I greatly appreciate ALL of the comments here because you learn just as much from them as from a video. Good to learn what methods are incorrectly executed as well as what to do correctly. Thank you thank you.
Thank you...I've been asking this question for over a week and still came away confused. Most of the time this step was done with no explanation. Supply store said to waterproof first, others said to use thinset first, and you are the only one to say tape first...which makes sense to me just needed to collaborate.
I see a lot tile jobs today where they don't stagger the joints. It's a new look i guess. In the case if the cement board I would have layed it sideways but the why he did it isnt going to hurt anything. Personally I always stagger joints.
no, too many seams. You want to have as little seams as possible, so that water can not penetrate those seams. You should use bigger pieces of jet board or cement board to reduce the amount of seams.
I like the way all the board corners come together, and the boards still have the stickers on them. Even Hardie board which is much stronger tells you to never do that.
Are you trying to get it on the tape or through the tape and deep into the joint? If you want it into the joint would it be better to trowel some in before the tape? Any help is appreciated!
Dude I appreciate the effort. I am a DIYer and I couldn't; even finish watching this video. Please don't waste time and effort posting any additional video tutorials--even I know this is crap way to install thinset cement board.
stagger and place boards with 1/8 gaps in all seams. use caulk at bottom and sides, fyi tile and thinset are not waterproof said he was tiling next i hope not
@@Ryelander007 silicone my man, if you use cement board put vapor barrier first especially if shower is on an outside wall. condensation can form from temp diff. not to mention water does migrate through grout and most tiles. for an affordable look try quick wall over durock, stain or paint or seal after 28 day can have any look or color! one more thing mold can grow on green board fyi
Good job on the video and I'm choosing to believe that no one here was bitten by a radioactive spider that Grant's them ability to walk or crawl on walls. So those non staggered boards will hold up just fine.
You have ZERO idea what you're talking about. If he tiles that, the tile that lands on that 4 corner mark will fall off in a year. Then the rest will slowly follow. Not only is it a weak point, it's a leak point. Do you think people stagger them because it is fun? No, because it is necessary
I believe anything that say commercial property or whatever you have to have the boards land on the studs so it would be impossible to stagger than if you had the wrong spacing on your studs
That is also an ERROR. The instructions on my cement board said to 'tile on the rough side, not the smooth side', and the smooth side is where they put the sticker.
What should you full the joint gaps with? I made a mistake and left 3mm around EVERY board, not just on the edges of the wall joints. What can i fill them with? Too late to re-adjust as they were glued and screwed with puraflex40
They need to take his video off RUclips before someone copies his cement board layout where all the corners meet. He is going to cause a lot of hardship to people that actually follow his method.
@@eldrickejleest you don't 4 pieces to meet together on the same stud. The boards should look more like a "brick" pattern and not a perfect grid..... not sure if I explained that very well
If you don’t believe comments, go to hardibacker web site. They say to stagger joints. This video shows the incorrect way or not recommended by manufacturer. Will it work? Yes. Is it recommended by the people who made the product? No.
I used sanded caulk between the joints first (exterior of a house), then applied the cement board mesh tape. This was for a repair. It’s cracking elsewhere along the seams and allowing water to get in, which is why I decided on this process. Next, I’ll either add the thin set or straight to stucco. Your thoughts?
If you're going to apply mortar to the wall and the back of the tiles, what is the point of cementing over the tape? It will get two layers of mortar when you lay tile.
@@shadygunshow why not ? I did both of my showers that way and haven't had a problem and that was 11 years ago. It's just a preference of technique. That's the way I was taught but I've also put mud on the wall first and the results were the same except buttering I don't make half of the mess and waste less time and material, but that's just my opinion.
No it is not... But the rest of his work sucks, just like your advice, do you work for him? Printed side ALWAYS faces the installer, that is true for every brand of cement board.
THIS IS BAD INFORMATION. This video recommends and shows techniques that DO NOT comply with the manufacturers installation instructions. You can expect product failure if you follow these instructions. For more information review the instructions provided by the manufacturer of the cement board you are using.
Please Take this video down, the money you make from this video is not worth the money other people will lose trying to copy you. People work hard for their money and DIY renovation dreams.
Wow! Annoying! Everyone around me told me to turn off the volume and I had it low! You might want to “tone” it down a bit. Also, make sure to avoid having 4 corners meet.
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Stagger the cement boards never have 4 corners meet
Do you have to do that around corners too, or just on walls?
Don’t the corners of the cement board meet at the corners? I’m messing with you. Staggered is the way to do it correctly.
That was the first thing I noticed.
Jess John you never want 4 corners to meet anywhere. Too much of a risk for movement.
Haha, first thing that came to mind
Wow! I learned a lot from the comments thanks everyone. I guess I would not have learned if the videos wasn't up so thanks to you too.
I greatly appreciate ALL of the comments here because you learn just as much from them as from a video. Good to learn what methods are incorrectly executed as well as what to do correctly. Thank you thank you.
Thank you...I've been asking this question for over a week and still came away confused. Most of the time this step was done with no explanation. Supply store said to waterproof first, others said to use thinset first, and you are the only one to say tape first...which makes sense to me just needed to collaborate.
I see a lot tile jobs today where they don't stagger the joints. It's a new look i guess.
In the case if the cement board I would have layed it sideways but the why he did it isnt going to hurt anything.
Personally I always stagger joints.
This is the best "what not to do " video I have seen on youtube.
Aren't the joints supposed to be staggered?
no, too many seams. You want to have as little seams as possible, so that water can not penetrate those seams. You should use bigger pieces of jet board or cement board to reduce the amount of seams.
Charlie from Always Sunny in Philadelphia
Kitten mittens!
Nonono. David Cross / Tobias from Arrested Development.
I guess he never heard about staggering joints for strength. Do not install Durarock or Wonderboard this way.
I like the way all the board corners come together, and the boards still have the stickers on them. Even Hardie board which is much stronger tells you to never do that.
Thank you
Wowsers stagger the joints dude
dropn loads he ran it up and down instead of horizontal. Maybe no studs to stagger😂
8 inch screw spacing on durock cement board homeslice
Apparently you didn't read the Durock instructions which say to apply thinset first, embed mesh into thinset, and then lightly cover and smooth.
What kind of thin mortar have used on cement board and where to buy it please.
Are you trying to get it on the tape or through the tape and deep into the joint? If you want it into the joint would it be better to trowel some in before the tape? Any help is appreciated!
Tape is sticky so you need to mortar after taping.
Dude I appreciate the effort. I am a DIYer and I couldn't; even finish watching this video. Please don't waste time and effort posting any additional video tutorials--even I know this is crap way to install thinset cement board.
Four corners meeting?
In retrospect, it wasn't the absolute best way to do it, but it's still super strong!
yeah I stopped watching as soon as I noticed that.
clearly he didnt research enough to know to stagger
Never have 4 corner meet it creates a week point
You didn't fill the seam before taping either. That wall has zero strength!
stagger and place boards with 1/8 gaps in all seams. use caulk at bottom and sides, fyi tile and thinset are not waterproof said he was tiling next i hope not
What caulk would you recommend ?
@@Ryelander007 silicone my man, if you use cement board put vapor barrier first especially if shower is on an outside wall. condensation can form from temp diff. not to mention water does migrate through grout and most tiles. for an affordable look try quick wall over durock, stain or paint or seal after 28 day can have any look or color! one more thing mold can grow on green board fyi
When you say to caulk at bottom and sides do you mean at the corners and bottom of cement board or do you mean all seams? thank you
Great tips! What mortar would you suggest? So many out there!
is this video for kids?
Reall...lots of 4 corners, like Hardie sasy NOT to do. So, should I expect you know about tape?
Should you take the stickers off first so the thin set bonds to the cement board better?
Even if you do that , due to weather conditions, when u r using cement board for exterior walls , after few months you will see the joints showing
Good job on the video and I'm choosing to believe that no one here was bitten by a radioactive spider that Grant's them ability to walk or crawl on walls. So those non staggered boards will hold up just fine.
You have ZERO idea what you're talking about. If he tiles that, the tile that lands on that 4 corner mark will fall off in a year. Then the rest will slowly follow. Not only is it a weak point, it's a leak point. Do you think people stagger them because it is fun? No, because it is necessary
If the corners are on a stud it should be fine
I believe anything that say commercial property or whatever you have to have the boards land on the studs so it would be impossible to stagger than if you had the wrong spacing on your studs
I like the stickers left on...
That is also an ERROR. The instructions on my cement board said to 'tile on the rough side, not the smooth side', and the smooth side is where they put the sticker.
What should you full the joint gaps with? I made a mistake and left 3mm around EVERY board, not just on the edges of the wall joints. What can i fill them with? Too late to re-adjust as they were glued and screwed with puraflex40
They need to take his video off RUclips before someone copies his cement board layout where all the corners meet. He is going to cause a lot of hardship to people that actually follow his method.
Thanks for the tutorial! Exactly which thinset mortar did you use? There’s so many out there!
Ít can not use for outdoor, you should use special latex motar
You should fill the joint before taping and stagger the joints.
The tape has adhesive so you cannot stick it to wet mortar. Need to mortar after taping.
@@TheEmeraldNight for a strong, long lasting joint, you fill it, level off, add tape then coat again for your first mudding.
stagger your joints - always.
YEP!!!
@@RA82828 sorry pal but you're wrong. Every manufacturer of cement board clearly state that four corners should never meet.
I'm sorry but all the comments said to stagger the corner? What does that mean?
@@eldrickejleest you don't 4 pieces to meet together on the same stud. The boards should look more like a "brick" pattern and not a perfect grid..... not sure if I explained that very well
@@aimeem2947 thank you. I understand now.
I am liking this video only because the comments are extraordinarily helpful-- PLEASE READ all the Comments!! Lee C.
Stagger, stagger, stagger !
After reading all the comments I would of done his way...thanks to those experienced commentor...
Can I use unmodified, thin set to do that tape joints?
Stagger those seams man!!!
I like the tiles on your shirt, were did you get them?
Internet best place for bad info. Priceless
Can you use joint compound on this if you only want to paint and texture
Remember to remove the stickers from the cement board since they impede adhesion.
Four corner joints?
Is this a saturday night live skit?
Your supposed to stagger the joints buddy…
So, do you apply the waterproof membrane over this?
Yes, two thin and even coats
You obviously did not read the manufacturers install instructions.
tq
If you don’t believe comments, go to hardibacker web site. They say to stagger joints. This video shows the incorrect way or not recommended by manufacturer. Will it work? Yes. Is it recommended by the people who made the product? No.
My tile guy did not apply thinset, does it really matters? He only use mesh tape for joints and then apply water proof which filled the joints….
This guy 😂😂 example of why u can’t trust everything u hear
Simple video, but exactly what I needed. Thanks!
Thank you Commenters.
Looks like he was short on screws also. Haha
Um don't you morder under the tape?
Why didn't you use your right hand?
You make very helpful videos. Very easy to follow and understand thanks
I used sanded caulk between the joints first (exterior of a house), then applied the cement board mesh tape. This was for a repair. It’s cracking elsewhere along the seams and allowing water to get in, which is why I decided on this process. Next, I’ll either add the thin set or straight to stucco. Your thoughts?
Good
If you're going to apply mortar to the wall and the back of the tiles, what is the point of cementing over the tape? It will get two layers of mortar when you lay tile.
You also don't know what you're doing. Never back butter your tiles.
@@shadygunshow why not ? I did both of my showers that way and haven't had a problem and that was 11 years ago. It's just a preference of technique. That's the way I was taught but I've also put mud on the wall first and the results were the same except buttering I don't make half of the mess and waste less time and material, but that's just my opinion.
@@shadygunshow if you want 100% coverage on the back of your tile then yes back butter. more so for heavy large tiles
Just wondering you installed your backer board back side out. Printed side is the back.
The smooth side is for mastic. The rough (printed) side is for mortar. His backer board is facing the correct way in the video.
No it is not... But the rest of his work sucks, just like your advice, do you work for him?
Printed side ALWAYS faces the installer, that is true for every brand of cement board.
I had nightmare exactly the same as this video.
Please nobody do it like this
Is this video a "How NOT to do seams on cement board" ???
How not to cement board period I think.
I tried putting that darn tape on in the stupid stuff would not stay on so I had to put mud on and then the tape and mud over it again!
Rookie job
Too many mistakes to mention
Do you have a video on how to do the corners?
Awesome video. Thanks a lot.
Please don't do it like this. Your wet room tiles will crack and fall apart in the space of a year.
If you don't stagger the joints then you'll have one long continuous crack
THIS IS BAD INFORMATION. This video recommends and shows techniques that DO NOT comply with the manufacturers installation instructions. You can expect product failure if you follow these instructions. For more information review the instructions provided by the manufacturer of the cement board you are using.
Exactly. Thank you.
Keep those dislikes coming people, you’re almost beating the likes, lol
joint putty name
Buy 3x6 and run long ways
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I find my plan manager question everything. Drives me mad. Manage yourself
The maker of this video should call himself- DIY Non-Helpful DIY
I'm giving a thumb up anyway.
Wow i am a weekend project guy and i even know Never have 4 corners meet. Is this a joke?
Every inside corner joint has 4 corners that meet dumbass lol...
Holys*** you never stagger your joints. It will be fine. I did the same mistake the first time I built a house.
Four corners...water resistance is futile!!
That was the worst mudding job I've ever seen by a trainer but what would a drywall finisher know
Your stroke went maybe 4 inches. It should go 3 feet
Meant to have more mortar and tile over. No need for a paint finish.
For the deaf? What did he take before filming.
Ever heard Songs for the deaf? Look it up.
He sounds like the Rabbi from Seinfeld.
and you taped over the label (dumb) and you should put the morar inside the joints first...not just tape and then mortar.
Really?
please !!! not how to install sheets and finish joints
Please Take this video down, the money you make from this video is not worth the money other people will lose trying to copy you.
People work hard for their money and DIY renovation dreams.
All those weak spots
COULD YOU SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER?
This guy talks (yells) so funny
STOP YELLING lol
His voice is high and whiny enough in person, but in a big echo chamber shower...wow!
Oh dear
Wow!!!! That’s all I have to say… 😑
Stagger the boards,
this guy is goofy as a day is long
Wow! Annoying! Everyone around me told me to turn off the volume and I had it low! You might want to “tone” it down a bit. Also, make sure to avoid having 4 corners meet.
You learn karate from a book?
Dont do this
Please delete this video you're not doing it right.
Hey guys im goofie af
This guy even his voice sounds not real