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Facts, Myths, and Misnomers about the M1917 Rifle
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![U.S. Rifle M1917 [Sgt. York's WW1 Medal of Honor Story ] to 500yds: Practical Accuracy](/img/1.gif)
"SGT Doe mowed a bunch of krauts down with his M1 Singer."
- WWII veteran, never
Nope but he might have with a M1911 Singer (in WW2).
"Hand me that M1917" 'Uhhh, which one? The revolver, the rifle, the machine gun or the BAR?'
Or the Trench Knife, or the Helmet, or the dismounted cartridge belt.
While the BAR was manufactured in 1917 it was always designated the M1918, I do agree with your points though
Schaz42 That was because the US government had M1916, M1917, M1918, M1919, M1920 and M1921 Machine Guns...All developed during WW1...
@@MikeB128 Can the model 1917 American rifle still be found in pawn shops I seen I Remington model 1917 rifle in a local pawn shop it was not there even a week before being sold.
Plus why are they so expensive the one I seen sold for a grand!
@@tyleringle268I just bought one at my local gun store. They said it hadn’t been there for more than 3 days before I picked it up and they didn’t expect it to stay on the rack long
I have two M1917 rifles, both manufactured by Eddystone. One is in it's original military configuration and I paid $150 for it in the late nineties. The other was sporterized by my great uncle in the fifties, and I inherited and restocked that with a Boyd's stock last year. Too much of it was gone to bring back. I have used both successfully for whitetail hunting here in Wisconsin. It's my favorite bolt action rifle. Southern Ohio Guns imported a bunch of M1917 bayonets about twenty years ago, and I regret only buying one. I think I paid about twenty bucks for it. Looking at today's prices I should have bought a barrel of them.
That's about when I got mine. $150 here too. Great shooter. Eddystone.
Here's an extra bit of confusion for ya, Ireland picked up a bunch of these in ww2 to arm reserve units and it was called the Springfield rifle to differentiate it from the Lee Enfields.
The M1917 was definitely an Enfield. The action was designed by Enfield, before WW1. Not to be confused with the LEE Enfield which is often erroneously called an “Enfield”, when it is, in fact, a Lee action. The P-17 misnomer comes from British and Canadian use during WW2, it was often referred to as the P-17 in official documents of the time. The Canadian Pacific Coast Militia Rangers (PCMR) usually called the rifle the “Eddystone” or “Springfield”. RCAF vets always seemed to call them “P-17’s”. The M-1917 was well liked in the PCMR, even though it was considered too heavy. I have always preferred the Winchester, as well.
I went to an estate sale to buy an M1 Garand, it turned out to be above my budget so I passed. They also had an M1917 that I had never heard of, but at $600 it was in my budget so I took a chance. Turns out it’s a Winchester, all original, made 2/18. After doing some research and watching a few videos, I’m glad I picked it up.
That's awesome!
"Enfield" specifically referred to the style of rifling in the Lee Enfield series. The British military tradition was to name their service rifle after the action, and the style of rifling. Hence the Martini Henry, Lee Metford, and of course the Lee Enfield. James Paris Lee developed the action, and the rifling (first used in the Pattern 1853 Enfield Rifled Musket) was developed at the Enfield Armoury. So I suppose the P14 could have been called the Mauser Enfield, because the action is basically a cock on close Mauser action, and (as far as I know) they used Enfield style rifling. But given the geopolitical situation, they weren't likely going to name anything after the Mauser brothers. So P14 it was! Lol. But as you say, the American version was never called the P17.
For those who are interested in the plus one that Mike is speaking of. All you have to do is load the magazine to capacity, take another round, and push it down on top of the magazine stack as you slowly push the bolt forward. It takes some finesse, but the end result, if done correctly, is that rim of the cartridge will slip underneath the extractor claw and then be chambered giving you a capacity of 6+1.
I will admit I have always called this the 1917 Enfield.
Got a 1918 dated Winchester M1917 myself, took a deer at over 300 yards with it about two years ago. Easily my favorite (in terms of use/reliability) WWI rifle
As soon as my son shoots a deer we will have four generations that have hunted with this particular M1917 rifle passed down to us by our grandfather.
For a good while i did call these Eddystones due to thats the only one I had seen. I saw a sporterized one at a gunshop and wanted to find a better one. Out looking one day guy tells me "I don't have an Eddystone but I'll sell you my Remington 1917 for 400" "SOLD!"
Mine is marked Eddystone and was produced in June 1918 by the serial number. I'm a member of the Sons of the American Legion and our post has seven M1917s they use for funerals as well as seven M1 Garands
Thanks for the vid! A M1917 is what I’m looking to add to my collection next. Great rifles!
I sure love my M1917, mine is an Eddystone manufactured 1917 dated. Really great shooter!
It's possible that they're known as 1917 Eddystones because Eddystone made most of them, as in well over 2/3 of the production run. Mine is an Eddystone dated 11/1918 based on its serial number.
Yeah, but that's again like calling an M1 Carbine an "M1 Inland". Not correct.
I recently acquired one that was nickeled for use in funerals, parades, and ceremonies. I’m unsure how many had that happen to them. I can’t find much info in regards to it.
I Really like your Videos. They have a lot of good information on the Rifle you are showing. And this one is a good example of you can make one with an out Cussing . Thanks
If my cussing bothers you, the internet probably isn't for you.
I used to have one. Miss it. Great bolt action rifle
Mike thanks for talking about it some i just brought one home but bubba had gotten his hands on it but I'm a sucker for the on close actions of the Enfield patterns. Mine was a Remington but here's the kicker it's been sported with an expensive looking bull barrel in 243 win? Ever heard of anything like that it's got this flip up sight hood a slight taper near the muzzle. Btw in a morbid way the m1 could be referred to as an international harvester that describes its purpose in a sense.
I am of the view too it was best bolt action of WW1 and a pity it was not taken to another stage after the War. ie lightened, handier with a shorter barrel and 10 rd detachable mag. It had the best Mauser feature, the extractor but not the awkward safety catch and cock on opening. I think all us gun nuts dream up a perfect soldiers bolt action rifle. Mine is all the above in 7 x 57 giving a shorter lighter action or even better the 7mm08. Cheers.
Have a sporter made off of a surplus action with a .25-06 barrel. Great rifle especially since the price of surplus rifles has gone up.
One tough gun. Blew my first Eddystone to scrap using some reloads when Iwas young and dumb, have a Winchester now (sporterized) that I hunt with. Iron sights, love it .it and I are both old now ( and hopefully wiser) .
have you ever seen a field repair box for one? i just got one.
Hey mike, I know you say that most marine corps units used the 1903 but to your knowledge were any 1917 Rifles used by USMC during WWI? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a picture of marines with 1917’s. Thanks in advance
Hi Mike, my great grandfather was part of the 1st division of the AEF, the 26th infantry regiment. I was wondering how you know or where you got the information about which rifle they were equipped with? I'm doing a little research of my own, digging through the national archives records of issued equipment, but my search thus far has found only requests for more ammunition for the Chauchat, which I understand they were using at the time as their machine gun. How did you find the info on the rifle? Thanks!!
Eh, probably carried an M1903. Depends on when he got in, and what the unit had, but if he went over there with them initially, he probably had an M1903.
@@MikeB128 thank you very much sir. I just think it would be really neat to own the rifle he carried with him over there. He went over with them initially and was wounded in action March 1918. Really appreciate your channel.
I just bought a us model of 1917 made by Remington, I got it for about $600. The stock is beaten up and the bluing is mostly gone, so I plan on re-bluing the metal and restoring the stock to it's original configuration.
Great video. I've always heard the rifle called a 1917 Enfield but it's good to know it's proper name.
I know this is an older video but my local gun store has one priced at $1000. Would that be reasonable in today's market?
I don't tell people what they should pay for something. If it's worth it to you, then that's "reasonable".
Hello I am actually from Eddystone that created the rifle in PA
Well, they manufactured it, didn't create it :)
Eddystone was a division of Remington
Mike, you've been doing too much Vietnam videos, have a break, have an M1917.
My Winchester made Model of 1917 has a slightly higher serial number than yours, I also have an original sling, bayonet and scabbard. Very accurate rifles. My grandfather was issued a 1903 when he went over to France, but because he was a caisson driver, they took it away and gave him a Model of 1917...which, with the bayonet on it, was as tall as he was. My other Model of 1917 is an Eddystone that I inherited, it had already been sporterized. Very nice rifle, but heavy compared to Remington 700s and Winchester 700s in 30-06.
eddystone produced almost 3 times the amount of m1917's over winnchester and remington is probably why folks call them the eddystone
Lol, okay, where's your documentation for that statement? Or are you just going to be another who spews "facts"?
@@MikeB128 Well, they're very wrong about the overall numbers but kinda right in general sentiment. A more accurate statement would be "Eddystone produced more M1917s than Remington and Winchester combined". Out of the 2,193,429 total manufactured 1,181,908 were Eddystones, or about 54% all M1917s made.
Yeahhhhhhhhhhh my favorite
I just got a Winchester M1917
Same here, sweet rifle
How much are they going for?
The reason the M1917 was able to hold one more cartridge in the magazine is because the US 30 cal cartridge is rimless while the British .303 is rimmed. Rimless cartridges take less space when stacked than rimmed. Also the risk of Rimrock is eliminated with rimless cartridges.
Rimlock is nowhere near the problem child as most American shooters make it out to be
Shot mine today
Wikipedia suggests this rifle served our country in the Banana Wars. Is that accurate? I thought this rifle was put in storage or sold off after The Great War.
They were used until 1953. It’s common to see photos of POW camps or Internment camp guards carrying the 1917 during WWII
U.S. rifle caliber.30 model of 1917.
Yeah, is that not what I said??
I think the 1903 looks better
Yes, but if I’m fighting give me 7 rds vs 5, and I bash doors, or heads with a 1917. Tough gun, maybe not pretty but battle ready. Plus it proved to be more accurate than the ‘ 03. Sgt York approved.
@@kennethhamby9811 Jesus Christ. You realize there were more people there than York right? He was the posterchild, while the others got lost to history.
guns are scary, and don't ask me to cover yer ass, when you need one.
Buy yer own gun.