That’s kinda funny but in sim it’s pretty good, ofc it’s worse than 16C or 15C but it’s very competitive (basically more competitive than old Su-27, F-15A and any 12.0 planes) Same goes for the SMT, it sucked a lot before this update cause every engagement ended in DF so it almost had no chances against any experienced players but rn the SMT is much better in sim than Su-27SM just because it has radar that actually works
@@r.p5380 which ones? R-73’s that can be easily flared even from 0.3-0.4km if they weren’t launched right to the engine? (and spoiler alert - you won’t be able to launch it to the engine in DF cause the SMT loses both 1C and 2C to pretty much any 11.7+ plane unless your opponent is stupid enough to do one of two things - dump all of his speed or overshoot) The SMT always was and remains the worst dogfighter at 11.7BR and higher
The Phantoms truly have a place in my heart. I adore their looks and dynamic (sometimes the lack of the latter). I am glad to see the F-4F ICE but at it's current BR it's not in a good place.
Yeah, this should probably be 12.0. the new British Tornado has AIM-120B's and 9M's, and is at 11.7 (albeit, it is a Tornado and the ONLY thing it can do is launch missiles, then run) so, the Phantom being more maneuverable... Easily 12.0.
@@FeatheredDino I guess looking at it's competition, the Tornado is at least faster than the Phantom. I guess trying a turnfight while in a Phantom is that br nonetheless insane.
It makes me proud as a German to see you fly our F-4F since we affectionately love our old Phantoms here. Some rules, though. Avoid dogfights against 4th gen. You will loose. Against 3rd gen always use the vertical and/or go for a 2 circle fight. The F-4F should be superior to basically all contemporary 3rd gen fighters in a 2 circle because of its superior thrust - stay around Mach 0.8, though. Do not get slow. Never! I want to focus your attention on DCS. We have the new F-4E out and it is glorious. Maybe you want to try it out? It is actually as close as you can get to fly the real jet. The German Luftwaffe took an active part in the development, by the way. So, it might be worth trying it out...I highly recommend it.
This thing needs to be a 12.3. Also, Matt I’m not sure if you or anyone else noticed this but the hanger stat cards show Mach number, gear extension, and flap extension speeds. Kinda neat.
Yeah, sure 😂 Every Aircraft that can carry fox 3 missiles should be at least 1.0 BR higher than they are currently so that they can’t s*** on every other plane that can only carry SARH Missiles. Top Tier Air RB is almost unplayable right now for every plane that cannot use fox 3 missiles.
@@finnm.2582 i agree but there should be a 0.3 gap between f-15C, f-16C, su-27SM and the ice tbf. and for me 12.0 us has had mostly downtiers to 11.3 but that could just be me
Def not 12.0, 12.3 would maybe be acceptable, but poor 11.3 just wouldn’t be able to catch a break. We just need decompression, we should be at 14.0 minimum
@@thunder_98-f2ythe Phoenix is shit, and I’m 99% sure that the lowest br (good) Fox 3 is 12.3, and if it’s not, it needs to be. Don’t fight compression with more and worse compression. I would rather 1 jet struggle in a br bracket than 1 jet destroy another br bracket, and before you cry F15A, it absolutely needs to be 12.7, but I can’t control that.
Tips for any one stock grinding the f4f, go into head on's and lock aircraft and shot a 6-9km yes this is far but with a closing speed of 3m 1 for the aircraft and 2 mach for the missle itself it closes qucikly and it also has a long 60 second flight time plus by the time the gets to the enemy its smokeless and free
The best way is to look at the line the missile draws from itself it its target. At range you’ll notice the line is solid for part of the way and then dotted the rest. The dotted line means the missile is using IOG (its heading to last known position of its target according to what your plane is telling it) when the solid line touches the target the missile is pitbull and acting on its own and no longer needs your planes advice on where to go. That being said if the missile LOSES its target at all and you are still locking/TWS the target the missile will listen to you again and will maneuver to reaquire its target
@@Klaus_Klavier ik what IOG is and thx cause ik how to read radar and all but didn't know for sure what I was looking for to see the missile going active,I used what other guy said the other day and that seemed to work so I'll try this later today but if both are right and tell same thing then that circle should go away right as line touches target then meaning it's active,thx
I dont have a problem with getting the F4F ICE. I have a much bigger problem with not being able to play anything else in top tier because germany only has this 1 ARH missile carrier
As a German I am very happy to hear that someone from that far abroad likes to listen to Major Tom, especially because its the German hymn for the current Euros:) Keep up the videos Mat and greetings from Germany🫡
Its fine at its br, if they balance out fox 3. I think they deleted the multipath completely without ppl noticing, so everyone spends money on grind. Then powercreep gets toned down and its cool again. As always
@@Red_Lion2000Tornado f3 late compared to the ice is faster, Has same missiles and a LOT more countermeasures. I'd rather fly tornado f3 late than the ice
lol no it isn’t. You could call it 3.5 but it’s only a supersonic multirole fighter. It’s not high efficiency nor is it highly maneuverable. That is the dividing line between 3rd and 4th generation. High efficiency and high maneuverability.
I flew 9 matches with a friend today and 2 of them where 12v12. Especially in the city map, there was a huge extenrion of life expectancy and it was really fun to be more tactic and not eat another 5 enemies in my face (Then flanks where empty enough that you could 1v1 or 1v2 it and then break through instead of facing 5+ aircraft no matter where you fly)
@@ADGMagic I just got 3 in a row. I think people are starting to switch it on, hopefully it’ll start becoming more common over the next couple days as more people turn it on
Yeah ist best 3rd gen fighter but is not on toptier and this not enought😂 orher jets eats it😒+ no have helmet monted for radar lock …new harriers have aim120 on 12.0 br
Everything after the F3H’s cockpit and view sucks 😂😂😂 The worst part of 9.7+ br Sim 😂 I wish they would just make the pilots taller so you didn’t have to bind head movements smh it’s not nice to console players
I think its insane how there are people mad at Gaijin for Germany having shitty airplanes in REAL LIFE. Its not Gaijin’s fault they didn’t have F-16s. Just give them until a few patches from now and you can have your Eurofighter
Gaijin has found a way to give LITERALLY EVERY OTHER MINOR TREE a competitive jet. Japan has an F-16 they never even had. Italy is flying Hungarian jets. Britain is using South African jets. But instead of Germany getting the same benefit, they get this piece of shit. Yes, it is 100% worth being upset about.
@@YF23BlackWidowllYeah? Where, where is that polish F-16 supposed to go? German tech tree has no space for a subtree, it's full, we can't put it on a F-4 tree, as it would brake the whole logic of east germany branch, west germany branch, and poland out of nowhere? Yeah sure the F-16 for japan was fucked up, but it isn't far different from Mitsubishi F-2 is it?
Best for its generation, worst for its competition :(
That’s kinda funny but in sim it’s pretty good, ofc it’s worse than 16C or 15C but it’s very competitive (basically more competitive than old Su-27, F-15A and any 12.0 planes)
Same goes for the SMT, it sucked a lot before this update cause every engagement ended in DF so it almost had no chances against any experienced players but rn the SMT is much better in sim than Su-27SM just because it has radar that actually works
@@СергейНикольский-я2цMig29 SMT was always a decent dog fighter if you knew how to use your missiles
@@r.p5380 which ones? R-73’s that can be easily flared even from 0.3-0.4km if they weren’t launched right to the engine? (and spoiler alert - you won’t be able to launch it to the engine in DF cause the SMT loses both 1C and 2C to pretty much any 11.7+ plane unless your opponent is stupid enough to do one of two things - dump all of his speed or overshoot)
The SMT always was and remains the worst dogfighter at 11.7BR and higher
The Phantoms truly have a place in my heart. I adore their looks and dynamic (sometimes the lack of the latter). I am glad to see the F-4F ICE but at it's current BR it's not in a good place.
Yeah, this should probably be 12.0. the new British Tornado has AIM-120B's and 9M's, and is at 11.7 (albeit, it is a Tornado and the ONLY thing it can do is launch missiles, then run) so, the Phantom being more maneuverable... Easily 12.0.
@@FeatheredDino I guess looking at it's competition, the Tornado is at least faster than the Phantom. I guess trying a turnfight while in a Phantom is that br nonetheless insane.
I mean they put the mig 21 at 12.0 why not put the f4 qt 12.0??
Because gajin likes money....
the cockpit is the real cockpit of an F-4E xd
It makes me proud as a German to see you fly our F-4F since we affectionately love our old Phantoms here. Some rules, though. Avoid dogfights against 4th gen. You will loose. Against 3rd gen always use the vertical and/or go for a 2 circle fight. The F-4F should be superior to basically all contemporary 3rd gen fighters in a 2 circle because of its superior thrust - stay around Mach 0.8, though. Do not get slow. Never! I want to focus your attention on DCS. We have the new F-4E out and it is glorious. Maybe you want to try it out? It is actually as close as you can get to fly the real jet. The German Luftwaffe took an active part in the development, by the way. So, it might be worth trying it out...I highly recommend it.
i dont think matdawg plays dcs
Please don't compare the heatblur F4 Masterpiece with war thunder garbage aircrafts here
This thing needs to be a 12.3.
Also, Matt I’m not sure if you or anyone else noticed this but the hanger stat cards show Mach number, gear extension, and flap extension speeds. Kinda neat.
Yeah, sure 😂
Every Aircraft that can carry fox 3 missiles should be at least 1.0 BR higher than they are currently so that they can’t s*** on every other plane that can only carry SARH Missiles.
Top Tier Air RB is almost unplayable right now for every plane that cannot use fox 3 missiles.
@@finnm.2582 i agree lol
nah. it shouldn't face 11.3 ever.
@@mikeyplayzwrld neither should the F15 but here we are
@@finnm.2582 i agree but there should be a 0.3 gap between f-15C, f-16C, su-27SM and the ice tbf. and for me 12.0 us has had mostly downtiers to 11.3 but that could just be me
12.0 or 12.3 then it's playable
Def not 12.0, 12.3 would maybe be acceptable, but poor 11.3 just wouldn’t be able to catch a break. We just need decompression, we should be at 14.0 minimum
@@batlax18 say that to 12.0/11.7 f14 with 150km fox 3 missiles or the New harier with aim 120 at 12.0
The Harriers are 12.3 and the AIM54 is balls easy to defeat compared to a damn AMRAAM.@@thunder_98-f2y
@@thunder_98-f2ythe Phoenix is shit, and I’m 99% sure that the lowest br (good) Fox 3 is 12.3, and if it’s not, it needs to be. Don’t fight compression with more and worse compression. I would rather 1 jet struggle in a br bracket than 1 jet destroy another br bracket, and before you cry F15A, it absolutely needs to be 12.7, but I can’t control that.
@@batlax18agreed
i wasn’t dissatisfied with the flight model , it’s amazing compared to my other phantoms (even stock!)
Same I found myself out turning a f15 once lol
@@brosonly3389 You can theoretically outmaneuver every aircraft with every aircraft that’s remotely resembling a fighter plane!
Rip German mains
We just take the L until the Eurofighter comes online and then we flex on everyone (until rafale comes online xD)
@@DJRaffa1000 exactly. Happens almost every other update. They got mig29smt and f16c 3 months before we got the 29g
@@DJRaffa1000 OK I know french tech was ads but 2 f16 they don't need 2
@@akaira700 rafale wont just be another f16 tho.
@@DJRaffa1000and then until the f22 comes online....
Tips for any one stock grinding the f4f, go into head on's and lock aircraft and shot a 6-9km yes this is far but with a closing speed of 3m 1 for the aircraft and 2 mach for the missle itself it closes qucikly and it also has a long 60 second flight time plus by the time the gets to the enemy its smokeless and free
Where on the radar does it show missiles going active
Its a circle around the target when it dissepears it goes active
The best way is to look at the line the missile draws from itself it its target. At range you’ll notice the line is solid for part of the way and then dotted the rest. The dotted line means the missile is using IOG (its heading to last known position of its target according to what your plane is telling it) when the solid line touches the target the missile is pitbull and acting on its own and no longer needs your planes advice on where to go. That being said if the missile LOSES its target at all and you are still locking/TWS the target the missile will listen to you again and will maneuver to reaquire its target
@@Klaus_Klavier ik what IOG is and thx cause ik how to read radar and all but didn't know for sure what I was looking for to see the missile going active,I used what other guy said the other day and that seemed to work so I'll try this later today but if both are right and tell same thing then that circle should go away right as line touches target then meaning it's active,thx
@@Eve.0. thx
Got the F4 ICE and honestly its much better than I expected, got a positive KD and its actually fun for me.
Did u had to spade it or did u just bought the aim120's
Cause I have it too and its not fun flying it with 2 9L/I and no chaff
@@amasingkiller257d3molish3r yeah gotta admit that I bought the Aim120 with ge because yeah otherwise it would have been pretty painfull
J8f with no irccm missil and only 2 fox 3 is a 12.3
0.7 br increase for 2 worst fox 3s of the update :(
I dont have a problem with getting the F4F ICE.
I have a much bigger problem with not being able to play anything else in top tier because germany only has this 1 ARH missile carrier
As a German I am very happy to hear that someone from that far abroad likes to listen to Major Tom, especially because its the German hymn for the current Euros:) Keep up the videos Mat and greetings from Germany🫡
Its fine at its br, if they balance out fox 3. I think they deleted the multipath completely without ppl noticing, so everyone spends money on grind. Then powercreep gets toned down and its cool again. As always
Bro how are you uploading so fast
Bros addicted to the snail
Guess what, its at 13.3 now
11:55 „its kinda realistic“ then make the german ground forces realistic too. talking about ww2 stuff!
völlig losgelöst ist wirklich ein guter song
Everyone talking about how bad this plane is, not even paying attention to the fact that the Tornado is even worse at the same BR.
Because Britain has the gripen alr
@@YF23BlackWidowll boo fucking hoo, Germany has mig29G.
@@Red_Lion2000we don t have fox 3 with the mig 29g unlike other planes at 12.7....
@@gusion9367 Are you really suggesting that the Tornado is better than the mig29G?
@@Red_Lion2000Tornado f3 late compared to the ice is faster, Has same missiles and a LOT more countermeasures. I'd rather fly tornado f3 late than the ice
How to set radar to look like this and for 74km my showing only 34km i think
Tornado next pls
Mat could you do video about mfds the su27sm got cool one too
Mat it would be cool to see a video of the namer 30 because they changed its armor
F4F ICE is technically a 4th gen Fighter
lol no it isn’t. You could call it 3.5 but it’s only a supersonic multirole fighter. It’s not high efficiency nor is it highly maneuverable. That is the dividing line between 3rd and 4th generation. High efficiency and high maneuverability.
The stock grind for this thing is literal aids.
I need typhoon… gonna get depression playing Germany
How many f4f ice player have gotten a full downtier
So far none yay it so fun rn
0 down tiers all amraam's
iv been playing it and it has been pretty good
Top tier is now unplayable
We do NOT need the 120C
The J8F is the superior 3rd gen imo
See? The first match was a small match. It’s possible, people just need to turn on the setting
I flew 9 matches with a friend today and 2 of them where 12v12.
Especially in the city map, there was a huge extenrion of life expectancy and it was really fun to be more tactic and not eat another 5 enemies in my face
(Then flanks where empty enough that you could 1v1 or 1v2 it and then break through instead of facing 5+ aircraft no matter where you fly)
@@ADGMagic I just got 3 in a row. I think people are starting to switch it on, hopefully it’ll start becoming more common over the next couple days as more people turn it on
Yeah ist best 3rd gen fighter but is not on toptier and this not enought😂 orher jets eats it😒+ no have helmet monted for radar lock …new harriers have aim120 on 12.0 br
The harriers are at 12.3 not 12.0
Everything after the F3H’s cockpit and view sucks 😂😂😂
The worst part of 9.7+ br Sim 😂
I wish they would just make the pilots taller so you didn’t have to bind head movements smh it’s not nice to console players
Pls come to Brasil
The thing is viggen still didnt got the L/I1 what a joke
Tws is buggy as hell to me
8th video of the day lol
This thing stock is dog water. Cant even get any RP of kills
BUFF MULTIPATHING
I think its insane how there are people mad at Gaijin for Germany having shitty airplanes in REAL LIFE. Its not Gaijin’s fault they didn’t have F-16s. Just give them until a few patches from now and you can have your Eurofighter
Gaijin has found a way to give LITERALLY EVERY OTHER MINOR TREE a competitive jet. Japan has an F-16 they never even had. Italy is flying Hungarian jets. Britain is using South African jets. But instead of Germany getting the same benefit, they get this piece of shit. Yes, it is 100% worth being upset about.
@@fboyg91 thank you for being the only smart person here how it is fair it that other nation get jet that they don't even use
@@fboyg91exactly just give me like a Swiss f-18 or polish f-16
@@YF23BlackWidowllYeah? Where, where is that polish F-16 supposed to go? German tech tree has no space for a subtree, it's full, we can't put it on a F-4 tree, as it would brake the whole logic of east germany branch, west germany branch, and poland out of nowhere? Yeah sure the F-16 for japan was fucked up, but it isn't far different from Mitsubishi F-2 is it?
@@potatouno well they put a gripen in Britain’s f4 line