I think hornbys version is very good!! do agree rails of Sheffield has a little more detail but for me it comes down to Price!!locos are getting ridiculous Price wise at the moment!!!so for me the market belongs to hornby who are trying there best to be where they should be and yes I did watch james May excellent program!!!!
£110 is very respectable. Its two hours of a car mechanic's time. There's a lot of manual labour involved. I'm impressed by both. The Hornby one is a little more railroady but cheaper. You pays your money and makes your choice.
Thanks for the review. I have three Hornby Terriers & all have problems with the wipers. After a couple of hours of running the wipers are pushed back from the wheel & need to be bent back to make contact. I don't know if the wipers are too thin or the wrong material, but either way, it's a lot of maintenance & I'm seriously thinking of putting them in the showcase & running the superceded models on the layout.
I noticed the Rails version has a much richer and clearer paint/print finish on it and being able to see the motion and oiling points on the conrods do make it look good. I guess it all comes down to the persons budget and I do wonder if it will be worth waiting a while to see if prices drop due to lack of demand for either of the models.
I think there is a market for both. The Rails version is more detailed, but not everyone will be able to afford the pricier Rails version. I will be buying the Hornby version. I may also buy the Rails version, but because of the price and amount of detail I will be handling it with a lot more care than the Hornby one.
Yellow interior? It gives a new meaning to pristine. Surely the inside of the cab is not going to look like that at all. I could understand if they used a "dirtier" colour. A Yellow Cab floor. That would certainly get painted dirty black/grey regardless of whether the rest was left pristine.
I think I will be getting Hornby one because the rails motor on terriers might be bit dodgy. As well the text on Hornby terrier it is right I believe but that’s just me
Hi - Thank you for the review and I agree that the ROS model seems to be more detailed. It was a shame the ROS one didn't have a motor so you could compare how they run . I will be going for the Hornby model as I am looking to start a new layout and having no stock to start with the difference in price means be able to buy some wagons or coaches. I hope that the new manufacturers such as ROS & Hattons will take the oppotunity to bring out models that Hornby , Bachmann dont to give more choice in the ready to run market.
Rails have nailed it well. Hope they don't forget to add on the brake hoses on the front & rear of the loco. Where as the Hornby's brake rod looks gruby, plasticky (hence fragile) apart from the overall details. Worth the price difference.
I think that you must be right. The models are at different price points, of course, and the Hornby model is not at all bad, but the Rails model does seem to be noticeably finer.
Seems to be a big panic from Rails trying to push thier terrier out there to all the train nuts. At least we did not have 30+ minutes talking about the box. both have thier plusses and Minuses. I'd Plum for a sound ready one TBH and Hornby dont currently off that so only one option but I will wait till I hear this babies 1st. That Glazing, 10 minutes with a Blade and file and you'll have the hornby one sorted.
I don't think people realise the previous Hornby terrier was a Dapol designed model which ended up in the Hornby range after they purchased the moulds from Dapol in the 1990s. Also Dapol have produced the terrier in O gauge and N gauge for years so it's no wonder its a better model.
Thanks for the review jenny, hopefully there is a market for both manufacturers models in the end you get what you pay for, Rails of Sheffield would have invested a lot of money on their version I'm sure. By the same token Hornby's revamped version may help with their financial problems by getting them to market ahead of Rails version. all the best Stewart
You cant claim a particular class if loco as your own. Its just that its a well known hornby model. Originally dapols model anyway. Rails commissioned it because they felt it was time for am upgrade and as dapol had all the research etc from the o gauge model it was a no-brainer
do you need all this cab detail, it only puts the price up.we didn't have it on our Triang locos but we still loved them, the cab detail on my jinty is the x04 magnet
These are outwith my era and normal interest area, but whilst I think the Hornby model is OK in isolation, the Rails/Dapol one is just another level. The Hornby one still has the feel of an older model, lacking the refinement of the other and just looks a wee bit too toyish for me. If I were to buy one, it'd be the Rails one for sure. It's the super detail scale loco, not a toy.
Hornbys one is actually better, the price is inexpensive whilst rail's charge an overly pricey amount of money just for the sound version, 239 could get you a Hornby Hush Hush and a Centenary Smokey Joe (If you squeeze in that one pound.)
Thanks for the review and comparison. Might need to make room for one of the Rails/Dapol terriers. Certainly looks like it will be worth the extra money.
lets see how the motor runs on the rails one. I know hattons had running problems with there p class on the first few batches . I noticed that these newer model producers like ,djmodels etc are using coreless motors and these have had there issues. and last but not least were all getting a bit older and can our eyes really tell at normal running distances weather the windows are properly detailed . each to there own . I think I would go for Hornby .
Not had an issue with my p classes personally. Its a dapol produced model for rails and their motors are very good. Look at one of their 00 B4's running to see what I mean.
I know what you mean ,but I have heard and seen p class and the dj models 14xx with issues not all but some . I know dj models have put a lot of detail in there running guide for the locos re the coreless motors. I have the 14xx , it didn't run too great from the box but then it had probably been in hattons stock room for a couple of years so I contacted dj models .he confirmed this and after an hours running in and lube job and lots of layout running it now works fine . I suppose its down to cot as well . I noticed some folk are mentioning the cost of mode; railways and for those on a buget I suppose the Hornby terrier fares better . I still run an old dapol lol I have heavily weathered .looks great and runs a treat . I model many scales and eras and style and tend to run dc on my main layout so its no issue .great hobby at any rate .cheers for the comment .
I am afraid the Rails one looks better. No disrespect to Hornby as I wish to carry on in their ventures, as James showed in his excellent series. Let's hope they move back to Margate.
They have already that was a small bit ago, May was even at the ceremony in the x-factory now loco storage facility which currently houses Bittern + 2 tender for example.
I'm unlikely to buy either but I would like to mention that it seems to me that the manufacturers and to some extent the retailers are making more and more use of RUclipsrs to promote their products. This is distinct from the reviews of items actually purchased by a specific RUclipsr. I can only hope that this trend doesn't influence a review.
I never understand why manufacturers seem to bring the same models to market at the same time. in this case Dapol wins so suspect this will kill most of the Hornby market potential.
Hi Jennifer it's nice to see you get the recognition you deserve along with the big RUclipsrs in this hobby I personally are staying with the Hornby one as much as it's missing a few bits it's cheaper and dapol have issues with their stock in the past Keep safe arp
Everyone to their own opinion but I found the review had a certain amount of bias in favour of the Rails model. Reviewer appeared to be looking for faults in the Hornby model while apparently had no critically negative analysis of the Rails model. So we can take it that the Rails model is faultless and it's back to the drawing board for Hornby!
D A Baines there is room in the market for both. The Rails model feels like a greater attention to detail has occurred but you pay extra for that. Not unlike Bachmann Vs Hornby 08s.
I admit to thinking it would be biased at first as it was Rails who provided the models for review. However, it is apparent from the video the Rails version is a finer model. Having said that I would go for Hornby due to price . As has been said, there is a market for both each with there own merits.
I hope these two great companies don’t produce the same loco again as they will both risk reducing their own profits, with market saturation of the same loco. I know it’s been done before with the the B1 H+B also the standard 4. Of all the pre-grouping locos they could have chosen they go for one that’s been done before (I know this is a completely new tooling for both this time) show some imagination like when Bachman did the C class nobody saw that coming, and I doubt there will be a duplication. Please produce some coaching stock like the birdcages pre group modellers are crying out for rolling stock.
Rails, don't deserve the praise, the saltiness they are showing on their own website, means that regardless of detail, or running quality, they've lost a potential customer just because of that, because frankly, i don't want to support the BS about the ROS ones being "pedigree" because they are salty about hornby getting there first, i'd be the same if hornby did it, i just don't feel right backing someone who thinks something was done out of spite, its just not on
flyingtardis It’s a cheeky punchline , it made me giggle if anything. I think Hornby’s more in the wrong by viciously announcing there’s and getting it to market to over throw Dapols Terrier.There’ve done similar in the past. Either way both our opinions aren’t that valid because it’s a competitive market in a competitive business.
@@harryunderhill5604 it wasn't vicious at all, its one of hornby's staples, and its clear in the james may documentary that they weren't aware of the ROS one until the show with the banner issues, plus hornby needs the sales to stay afloat, so really, hornby pushing it forward, wasn't vicious, it was a fight to stay alive. now saying your own model of a terrier is a "pedigree" above said "we're trying to survive" model, that is vicious in comparison, but its more a child saying "MY PRODUCT IS BETTER THAN YOURS!" and this is where my contention is, i'd have likely bought both manufacturer's models if not for that, consider those that pre-ordered the hornby one, they are basically being slapped in the face by rails for buying the hornby one, which then means hornby are losing out on potential sales because of said childish statements. frankly, if both companies are to succeed, rails needs to not be such a whingy crybaby because they didn't get the first apple juice, and hornby just needs to make more of its classic models available, i mean theyv'e modernised the lima 42 so why nt do the tri-ang 101 multiple unit if it still exists
flyingtardis Well the fact they weren’t aware of Dapols terrier goes under poor research which i think is the reason Hornby’s never sold as well in recent years. And yes Hornby needs sales to stay afloat but so do Dapol and every other company, in my eyes it more ‘We’re failing to stay afloat’ under ‘We’re trying make quality to those who want it’ which there’s nothing vicious about. Also Rails aren’t being the crybaby since getting the first apple juice is very important in this scenario, if every one already has the Hornby terrier not many people are going to buy a Rails one and then who’s sails need to stay afloat. The whole of your comment seems to pass off business as childish which is subjectively a statement stupid. Hornby won’t remake versions of there classic models because there to bitter to care. Rails are telling Hornby buyers that there getting second best which is your choice to make wisely, different people - different model. At the end of the day it’s weird and wonderful business.
@@harryunderhill5604 Rails is first and foremost, a shop, the model production (just like hattons) is a side project, and besides, its not like either of them are at risk of going under any time soon, Dapol aren't in need of anything either because they've got a whole bunch of things that brings money in for them, hornby is the only one really, out of the three affected by the tri-company terrier problem, that needs to benefit from its model taking off, besides its not dapol i have an issue with, its just ROS having this iron rod up themselves thinking that they have something that is objectively better, when in actual fact, dapol actually have a far less than stellar OO steam engine quality control problem, the detail might be there, but honestly, they aren't all there as models, even some O Gauge 08 shunters have electrical issues with lights and to say that my feelings are "a statement stupid" is a little OTT when you consider the james may documentary, the way rails went off on one, and the petty labelling above hornby's terriers, it is childish, i'd forgive regular advertising but the fact its above the hornby terrier's only, it certainly is a childish move
@@flyingtardisOfficial Rails announced it before the show. In fact Hornby pushed their one the moment Rails made the original announcement some months before hand.
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I think hornbys version is very good!! do agree rails of Sheffield has a little more detail but for me it comes down to Price!!locos are getting ridiculous Price wise at the moment!!!so for me the market belongs to hornby who are trying there best to be where they should be and yes I did watch james May excellent program!!!!
Jason Penwell I regard it as a little like the comparison between the Hornby and Bachmann 08s.
£110 is very respectable. Its two hours of a car mechanic's time. There's a lot of manual labour involved. I'm impressed by both. The Hornby one is a little more railroady but cheaper. You pays your money and makes your choice.
Thanks for the review. I have three Hornby Terriers & all have problems with the wipers. After a couple of hours of running the wipers are pushed back from the wheel & need to be bent back to make contact. I don't know if the wipers are too thin or the wrong material, but either way, it's a lot of maintenance & I'm seriously thinking of putting them in the showcase & running the superceded models on the layout.
I noticed the Rails version has a much richer and clearer paint/print finish on it and being able to see the motion and oiling points on the conrods do make it look good. I guess it all comes down to the persons budget and I do wonder if it will be worth waiting a while to see if prices drop due to lack of demand for either of the models.
I think there is a market for both. The Rails version is more detailed, but not everyone will be able to afford the pricier Rails version. I will be buying the Hornby version. I may also buy the Rails version, but because of the price and amount of detail I will be handling it with a lot more care than the Hornby one.
Charles Curtis totally agree.
Yellow interior? It gives a new meaning to pristine. Surely the inside of the cab is not going to look like that at all. I could understand if they used a "dirtier" colour. A Yellow Cab floor. That would certainly get painted dirty black/grey regardless of whether the rest was left pristine.
I think I will be getting Hornby one because the rails motor on terriers might be bit dodgy. As well the text on Hornby terrier it is right I believe but that’s just me
At least they are different locos! One with its lbsc condensing gear and Bodiam as rebuilt with bits from Rolvenden without.
HORNBY for me!
Excellent review Jennifer - I like the paint job on the Rails version as well - and the detail is amazing! Great video as always!
Hi - Thank you for the review and I agree that the ROS model seems to be more detailed. It was a shame the ROS one didn't have a motor so you could compare how they run . I will be going for the Hornby model as I am looking to start a new layout and having no stock to start with the difference in price means be able to buy some wagons or coaches. I hope that the new manufacturers such as ROS & Hattons will take the oppotunity to bring out models that Hornby , Bachmann dont to give more choice in the ready to run market.
Factory fitted sound wins my vote, I'll be running mine as an Australian N67 version 👌
I think a person whose modelling the former kesr would buy BOTH!!!! They're both kesr after all!!!!!!
Rails have nailed it well. Hope they don't forget to add on the brake hoses on the front & rear of the loco. Where as the Hornby's brake rod looks gruby, plasticky (hence fragile) apart from the overall details. Worth the price difference.
The rails version is very impressive.
Lennon6412 I agree!
Coming back here after the Dapol/RoS ones were released and turned out to be a quality control nightmare
Don't like the join in the back of the roof of the Hattons one where the rear of the cab is, but the cab detail is impressive.
I think that you must be right. The models are at different price points, of course, and the Hornby model is not at all bad, but the Rails model does seem to be noticeably finer.
James Petts I totally agree.
Seems to be a big panic from Rails trying to push thier terrier out there to all the train nuts. At least we did not have 30+ minutes talking about the box. both have thier plusses and Minuses. I'd Plum for a sound ready one TBH and Hornby dont currently off that so only one option but I will wait till I hear this babies 1st. That Glazing, 10 minutes with a Blade and file and you'll have the hornby one sorted.
I don't think people realise the previous Hornby terrier was a Dapol designed model which ended up in the Hornby range after they purchased the moulds from Dapol in the 1990s.
Also Dapol have produced the terrier in O gauge and N gauge for years so it's no wonder its a better model.
i have to agree the rails dapol model is superior,the buffers on the hornby model look like they ve been stuck on as an afterthought,
Thanks for the review jenny, hopefully there is a market for both manufacturers models in the end you get what you pay for, Rails of Sheffield would have invested a lot of money on their version I'm sure. By the same token Hornby's revamped version may help with their financial problems by getting them to market ahead of Rails version.
all the best
Stewart
Hollpolls Sunshine Coast Model Railway you’re welcome. I think there is room for both on the market.
As it said on the program rails are the retailer not the producer
It's hornbys product and they basically stole it
You cant claim a particular class if loco as your own. Its just that its a well known hornby model. Originally dapols model anyway. Rails commissioned it because they felt it was time for am upgrade and as dapol had all the research etc from the o gauge model it was a no-brainer
If you say that then Hatton's stole the 66 from Bachmann who stole it from Hornby/Lima
Hattons were bringing new things to the market but I think they should have left the 66 alone
do you need all this cab detail, it only puts the price up.we didn't have it on our Triang locos but we still loved them, the cab detail on my jinty is the x04 magnet
These are outwith my era and normal interest area, but whilst I think the Hornby model is OK in isolation, the Rails/Dapol one is just another level. The Hornby one still has the feel of an older model, lacking the refinement of the other and just looks a wee bit too toyish for me. If I were to buy one, it'd be the Rails one for sure. It's the super detail scale loco, not a toy.
Strathpeffer Junction yes, the Rails one feels like a lot more attention to fine detail has gone on.
Hornbys one is actually better, the price is inexpensive whilst rail's charge an overly pricey amount of money just for the sound version, 239 could get you a Hornby Hush Hush and a Centenary Smokey Joe (If you squeeze in that one pound.)
Thanks for the review and comparison. Might need to make room for one of the Rails/Dapol terriers. Certainly looks like it will be worth the extra money.
lets see how the motor runs on the rails one. I know hattons had running problems with there p class on the first few batches . I noticed that these newer model producers like ,djmodels etc are using coreless motors and these have had there issues. and last but not least were all getting a bit older and can our eyes really tell at normal running distances weather the windows are properly detailed . each to there own . I think I would go for Hornby .
Not had an issue with my p classes personally. Its a dapol produced model for rails and their motors are very good. Look at one of their 00 B4's running to see what I mean.
I know what you mean ,but I have heard and seen p class and the dj models 14xx with issues not all but some . I know dj models have put a lot of detail in there running guide for the locos re the coreless motors. I have the 14xx , it didn't run too great from the box but then it had probably been in hattons stock room for a couple of years so I contacted dj models .he confirmed this and after an hours running in and lube job and lots of layout running it now works fine . I suppose its down to cot as well . I noticed some folk are mentioning the cost of mode; railways and for those on a buget I suppose the Hornby terrier fares better . I still run an old dapol lol I have heavily weathered .looks great and runs a treat . I model many scales and eras and style and tend to run dc on my main layout so its no issue .great hobby at any rate .cheers for the comment .
I am afraid the Rails one looks better. No disrespect to Hornby as I wish to carry on in their ventures, as James showed in his excellent series. Let's hope they move back to Margate.
Nigel Carter Hornby havedefinitely got their act together. On its own their Terrier is a very good model, but the Rails one is definitely better.
They have already that was a small bit ago, May was even at the ceremony in the x-factory now loco storage facility which currently houses Bittern + 2 tender for example.
The thing is going to be a quality, mechanism and serviceability mater.
I'm unlikely to buy either but I would like to mention that it seems to me that the manufacturers and to some extent the retailers are making more and more use of RUclipsrs to promote their products. This is distinct from the reviews of items actually purchased by a specific RUclipsr. I can only hope that this trend doesn't influence a review.
both pretty great in their own way,nice one jenny.jpj
John Johnson thanks!
Glad I waited, I'll pay my extra 30 for the Dapol version.
Personally I think rails/dapol it's the better of the two.
I never understand why manufacturers seem to bring the same models to market at the same time. in this case Dapol wins so suspect this will kill most of the Hornby market potential.
Hornby for me
Midland Compound 1000 it is better in detail, but at a price. Rather like the difference between Bachmann and Hornby 08s.
Hi Jennifer
it's nice to see you get the recognition you deserve along with the big RUclipsrs in this hobby
I personally are staying with the Hornby one as much as it's missing a few bits it's cheaper and dapol have issues with their stock in the past
Keep safe arp
Adi Pullen thanks!
It was a good day out as I went on Sunday
Everyone to their own opinion but I found the review had a certain amount of bias in favour of the Rails model. Reviewer appeared to be looking for faults in the Hornby model while apparently had no critically negative analysis of the Rails model. So we can take it that the Rails model is faultless and it's back to the drawing board for Hornby!
D A Baines there is room in the market for both. The Rails model feels like a greater attention to detail has occurred but you pay extra for that. Not unlike Bachmann Vs Hornby 08s.
I admit to thinking it would be biased at first as it was Rails who provided the models for review. However, it is apparent from the video the Rails version is a finer model. Having said that I would go for Hornby due to price . As has been said, there is a market for both each with there own merits.
Hornby for me, cheaper and they have done the running number I want.
Rails of Sheffield - hands down'
You must've seen the BBC 4 program
The Young Rail Enthusiast I was shown the second episode where I was staying overnight for the show.
I hope these two great companies don’t produce the same loco again as they will both risk reducing their own profits, with market saturation of the same loco. I know it’s been done before with the the B1 H+B also the standard 4. Of all the pre-grouping locos they could have chosen they go for one that’s been done before (I know this is a completely new tooling for both this time) show some imagination like when Bachman did the C class nobody saw that coming, and I doubt there will be a duplication. Please produce some coaching stock like the birdcages pre group modellers are crying out for rolling stock.
I asked Bachmann about rolling stock for pre grouping models. Hopefully more will come as the secr coaches have sold very well in pre 1923 livery.
Running them side by side will determine the real value especially at slow speed. Some release of the Hornby has pick up problems. Be aware !
Rails, don't deserve the praise, the saltiness they are showing on their own website, means that regardless of detail, or running quality, they've lost a potential customer just because of that, because frankly, i don't want to support the BS about the ROS ones being "pedigree" because they are salty about hornby getting there first, i'd be the same if hornby did it, i just don't feel right backing someone who thinks something was done out of spite, its just not on
flyingtardis It’s a cheeky punchline , it made me giggle if anything. I think Hornby’s more in the wrong by viciously announcing there’s and getting it to market to over throw Dapols Terrier.There’ve done similar in the past. Either way both our opinions aren’t that valid because it’s a competitive market in a competitive business.
@@harryunderhill5604 it wasn't vicious at all, its one of hornby's staples, and its clear in the james may documentary that they weren't aware of the ROS one until the show with the banner issues, plus hornby needs the sales to stay afloat, so really, hornby pushing it forward, wasn't vicious, it was a fight to stay alive. now saying your own model of a terrier is a "pedigree" above said "we're trying to survive" model, that is vicious in comparison, but its more a child saying "MY PRODUCT IS BETTER THAN YOURS!" and this is where my contention is, i'd have likely bought both manufacturer's models if not for that, consider those that pre-ordered the hornby one, they are basically being slapped in the face by rails for buying the hornby one, which then means hornby are losing out on potential sales because of said childish statements.
frankly, if both companies are to succeed, rails needs to not be such a whingy crybaby because they didn't get the first apple juice, and hornby just needs to make more of its classic models available, i mean theyv'e modernised the lima 42 so why nt do the tri-ang 101 multiple unit if it still exists
flyingtardis Well the fact they weren’t aware of Dapols terrier goes under poor research which i think is the reason Hornby’s never sold as well in recent years. And yes Hornby needs sales to stay afloat but so do Dapol and every other company, in my eyes it more ‘We’re failing to stay afloat’ under ‘We’re trying make quality to those who want it’ which there’s nothing vicious about. Also Rails aren’t being the crybaby since getting the first apple juice is very important in this scenario, if every one already has the Hornby terrier not many people are going to buy a Rails one and then who’s sails need to stay afloat. The whole of your comment seems to pass off business as childish which is subjectively a statement stupid. Hornby won’t remake versions of there classic models because there to bitter to care. Rails are telling Hornby buyers that there getting second best which is your choice to make wisely, different people - different model. At the end of the day it’s weird and wonderful business.
@@harryunderhill5604 Rails is first and foremost, a shop, the model production (just like hattons) is a side project, and besides, its not like either of them are at risk of going under any time soon, Dapol aren't in need of anything either because they've got a whole bunch of things that brings money in for them, hornby is the only one really, out of the three affected by the tri-company terrier problem, that needs to benefit from its model taking off, besides its not dapol i have an issue with, its just ROS having this iron rod up themselves thinking that they have something that is objectively better, when in actual fact, dapol actually have a far less than stellar OO steam engine quality control problem, the detail might be there, but honestly, they aren't all there as models, even some O Gauge 08 shunters have electrical issues with lights
and to say that my feelings are "a statement stupid" is a little OTT when you consider the james may documentary, the way rails went off on one, and the petty labelling above hornby's terriers, it is childish, i'd forgive regular advertising but the fact its above the hornby terrier's only, it certainly is a childish move
@@flyingtardisOfficial Rails announced it before the show. In fact Hornby pushed their one the moment Rails made the original announcement some months before hand.