How much of the movie Tombstone was real?
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- Опубликовано: 30 авг 2017
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Wyatt Earp and his brothers, Virgil and Morgan. Doc Holliday. Johnny Ringo. Today they're legends of the wild west, but have you ever wondered how much of the movie Tombstone was accurate? In this audio podcast we'll compare history with Hollywood's version of the western classic. 
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I just watch a lady who was at the Library of Congress who did an In depth study of Josephine Earp. She went to every location that Josephine did. This lady said she was not for sure if she was in the theater group in Tombstone, but she did beleave she was in one at one time. The lady said she talked to a niece of Josephine, and the niece said that she had been in one in the past and even proformed a dance that she used to do on stage. So you might or might not be wrong about this one.
val kilmer best doc holiday ever!! brilliant performance,
Sure he did great job @
The performance was so good that Johnny Depp copied it.
Really? I thought Doc John Henry Holiday was the best Doc Holiday ever.
He should have won an OSCAR!
I’ll be your huckleberry!
The movie was very good. Alas, due to time constraints many exciting and interesting things had to be omitted. Very good movie. Bravo for the work Kurt Russell did to perfect the movie, down to the wool suits Russell made the actors wear. In my humble opinion Val Killer had the best role, and did an exemplary job in playing Doc Holiday.
How do we know? Everybody likes Val's version of Doc Holiday, but how do we know if it was good or not? Maybe Dennis Quaid's version is the best!
@@stevesparks2001 I Thought Dennis Quaid played Doc very well, Val Kilmer's performance was too romantic and wasn't sick in every scene D.Quaid was sick through out the whole movie he played Doc very accurate
Earp's wife didn't pass from typhus. She passed away from Typhoid. This was an epidemic during the late 1800s and early 1900's. It was a very contagious virus that spread quickly throughout households and communities. It's a minor detail, but I was just trying to help. Typhoid killed my Great grandmother in 1919. Thanks for the post.
Doc Holliday....."Yo a Daisy if ya do"💪💪CLASSIC!!
From what I've read there was an abortive deal between Wyatt and Ike Clanton. Ike was to give Wyatt the names of the robbers of the Benson stage earlier in the year. Ike could have the Well Fargo reward money amounting to $3 thousand and Wyatt would get the credit, which would help him in his campaign to become Cochise County sheriff. However the robbers were caught and killed-I think--in another way and the deal fell through. Ike was terrified that word of the deal would get out and he would be seen as a traitor He started drinking continuously and making threats against the Earps and Doc Holliday, a scene which led directly to the gunfight in Fremont St. I guess they left this out of the movie because it showed Wyatt to be more "pragmatic" than they wanted him to appear.
It is pretty much agreed that the Earps and Hollyday went to arrest them and the Cowboys started the fight .Look at the hearings , the coroner agrees .
Ike said that Morgan and Holiday just started shooting !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Are you suggesting that Ike was credible? Hollywood and people speak of events in Tombstone, but not many know or speak at all about "the Cochise County Cowboys" that terrorized, robbed and jumped townsfolk all the time, that made life seriously dangerous for everyone. Ike and family were part of that outlaw gang. There's no reason to believe them.
I have a hard time with the way they depicted Doc Holiday as Johnny Ringo's killer. The history says that Holiday was in Denver, in court. It would be awfully hard for him to be in court in Denver and in Arizona killing Johnny Ringo.
lkyelberg Ringo committed suicide
Doc was fuckin fast, Iky.
Step off.
Read your history. Doc Holliday didn't kill Johnny Ringo. Ringo was found dead in Turkey Creek Canyon, leaning up against a tree, a bullet hole in his head. His death was ruled a suicide, but it will never be known how he was killed. Some people think that he was killed by somebody, maybe Wyatt Earp, but that was never proven.
Earp AND Holiday were too far away (both in Denver ) at the time of Ringo’s murder. The general consensus of that area is that Frank “Buckskin” Leslie killed Ringo in retaliation for losing big time to him at cards. Lost his money , pocket watch and boots ! Leslie was also reportedly looking for Ringo before he was murdered !
@@thomasromano9321 I read, years ago, that locals at the time all said that "Buckskin Frank Leslie " killed Johnny Ringo over gambling debts, check the records, the found dead in tree is true as well as officially ruled a suicide, I believe.
One fact not emphasized here was that of all the shoot outs and gunfights in all his days, Wyatt never suffered so much as a scratch from a bullet! He had, had his saddle horn shot out from under his hand and his heel shot off his boot, bullet holes in his hat and duster, but never a scratch on his body!! They say fear was not a factor of Wyatt Earp !!
Always a fan of history. Bin to Tombstone twice and totally enjoyed this podcast. Thanks.
Doc Holliday was only ever 100% confirmed to have killed one person, which was Tom McClaury at the OK Corral. There isn't a single legal document or witness that ties him conclusively to any other killing. He DID have a rather lengthy list of arrests however, but mostly for disorderly conduct, weapons violations, and several assaults. In the movie he and Kate are portrayed as a kind of Bonnie & Clyde type couple but in reality they had an extremely volatile relationship and several of his arrests were for beating her up. Virgil Earp actually carried out two of those arrests. Additionally, court records show that he was in court twice on a larceny charge in Pueblo, Colorado around the time of Johnny Ringo's death and was additionally arrested in Denver for vagrancy during the same period. There was also an active warrant for him in Arizona at the time so the likelihood that he would have gone back just to kill Ringo is not very good. The touching death bed moment between Wyatt and Doc never happened either. There actually wasn't a hospital in Glenwood Springs so Doc and Kate were staying in a hotel. He and Wyatt had a falling out several months earlier over Wyatt's relationship with Josephine Marcus. Remember Doc grew up in pre Civil War Georgia and had a huge problem with non white people, Catholics, Jews, etc. and he in no way approved of Wyatt setting up house with a Jewish woman. He would frequently toss around racial slurs when referring to Josephine until Wyatt had enough of it. They did meet briefly in the lobby of Doc's hotel a few weeks before his passing but the nature of the conversation is unknown. Doc Holliday died in his hotel room on November 8, 1887 with Big Nosed Kate by his side.
false: wyatt earp didnt die in the ok corral gun fight , in fact he not even got wounded, that was a thing about him he didnt get wounded in any gunfight along his life
That was the Hedge of God.
Are yu saying in the book he didn’t die ?
@@__.Virtuousbeauty.__ Wyatt Earp didn't die from gun shot. In fact, he had never been shot in his life. He died a natural death.
Everyone knows Wyatt Earp was not killed at the ok corral. But, what most people don't know is for the people who lived at the end of the 19th century, Wyatt Earp was considered a dirty crooked scoundrel. Not because of the ok corral. At that time lots of wild west guys still around with tales of gunfights. Nobody cares. Where Earp earned his reputation, with those people, for being the referee who was part of a fixed boxing match. Fight between Fitzsimmons and Sharkey. Tremendous scandal at the time. He stopped the fight due to a low blow no one saw. He was hated and loathed for that. Gamblers lost money, promoters etc. He then quietly went to California and kept his mouth shut and laid low. Some years later his biography was written. As told by him.
Superbly put together podcast of of the facts about the gunfight at OK corral in Tombstone AZ & the those pivotal events leading up to it Full of facs and factoids to get one to fully understand how it went down& how well the movie did to keep it in contrast.
I LOVED the movie and hold it up in very high regard as one of the all time BEST westerns, however, I also realize Hollywood is all about adding their own degree of "artistic licence" added to all movies based on a real event/person, sooo... when I get the opportunity to review about how history really went, AND!! particularly when there is a comparison of the truth vs the movie, then I just love it. This telling of the events comparison is one of the best I've seen. I think watching this just made my appreciation of the movie that much better. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!
It was an enjoyable movie, kind of reminds me of, well, me
David Erlbacher ....yep I hate him.
Reminds me of myself also, I have Wyatts looks and Docs wit and can shoot as well as either plus roping and knife throwing. I may try out for the next movie.
@@spiritualawakenings6251 whooosh
David...
Psssh... You cuff your carrot in front of the mirror, eh?
@@spiritualawakenings6251
You should open a fertilizer stand, with all of that horseshit. 🐎 💩
I don't care what anyone says. Dam good movie val and kurt. The Best!
Fred White actually passed away days after being shot, he wasn't shot in the heart as the movie portrayed but was shot in the groin, knicking his femoral artery and he slowly bled to death...i never understood how the historians that backed the film (which is my favorite western film of the modern era of western films) didn't catch on to that crucial piece of information and made his death so quick and easy...he suffered an incredible amount of pain with the location of his gunshot wound base on the location and no hope of being properly treated as practice wasn't advanced enough to treat Fred properly.
Thanks for sharing that, Elijah!
anytime
This was not added to any of the "Wyatt Earp" movies as a way to save screen time. Movies do not have the luxury of waxing poetic as you would in a book.
@@elijahwilliams1425 He was also half the age of the actor who played him in the movie. Odd casting.
Also Fred wasn't a grizzled oldtimer like in the movie. He was 31-years-old and had been a carpenter by trade with no prior experience as a lawman.
History is Fantastic, loved the research you did.
Several things. Ike Clanton not only survived, so did Billy Claiborne as well. Both were unarmed and fled. Tom McLaury was also found to be unarmed after the fight, despite the Earps and Doc Holliday's claims that he was. It's been theorized that Sheriff Behan took Tom's gun after the fight, but if he did that, then why not take another gun or all of them? Would Johnny Behan have had the presence of mind (not to mention quickness of hand and sheer guts) to conceal an Army Colt revolver as everyone and his brother ran up?
On top of that, there is evidence that Tom McLaury did deposit his revolver at the saloon per the town ordinance. Some claim that after a visit to the town butcher that Tom had a bulge in his pocket and therefore he must've gotten a gun, but the obvious conclusion is that he just bought a steak.
Wyatt said the Cowboy coconspirators took the weapon Tom was supposed to have. If he was unarmed then it would be murder. The only people on the Cowboy's side who had guns were Billy Clanton and Frank McLowery. A note: Tom was 5'3 and Frank was 5'4 inches tall, not tall men compared to the Earps who were 6 feet. Wyatt at different times gave different versions and was not consistent all the time.
"Tom Mix Wept" That part makes me weep.
whats the Mummy obsession?
Yeah you noticed that too. Same thing goes with the The Joker. Just saying. Have a great day everyone.
I read that Tom Mix attended the funeral of Earp and that he was seen to be crying with grief.
Really? You read that or you heard it at the end of tombstone?
As I understand it Virgil Earp later became the sheriff of San Bernardino, during the late 1880's the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railroad was starting to build their trans-continental rail line into California and the Southern Pacific Railroad did not like the idea of having any competition in their budding rail monopoly in California and as such hired Wyatt Earp along with a few other gun slingers and strong men at the time to stop the Santa Fe from building their tracks. From what I have come to understand Wyatt decided not to involve himself with the matter partly due to the fact that his brother was the Sheriff in the area where the conflict was occurring and by his backing out along with a ruling from a judge the Southern Pacific Railway proved unsuccessful in their attempt to stop the progress of the Santa Fe and the line was completed in the early 1890's. The line went from Chicago to San Diego over the Cajon Pass.
Neither Doc Holliday nor Wyatt was injured in the O.K. Choral fight...Wyatt and Doc were close friends
It does get very cold in Tombstone. My wife and I have been there in the winter many times. We woke up one morning to a thick layer of snow on everything.
About 9 years ago, Tombstones thermometer 🌡 dropped below zero for the first time in recorded history.
Wyatt Earp III was in the film Tombstone...
Well presented and informative.
Also, I love reading about the old west and I've read and again this is what I've read, that Wyatt was closer to Bat Masterson as opposed to Doc Holliday.
Hey Dan, Arizona Highway Magazine published an article about Mattie (Wyatt Earp' s common law wife) and the article stated that Mattie died in Globe, AZ.
Narrator, we do know what happened at the watering hole between Earp and Curly Bill Brocius. Did you read biographical material about Wyatt Earp? Earp didn't walk into the water towards Brocius at all. He was struggling with his horse, trying to get his twelve-gauge out while Brocius was walking towards him, firing his shotgun, which miraculously didn't hit Earp. All of the members of Wyatts group, including Doc Holliday, had fled the scene when the firing from Behan's posse began, leaving Earp to fend for himself. (You won't see that in any Hollywood movie). The other members meanwhile in Sheriff Behan's posse were firing at Earp, and all their shots missed. Earp drew a pistol and fired it, hitting Johnny Barnes, who later died of his wound. Somehow Earp was able to finally get his shotgun out, took aim at Brocius, and fired, hitting Brocius squarely in the chest..
I want to commend you on this podcast. I agree 100%. I have read Casey’s book a few years ago. I would also read “Lady at the OK Corral, by Ann Kirschner. She also has a couple of lectures about Josephine
"I know,..................let's have a spelling contest" (Doc Holliday to Ike Clanton)
Excellent job, fascinating
The gun fight was over an agreement between Wyatt and Ike. Wyatt knew Ike would know who helped rob a stagecoach that ended in the death of the person riding shotgun. Wyatt promised Ike the reward money but Wyatt didn't catch them. Ike got paranoid that Wyatt would talk and Ike would be killed by the Cowboys for his betrayal but Wyatt kept his mouth shut. Ike then got drunk and started threatening the Earps. That is what led to the gunfight at the OK Corral. Johnny Behan was paid off by the Cowboys and was a criminal. True Wyatt and his brothers walked a fine line but still wanted law and order.
great video thanks for sharing
The best book that I have come across is called And Die in the West by Paula Mitchell Marks. It's excellent. I was obsessed after the movie so I highly recommend it was nominated for a Pulitzer prize. It gives both sides which is the fair and scholarly way. It's also well written not boring.
Great book. Stuart Lake admitted inventing Wyatt's alleged biography as Earp was very close mouthed about his wives and his gambling. Wyatt's last two wives were probably common law.
"Boom " town name came from mining from the dynamite explosions. Not because of a fast town. Old towns became Boom towns as well. Great vid but wrong on that point.
Thanks for watching! That's interesting, I've never seen anything that says "boom town" came from the sound of the dynamite. Everything says it was because of the rapid expansion. For example: www.dictionary.com/browse/boom-town?s=t
Do you have any references that talk about the origins being from the dynamite explosions?
The official definition is as you say, no argument there. I've just talked here-say with some historians that argue that "Boom" was in fact the sound. Who knows, but great vid.
Makes sense. Dynamite does make a big boom! :)
Living in Oklahoma, all the historians I've talked to here use the official definition. Funny thing about words like that, sometimes there can be multiple meanings.
Skip forward to 3:00 to avoid some diatribe about the Mummy.
Doc Holiday did not die in a sanctuarium, it was a boarding house.
The hotel Glenwood!
i think that you did an excellent job of finding the facts here for only having had eight hours to find as much truth as possible you told a more complete version of events than i have ever found .and answered all of the questions that motivated me to watch your video in the first place.wonderful job !!! oh and cap demo 1 is an idiot exactly what details does he think needed to be included all of there childhood years ya that makes sense,if your gonna make negative comments about someones work it would help if you were a little more specific about what the details are that you think needed to be included
Thank you very much for the kind words, Steve! I'm happy you enjoyed it!
I would like to have heard their actual voices. I would also like to have heard how they spoke, what their accents sounded like. Did they curse a lot for instance. Also, I read that Virgil was a pretty dangerous guy, I wonder how true that is.
man, Russell looks like the real Earp!
John Wayne actually based the way he walked and talked by imitating Wyatt Earp. He knew Wyatt when he was young and used to bring him coffee. How awesome is that?
So Wyatt Earp walked like he had really bad hemorrhoid's and talked like a man with a brain injury?
@@FelixstoweFoamForge If John Wayne ever met him Earp he would have been 70. If Wane going by Marion at the time ever did know Earp. It's rumored to be nothing but an embellishment of an actor.
Bottom line: Earp and Wayne never met. Anything Wayne knew about the real Earp came to him secondhand from John Ford during their 25-year working relationship. Their encounter is only a charming Hollywood fable.
So what your saying after bloviating for so long is that the movie is pretty accurate.
tombstone is not completley historicaly accurate.
wyatt had wrote his lbiography because he wanted his life story told correctly. and only he could do that.at that time he was in california as the movie bussiness had started and he also needed money and he tried to see if he could find a movie company that would be interested in filming his life story and use his biography as a film script for it.he had no luck his biography was printed up as he orded just a small amount.no body wanted to by them.only sold two or three and he finally gave away most of them .it was published aroud. 1923.i happened to find one in nashville tennessee flea market.at first wasnt sure what it was.but as i read it i realised what it was.as i did read that part of what i had heard about his life.then later i saw the movie wyatt earp staring kevin coster.i was astounded as the movie was excatly as wyatts book every thing correct to what his biography contained.thats the one that is completiy historicaly correct.later as i am in the music bussiness in nashville tennessee igot booked in tombstone.loved it.also had meeting with chamber of commerce they told me that they were wanting to do a project to raise money to repaire the old wooden boardwaks as state said repair or take them up and destroy.so we worked a deal with chamber of commerce as iwrote a song about the history of the boardwalks.then met a bussiness man from victorys secrets cothing line from california.he also aggreed to put up money to record my song and pay band and me then chanber of commerce filned a music video on the song and we agreed to partner with chamber of commerce to sell music tape of song inchamber of commerce and also music video and i agreed to be in chamber of cmmerce on allenstreet and sell and autograph tapes and also music videos.also did concert show there at big nose kates saloon.while in chamber selling tapes i got to sell three tapes to kevin coster and his two sons.also also autugraped them forthem..
It’s called history, genius. We _want_ to hear him “bloviate” about all the minor details. That’s the entire point.
Ringo , you look as if someone just walked over your grave!!! Classic line 🤣😂👍 thanks for the facts n hard work!!
It's part of my job I service some of the hotels near Tombstone and have been there maybe 50-60 times spoken to a lot of the people there and I've done a lot of studying about the gunfight begin list it does take place in the alley behind the okay Corral but directly behind it from 5 doors down there's a gate that goes from the lot into the Corral and right next to it is flies photo studio some of the inaccuracy in the shootout story ends pretty much of agreed that Virgil Earp ask them for their guns and started to pull their guns out and you heard two clicks which historians agree was probably Doc Holliday would back up a couple of steps and it caught the two barrels on a shotgun at no time did Ike Clanton start shooting from flies Studio Movie shows Frank McCleary being shot in the forehead and falling down dead and reality he was walking towards Doc Holliday holding his horse when he was shot in the temple all over most likely died instantly he continued to walk out on to Fremont Street where he collapsed dead Billy Clanton also didn't die in the alley but had walked out on the Fremont Street and died there Tom McCleary was actually not just a shot in the belly like it shows on the chest what was reaching for his rifle from The holster along side of it and the horse bucked up and when it did in the left side of the chest also the movie shows the Earth's wearing holsters they did not affect they carry their guns and their pockets of their coats Virgil Earp did carry a cane and although Doc Holliday had two double barrel shotgun he also had that when they arrived they would displaying no weapons also the Cowboys did not wear red sashes they were a criminal group they didn't want to wear something I was going to make them all stand out
Actually some historians say Wyatt and Doc were in Denver when Ringo died, a three week ride. Also, locals add some details not mentioned here. According to them, Ringo's paints were down as he was over the log. In his hand was not what he was known to carry. So I say no to suicide, yes to murder but not by Wyatt or Doc. The movie was very entertaining but we perhaps will never know the whole truth. I love Kurt Russell but Val Kilmer stole the show.
Oh, if Big Nose Kate is available... I may be in for a game.
Another discrepancy is in the movie the Earps are playing pool and Milt Joyce is the bartender. Joyce was actually @ the oriental saloon. And as you know they played pool @ Campbell & Hatch
Good stuff, , ,,thank you for the video, and your dedication to the topic, The story 'Wyatt Earp' seems to run parallel to the truth, but the subtle nuances escape my grasp. Thanks again.
Excellent production!
Glad you enjoyed it, thank you!
Maverick had a lock on Johnny ringo but iceman stared death down an let colt do its job
There is so much conjecture about the O.K. Corral that I guest a person would have to cover and include alot of info. that may or may not be pertinent; I enjoyed the trip just the same.
Thanks Earl! There certainly was a lot to sift through...clearly, as evidenced by the comments here, there's no way to make everyone happy, but I'm glad you enjoyed the trip! :)
This was nothing but "click bait"! So much time spent on other movies in the beginning that had no connection to Tombstone. Won't watch any future videos by this moron!
Hi Alan,
Sorry you feel that way. It certainly wasn't intended to be click bait. I always start every episode with a bit of trivia about the movie itself before getting into the history behind it. So if you made it past the first two minutes of trivia about the man who wrote the movie Tombstone and some of his other movies, you'd find the other 52 minutes of the episode were all about Tombstone.
Preferred game wasn't faro, it was poker
I don't know what's more entertaining, the documentary or the "Joe X. Pert" commentaries. lol.
I'm your huckleberry.
Kevin Jarre was a great writer and wrote the screenplay for Tombstone.
I moved to Tucson in Jan of 1976 and we had enough snow to build a snowman! I've pics of this! I left in May but my friends told me that summer was cold too! I'm considering returning?
It was directed by Kurt Russell.
ThoughtsInTime
In reality yes, but someone else's name is listed as director, Cosmatos or something similar.
I saw your podcast, and read some of your reviews, btw Dan. great responses to the people that took a personnel attack and didn't like your video. I however loved it. I would like to add that Morgans wife Louisa Earp was already living with her in-laws in San Bernardino when Morgan was killed. Good job, and haters for some reason have to hate and make themselves look bigger by attacking others because that's all they have in life....
In reality, only Wyatt was unharmed at the end of the shootout at O.K corral.
I believe he was the only one who didn't move around too. If so, that's both incredible and informative.
@@TheBatugan77 I watched a documentary video on the gunfight at the ok corral and it said that out of all of the Earp Brothers and Doc Holliday, it was Doc Holliday that done the most moving around during the gunfight. Not sure how they came to that conclusion though.
@@plymouthduster2252 Doc was still recovering from a gun shot wound in his leg, doubt he would be moving a lot. Fight only lasted about 30 seconds.
You really made me sad for Morgan's death .
Why Ike, whatever do you mean?
Deadwood is right up there with the movie Tombstone in terms of western popularity
Thanks for posting, I actually find the truth more interesting than any movie! How about doing John Wesley Hardin, or Black Bart?
It's also true that Earp's reputation came about because he rarely carried a gun. He considered "gunslingers" to be cowards at heart. He would approach an armed suspect, pull the weapon from the guy's holster and bitch slap him with it. He was a tough guy's tough guy That's what made him infamous in his day before Tombstone. He was all for gun control.
Morgan Earp was the Earp brother who was targetted..he was gunned down while shooting billiards.
Virgil Earp was shot in the shoulder& lost the use of his right arm..
This was after the gunfight at the ok corral..
Doc Holliday stabbed the gambler who called him a cheater...
He didn't shoot him
Like Wyatt Earp and his common law wife Matty
Well you had a 50-50 chance of getting it correct and you missed! Virgil was shot in his LEFT arm!
Elevation of Tombstone is over 4,500 feet. It gets DAMN cold 🥶 there in the Winters.
One of the final scenes was a complete fairy tale. Weather in doc Holliday was in Colorado at the time that John Ringo was murdered shot from ambush. He had been drinking and him and Frank Leslie had words because John Ringo asked him if he ever shot anyone that was looking at him. Right before Ringo's body was found buckskin Leslie was looking for Ringo and everyone in Arizona knows that buckskin Leslie killed Ringo. It damn sure was not wyatt or doc Holliday because there's newspaper accounts that twice he backed them down after the ok corral. Johnny Ringo like Tom McLaughlin and Billy Clinton so he was trying to get even with him and Wyatt Earp went back in the salon and backed down so he could drink coffee to steady his nerves. And karma happened in the twenties where Wyatt Earp was having to make friends for food. In a way it was very sad he had simply outlived his time.
All of it, even the cut scenes
Hang on, this timeline thing is a bit unfair! In a movie you only have two hours to go into events happening over a period of years, so you have to concertino them a bit! You can't exactly say "So Wyatt sat around twiddling his thumbs for several months until so and so happened to turn up"?
Dramatically it does not work! 😊😊😊
Some great period lines and great acting,but there is a lot of history left out I f the movie. First,all 5 Earp brothers were in Tombstone along with Bat Masterson ( not addressed in the movie) Val Kilmer d I d a great acting but the Real Doc Holliday was a horrible shot, not the deadly gunfighter. John Biehm had and an after with Josephine and actually married her. That is one of the reasons she came to Tombstone... The Earp vendetta was also followed by a posse led by Biehm to capture the Earps. Also, the Earps and Doc Holliday were arrested for murder after the gunfight., but the judge dismissed the case.... It was a trutue to Harry Carrie Jr, John Wayne side kick,but Marshall Fred White was. Only 32 years...
In September of 1857 a ship carrying gold to New York that would have saved the banks went down in a hurricane. That pretty much sank the banks as well as the ship. It was called, "The SS Central America". It traveled all along the east coast of the US, Central America, and Cuba for years moving goods and passengers. The gold had come from California and was intended to give new life to the banks that were overextended. So t hat definitely contributed to the recession.
Wyatt was a deacon in Church and when he went to Church he wore his frock coat, yet every time Wyatt is pictured doing anything he is dressed in his Sunday go to Church clothes... Ridiculous to say the least.... They even have him shooting it out at the gunfight near the OK Corral,,,, It was cold that day in October with now flurries, they were wearing mackinaws....
enjoyed this but have been gathering as much info on Ringos death as available for some time. Any historian I've seen admits holliday was not the death dealing pistoleer they make him out to be. In a duel he would most likely have lost to Ringo.
Yeah but other way is better for the movie
Thank you! Excellent!!
Very interesting syopsis
This is just a little nitpicking, but we don't call it "Ok Corral", we call it "The Ok Corral". Just like our freeways, "The I-10 and "The I-17". Oh, and it's not pronounced "Pres-cott", it's "Preszcutt".
Thanks for adding that! It’s so interesting how different regions say things differently!
The dates of different characters is frankly, irrelevant. Historians care, no one else does. Most of these revelations are unimportant to the story, thus these bits were compromised for story telling.
Wyatt was arrested in Peoria Illinois
Lol
My birth city
He had a taste for red light things
bEHAN WAS PRONOUCED "BEEUHN" THIS ARE MANY BOOKS THAT DISCUSSED THIS DEBATED BY MANY AUTHORS AND DISAGREE. THE STORY IS STILL TODAY ARGUED FIERCELY THIS VERY DAY
(real question) How did ''Mrs'' Doc Holiday not contract TB? (subscribed today)
Who says she didn't? Some people that get it donn't show symptoms but would test positive for the virus if tested. People can be hiv positive but never develop full blown aids. Even now with covid same thing some people have it and never know because they are asymptomatic. Or she got real lucky who knows. Also the TB virus can lay dormant like any bomb sometimes its a dud other times it explodes.
And yes just because the virus doesn't affect you means you can spread it to others. Look up typhoid Mary here on the youtubes.
The right to Keep and bear arms/ "arms a weapon of any kind" shall not! be infringed! Who are the real criminals?
Daniel Lee
Arizona was, at the time, a territory not a state. The region was legally in dispute as many native tribes still roamed freely. Others were suppressed for uprisings. The Cowboys were a violent gang akin to organized crime, just as depicted in book and film. The town enacted a law. That law was never legally challenged, which is the only way to get a law validated or overturned. It may have been unconstitutional, but it was never ruled on by the court so, it was at that moment valid, and within the town's prerogative to regulate the carry and possession of weapons in their jurisdiction. It was the Marshall's and deputies' duty to enforce that law. It was the public's obligation to respect said law, until it be withdrawn or overturn. The Cowboys were flouting the law, and they and everyone knew it. If they had been unarmed, there would have been no gun fight. They also could have simply surrendered. It was a misdemeanor. Which is why they probably chose to ignore it.
Common law/God given law says All have the right to be armed. I do not know what happened that day, nor do..... you as to who was armed, who shot first???? I do not know, I do know His Story is written by the victors.....fact is no one has any right to disarm any one that has not committed a crime. I have seen town enacted sudo laws and in most cases it was less than 1% of the town that enacted them!... FACT!!
Please tell us all about reality and how the core con troll system works! LOL/101!
Daniel Lee Having the right to own or carry can and is routinely regulated. Fact. If both sides were not armed, you cannot have a gunfight. You would have an assassination, a murder. Fact. I never said anything about who shot first. Only that all parties were armed. The impetus for the encounter was the cowboys were carrying, and no one ever, has suggested they didn't have and use them.
You say in one breath people have rights to carry, then no one has a right to stop it. Rights are made up by people to justify there actions and choices. Everyone has their views, and the their rights. If the community doesn't want firearms on their streets, what can you do? They would say, we have a right to be safe in our community. You can't beat everyone.
Daniel Lee do you mean like uh naked arms? LOL
I think the movies came as Close as they could to truth with a minor amount of Stretching from books I have read .
Shadow except of course both Holiday and Earp were reports to be in Colorado when Johnny Ringo was killed.
You hear all these things and you realize that , in small ways , the movie is insanely accurate .For example , that round from Johnny's revolver that was fired ? .It appears as being shot after Doc defeats him and right before he collapses .
Johnny Ringo was said by everybody to be the fastest gun in Arizona he would have killed holiday or Wyatt or both as he challenged them numerous times and they turned him down he was murdered by Frank Leslie as he would have killed Frank Leslie to they were seen drinking together all day that day they were also seen by Witnesses quarreling several times one of them Coral led the Leslie shooting Ringo after Ringo ran him off from ambush both Holliday and Wyatt we're way too far away even though it was murdered to be involved
mars and moon aliens saved me this video lol. Just wanted to see if the fight between doc and ringo were real.
The only thing you stated that was true was that Doc And Wyatt was "way too far away". the rest is nonsense. Leslie and Ringo had NOT been drinking together all day, there were no such witnesses. and nothing in Ringo's life or history indicated that he was considered "The fastest gun in Arizona"". being a fast draw was a Hollywood creation, as was Ringo's reputation.. the assertion of Leslie's involvement in Ringo's death only came many years after the event, an came from a 3rd party, who claimed that while he was in prison with Leslie, that Leslie had told him such. But again, there was never any contemporary assertions that Leslie and Ringo had been together or even saw each other the days preceding Ringo's death. All records indicate Ringo had been on a solo drunk for 2 days and was last seen alone. You should not depend on rumors for accurate information. Cite your sources, (writers or historians and their stated sources)
looks like Jeff daniels in Gettysburg
The Iowa axe murder?.... I want to know what happened...
I read the book on wyatt earp and and this movie was pretty accurate
If you haven't listened yet, check out my updated interview with Chris Wimmer about the movie: ruclips.net/video/MMbA9SSFFo4/видео.html
All of it. All of it was real.
How wonderful of you . Thank you so much . I am a faithful fan of Wyatt Eryp
liked and subscribed to hear the true events vs the movie events of a western.. got a 13 hour civics lesson instead.
Morgan earp got shot in the back in tombstone Arizona and Virgil earp lost his arm after he got shot and only wyatt earp survived gun fight at ok corral and doc holiday died from cancer in Colorado 1890 and then wyatt earp Josephine Marcus in new York 1891 and wyatt earp died in 1929 colma California
Virgil did not lose his arm, but had 7 inches of bone removed and is was useless after that.
Did the earps murder those cowboys near the ok corral? Hell yeah and glad they did. Those guys went looking for doc Holliday as he rented a small studio next door to the corral. The Earp group followed them to the rear of the corral.
in regards to the OK Coral shootout, this movie is the most accuate, from what I've read from the Tombstone Epitaph (the local newspaper) and the eyewitnesses at the Earp's trial. Just as today, the democrats lied and cheated to try and take over the town. Fun Fact(s).....My grandmother's sister married an Earp back in the early '30's and her son, Hobart Earp, used to pal around with my dad as they were growing up together in Des Moines Iowa. Hobart used to fly from Ontario, CA down to Tombstone every August to portray his grand uncle at their annual OK Coral shootout for all us tourists. The movie was the most interesting portrayal of the whole Tombstone account, and highly enteraining.
William they tell you the "Truths" in print at End of Movie. Duh! I love this movie so much, saw it for the 1st time 4/18, 24 yrs later. Also I keep searching tvtv.us "see listings" to see if it will be on again in next 7 days. I use tvtv.us Everyday to see whats on my Nursing Homes LIMITED Channels. Need Transplant. This place Sucks!
Billy Claiborne was drinking for a couple of days to build up courage because Frank Leslie was an accomplished gunfighter in his own right even though he was no match for Ringo anyway when Claiborne build up enough courage he called Leslie out and he pulled on Leslie but he wasn't fast enough and Leslie shot him his last words where heard by dozens of people he said Leslie shot Ringo from ambush I seen him do it you ask anybody in Arizona and nine out of 10 of them will tell you Leslie kill Ringo no one will say Wyatt or doc or anybody else doc was quite simply a homicidal maniac neither one of them would even clear leather in a fight with Ringo
I know Johnny Dingo wasn't killed in a straight up gun fight. He was more or less assassinated with a rifle from a distance. But specifically WHO did it is uncertain ...
Ringo committed suicide. as boring as that is, it's the truth.
Maybe Johnny Dingo was killed by Australian Aborigines!
Red sash stuff invented by screenwriter who said he wanted a way for them to stand out in crowd scenes. Eyewitnesses say doc stood in one spot during whole fight did not run amok with pistols. Earp always called it a street fight and it only lasted thirty seconds at most. Alleged ride of the immortals cost Wyatt his badge because he didn't have warrants for most of the cowboys he killed. Doc died alone in a hotel room. He and Wyatt had stopped speaking because Doc dud t approve of Josie being a Jew. Wyatt learned of Docs death by reading about it in a Denver newspaper. He did not write a book about Doc and his true best friend was Bat Masterson
No buntline special in Colt catalog till 1957!!!!!
The"truth" is hard to find. There were as many different stories and viewpoints as there were written opinions. There were two factions, so there are two general sides chosen, many of them in the town of Tombstone. Also, the Tombstone Epitaph tended to support the Earp faction and the newspaper the Nugget supported the cowboy faction. Both groups exploited politics and common popularity, the cowboy faction actually being more embedded than the Earp followers were, since they had been involved in Tombstone well before the Earps arrived.
Generally, the Earps were not a pure group of nice folks. In the late 1920s, Wyatt Earp dictated a gushing account to the author Stuart Lake, creating the initial Hollywood golden boy image.
For example, on the other side of the story, Mattie Blaylock and Virgil Earp's wife contributed to something of a rebuttal of Wyatt's good reputation, claiming the Earp's, especially Wyatt were really scammers and con artists, even becoming involved with con schemes, with the use of fake mine claims and employing false testimony and even wigs and disguises. Out of all the different people's stories, we simply can't easily glean the truth.
As far as any of them, on either side being quick-draw artists, this is doubtful. Wyatt was a good shot, who always kept his cool, shooting wisely, rather than in a hurry, which worked very well for him. He was never wounded in any of the gun play, a sign also of some luck. Most six guns weren't easy to be accurate with, never making pinpoint shots, as Hollywood would like us all to believe. As far as Holliday's reputation, he was not considered a fast draw or a good shooter. He was on the wrong side of the law over several incidents in his career, which has been corroborated by official law office records. While in Tombstone, before the famous OK corral incident, Holliday was the chief suspect in the holdup of the Bisby stage, in which the shotgun guard, Bud Philpot was shot and killed. At that time, Holliday was not in Tombstone and had actually rented a very fast horse during that time. So...who knows? Keep reading all the different stories written by all the people who were most involved. You will find out much reasonable evidence, meanwhile you will be much entertained to learn interesting lore of the times of Tombstone in that era.
Bisbee, not Bisby.
Wyatt lived almost another 50 years after the events of Tombstone movie, I've concluded that he and his brothers are generally painted as the good guys of the Tombstone stories because he outlived nearly everyone involved, and he told his stories either directly to people who went on to write western movies, or to publications read by people who went onto write the westerns.
Had he died 15 years earlier, who knows? Maybe we'd be more sympathetic to the Clantons.
@@75aces97 Wyatt was knocked out by a city marshal in Alaska and thrown in jail for public drunkenness'.
Grade B++
2 interesting bits that were briefly mentioned in the movie that were actually true statements. When they all met in Tombstone and the name Cowboy was mentioned, Virgil stated he had a run in with a couple of them in Prescott. That's actually true. Before he left on his way to Tombstone Virgil was asked to help apprehend a couple of Cowboys while in Prescott. It's said he shot one of them.
The second interesting quote when they met in Tombstone is when Wyatt asks Doc "how the hell are ya" and Doc says "Wyatt I am rolling." Doc is referring to his time in Prescott where he stayed behind because he was on a gambling winning streak. It's said that he won something in the neighborhood of $40,000 in Prescott before leaving for Tombstone and this is the reason he arrived in Tombstone a little later than the Earps. None of this has anything to do with the events in Tombstone but I find it interesting that they briefly mentioned it in the movie. You would have had to of known the history of Virgil and Doc before Tombstone to understand it.
Yeah but Tombstone the movie was Hollywood
Wyatt Earp was more as Tombstone was in the 1880s My great uncle Orlando. Thompson was in and around Tombstone during
the Earps time in Tombstone i have letters and photos of his life in Toumbstone and Southern Arizona... that were sent home to grandma Sarah Moore Thompson
he ran a mule train into Tombstone delivering consumer items
including a grand piano for the birdcage..
the silver strike in the local mountains...
kicked off the mass population boom...in Tombstone
The Movie Wyatt Earp was more realistic to time
after the civil war exodus across to the West....