09 cavs being on this list was an absolute joke. All the other teams had that star power, while the 09 cavs had a decent team, but ben and big z?? They were in their twilight years in 09 and Mo was barely an all-star, he was a replacement. 2019 76ers or 2023 bucks should've been here instead of the 09 cavs.
Jonny, this vid was great! But this video has actually given me an idea that I surprisingly don’t recall seeing ever. How about a top 10 most overachieving teams in NBA history?
It has to be defined in the regular season or the playoffs though. For example the Heat massively underachieved in the regular season but massively overachieved in the playoffs
When placed 2nd or lower constitutes a whole failure, every season without a ring is a fail regardless of the context. That's something only the Lakers understand.
Warriors #1 is absolutely correct, but for some of the other rankings I would’ve weighed players assembling while actually still in their prime heavier. For instance, there is no way I view 2018 okc as a greater or more shocking failure than 2011 heat.
@@Bigedub101They blew out the Knicks in Game 6 anyway, so it didn’t matter. Game 7 was fair and square. And before you use the “There should never have been a Game 7” the Bulls MADE their be a Game 7 because they didn’t give up in their fight. It only shows how strong willed of a team they were. It’s not like the Kings where it was a close out game. Game 5 only gave whatever team that won a 3-2 lead.
My takeaway from this is winning championships is HARD! So much has to go your way in order to get the chip. Which is why I find the recent phenomenon of downplaying rings as if making it to the finals is just as impressive baffling.
They don't argue that making the finals is just as impressive as winning the chip. They simply argue that making the finals is an impressive feat in of itself
I'm sure there are reasonable people who acknowledge making it to the finals is impressive but not the same as winning a championship. But are you saying there aren't people in the mainstream sports media that more or less conflate LeBron's finals streaks with winning championships? Shannon Sharpe for example.
The #1 team on your list is 100% correct. No matter what excuses that anyone can come up with, they blew it! Imagine where Curry would be in the GOAT list if he had won. But, if they had won, I do not think that KD would have signed with them. It was bad enough for him to join a 73-9 team that lost in the finals.
2012 Spurs: swept the first 2 rounds of the west, were up 2-0 in the conference finals, but got backswept by OKC 2005 Heat: got outworked by the Pistons in the conference finals after a season-long hype because of Shaq 2006 Pistons: they threw away the league's best record by letting the Heat get revenge from the previous year 2016 Thunder and Clippers: before the Warriors blew a 3-1 lead in the finals, these 2 teams did it ahead of Golden State
I agree that the '16 Warriors team losing the 3-1 lead in the finals is the most historic "failure" on this list...but that stacked '22 Lakers team finishing 16 games under .500 and failing to even make the play-in tournament is easily the most under-performing team on this list.
We knew that team was gonna fail though. Only the media and fans that don’t know basketball were saying that team was gonna dominate, you can’t just throw a bunch of old former stars on a team and expect them to mesh well and win.
That 2011 heat team needs to be way higher, like top 3. Dirk's legacy is legendary solely because he was able to beat that team. Thats the ridiculous amount of hype that team had.
Bro, Dirk and the mavs beat them, the reigning champ Lakers, and a Young okc team that made the finals Next year... It was the Run, not just the finals...
It’s not about the other team, it’s about your team being the better. It’s not about the opponent, it’s about you being the best player. Kobe, KD and Lebron got defeated by that Mavs team because they couldn’t make their team the better team.🤷🏻
Imagine Kobe at his youngest years with the Lakers going against the exiting MJ and Bulls while also at his older years going possibly against up and coming Lebron and cavs or the Heatles at it's debut season. 8 & 24 could've gone against the 2 arguable GOATs in his 2 decade career.
The 1990 Lakers belong on this list. They had the league's best record at 63-19, the regular season MVP, and were the 3-time defending Western Conference champs. They lost 4-1 in the 2nd round to the Suns after beating them 3 out of 4 games during the regular season and sweeping them in the 1989 playoffs.
Good pull. I agree that the 1990 Lakers were a disappointment. I cite two major factors in their underachievement. The first is that the Lakers had been to the Conference Finals EIGHT straight years prior to that which is insane in itself, so I could tell that they were trying way too hard to go a ninth time. The second is that Riley himself had grown way too obsessive in the team’s success. His last two seasons with the Lakers, he began pushing the team way too hard with exhausting practices, and by the time the playoffs came around the Lakers themselves finally ran out of gas. After that season, Riley resigned and Michael Cooper retired. I consider that in my opinion, to really be the last season of Showtime as Mike Dunleavy changed up the play style once he got there the following season.
I was aware that Riley's practices caused the injuries to Byron Scott and Magic during the '89 playoffs, but I did not know that the intense practices continued the following season. That would explain Riley and the Lakers parting ways after the early playoff exit. Additionally, perhaps the Lakers were looking past the Suns to a Conference Finals matchup with the Blazers. I remember thinking at the time that the Blazers were the only team that could prevent the Lakers-Pistons trilogy. @@romanramirez7847
OUTSTANDING! OUTSTANDING! OUTSTANDING! Too glad that you remembered the 84 Sixers, I unfortunately watched Sugar Ray Richardson defeat all those hall of fame players
Your reasoning for placing that Brooklyn squad at 11 doesn't make sense. Every other team on this list, you're determining their position based on their on paper roster. Not based on the issues that happen when the season starts. Brooklyn was as talented as most rosters on this list on paper. Little unfair to judge them based on injuries
potential super teams that were almost created would be a great video also: 1984 Rockets Jordan Hakeem Drexler 2000 Magic Duncan Tmac Hill 2010 Bulls Rose Wade Lebron Bosh Noah 2013 Lakers Kobe CP3 Howard
@@nydibs the Rockets could’ve traded 7’3 Ralph Sampson to Portland for Drexler and #2 pick(Sam Bowie). 1984 Rockets would’ve still drafted Hakeem #1 but Jordan at 2.
I honestly would put the 2022 Lakers ahead of 2016 GSW. Like I understand the disappointment around GSW not being able to finish the Cavs but the GSW had some stuff working against them. Their center Bogut was out, Draymund got suspended for that crucial game 5, and I honestly believe that since his ankle injury in the first round Steph wasn't playing up to his regular season standard. Add on that they had a grueling WCFs where they had to make their own comeback and it isn't that surprising to me. The 2022 Lakers on the other hand were just trash. Even when all three superstars were healthy and on the court they couldn't manage to get things going. At least when all 3 of the big 3 Nets played together, the few rare times it happened, the results were generally wins and they looked good.
They would be disappointing if the main guys where not injured, if bron and ad didnt miss sometime off and 3 of them had played alot of time and adjusted well with each other then you can consider it because for me 73-9 warriors could have finish it off even you say Green was out they could have finish it and them actually played alot together and not missing alot of time made it feel like dissapointing
I'd say it's interesting that Kobe is on the list that many times, but I guess when you are one of the greatest players in the world playing for the most popular team in the world, expectations are always high.
Probably one of the only old heads in here, but the 1986 and 1981 Lakers. Especially the 1981 team. Both were spoiled by the Rockets and a dominant center. The 1986 team was expected to give us the 3rd consecutive Lakers vs Celtics matchup but the Rockets had the perfect formula to counter the new Laker focus on physicality. Ralph Sampson isn't a name talked about enough and kids today probably wouldn't be able to fathom a 7'4" version of T-Wolves Kevin Garnett who can even play small forward.
I was really surprised to not see the 2023 Bucks in this list at all, but I guess it's fair if we considert the fact Giannis was hurt for most of the series and honestly, as a Bucks fan, it's nice to not see my team in this list 😅
13:59 It's rare to hear about one of the big teams of the East in the 80s getting upset by a completely forgotten team... deserves a more in depth dive IMO.
2022 Lakers were too high. Sure they underachieved in historic fashion but there were tons of people that called out the many red flags for this team before the season began (I recall someone making a video about how unsuccessful all the teams were with an average age as high as theirs 🤔) Also I’d say 2011 Heat were too low. That team was heralded as the greatest thing to ever happen to sports and even though they made it to the finals, they fell flat against a huge underdog.
That 2022 Lakers team had way, WAY too much players with a ton of accolades... They had- LeBron (Needless to explain) AD (Multiple All-NBA and All-D) Russ (MVP) Carmelo (Scoring-champ) Dwight (DPOY) Rondo (Multiple assist-champ) DeAndre Jordan (All-NBA) Isaiah Thomas (All-NBA) Trevor Ariza (Starter on champ-team) Plus a bunch a well-known, serviceable role players... Malik Monk Austin Reaves Kent Bazemore Wayne Ellington Oh, and Talen Horton-Tucker, who's apparently untouchable...
I don’t know the exact roster but that Cleveland roster with D.Rose, D.Wade, Korver, Lebron, K.Love, IT, D.Williams, JR, Shump etc I thought were going to be insane. Just insanely old unfortunately! But loved how it looked on paper
Great video, as usual, however I cannot fathom a list that has the '04 Lakers that low and the '09 Cavs that high. Also, the '11 Heat should be higher.
@@Bigedub101 something tells me you don’t know what a grade 2 mcl sprain is, & that’s okay. Just do research. Kerr even wanted him to sit out & get surgery
@@Bigedub101 also idk how you expect them to stop Lebron & Kyrie (2 interior players) without their best big man/defensive anchor & leading shot blocker on the team. Their best player was hobbled & the defense collapsed.
The 2016 warriors also had a 3-1 deficit to okc. And won. So I was more shocked by them being down 3-1 to them, than being up 3-1 and blowing it to Lebrons cavs
@@Bigedub101 ?? U slow. 3 HOFs in their primes on the same team and losing in the fashion they did choking against an old roster like the Mavs with LeBron choking the way he did. Thats easily one of the worst finals meltdowns in NBA History. Only reason it isn't No.1 is because that spot Is reserved for the Warriors
Besides the Celtics teams I never saw play, the Heat team that lost to the mavericks is the only team I expected to win the chip on this list without a reasonable excuse as to why they didn’t.
Honestly, it's baffling to me how the 2007 Mavericks can rationally be ranked as a bigger disappointment/shocking fail (other than to Mavericks fans) than the full-mouthed, star-studded 2011 Miami Heat, not to speak of so many other teams. I think the impression of the awkward press conference as a confluence of bad circumstances like a hot and overachieving Warriors-Team that had beaten the Mavericks three times in the season and was coached by the one man, Don Nelson, who exactly knew how to take Dirk's game apart, must have overshadowed what rationally could be expected. Not to speak of the consistent anti-Mark Cuban/Mavs bias of the referees ... So yes, this was a good team, but far from a super team like many of those ranked way lower on this list. So, disappointing? Definitely. Shocking? A bit, because the exit was so early, but not really that surprising when you look a bit closer. But top 3 compared to the others? No, just no. I am however fully on board with ranking the 2011 Mavericks as one of the top 3 most impressive championship runs of all time. ;-)
Dallas was so strong all season long. They looked like they were on a mission and nothing would stop them. I remember the season very well. I also remember that I was super worried that GSW might be the opponent in the first round and I thought that this might be the toughest matchup for the entire playoffs since they had already lost to GSW in the regular season. Maybe I am biased but for me it was a massive disappointment. I really thought they would win it and they might have if it were for any other opponent in the first round...But no excuses: big upset, to me it belongs so high. Unfortunately...
@@strm5622If you ask me the Mavs and 94 Sonics should be in consecutive spots, and both ahead of the 97 Rockets (who while underachieving, actually won two playoff series).
I think it's pretty on point except the 2011 Heat are ranked too low and if the 2009 Cavs 2nd best players were Mo Williams and Zydrunas Ilgauskas, they don't count as a super team.
Of all the Lakers teams to (rightfully) make your list, I’m surprised the ‘86 squad didn’t. I’d also have put the ‘12 Bulls (Derrick Rose tearing his ACL in garbage time of game 1) and the ‘99 Jazz (finished the season tied for the best record in the league, but the strike-shortened season left them too gassed to do anything in the playoffs).
I still believe deep down that the Warriors lost on purpose in order to sign KD and extend the length of their dynasty. They didn’t anticipate that KD would want to leave after 3 years though.
The Celtics after Bill Russel retired is one of the things that make me think he has been extremely disrespected in GOAT discussions. Sure he wasn't a scoring champion, but his contributions to his teams winning through everything else is the best in NBA history IMO. The discussion always talk about how good his team was like they were carrying him. Their performance without puts the lie to that take pretty definitively.
If we could put a quality two number one, and number two on the list, the Lakers failure to reach the postseason in number two spot is like a San Francisco Hill in comparison to the Mount Everest height of disappointment that was the 2016, Golden State Warriors
@@SoggySlopster but without the scoring from their lost stars is what kept them afloat many games. Without Klay, and KD they are a second round team at best
2020-21 Sixers may my list. No 1 seed, unraveled to an underdog inexperienced Hawks and lead to an upcoming star in Simmons downward spiral. 2021-22 Phoenix Suns. 64 wins no 1 seed in the league losing in the 2nd round. 2017-18 Raptors. No 1 seed in the east to get sweep in the 2nd round
“#1: The 2016 Golden State Warriors” My brother in Christ they won 73 games and were 5 points away from beating arguably the greatest player ever in arguably his best series performance ever in the Finals.
The 2013-14 Nets trade never made sense to me. KG and Paul Pierce were the leaders on a Celtics team that just played .500 ball and they were supposed to put them in Championship contention? Even if they stayed healthy I never saw it working out.
compare the NHL to the NBA : NHL you get a shift longer than 30 seconds and its a sign you are a star or a top tier Defenseman... imagine just swapping after 2 periods... NBA can't compare to hockey imo on some points for dynasties, less cogs need to work. Close are NHL and NFL, but NFL is more on strategy than stamina
Anyone else finding it funny that he keeps saying "JUST 6 games," ? Lolll a 6 game series is the 2nd tightest a series can get. Losing in 6, even if you're a 1 seed, is something I'd consider a fairly tight series
The 2011 Heat should be top 5 hands down. Thats the most talk about failure but it shouldnt of happened. That team was expected to win 70 games and they were the championship favorites. You have several teams on this who werent even expected to win the championship ahead of them smh😮 and the 2016 warriors had key injuries. They shouldnt be #1
The 2022 BB Lakers should be the marquee team on your thumbnail. They're the biggest failure of all time. With 5 probable HOFs on the roster including the guy some call the GOAT they failed to make the playoffs and didn't even qualify for the new play-in tournament , finishing outside of the top ten in the conference.
You should've mentioned Havlicek injuring his shoulder in the middle of that 1973 ECF series. Hence, he was far from 100% even if he only missed Game 4. He was arguably their best player along with Dave Cowens.
i can't put the 16 warriors on there. As disappointing as it was, it was still a naturally built team that was playing great basketball and choked. Teams that BUILT super teams and still failed should be regarded as more disappointing imo.
It's not often that I find myself massively disagree with you, but there were a lot of teams that I would have put higher or lower. The most notable are the 2011 Heat and the 2022 Lakers. The 2011 Heat failure is, for my own perspective, almost as shocking as the 2016 Warriors. LeBron was in his peak, Wade was arguably a top 3 player at that time and Bosch a top 10. All the show done before the season put the expectations so high and the opposition in the Finals was so unbalanced on paper that everyone around me seemed to think that the Heat would sweep the Mavericks. LeBron poor performances, the 2-0 lead blowed and the ultimate defeat made this Finals one of the most shocking that I ever saw (and somehow in the good way because everyone prefer the victory of the underdog). On the opposite side, I still don't understand how the 2022 Lakers were so highly regarded before the season begin. Between the injury history, the lack of compatibility between LeBron and Russ and the roster that was not matching LeBron and Davis qualities, it was obvious to me that they will struggle and probably have a hard time going to the post season. I had put them between the 10th and 6th seed, and more likely 10-8 than 7-6. And seeing that they were labeled as contender made me ask if I was crazy or the other people just dumb because they see big names.
It had to be a big name thing. I personally don’t remember any hype for the 2022 Lakers with AD’s injury history and Russ being Russ. I do remember teams like the 2011 Heat and the KD, Kyrie and Harden Nets being a foregone conclusion for the chip.
@@cliptomaniac2562Dawg is your memory that slow? KP said they'd win 70 games. Nick Wright & Shannon Sharpe said LeBron would win a 5th ring and solidify himself as the GOAT. Bron himself said they're age didn't matter but to keep that same energy and LeMedia came in right behind that. Only as the season progressed and it became clear this team wasn't gonna do sh!t did they start to backtrack in excuses and fake injuries like they always do for Bron.
@@FrokuBabayy lol you use Shannon and Nick, the 2 biggest Stan’s for Lebron, as indicators of what the media and fans thought? Let me guess Skip said the opposite. And of course Bron said they would win. Maybe it’s an echo chamber for everyone now. Mostly what I heard was Westbrook wouldn’t work and AD will probably get hurt
@@cliptomaniac2562exactly man I seen 2 games and knew that team wasn't gonna work.. They act like those old ass people with 2 ball dominant point guard supposed to actually go together
I mean minor shuffles, but the outright missed placements are 2011 Heat are easy top 5 especially against those Mavs and the hype, the Celtic trade nets team isn't top 10, and I do believe the recent 2023 bucks deserve a spot at like 15-20.
Choking a 3-1 lead as the defending champions and the greatest regular season team in NBA history… yes, that qualifies as very shocking. If that doesn’t, then nothing does
I have a question can alot of rings say your better at basketball then someone? Because they say that more rings means your better at a person which I don't feel it's a good take what do you think
Ill still never forgive Mike Brown for losing that Orlando series for us.. putting LeBron on their point guards to "disrupt their offense" then putting delonte west on their forwards was the dumbest coaching move I've ever seen.. there were also injuries that would have helped deal with dwight so Andy and Z didn't get destroyed every play.. oh well, least we got 1 ring
I don’t think the 2004 Lakers was a failed team. As a Lakers fan, I watched them get unlucky with Karl Malone injuring his knee and was never the same. I truly feel if Malone was healthy then we would be seeing a different outcome.
Of all the Lakers teams on this list, the 2004 team should have been the highest. 98 was a stacked team too, and the others were just bad fits. That 2004 team was destroyed by injuries. IIRC Malone, Kobe, Payton, and Shaq only played 27 regular season games together. In those 27 games, they were spectacular. The opening game of the season was like watching the Globetrotters. That team knew that they were so stacked and nobody cared who shot so they just passed the ball around and steam rolled teams. The games where all 4 of those guys were on the floor were some of the best basketball games that I've ever seen. But the injuries.....Each one of those guys missed like 20 games through out the season and it was never all at once. So 2 or 3 of them would always be on the floor, and every week it would switch out. The chemistry never set in because how the offense was being ran and who was getting the most touches shifted from week to week. To this day, I've never seen a team fluctuate what they do so much and it was all because of injuries. Had that team stayed healthy, they could have won it all, and IMO had the most promise out of all the teams listed except maybe the 98 roster. Kobe was still a year away from being a super star but their bench was deep. Elden Campbell and Derek Fisher were the best bench players at their position in the entire league and they still had B Shaw, Big Shot Rob, and Rick Fox on the bench. Fox, Horry, and Fisher became the starters 2 years later and they 3 peated. You should have waited a year to make this video though. That way the Suns could have made the list. :-)
Putting the 2022 Nets that high is so dumb lol. With all the injuries to KD, Kyrie missing games and their 3rd. and 4th. best player being injured too.
That's kind of an excuse though, because by the logic of injuries and missed time, almost no team is allowed to be ranked. 2016 Warriors didn't have Bogut and Draymond had a suspension. 04 Lakers had Malone hurt in the finals and Kobe's Colorado trials throughout the season. 13 Lakers were insanely injured, with the Kobe achilles, Dwight shoulder and Pau's foot, etc.
Another list that’s sure to trigger people. Lol. Which failed team shocked you the most??
2009 cavs ngl
And what team shocked the most were the 16 warriors
Shocking to be on the list was 09 cavs
My dad remembers when the Sixers lost to the Nets, he told me he couldn't believe it and thought it was pathetic
09 cavs being on this list was an absolute joke. All the other teams had that star power, while the 09 cavs had a decent team, but ben and big z?? They were in their twilight years in 09 and Mo was barely an all-star, he was a replacement. 2019 76ers or 2023 bucks should've been here instead of the 09 cavs.
the 2021 nets, Dunno how kd, kyrie and harden managed to fail this
Jonny, this vid was great! But this video has actually given me an idea that I surprisingly don’t recall seeing ever. How about a top 10 most overachieving teams in NBA history?
It has to be defined in the regular season or the playoffs though. For example the Heat massively underachieved in the regular season but massively overachieved in the playoffs
@@Time_Lapse_Master. I was thinking playoffs overachievers
Playoffs-wise I’ve got ‘95 Rockets, ‘07 Warriors, ‘86 Rockets, ‘89 Bulls, ‘07 Cavs, ‘90 Suns, ‘10 Celtics, ‘23 Heat
Heat in 2011 needs to be in the Top 10 at the least.
Bron guaranteed 8 rings and made fun of Dirk being sick, and played worse than Jason Terry lmfao.
All these lakers appearances give me so much joy 😂
When placed 2nd or lower constitutes a whole failure, every season without a ring is a fail regardless of the context. That's something only the Lakers understand.
don’t be laughing now, plenty of celtics teams finna appear on this shit 💀💀💀
Warriors #1 is absolutely correct, but for some of the other rankings I would’ve weighed players assembling while actually still in their prime heavier. For instance, there is no way I view 2018 okc as a greater or more shocking failure than 2011 heat.
especially considering the fact that noone thought 2018 okc was winning the title with the kd warriors around
The 2000 Blazers broke my heart, as did the Bulls losing to the Knicks in '94.
Bulls got cheated in 1994 go look at the end of game 5 that was a BS ending
@@samuraibeastwarrior2886exactly that BS call cause they didn't want Bulls getting to ECF or possibly finals
@@Bigedub101They blew out the Knicks in Game 6 anyway, so it didn’t matter. Game 7 was fair and square. And before you use the “There should never have been a Game 7” the Bulls MADE their be a Game 7 because they didn’t give up in their fight. It only shows how strong willed of a team they were. It’s not like the Kings where it was a close out game. Game 5 only gave whatever team that won a 3-2 lead.
My takeaway from this is winning championships is HARD! So much has to go your way in order to get the chip. Which is why I find the recent phenomenon of downplaying rings as if making it to the finals is just as impressive baffling.
the Lebron effect
They don't argue that making the finals is just as impressive as winning the chip. They simply argue that making the finals is an impressive feat in of itself
@@sir_sackagreed.
I'm sure there are reasonable people who acknowledge making it to the finals is impressive but not the same as winning a championship. But are you saying there aren't people in the mainstream sports media that more or less conflate LeBron's finals streaks with winning championships? Shannon Sharpe for example.
Making to any finals 8 straight times is impressive even you only when 1 at the least
The #1 team on your list is 100% correct. No matter what excuses that anyone can come up with, they blew it! Imagine where Curry would be in the GOAT list if he had won. But, if they had won, I do not think that KD would have signed with them. It was bad enough for him to join a 73-9 team that lost in the finals.
A good question is would he rather have had that 73-9 season end in a chip and never win with KD. It’s 2 chips to 1 but that 73-9 chip is special
2012 Spurs: swept the first 2 rounds of the west, were up 2-0 in the conference finals, but got backswept by OKC
2005 Heat: got outworked by the Pistons in the conference finals after a season-long hype because of Shaq
2006 Pistons: they threw away the league's best record by letting the Heat get revenge from the previous year
2016 Thunder and Clippers: before the Warriors blew a 3-1 lead in the finals, these 2 teams did it ahead of Golden State
2014 Thunder ?
@@samuraibeastwarrior2886 nah, it was always going to be the Spurs that year
@@rongiefaustino8867 ok
The 2016 Thunder did beat a 67 win team, and took a 73-9 team to 7 games. How's that a dissapointment?
@@samuraibeastwarrior2886Ibaka missed 2 games that series
I agree that the '16 Warriors team losing the 3-1 lead in the finals is the most historic "failure" on this list...but that stacked '22 Lakers team finishing 16 games under .500 and failing to even make the play-in tournament is easily the most under-performing team on this list.
I’m sure people have pointed this out, but LeBron got injured when they were at the top of the league and AD just isn’t him
yeah also before the season if you had been told the cavs would beat the warriors, would you have been surprised? they shouldnt be on this list
Anthony Davis missed 40+ games and lebron was injured with 20+ that isn’t all surprising they couldn’t get a spot
Clearly had issues that year
We knew that team was gonna fail though. Only the media and fans that don’t know basketball were saying that team was gonna dominate, you can’t just throw a bunch of old former stars on a team and expect them to mesh well and win.
Flawless content! I'd love to see the opposite premise: The most shocking championship teams.
That 2011 heat team needs to be way higher, like top 3. Dirk's legacy is legendary solely because he was able to beat that team. Thats the ridiculous amount of hype that team had.
Couldn't agree more.
Bro, Dirk and the mavs beat them, the reigning champ Lakers, and a Young okc team that made the finals Next year... It was the Run, not just the finals...
It’s not about the other team, it’s about your team being the better. It’s not about the opponent, it’s about you being the best player.
Kobe, KD and Lebron got defeated by that Mavs team because they couldn’t make their team the better team.🤷🏻
@@abner0584Pathetic attempt at tryna save LeBron
@@FrokuBabayy Why would I try to save that clo*wn.😂
Imagine Kobe at his youngest years with the Lakers going against the exiting MJ and Bulls while also at his older years going possibly against up and coming Lebron and cavs or the Heatles at it's debut season. 8 & 24 could've gone against the 2 arguable GOATs in his 2 decade career.
All this lists prove to me, was how underrated those Malone and Stockton jazz teams were
Yes! And Stockton was on fire that series against Houston in 1997. Probably his best playoffs series ever.
The 1990 Lakers belong on this list. They had the league's best record at 63-19, the regular season MVP, and were the 3-time defending Western Conference champs. They lost 4-1 in the 2nd round to the Suns after beating them 3 out of 4 games during the regular season and sweeping them in the 1989 playoffs.
Good pull. I agree that the 1990 Lakers were a disappointment. I cite two major factors in their underachievement.
The first is that the Lakers had been to the Conference Finals EIGHT straight years prior to that which is insane in itself, so I could tell that they were trying way too hard to go a ninth time.
The second is that Riley himself had grown way too obsessive in the team’s success. His last two seasons with the Lakers, he began pushing the team way too hard with exhausting practices, and by the time the playoffs came around the Lakers themselves finally ran out of gas.
After that season, Riley resigned and Michael Cooper retired. I consider that in my opinion, to really be the last season of Showtime as Mike Dunleavy changed up the play style once he got there the following season.
I was aware that Riley's practices caused the injuries to Byron Scott and Magic during the '89 playoffs, but I did not know that the intense practices continued the following season. That would explain Riley and the Lakers parting ways after the early playoff exit.
Additionally, perhaps the Lakers were looking past the Suns to a Conference Finals matchup with the Blazers. I remember thinking at the time that the Blazers were the only team that could prevent the Lakers-Pistons trilogy. @@romanramirez7847
OUTSTANDING! OUTSTANDING! OUTSTANDING! Too glad that you remembered the 84 Sixers, I unfortunately watched Sugar Ray Richardson defeat all those hall of fame players
The 2006 Detroit Pistons should be on the list they had the best record in the NBA and lost to Miami in the Eastern Conference Finals
Banger video as always Jonny
I still can’t believe the 98 Lakers team to the AARP aging Jazz who basically played 2-on-5
Another banger from Jonny! 🙏🏽🔥
Your reasoning for placing that Brooklyn squad at 11 doesn't make sense. Every other team on this list, you're determining their position based on their on paper roster. Not based on the issues that happen when the season starts. Brooklyn was as talented as most rosters on this list on paper. Little unfair to judge them based on injuries
THANK YOU. Having the '22 Nets higher than the 2011 Heat might be the dumbest thing I've ever seen.
potential super teams that were almost created would be a great video also:
1984 Rockets Jordan Hakeem Drexler
2000 Magic Duncan Tmac Hill
2010 Bulls Rose Wade Lebron Bosh Noah
2013 Lakers Kobe CP3 Howard
1996-97 Shaq Kobe & Magic
@@RTBiz that too if magic never retired. Shaw still goes to LA and they steal Kobe from Hornets
How were the Rockets supposed to get Jordan, Hakeem and Drexler in 84?
@@nydibs the Rockets could’ve traded 7’3 Ralph Sampson to Portland for Drexler and #2 pick(Sam Bowie). 1984 Rockets would’ve still drafted Hakeem #1 but Jordan at 2.
dude it's crazy they paid magic johnson $1million a year UNTIL 2010! it couldve so easily happened and it blows my mind@@tmac731
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I honestly would put the 2022 Lakers ahead of 2016 GSW. Like I understand the disappointment around GSW not being able to finish the Cavs but the GSW had some stuff working against them. Their center Bogut was out, Draymund got suspended for that crucial game 5, and I honestly believe that since his ankle injury in the first round Steph wasn't playing up to his regular season standard. Add on that they had a grueling WCFs where they had to make their own comeback and it isn't that surprising to me.
The 2022 Lakers on the other hand were just trash. Even when all three superstars were healthy and on the court they couldn't manage to get things going. At least when all 3 of the big 3 Nets played together, the few rare times it happened, the results were generally wins and they looked good.
Injuries.
They would be disappointing if the main guys where not injured, if bron and ad didnt miss sometime off and 3 of them had played alot of time and adjusted well with each other then you can consider it because for me 73-9 warriors could have finish it off even you say Green was out they could have finish it and them actually played alot together and not missing alot of time made it feel like dissapointing
Not even close to bad. Wasn't a good fit team anyway
Westbrook's a cancer. You could see from light years away they were going to fail because of a lack of chemistry.
I'd say it's interesting that Kobe is on the list that many times, but I guess when you are one of the greatest players in the world playing for the most popular team in the world, expectations are always high.
2:39 well also he's a rapist who ruined a dynasty
@@MPHswayzebut your sister said she wanted it real bad.
Great video!
Seems like Kobe failed more than y'all like to admit. Making the list 4 times is kinda crazyy
bro the title says teams not just one dude lol
Please do a 2003/04 Lakers season fully, like you did the 2012/13 Lakers one, I think it's just as dramatic and as good of a season!
2:39 nahhh he ALWAYS glosses over Kobe's rape. Dude is a Kobe worshipper, like seriously in love with Kobe it's fucking creepy. 🗑️
Probably one of the only old heads in here, but the 1986 and 1981 Lakers. Especially the 1981 team. Both were spoiled by the Rockets and a dominant center.
The 1986 team was expected to give us the 3rd consecutive Lakers vs Celtics matchup but the Rockets had the perfect formula to counter the new Laker focus on physicality. Ralph Sampson isn't a name talked about enough and kids today probably wouldn't be able to fathom a 7'4" version of T-Wolves Kevin Garnett who can even play small forward.
Never heard some of these stories! Great video.
I was really surprised to not see the 2023 Bucks in this list at all, but I guess it's fair if we considert the fact Giannis was hurt for most of the series and honestly, as a Bucks fan, it's nice to not see my team in this list 😅
Love it when you upload daily content I have no friends no family nobody
13:59 It's rare to hear about one of the big teams of the East in the 80s getting upset by a completely forgotten team... deserves a more in depth dive IMO.
I genuinely don't see how anyone ever thought Russ was gonna mesh with the Lakers. I secured with my dad for months about how bad if a fit it was lol
Lebron thought so. :D
@@shorewallfront office makes trade desicions not players. Try again😂
Iguodala on a fast break…BLOCKED BY JAMES!!!!
Good block
2013 spurs could've been on this list. Im a spurs fan but that was a gut wrenching finals loss
2022 Lakers were too high. Sure they underachieved in historic fashion but there were tons of people that called out the many red flags for this team before the season began (I recall someone making a video about how unsuccessful all the teams were with an average age as high as theirs 🤔)
Also I’d say 2011 Heat were too low. That team was heralded as the greatest thing to ever happen to sports and even though they made it to the finals, they fell flat against a huge underdog.
That 2022 Lakers team had way, WAY too much players with a ton of accolades... They had-
LeBron (Needless to explain)
AD (Multiple All-NBA and All-D)
Russ (MVP)
Carmelo (Scoring-champ)
Dwight (DPOY)
Rondo (Multiple assist-champ)
DeAndre Jordan (All-NBA)
Isaiah Thomas (All-NBA)
Trevor Ariza (Starter on champ-team)
Plus a bunch a well-known, serviceable role players...
Malik Monk
Austin Reaves
Kent Bazemore
Wayne Ellington
Oh, and Talen Horton-Tucker, who's apparently untouchable...
chemistry matters. And average basketball fan knew that yeah team was gonna work.. Injuries and made no sense getting Russ
You were spot on with this one Jonny!😊
I don’t know the exact roster but that Cleveland roster with D.Rose, D.Wade, Korver, Lebron, K.Love, IT, D.Williams, JR, Shump etc I thought were going to be insane. Just insanely old unfortunately! But loved how it looked on paper
Great video, as usual, however I cannot fathom a list that has the '04 Lakers that low and the '09 Cavs that high. Also, the '11 Heat should be higher.
Crazy how there’s no Steph mcl sprain injury mentioned, Bogut injury, Andre back spasms, nothing 😂 A healthy ‘16 Warriors stomps
Yeah the context is out the window… it’s 1 thing to say the choked was horrible but it’s another not to mention players missing nba finals games
Man stop br wasn't hurt 3-1and lost 2 home games
@@Bigedub101 something tells me you don’t know what a grade 2 mcl sprain is, & that’s okay. Just do research. Kerr even wanted him to sit out & get surgery
@@Bigedub101 also idk how you expect them to stop Lebron & Kyrie (2 interior players) without their best big man/defensive anchor & leading shot blocker on the team. Their best player was hobbled & the defense collapsed.
lol they were healthy in 2015 and the Cavs weren’t, it’s a part of the game stop making excuses for the collapse
14:04 never thought I would see Magic hug Dr J after a dunk lol
4:30 to me, this was by far the most talented post showtime Lakers team ever. Kobe Bryant was the equivalent of today’s Jonathan Kuminga back then.
The worst part about that 2011 lakers team is that if they beat the mavs, they most likely win it all, and that series was very winnable.
The 2016 warriors also had a 3-1 deficit to okc. And won. So I was more shocked by them being down 3-1 to them, than being up 3-1 and blowing it to Lebrons cavs
The '96 Bulls rested their players at the end of the season. Give MJ a 74 win goal and he'd of broke that too.
The 2019 Celtics should be on this list, if not an honorable mention.
That 2011 Heat Team not being Top 3 on this list is the punchline of a bad joke😂
Wasn't that bad
@@Bigedub101 ?? U slow. 3 HOFs in their primes on the same team and losing in the fashion they did choking against an old roster like the Mavs with LeBron choking the way he did. Thats easily one of the worst finals meltdowns in NBA History. Only reason it isn't No.1 is because that spot Is reserved for the Warriors
@@FrokuBabayydude put the 2022 Nets higher lmao. That '11 meltdown is easily top 3.
@@manuelcanelo6670'11 WASNT a meltdown. Mavs were winning since game 1 the signs were already there. You just blind to see it😂
Besides the Celtics teams I never saw play, the Heat team that lost to the mavericks is the only team I expected to win the chip on this list without a reasonable excuse as to why they didn’t.
Honestly, it's baffling to me how the 2007 Mavericks can rationally be ranked as a bigger disappointment/shocking fail (other than to Mavericks fans) than the full-mouthed, star-studded 2011 Miami Heat, not to speak of so many other teams.
I think the impression of the awkward press conference as a confluence of bad circumstances like a hot and overachieving Warriors-Team that had beaten the Mavericks three times in the season and was coached by the one man, Don Nelson, who exactly knew how to take Dirk's game apart, must have overshadowed what rationally could be expected. Not to speak of the consistent anti-Mark Cuban/Mavs bias of the referees ...
So yes, this was a good team, but far from a super team like many of those ranked way lower on this list. So, disappointing? Definitely. Shocking? A bit, because the exit was so early, but not really that surprising when you look a bit closer. But top 3 compared to the others? No, just no.
I am however fully on board with ranking the 2011 Mavericks as one of the top 3 most impressive championship runs of all time. ;-)
Dallas was so strong all season long. They looked like they were on a mission and nothing would stop them. I remember the season very well. I also remember that I was super worried that GSW might be the opponent in the first round and I thought that this might be the toughest matchup for the entire playoffs since they had already lost to GSW in the regular season. Maybe I am biased but for me it was a massive disappointment. I really thought they would win it and they might have if it were for any other opponent in the first round...But no excuses: big upset, to me it belongs so high. Unfortunately...
@@strm5622If you ask me the Mavs and 94 Sonics should be in consecutive spots, and both ahead of the 97 Rockets (who while underachieving, actually won two playoff series).
@@strm5622exactly they were 67 sin team and got manhandled below 500 team
I think it's pretty on point except the 2011 Heat are ranked too low and if the 2009 Cavs 2nd best players were Mo Williams and Zydrunas Ilgauskas, they don't count as a super team.
is miami 2011 just overrated? how are they at 14?
2:20 why does the guy next to Shaq seem like one of there little brothers who the parents forced him to bring with 🤣
lmao "the guy"
Of all the Lakers teams to (rightfully) make your list, I’m surprised the ‘86 squad didn’t.
I’d also have put the ‘12 Bulls (Derrick Rose tearing his ACL in garbage time of game 1) and the ‘99 Jazz (finished the season tied for the best record in the league, but the strike-shortened season left them too gassed to do anything in the playoffs).
I haven't watched one NBA game this calendar year. However, I never miss a Jonny Arnett video.
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I still believe deep down that the Warriors lost on purpose in order to sign KD and extend the length of their dynasty. They didn’t anticipate that KD would want to leave after 3 years though.
You should do the biggest surprise teams of nba history
The Celtics after Bill Russel retired is one of the things that make me think he has been extremely disrespected in GOAT discussions. Sure he wasn't a scoring champion, but his contributions to his teams winning through everything else is the best in NBA history IMO. The discussion always talk about how good his team was like they were carrying him. Their performance without puts the lie to that take pretty definitively.
Watched at least 50 of your videos. Just realized I wasn’t subscribed.
2020 Bucks. COVID took the wind out of their sales but before the pause MKE was rolling. Super disappointed in the bubble playoffs.
1977 76ers !!!!
If we could put a quality two number one, and number two on the list, the Lakers failure to reach the postseason in number two spot is like a San Francisco Hill in comparison to the Mount Everest height of disappointment that was the 2016, Golden State Warriors
I don’t consider the warriors as a failure. Injuries happen when a team plays their stars as much as they did. The wear and tear on a player builds up
Nah they still had a really deep bench
@@SoggySlopster but without the scoring from their lost stars is what kept them afloat many games. Without Klay, and KD they are a second round team at best
No excuses
Melo and Amare were considered as a contender 😂
the 1989 Lakers should be on the List they were undefeated in the playoffs before Byron Scott got hurt and Magic Johnson tore his Hamstring
There were journalists (self considered basketball experts) who projected that old ass 2022 Lakers team to win over 70 games...
2020-21 Sixers may my list. No 1 seed, unraveled to an underdog inexperienced Hawks and lead to an upcoming star in Simmons downward spiral.
2021-22 Phoenix Suns. 64 wins no 1 seed in the league losing in the 2nd round.
2017-18 Raptors. No 1 seed in the east to get sweep in the 2nd round
“#1: The 2016 Golden State Warriors”
My brother in Christ they won 73 games and were 5 points away from beating arguably the greatest player ever in arguably his best series performance ever in the Finals.
Yeah but they blew a 3-1 lead witch has never been done in the finals and even worst they had just broke the record for most wins in league history
I forgot about the 2007 Mavs . Definitely shocking disappointment
It’s interesting how many Kobe teams appear on this list.
The 2013-14 Nets trade never made sense to me. KG and Paul Pierce were the leaders on a Celtics team that just played .500 ball and they were supposed to put them in Championship contention? Even if they stayed healthy I never saw it working out.
compare the NHL to the NBA : NHL you get a shift longer than 30 seconds and its a sign you are a star or a top tier Defenseman... imagine just swapping after 2 periods... NBA can't compare to hockey imo on some points for dynasties, less cogs need to work. Close are NHL and NFL, but NFL is more on strategy than stamina
I think is a bigger failure for the KD Warriors to ONLY win 2 chip, than for the 73-9 Warriors to make history and be shy of a chip in a 7 game finals
How?
Just wanna help the video
I never saw anyone in the preseason call the 2022 Lakers overpowered
Watched 2 regularly games a seen that team was trash
Anyone else finding it funny that he keeps saying "JUST 6 games," ?
Lolll a 6 game series is the 2nd tightest a series can get. Losing in 6, even if you're a 1 seed, is something I'd consider a fairly tight series
The 2011 Heat should be top 5 hands down. Thats the most talk about failure but it shouldnt of happened. That team was expected to win 70 games and they were the championship favorites. You have several teams on this who werent even expected to win the championship ahead of them smh😮 and the 2016 warriors had key injuries. They shouldnt be #1
Ok the fact u didn't put the miami heat beating the bucks last year
Dam had too put my NYKs😢😅😊 3:13 👀
Did I miss last year's Bucks?? 1 seed losing to 8 seed in the first round???
The 2022 BB Lakers should be the marquee team on your thumbnail. They're the biggest failure of all time. With 5 probable HOFs on the roster including the guy some call the GOAT they failed to make the playoffs and didn't even qualify for the new play-in tournament , finishing outside of the top ten in the conference.
My list of the most disappointing teams ever
1. 2021-22 Lakers
2. 1998-99 Rockets
3. 1996-97 Rockets
4. 2012-13 Lakers
5. 2013-14 Nets
6. 2013-14 Knicks
7. 2004-05 Pacers
8. 2006-07 Mavericks
9. 2021-22 Nets
10. 2017-18 Thunder
11. 1993-94 Supersonics
12. 2015-16 Bulls
13. 2018-19 Celtikkks
14. 2018-19 76ers
15. 2014-15 Clippers
16. 2019-20 Clippers
17. 2022-23 Bucks
You have to talk about the injuries golden state faced in 2016
#1 Warriors... "It don't mean a thing without the ring"
7:18 no. That team was trash. Lebron carried
You should've mentioned Havlicek injuring his shoulder in the middle of that 1973 ECF series. Hence, he was far from 100% even if he only missed Game 4. He was arguably their best player along with Dave Cowens.
i can't put the 16 warriors on there. As disappointing as it was, it was still a naturally built team that was playing great basketball and choked. Teams that BUILT super teams and still failed should be regarded as more disappointing imo.
Where would you rank the 1995 Chicago Bulls upset by the Shaq and Penny Magic ?
that was not a upset
That's was not an upset. Orlando had the best record in the east
It's not often that I find myself massively disagree with you, but there were a lot of teams that I would have put higher or lower. The most notable are the 2011 Heat and the 2022 Lakers. The 2011 Heat failure is, for my own perspective, almost as shocking as the 2016 Warriors. LeBron was in his peak, Wade was arguably a top 3 player at that time and Bosch a top 10. All the show done before the season put the expectations so high and the opposition in the Finals was so unbalanced on paper that everyone around me seemed to think that the Heat would sweep the Mavericks. LeBron poor performances, the 2-0 lead blowed and the ultimate defeat made this Finals one of the most shocking that I ever saw (and somehow in the good way because everyone prefer the victory of the underdog).
On the opposite side, I still don't understand how the 2022 Lakers were so highly regarded before the season begin. Between the injury history, the lack of compatibility between LeBron and Russ and the roster that was not matching LeBron and Davis qualities, it was obvious to me that they will struggle and probably have a hard time going to the post season. I had put them between the 10th and 6th seed, and more likely 10-8 than 7-6. And seeing that they were labeled as contender made me ask if I was crazy or the other people just dumb because they see big names.
It had to be a big name thing. I personally don’t remember any hype for the 2022 Lakers with AD’s injury history and Russ being Russ. I do remember teams like the 2011 Heat and the KD, Kyrie and Harden Nets being a foregone conclusion for the chip.
@@cliptomaniac2562Dawg is your memory that slow? KP said they'd win 70 games. Nick Wright & Shannon Sharpe said LeBron would win a 5th ring and solidify himself as the GOAT.
Bron himself said they're age didn't matter but to keep that same energy and LeMedia came in right behind that.
Only as the season progressed and it became clear this team wasn't gonna do sh!t did they start to backtrack in excuses and fake injuries like they always do for Bron.
@@FrokuBabayy lol you use Shannon and Nick, the 2 biggest Stan’s for Lebron, as indicators of what the media and fans thought? Let me guess Skip said the opposite. And of course Bron said they would win.
Maybe it’s an echo chamber for everyone now. Mostly what I heard was Westbrook wouldn’t work and AD will probably get hurt
@@cliptomaniac2562exactly man I seen 2 games and knew that team wasn't gonna work.. They act like those old ass people with 2 ball dominant point guard supposed to actually go together
@@cliptomaniac2562there were edits of the Nets-Lakers Finals matchup lol.
2009 cavs more shocking of a fail than 2011 heat? What is that logic?
I mean minor shuffles, but the outright missed placements are 2011 Heat are easy top 5 especially against those Mavs and the hype, the Celtic trade nets team isn't top 10, and I do believe the recent 2023 bucks deserve a spot at like 15-20.
The lob city clippers should be in this list
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Losing in the Finals is *SHOCKING!*
Choking a 3-1 lead as the defending champions and the greatest regular season team in NBA history… yes, that qualifies as very shocking. If that doesn’t, then nothing does
Be fr dude reigning champs new 73-9! Record no one thought the cavs were gonna win 😂
@@jonnyarnett 2016 Warriors aren't the only ones on your list that lost in the Finals. But I get it, gonna make a video, gonna include many team.
I have a question can alot of rings say your better at basketball then someone? Because they say that more rings means your better at a person which I don't feel it's a good take what do you think
Ill still never forgive Mike Brown for losing that Orlando series for us.. putting LeBron on their point guards to "disrupt their offense" then putting delonte west on their forwards was the dumbest coaching move I've ever seen.. there were also injuries that would have helped deal with dwight so Andy and Z didn't get destroyed every play.. oh well, least we got 1 ring
I don’t think the 2004 Lakers was a failed team. As a Lakers fan, I watched them get unlucky with Karl Malone injuring his knee and was never the same. I truly feel if Malone was healthy then we would be seeing a different outcome.
Of all the Lakers teams on this list, the 2004 team should have been the highest. 98 was a stacked team too, and the others were just bad fits. That 2004 team was destroyed by injuries. IIRC Malone, Kobe, Payton, and Shaq only played 27 regular season games together. In those 27 games, they were spectacular. The opening game of the season was like watching the Globetrotters. That team knew that they were so stacked and nobody cared who shot so they just passed the ball around and steam rolled teams. The games where all 4 of those guys were on the floor were some of the best basketball games that I've ever seen. But the injuries.....Each one of those guys missed like 20 games through out the season and it was never all at once. So 2 or 3 of them would always be on the floor, and every week it would switch out. The chemistry never set in because how the offense was being ran and who was getting the most touches shifted from week to week. To this day, I've never seen a team fluctuate what they do so much and it was all because of injuries. Had that team stayed healthy, they could have won it all, and IMO had the most promise out of all the teams listed except maybe the 98 roster. Kobe was still a year away from being a super star but their bench was deep. Elden Campbell and Derek Fisher were the best bench players at their position in the entire league and they still had B Shaw, Big Shot Rob, and Rick Fox on the bench. Fox, Horry, and Fisher became the starters 2 years later and they 3 peated.
You should have waited a year to make this video though. That way the Suns could have made the list. :-)
Putting the 2022 Nets that high is so dumb lol. With all the injuries to KD, Kyrie missing games and their 3rd. and 4th. best player being injured too.
That's kind of an excuse though, because by the logic of injuries and missed time, almost no team is allowed to be ranked. 2016 Warriors didn't have Bogut and Draymond had a suspension. 04 Lakers had Malone hurt in the finals and Kobe's Colorado trials throughout the season. 13 Lakers were insanely injured, with the Kobe achilles, Dwight shoulder and Pau's foot, etc.
Nash wasn’t in his first year when they lost in round 1. 2021 was his first year