Discontinuous vs Continuous Conduction Mode

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  • Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024

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  • @friedmule5403
    @friedmule5403 5 лет назад +9

    I do really like how you are teaching, first a basic on paper where we learn what are supposed to happen and what to look for and most important why. Then the scope where we now understand what it all means still combined with your detailed explanations! :-)
    What I think could drive the nail trough would be that you ended this series by a "build with me" series, that goes trough what we know, plus what you considers when designing a power supply. :-)

    • @KissAnalog
      @KissAnalog  5 лет назад +2

      Fried Mule Thank you Fried Mule! I appreciate you! There is one more important concept I need to introduce, then we will be ready to go thru a design;)

  • @andyj2106
    @andyj2106 5 лет назад +2

    Hi Eddie. At 22:53 it's showing 13A Pk-Pk ripple which is quite a lot isn't it? You mentioned 100W - so at approx. 20V, that 13A ripple is riding on top of around 5ADC? Is that an indicator of a mis-sized inductor and/or output capacitance? I would assume that you would normally size the inductor/capacitor as a trade-off between minimising ripple but handling transient load in a responsive way? I think this is where it gets really complicated!!
    I presumed that on mine (buck, not boost), where I fitted a 50nF inductor instead of 50uF, that it was working hard to get out of discontinuous operation in order to meet the feedback voltage requirement from the load, that was causing large ripple which blew my linear regulators but also was working the high-side Mosfet so hard it rapidly overheated and blew as well.
    I've been looking at current probes recently but haven't taken the plunge yet - that Tektronix is going to be some expensive piece of kit, albeit with good specs. It will be interesting to see the difference in output.

    • @KissAnalog
      @KissAnalog  5 лет назад

      Andrew Johnson Thanks Andrew! I have one more important topic to present, then we’ll design a converter going over the trade offs. I think you have a great idea of things to come. I’ll post the video with the tech probe very soon.

  • @buffplums
    @buffplums 3 года назад +1

    Very interesting chap this is exactly what I’m getting but didn’t understand what was happening. Thanks buddy great job!

    • @KissAnalog
      @KissAnalog  3 года назад

      Thank you! I appreciate you!

  • @alisyal9570
    @alisyal9570 3 года назад +3

    Adding capacitor on load and switching will be more informative 👌

  • @SylasWojciechowski
    @SylasWojciechowski 4 месяца назад +1

    What changes physically in the circuit to cause the change from CCM to DCM? Is it just a change in duty cycle? Very informative. Better than any college level course.

    • @KissAnalog
      @KissAnalog  4 месяца назад

      Thanks so much!! I have multiple videos on PFC conversion - and some will show why the CCM vs DCM. Here is one: ruclips.net/video/vAiJ0bZ1Usw/видео.html

  • @blackkedrick
    @blackkedrick 5 лет назад +2

    Is there such a thing as a swinging inductor to widen the range where it stays continuous? I know in filters they do swinging chokes

    • @KissAnalog
      @KissAnalog  5 лет назад

      Kedrick Black Kedrick - that is a very intriguing question! But a swinging choke lowers in inductance with higher current when for a boost improvement, we would want it to increase in inductance to build stored energy.

    • @blackkedrick
      @blackkedrick 5 лет назад +1

      @@KissAnalog haha. Ya that makes sense. I've been out of the game for too long

    • @KissAnalog
      @KissAnalog  5 лет назад

      No - I know you are a gamer;) that was a great idea - it got me thinking...

  • @Scrogan
    @Scrogan 2 года назад

    If the duty-cycle in CCM remains approximately constant, how does the controller increase or decrease the output power? Is the duty-cycle making minute changes that result in significant changes to the DC current?

  • @SUDHIR19841
    @SUDHIR19841 3 года назад +1

    Wow ... very nicely explained the Boost working ... really helpful. Thanks for the video. Subscribing you to learn more ...

    • @KissAnalog
      @KissAnalog  3 года назад

      Thank you for that great feedback! I appreciate you!

  • @versace885
    @versace885 5 лет назад +1

    Hi Eddie this is a great video. Great information. Thanks you.

  • @alisyal9570
    @alisyal9570 3 года назад +1

    Thanks for practical demonstration

    • @KissAnalog
      @KissAnalog  3 года назад

      You bet - and thank you for your feedback!

  • @kaletsugas
    @kaletsugas 4 года назад +1

    Great video very informative. Thanks
    Is there a way to lessen that ringing? Adding capacitors or other parts?

    • @KissAnalog
      @KissAnalog  4 года назад +1

      Great question - and yes we can clean that up. I’ve been hoping to get to that soon. Thank you!

    • @kaletsugas
      @kaletsugas 4 года назад

      @@KissAnalog Yeah after some googling I read about this snubbers that can be used to dampen the ringing, adding a clamp will also lessen. Cant wait for your next teaching videos. Thanks

    • @KissAnalog
      @KissAnalog  4 года назад

      That's true - I should do a video on that very subject - the difference of a snubber and clamp - and how to design them - using the Kiss method of course;). Let me know what you think.

    • @kaletsugas
      @kaletsugas 4 года назад +1

      Sounds great! Looking forward to that video while I'm locked at home due to the quarantine. Thanks

    • @KissAnalog
      @KissAnalog  4 года назад

      Thanks Joey!

  • @johnaweiss
    @johnaweiss Год назад +1

    8:20 Is this the circuit for Discontinuous or Continuous mode? Or both?

    • @KissAnalog
      @KissAnalog  Год назад +1

      Thanks for asking! At this point the schematic/s are for both. It depends on the current needed and the inductor value used.
      Let me know if I should do another video in a different way to explain this.
      I also plan to offer written descriptions and equations needed to design for either. What do you think of this?

    • @johnaweiss
      @johnaweiss Год назад

      @@KissAnalog I think you should add a caption to this video, that says "the schematic/s are for both CCM and DCM. It depends on the current needed and the inductor value used."
      Please tell me what is the time-position in this video where you explain how mode depends on current and inductor. Cuz i don't understand that.
      I come to youtube for videos, not written explanations.
      But do put the formulas in the video description.
      Thx!

  • @gurmukhsingh8190
    @gurmukhsingh8190 2 года назад +1

    Brilliant explanation thank you :)

    • @KissAnalog
      @KissAnalog  2 года назад +1

      Thanks so much! I appreciate you!

  • @jamessutcliffe5986
    @jamessutcliffe5986 2 года назад +1

    Great video, keep up the good work

    • @KissAnalog
      @KissAnalog  2 года назад

      Thanks so much! I appreciate you!

  • @davidluther3408
    @davidluther3408 5 лет назад +2

    YOU NEED TO ELABORATE MORE ON THIS.I AM NOT CLEAR ON THIS SUBJECT.WHAT IS THE OBJECTIVE AND/OR,POINT?ARE YOU SAYING YOU ARE GETTING CONSTANT CURRENT ACROSS THE LOAD WITH CONTINIOUS CONDUCTION?

    • @KissAnalog
      @KissAnalog  5 лет назад +3

      Thanks David - I'll do a summary video to pull all this together. Let me know whatever specific questions that you may have. I appreciate this feedback!

  • @gopalakrishnanbhaibhai4730
    @gopalakrishnanbhaibhai4730 3 года назад +1

    Very informative, thanks.

    • @KissAnalog
      @KissAnalog  3 года назад

      You're welcome! And thank you for the nice feedback!

  • @abberdakas6294
    @abberdakas6294 2 года назад +1

    Great video friend!

  • @TYGAMatt
    @TYGAMatt 3 года назад +1

    Can you show the loop around the inductor in more detail please

    • @KissAnalog
      @KissAnalog  3 года назад

      Thanks for this question! Yes, I'll be doing something like this very soon and I'll be sure it is easy to see;)

    • @TYGAMatt
      @TYGAMatt 3 года назад

      @@KissAnalog thanks. I'm really struggling with buck and boost converters. So will be following along with interest.

  • @adaml52
    @adaml52 5 лет назад +2

    Good information Eddie :)
    ATB Adam

    • @KissAnalog
      @KissAnalog  5 лет назад

      Adam L Thanks Adam - good to hear from you!

  • @pa3eka
    @pa3eka 5 лет назад +2

    Eddy Please Ask GWINSTEK to make a menu in the setup
    where you can choose for bigger fonts
    Like the Rigol.
    I can’t read the measurements on RUclips on your beatiful scope :(
    At home having also the same problems with reading the measurements, and send a message to GWInstek
    I have almost the same GWInstek scope , only 2 channels 70 mc , Waiting now for a New firmware I hope 😀 with the menu
    Your video’s are nice and educational
    Best regards and keep up the good work

    • @KissAnalog
      @KissAnalog  5 лет назад +1

      Thanks Bert - I appreciate you! I'll ask GWInstek about this and get back...

    • @pa3eka
      @pa3eka 5 лет назад

      Kiss Analog Thanks Eddy

  • @moniftormos6881
    @moniftormos6881 2 года назад +1

    Great

  • @jakehealthx
    @jakehealthx 2 года назад +1

    I like that shirt.

  • @coldfinger459sub0
    @coldfinger459sub0 5 лет назад +2

    Understood some of it still be on my pay grade. I have a lot to learn.
    To me with all that ringing it just look like a bad waveform for power.

    • @KissAnalog
      @KissAnalog  5 лет назад

      t lech You’re right it does look bad;) but, I’ll show how we can easily clean it up.