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FOUR WHISKIES I WILL NEVER BUY AGAIN!
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- Опубликовано: 10 авг 2024
- Today I want to share with you four whiskies which I have decided never to buy again!
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00:00 INTRO
01:21 THE RULES
04:35 WHISKY #1
08:59 WHISKY #2 & #3
13:52 YUP, YOU GUESSED IT
WHISKEY SINGLE MALT SCOTCH WHISKY MACALLAN BOURBON IRISH RYE BLENDED TOP WHISKIES
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Recently found a Macallan 12 in a dusty shop which was bottled back in 2012. Comparing it to their recent 12 and 18 it absolutely crushed both of them which simply tells you how deep they fell sadly.
The old stuff was fire!
Those old 12's were very good and the same is true of the 18's. They used to be superb even when bottled at 43%. The last great 18 year distillation was 1995 - 2013 bottling. My good pals over on Peat Lova, who were great Macallan fans back in the day, did a fine review commenting about the change. Macallan don't colour so it was immediately obvious, because of the colour, that the casks (post 1995) weren't as good and the whisky inferior. I still have a 1994 distillation but the price has increased so wildly I'm nervous about ever opening it and would sell it. I've never flipped in my life but the price is so bonkers (north of £1,000) that I would consider offers.
Very true, Macallan is very overrated malt whisky. High prices, low quality. It's just industrial whisky making, that's what they do.
I'd have to agree
They make it on a massive industrial scale at mediocre quality then charge artisan prices as if it’s rare and amazing. Can’t stand their ethos. I’d be interested to do the tour though to see the contrast between that and normal sized distilleries.
Its grand whisky, its universally pleasant, but it's very poor value
@@edfriday7709 I've done the tour and the distillery is amazing, unmatched hospitality and the tasting we had was out of this world. I literally had the best day ever at Macallan.
@@MaltActivist Macallan has the best visitor experience, because its all about the marketing. Its old liquid used to be good, sherry casks top quality. But recent years, quality is really declining.
I bought a bottle of Macallan 25 in 2000 for $387. I opened it 16 years later for my 20th wedding anniversary. It was fabulous. I haven't bought another Macallan bottle since (I have received some as gifts). I agree 100% with your list and would add Highland Park to it. They released so many young NAS bottles that didn't live up to their marketing. I will make one exception for Dalmore as I really enjoy the Cigar Malt.
I echo your list my man, absolutely! I just shot a video myself about 5 whiskies I wouldn't buy again but I went a more specific way as in certain expressions but I like your thinking as I completely agree with everything you said. There are soooo many whiskies out there with new players coming in strong with craft presentation whilst the old guard rest on their laurels. Times are changing and people will, one day, leave the mediocre for the better. Till then, let us enjoy the good ones :) Cheers my dude!
Well said sir. I think the old guard needs to see the signs and step up their game or, like you said, they will be left behind in the proverbial dust.
Great list. The only Macallans I will buy are IBs. Those can be splendid!
They definitely can be!
I've been binge watching your videos bro. Love the content. Cheers.
That's the best compliment I can get! Thank you!
G&M Speymalt is pretty good.
It was a thoughtful list. Not to convince you otherwise, but I got my hands on a Scott's Selection 1980 Glenrothes 25yrs old. I've only dipped into it once so far, so the jury is still out, but in a phrase: old scool industrial. I hope when I go back to it, I'll remain just as enamored.
There's definitely some good juice floating around in IBs that's for sure
I love Jura. I have only had their 10, 12, and Journey expressions though. What I like is everyone’s tastes are different and they change. It might be the case that over time I will be where you are now with Jura. Great video.
Hey Jeff! Don't take me too seriously. Try all the Juras you can get your hands on.
@@MaltActivist I am trying to :-). Thank you for your show. It have made me aware of many whiskeys I have been unaware of. Cheers!
Signatory have recently released some 17 yo cask strength Macallans. Worth a look as they retail at around £135.
Oooh what website can you find them on?
Whiskey barrel
Wow really? I'd love to know where.
Just bought one from House of Malt for £145. Keeping it for hogmanay. Just finished a Macallan Rare Cask 2022 and it was dynamite. 12 year Sherry Oak in my opinion is also worth the money. For me, any thing that isn't 100% sherry cask isn't a proper Macallan and would touch it with a barge pole, never mind forking out £200 plus.
Agree with most of what you had to say. Macallan for the most part is much to expensive and the lack of proper percentage of alcohol and age is a factor. Also becoming way to expensive for most drinkers. I have tried several bottles over the past years and found them wanting
Story of my life brother
Totally Agree with your opinions ,
just given away a few remaining bits of my Mc Cal and dregs of Dalmore King Alex ( I know , big wasted cash ) but I’ve had em for years and I never reach for em ,I like that phrase , cos you reach for what ya like and I don’t like these and will never drink em .
Glenrothes and Jura had em and not to be had again , Simply ..not the best, by a very long way 🤣
Top channel , always entertaining
Cheers 👍🥃
Thank you Allan! Appreciate you stopping by.
Agree, but not with independent versions of all these whisky. Glenrothes from a good sherry casks is great and recently tasted a good Jura cask strength with a wine finish.
Yes, you're right! I think the independents are doing a far better job than the distilleries.
Really nice discussion over these Whiskies and pointing out some relevant points in the actual modern Whisky Industry. It seems obvious that marketing concerns and cask management are strongly focused and driven by many distilleries. On the other hand you can't argue about taste. Exactly that bottle of Macallan (Classic Cut 2021) is one of my favourite Whiskies. I can't explain but that notes and aromas of honey, candy floss, pastries, oak spiciness blow me away. I had several Macallans the last years and there were several very good Whiskies for example the Macallan 15 and Macallan No 6 and some independent bottlings. What I absolutely don't like is the Macallan 12 Sherry Oak with 40 % ABV. That's a joke. The whisky tastes watered down. The US version instead with 43 % ABV is much better. I hope Macallan will correct that soon.
I guess only time will tell
Great argumentation!
Thank you!
There is so many that deserve to be on this list. I would say glenlivet, glenmorangie, glenfiddich, benriach, glenglassaugh. These are only decent at the 15-18+ yr age, or Independent bottlings. But one would need to spend huge money. For entry range, would have spent the money on bruichladdich, glendronach, aultmore.
hmmmm maybe not all but there are some that do belong there
I have no need of Macallan anymore. I've discovered the beauty of AnCnoc. Magnificent whisky for significantly cheaper. Their 18 year-old is fantastic and I look forward to grabbing some of their peated expressions and their 24 year-old. I can't totally agree on Dalmore, however. The King Alexander III is truly worth the price and is something special.
AnCnoc is great overall. And, yes, of all the Dalmores King Alexander is quite nice but still not enough to convince me.
Good list, have considered Glenrothes, but nothing is really enticing me to pull the trigger, wouldn't really care it I didn't get a bottle if you know what I mean.
I have no interest at all in Jura or Dalmore for the same reasons you mention, and Macallan... well, any serious whisky enthusiast knows it's a shadow of its former self and one that (IMO) only suckers purchase, or flippers to sell to suckers who are holding on to pre 2000's (and earlier) Macallan's reputation.
Sadly everything you're saying, sir, is true....
could be my List accept some are missing😅,
like Tomintoul (because of low ABV, coloured, and most is matured in really low quality Casks),
like Nc'Nean (until they had time to mature for a min.of 10 Years and not tasting only sharp and spirity anymore),
like Tamnavulin (too average and rounded to have character) and
Ardbeg Special Releases (wayyyyy toooooo overpriced for the Quality and i dont want to pay only for Marketing).
Thanks for sharing your Thoughts and Opinion.
Greetings from Germany 😎🤘
I agree with your points!
Tomintoul can be lovely. Better than equivalent Glenlivets I’d say. I think it’s moving in the right direction. Tamnavulin is what it is. Good for the price. The G&M bottling shows how good the distillate is.
Hi T, good to see you back. You know, I'm glad you did this video. I'm far more interested in whisky discussions than straight out whisky reviews these days. I like this because it's not a rant (but I like them too) and a reasonable rationale. Grenrothes are definitely on my list. I haven't bought any of that stuff for years. Generic? Yes, they all taste like liquid caramel and the abv sucks.
Even before you got to the end of Glenrothes I was thinking of Dalmore and Jura. Dalmore is soooo Richard Patterson era whisky. Coloured to hide the crappy casks which make it taste younger than the age statement and, naturally, the crud abv. Just to make it even better is the sensationally bullshit price. Dalmore hasn't felt the need to change for years. It's so old fashioned it has a stag on the bottle because it comes from Scotland don't you know.
Jura is such a nothing offering. It's so boring and unambitious. Even their revamped line up a few years ago was a damp squib. You relaunch the brand and it has all the components we don't like - E150, chill-filtration, crap abv. I know some folk like this stuff but for me you might as well just throw your money down the toilet. Again, we're back in Patterson era whisky. It's a mindset from an era long gone.
Like you, I think Richard Patterson is a great whisky ambassador. His knowledge of whisky and the history of whiskies is superb. I have his really excellent book. The thing is, that world of whisky has moved on big time. In the last decade it's been blown away. Tumblers and whisky with a drop of water. Stags and kilts. And, most importantly, a complete shift in how consumers want their whisky and drive the production process rather than being fed Scottish clichés, E150, crap abv and chill-filtration. It's all very much based on whisky as a profit machine for the big owners but I don't see why I would spend my money on such a poor offering. It's not 1983.
The last could include quite a number of distilleries if I'm honest. Seriously, how crap is Cardhu? Macallan is a good choice though because that embodies so many issues we have with whisky. I notice that you don't have to buy any Macallan because your shelf looks fairly well stocked. I haven't bought one since the ED2. My sole surviving bottle is a 1994 18 which I know is excellent and worth more than £1,000 today. There's a tiny roadside bar near my pad in Spain that sells a glass of Macallan 12 and a good pour. That's my Macallan experience now. It's actually very good but far too expensive. My Macallan experience started in the 1980's. When I was a young man I would receive a bottle of Macallan 10 (patxarette) from sales reps and swig it out of the bottle. They are just an overpriced gimmick now I'm so sad to say. Macallan today is just a liquid marketing machine with no concern about price/quality. It's a money making gimmick and good luck to them. I'm not buying any more bottles.
One thing to consider is that all of these distilleries are really designed to provide juice for the even more profitable market of blended whisky. Food for thought.
Peace. WT
Hey WT ! Couldn't agree more.
Totally agree on ur choices here. I don’t feel any points are deserved for the marketing genius of Macallan bec those “ideas” are not only unnecessary if the liquid was special, but tends to actually substitute for quality.
Precisely my gripe!
I see you have back there the glenfiddich 15 distillery edition, very underrated bottle
Yup, definitely underrated
I pretty much stick to Macallan Classic Cut. Even when it's an underperform, it's still solid.
Are you going to the Feis Isle festival this year?
Unfortunately not this year - work commitments
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Fajnie, że jest polska sekcja.
Used to love the Macallan 10...from about 25 years ago... really nice woody taste.. just doesn't exist anymore... The old Macallan 15 Fine Oak had great balance and was juicy and tasty....the 12 is and was too light and the latest 15 triple cask is mediocre.
I'd have to agree!
TOTALLY agree about Glenrothes!!!!!!! Not horrific but soooooo very underwhelming.
Right? oh well....
I'm done with the distilleries you mention, but Macallan 15 double barrel is actually good and not insanely priced (comparatively). I'm also done with wine finishes and maturations. The coming Lagavulin 12 special release will come in a tequila maturation. Gross. I've never missed a Laga 12; I will this year.
Tequila??? Really??? Oh man...
Haha, all this time I thought it was a fake background. Those bottles are real! Any recommendations as to peated, heavy sherry whiskeys? Thanks!
I've actually done an entire video on that. Check it out : ruclips.net/video/U87_zFIJsaE/видео.html
Fewer and fewer Diageo bottkes. There price increases ard over the top, but ther are a few that they haven't hit yet. The Lagavulin 16 costs 50% more than the Offerman 11.
I have enough whisky to destroy my liver I and can be more conservative in my purchases.
You and me both buddy. You and me both.
Glenrothes=I mostly agree. Kind of. It's a hard game as there are so many actually bad tasting whiskies. Some Icelandic whisky comes to mind, the name escapes me. It was absolutely awful. But I agree most of the Glenrothes line up is kind of trying to please everyone, and are a bit average as you said. I have one Glenrothes whisky, "whisky makers cut" NAS which I liked so much I bought a second one. 48.8% so it has nice strength. and good pleasant profile of vanilla, chocolate and nuts. give that one a try if you haven't already. Think it was 60€ in my expensive country so you can probably get it cheaper. A good daily dram.
Jura Dalmore= Definitely agree. All kinds of marketing baloney but not so much substance.
Macallan=I can't disagree. Especially for the price/quality ratio has gotten quite poor. I had some older ones but I've drunk them all :D
I would add one more.
Auchentoschan=Heavily colored. So heavily that I'm imagining that I'm tasting the coloring. Flavor again very generic. In my admittedly limited experience.
I feel the same about Auchentoshan which I think is an acquired taste. Also very generic and artificial like you said.
The Icelandic whisky use sheep dung instead of peat for their "smokey" whiskies. So you would't be wrong to say it taste like shit.
@Customer Acquired taste I suppose 🥴
Tasted the Jura 21 on a cruise last week. It was pleasant, but I would not buy it. Saw several different expressions in LHR and Bucharest Duty Free, more than any other distillery.
They have good distribution
I still think the Macallan Classic Cut and the Ten’s are decent. Yeah they’re overpriced but that seems to be about everything these days. 15, 18 and special editions are VERY overpriced now, sadly 😩 It’s a shame cause even if todays bottling’s are barely a shadow of their former selfs, it still has that distinct Macallan profile that I like and can’t find anywhere else. But my buying of their products is far less then what it would be. I hope the industry as a whole changes their way and improves on all fronts. Appreciate your views definitely, cheers 🥃
I think a lot of quality has been compromised in order to a support volume. Which is sad.
Aberlour casg annamh scotch fav
Thats a good whisky!
I'm glad you recognise you are one of the snobby 0.1%! However, so are most of your audience and I don't want to pick a fight, so I'll just say I don't necessarily agree... It seems you are (mainly) talking about official bottlings from those distilleries, though - what do you think about independent bottlings (which often match more of your 'integrity' factors)?
Yeah I'm definitely talking about official bottlings. I quite like the thrill of finding good independent whiskies. But given the variety of choices I may still avoid these brands because of their legacy. Unless I manage to taste something and really like it.
You nailed it! Totally go along with Jura, Macallan & Dalmore though I like to try a dram once in a while from independent bottlers. Their standard range is boring, for the masses and with low ABV. Artificial coloring - boo. I stay away from Tullibardines & Ardmores. Loch Lomond us improving lately imho.
Loch Lomond is definitely improving. And for the others there are some worthwhile IBs to get your hands on.
SMWS releases of Ardmore are fantastic
Our local Indy bottler does amazing Indy bottlings of Ardmore. Nowt wrong with the distillate.
Loch Lomond is heading upwards at a pretty steep trajectory I think along with its stablemate Glen Scotia…
The better Juras are decent but the standard ones are drinkable but dull.
Dalmore is beyond redemption. But some of the distillery exclusives available at the Jura distillery have been excellent in the past.
Sound is incredible. Had it at a friend’s place, and I was hooked. Favorite nowadays is Jura 18, which is just delightful - and miles better than their less mature expressions.
Hi MA. Surprise surprise, Dalmore and Jura are on the list 😂😂. The malts whisky enthusiasts love to hate. Haven’t bought there expression’s in years. As always, an entertaining video, nice one. Slàinte .
Thank you David!
glenrothes indy stuff is good but their bottlings are like a different whisky and it's mediocre but that's the case for many Speyside things
I don't mind sampling the occasional indy offering
made the rookie mistake of buying dalmore 18 when I first got into whisky. In hindsight, I rather buy glendronach 18 at that time
I think that would have been a much better choice!
I generally agree with your list. I started scotch seriously in the early 2000’s as well and I had a few Macallan 18’s that were fabulous but the last two bottles I’ve tried, one my own and the other a friends, were pretty bad, especially for the price. Jura has also slipped recently. They used to have a version, Duriach’s Own that I really liked and then they pulled the series in the 20-teens and the new ones are disappointing. On the other hand, I do enjoy the Dalmore 15. I think it’s the best in the affordable part of their line. I find it better than many of the Speyside sherry-bombs.
Fair point on the Dalmore 15. Probably not as bad as the rest.
Only MacAllan I’d probably buy is Speymalt. Only Glenlivet might be the Nadurra. Cardhu is boring. Never tried Dalmore. Not excited by Glenmorangie either. Only whiskies I’ve actively disliked were a Knockando and a couple of Glenfiddichs.
Can't fault that list
Macallan, glenlivet,aberlour 12,
Good picks
Ardbeg is getting close for me.
The thing is they'll have a couple of mediocre releases and then redeem themselves with another. It's what a tumultuous love affair looks like.
@@MaltActivist it’s the over priced gimmicky releases that are my problem, less so about the core range, but even here some people says standards have slipped and can be very much batch variant.
@@primalmike2484 Largely true
Tried macallan cask strength and Dalmore 1974,
It just made me sadder, that watching how many overpriced mediocre expressions both distilleries bottled now day.
True. True.
What a snob!!! Actually its a good list of course. I always think of Sam Jackson in Pulp Fiction. "It may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never..."
I think you should be more positive. Let get a list of Diageo releases that we should consider looking at.
The only one i buy is the Lag11 Offerman. No more Talisker, Clynelish nor Oban.
I don't even feel good when I buy an independent from a Diageo distillery, like Linkwood or Blair Athol .
Jack my man! A Diageo list, huh? Alright let's see what I can do.
@@MaltActivist I think I was emotionally scarred when I realized that every Game of Thrones whisky was the same color. And those of us who care will never get justice from that huge corporate multinational because we are only a tiny percentage of the market.
We all seem to have a different level of activism, but most are not doing a full boycott.
Funny thing is that I read on Google that Diageo visitor centers and their whisky tourism is up 15%
Nice caning, man.
haha thanks
Yup. Great picks not to buy. I’m way ahead of you on all those by two decades. The last Dalmore 12 I purchased was $8 and I think barely worth it.
$8 ? That must have been a long while ago
@@MaltActivist about 1999 or so. A retailer near me was blowing out the old bottles in anticipation of the new (current) bottling configuration. I bought a couple of cases for $8 a bottle. Solid everyday drinker but nothing special. I still have a few.
Macallan, Johnnie Walker, Chivas, any Australian whisky.
Any Australian whisky?? NOOO! I like quite a few.
@@MaltActivist Mostly non-integrity bottlings and WAY overpriced.
I can see where you’re coming from with all those bad boys!
I would also add Deanston, Fettercairn, Loch Lomond, Glenlivet and Glenallachie to your list and probably a few others if I give it some further thought.
I actually like Deanston. I also like the Glenlivet Single Cask CS. Even Glenallachie I feel is putting out some good stuff. But, hey, to each their own and I respect your list.
You are right about Dalmore, Jura and Macallan. These guys are really over the hill with the cost and with low ABV, they are not worth the money. I can accept them as gift but I also wouldn't want pay for these brands, I once bought a Macallan 15 and felt let down and felt buying two Glenmorangie would have been a better decision.
I hear you Ravi!
The only story a whiskey should tell is what's in the bottle. Alone. The last thing glenroth needs to do is waste money on advertisers and pr. They need invest in good casks and cast it nonchilll filtered and natural color.
Agreed!
Didn't care much for the clickbaity title... But, I agree with you 100%! As you said, those are not whiskies for aficionados but for people with more money than sense and I actually think that is great! To each their own... What I am actually more concerned are the once consistent malts that are beginning to fall in quality. Talisker 10 comes to mind. One of my favorites and not as good as I remembered it to be.
Well it was kind of click baity wasn't it?
Macallan and Jura. Had an older Jura, didn’t like it..tried a newer one this year and literally tasted like sweetened green tea. Weird .
Something is definitely amiss in that place
Id have Glendronach or Glenfarclas instead, all day.
100% agree
I'll never understand why anyone would pay for Macallen if Glendronach or glenturret are available. I'd add aberlour 12 to the list, tastes so watered down and homogeneous to me.
hmmmm I can see where you're coming from
Where was Ardbeg on the list??!
haha sorry to disappoint
If you follow that advice to buy all of these whiskys buy the 375ml or the small sample size if you have them or get them at a bar. Don't buy bottle after bottle. With how much whiskey prices are skyrocketing don't just buy full 700ml or 750ml whiskys. Horrible advice from a financial point of view. I agree on not buying Glenrothes and Macallan again. I'm also not buying Bowmore again.
I agree with you. In fact if you see my other videos I always encourage people to make a pool of friends to share a bottle and sample share. Something which I do quite regularly when I want to try out new whiskies.
I'm done with Bowmore. They can make magnificent stuff. But nothing that I can actually find is worth buying. Sour, bitter, sulfurous burned motor oil... and I love islay and peat. But I don't love Bowmore.
I can see where you're coming from!
Jura peated stuff was decent and of course they stopped making it
True
Wow! I agree on all four, especially the Jura and Glenrothes. Occasssionally I enjoy a Macallen 12 triple wood (when I can get it) and a 14 or 15 year Dalmore, but certainly these are over-rated.
Gotta agree!
MacAllan have disappeared up their own backsides! Style/Marketing over substance. Behemoth of a distillery yet you can’t just pop into their shop apparently but have to book as it’s. ‘Boutique’ experience now. Total bollocks!!!
wow didn't know you had to book to visit -
Boring prattling on
Pro tip : Watch at 1.5X speed. Boring prattling will reduce in half.
Totally agree with your point on dalmore and Jura. They ain’t good. All I think I’m drinking is E150. Jura is a beautiful place, but it deserves to have a better whisky to compliment the people and island of Jura. Dalmore is vastly overrated. Shows what the gift of the gab can get…( mr Patterson)..he could sell snow to a polar bear .
I wish Jura's whisky was as good as it's location.
Indie Glenrothes always better.
Dalmore is so much better when at cask.
Macallan. 90s bottles show just how far it's slipped.
So true