Dr. Robert Zubrin - Mars Direct: Humans to the Red Planet within a Decade
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- Опубликовано: 2 сен 2014
- NASA Ames Research Center Director's Colloquium, July 10, 2014, Moffett Field, California. Achieving a human mission to Mars has been a fascination of humanity for some time. In the 1990s, Dr. Robert Zubrin proposed the "Mars Direct" mission architecture, using conventional rockets and Mars in-situ resources to establish a sustained human presence on Mars. Now, with the nation debating how to proceed with human space exploration, the "Mars Direct" plan is more relevant than ever: Can Americans reach the Red Planet in our time?
Robert Zubrin, formerly a staff engineer at Lockheed Martin Astronautics in Denver, is now president of his own company, Pioneer Astronautics. He is a Fellow of the British Interplanetary Society and former Chairman of the Executive Committee of the National Space Society. He is the founder of the Mars Society; an international organization dedicated to furthering the exploration and settlement of Mars by both public and private means.
The NASA Ames Director's Colloquium Summer Series was presented by the Office of the Chief Scientist as part of the Center's 75th anniversary celebration. 
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49:16 - 53:48 one hell of a speech.
+Philip Zeplin yeah man, I expected an applause
dudu dududu I know!
+Philip Zeplin WOw . . . what an answer!
+dudu dududu I think I heard a couple of guys tried clapping to start something.
+Philip Zeplin hoezo telde je die er nog bij
"Five hundred years from now, people are not gonna remember which faction came out on top in Iraq, or Syria, or whatever. But they will remember what we do to make their civilization possible. This is the most important thing we can do in this time. If you have it in your power to do something great, and wonderful, and powerful, then you should."
Well said.
There is no military, economic, or political reason to send somebody to Mars. But what Zubrin said is very compelling, I remember this statement quite well. though politicos operate in 2, 4, 6 year attention span (election cycle of congress, president, senate).
At the current rate, no one is going anywhere. Our planet is dying before we have actual means to go somewhere else safely.
On the other hand, what's this man's hurry about?
@@kreyvegas1 how do you figure our planet is dying?
@@johnsmith2797 Our planet is not going to die, even if we explode the entire current nuclear arsenal at one instant. However, we're killing many of our fellow species and soon ourselves by changing the planet into a hostile place by being irresponsible. After humanity's extinction, the planet will recover in a few thousand or million years and intelligent life may develop again and learn from our foolishness.
@@arachnid83 how do you figure we are killing our own species, people are living longer and better than any time in history. so the exact opposite of what you are saying is true.
When humans land on Mars, I hope Robert Zubrin gets equal credit to the person who actually steps on the planet.
too bad Elon will get there first
If I was going, I'd take Rubin with me. Out of sheer respect for the work he has done to date.
When humans land on Mars we will all be dead.
NASA, it takes lot of courage to upload content which is critical of the organisation's (NASA's) approach and decision making. Thanks!
This guy represents the best of NASA. They were the can-do, positive people that made the Moon shots happen.
They fell into the hole that led to the Shuttle and those fatal errors as a result of compromises and negative culture and thinking.
Sometimes I think there is life on Mars, this is why they propose every possible alternative but to go there haha
I supect it's a small minority at Ames Research Center
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NASA has done a great many things. No doubt. But in this. Zubrin is correct. NASA will not be the organization that gets us to Mars. How many times has the plan changed in the last 10 years.
The date moves back, then forward, then back, over and over. And in the meantime. Nothing gets done. I also understand that the majority of this seesawing is because of ever changing directives from Congress.
And THAT! Is why NASA has no hope of making Mars happen.
What is needed is a single focused dedicated drive to make this happen, one that will stay on track through each administration. That is SpaceX.
This man is incredibly clever and quick on his responses. Fast thinker. Great to hear him speak.
"Are we what life is or are we just one example drawn from much vaster tapestries of possibilities?"
+blinkatreyu Nailed it!
+Kroteezy I think the most likely answer is we are in the majority, but there is an existence of a minority. I wouldd assume somewhere in the vastness of existence there are planets that hold life we would otherwise call "Theoretical".
+blinkatreyu Its unfortunate that we can only ask this question.
+blinkatreyu Why not both?
zero one Because they both contradict each other. One is saying that we have reached the superlatives of humanity and that we are what we are while the other is saying that there is something more significant, something greater than what we are right now.
I hope this man never gives up on Mars. Thank you, Mr. Zubrin, for your vision and ideas.
Lmao, only 3 years left!! Think he’s gonna make it??
@@jeffw8218 Well, we're going back the Moon next year, so maybe we won't make it by his original 10 year estimate but perhaps 20? :)
@@fontayne314 Exploration requires an economic ROI.
When people sailed from Europe to the “new world”, the investors expected either 1) a faster shipping route or 2) gold, silver, riches, etc.
For humans to get to The Moon or Mars, we need an ROI.
That’s why I think NEA mining is the only way to go for now.
Rough crowd. There was a moment of silence after 53:48, but since it isn't a Hollywood picture, the crowd didn't stand up to applaud Dr. Zubrin.
The issue is that they're all engineers, not theatre-goers!
This guy gets it, cuts through all the red tape and hits every point, no evasion.
With a machete
except he does not.
@@MusikCassette Goodbye dear ignoramus. Read, be informed, and then understand that your comment is part of the ignorant mass. Before you tear this man asunder, read his book. Tell me about the Sabatier Reaction and how his novel ideas would create us a new world. I know that this comment is a troll, but your blatant lack of understanding is laughable and dismissible. We will go to Mars. With, or without you, is to be determined.
This speech is legendary; can't stop coming back to this!
"We grow when we challenge ourselves, we stagnate when we do not."
We die or end up as slaves when we follow idiots. and charlatans.
"...So this is the most important thing we could do; most important thing we could do in this time. And if you have it in your power to do something great and important and wonderful, then you SHOULD." Where the fuck was the applause at the end of that amazing response?
53:42... WOW
Everyone was probably like "I'll start clapping once other people do cause I'm pretty sure that deserved an applause but I don't wanna look like an idiot"
Excellent talk. I can feel his frustration with having to deal with politics taking control of rational science decisions.
Sometimes I think there is life on Mars, this is why they propose every possible alternative but to go there haha
I'm surprised no-one clapped after that speech.
+Jon Baxter thats what I thought, I would
What do you mean? They clap at the end of the speech @1:00:53
Terrance Barroso
We mean that speech from 49:18 to 53:42
Oh right that makes sense. I guess with open forums with questions they just wait till the very end to applause.
+Jon Baxter ruclips.net/video/EKQSijn9FBs/видео.html
Robert Zubrin is simply another name for ... "genius"
Excellent presentation as always by Dr. Zubrin, the dedication to a manned Mars mission this man has shown is astonishing and completely unparalleled. I for one sincerely hope a manned mission to Mars happens within his lifetime, it truly is the least he deserves for everything he and the Mars society have done.
Zubrin lays the smack down at 28:00
A splendid presentation by Zubrin at his absolute best. His critique towards the asteroid redirect and lunar missions are spot on -- they are a diversion from the core objective and should be seriously reconsidered.
How did he NOT get a standing ovation at around 53:40?
Probably because it ended a bit awkwardly
I've read the book 'The Case For Mars', by this guy, and I remain astounded by how feasible this project would be with a simple, common sense approach. I'm no technician but even I can see that this is simply not fantasy. I recommend the book to everyone interested in Mars exploration who haven't yet read it. It's a real eye-opener. 2024 is a real, feasible, estimate of possible first mission launches.
This man's mind is a beehive of critical thinking. Awesome.
I think Zubrin deserves respect, not only because of his engineering skills, but for his political commitment to the mars enterprise. Why the American government dropped the Apollo program and never returned to the moon or went on to put astronauts on mars, is a mystery in some rational sense. But when I see how the Apollo program got started, it is evident that there was a political reason behind it, the Cold War Space Race. This race was not even started by the Americans, but by the Russians. One could wonder about the Russian government's motivation to start their space program, if it was for scientific or political reasons, but the fact is that when the Americans saw themselves as the winners of the race, there was no political will to keep a space program for colonisation. And in turn the technology for space exploration was developed in Germany by the Nazis for war purposes. The engineers behind both, the American and Soviet space programs, where Germans. So even the Apollo program can be viewed as an accident of history. Everything a government does boils down to politics, and the political game is very often opposed to scientific and popular convenience. This seems IMHO the sad truth.
+Javier Escobar
Apollo was dropped because it threatened STS.
The Augustine Commission estimated that to get America back to the moon would cause 36 billion (and consider inflation now) Zubrin pointed out that it cost Space X 0.5 billion and took them half the time to develop the Falcon Heavy
Zubrin for NASA's president!
A very good visionary person.
Straight ahead and consistent.
Dr. Zubrin...Much respect.
My role model, the man who made me admire and seek my engineering degree ! great speech hope to meet you soon Dr.
"The Human-to-Mars program says to every kid in school today: learn your science and you could be the explorer of a new world."
Wow a practical plan for getting boots on Mars before all my hair falls out. Joining the Mars Society tomorrow!
How's your hair doing bud?
He's been preaching this for over 30 years. We'll all be dead before anyone at NASA listens.
For more than two decades, Dr. Zubrin has been the most passionate, eloquent advocate for the exploration of Mars. He definitely has a clear and well-thought strategy that focuses on lean and practical means. I had the honor of having him sign my copy of the Case for Mars when I was an aerospace engineering undergrad at Cornell. Listening to him again today is still extremely inspiring.
Zubrin rips apart Nasa's culture through in through. The balls on Nasa to publish this video.
+cilvrado Nasa does great science and always has. The key to great science is being open to all ideas including critics and not rejecting them just because they don't fit your narrative.
@@supaganzai but NASA clearly is attached to some strings, otherwise Zubrin wouldn't be having this talk.
Outstanding! There's value in pragmatism. Let's use these plans and go to Mars.
I love this guy.
Dr. Robert Zubrin brilliant speech
I keep going back to this video. The amount of value this has is tremendous. Thank you for this speech Dr. Zubrin
"If you have it in your power to do something great and important and wonderful then you should"
I wish more people embraced his ideas. I wish we all could embrace his ideas. I do I have embraced his ideas since I first heard of them when I was a teenager. and it's sad you that it's been that long and still nothing has been done with his ideas. humans to Mars in 10 years pass it on
Zubrin isn't going to see the fulfillment of his vision, but he will be one of the major players in having made it happen.
Zubrin is awesome. I swear he is running at 1.5X speed.
Yes his stutter and pauses are most likely a result of too much knowledge and thoughts rather than stupidity. It's a speech, but a complex one due to the amount of detail - this is not scripted. He's got a basic outline and the rest is improv, which is really cool to see
He is, compared to most of us.
In 1492 the Reconquista was completed also.
I did my research and his hair checks out. Crazier the hair the more they know what they are talking about. He must be a genius.
I wish I was half as smart as this guy!
I am sold.
I named my KSP martian base after this guy.
i love this man!
since when? lmao...since reddit hype beast
+kebrom woldegebriel Hi! I'm sorry but I don't know who you are..
This guy and Elon Musk need to have a lunch date
+oisinm25 I think you mean a launch date.
+TheRiekman 10/10
I have a sneaking suspicion they already have...BFR screams Mars Direct :)
+oisinm25 Elon was actually awarded by the Mars Society so Elon and Zubrin have already met. Zubrin has made a case that 3 launches of the Falcon Heavy could be put together to make a very bare-bones human mission to Mars.
I thought they probably know each other
@c.23:35 - Priceless! The comment about Rumsfeld!
Zubrin is an inspiration!
He spunt so many years trying to convince government to do a sensesble mars mission and has little to show for it, accept his clear agitation and stressed face.
I feel bad for him.
It is never an activist's fault that others choose not to support them. That is entirely their choice & decision.
Even if the activist's ideas are good or bad.
I enjoy Robert Zubrin's style and sense of humor in addition to the compelling subject matter.
If you ever want a shortcut on figuring out who's probably right, it seems to be often the one who goes through all the other alternatives and arguments and picks them all apart in detail if none of the other prospective debaters will even mention the alternatives, let alone all of the alternatives or convincingly pick all of them apart. Now, this isn't a sure thing, but if this isn't your area of expertise it's a useful shortcut for laymen that works much of the time I find far more than pure random chance would account for, and it's fairly easy to spot when you have one stand-out on a topic who covers all the various sides of the argument and some of the others very blatantly do not, are non-specifically dismissive, or act like they are above the competition. Zubrin covers all the sides, is extremely specific, is inclusive, and puts everyone on the same level. Franklin Chang Díaz and much of NASA simply try to collectively pretend that Zubrin doesn't exist, partly because they individually and as an institution didn't come up with the superior ideas for this subject that Zubrin's promoting and they want the credit, and partly because of what I mentioned about being unable to fully rebut all the alternatives so they don't even try. Fortunately, there's apparently a minority at NASA that put on events like this one.
If you need further evidence of my claim here, notice that Zubrin really puts forth a lot of effort when public speaking. His mind is moving faster than his lips can, some people think he has a bit of a stammer, and he's not going to one-up Hitler any time soon in influencing the masses to do anything with ease, good or evil. He has to really work at it, he does his best, and bless him for it, but nonetheless someone who's not a natural fluid & charismatic public speaker is having an actual impact and is highly respected. He's clearly not some slick charmer kissing babies with the ability to pour snake oil in your ears and I've never heard anyone even claim it's all an act, so it's further improbable that he's duping people to have gotten to this point. Potentially you could have someone covering all (or many) of the sides who has extraordinary speaking ability in such a way that you might be lured into believing them even though they're wrong or ignoring the key side and you might assume more than is warranted. Certainly you want to try and look into the topic yourself as best as you can and look at the other sides of the debate, but these are effective short hands for starting out when looking into a subject. At the very least, it’s useful for developing skepticism when there are people trying to own a debate based on positions of authority or status or charisma.
you, sir, make me happy.
So, its been about two years since the comments on this video where made. Seems like ancient history now, so much has happened. I guess it's true what they say, the more things change the more they stay the same.
Thank you Dr. Zubrin
More of Zubrin please. Thanks 🙏
Mars Direct is a big yes!
He frickin' dropped the mike on this. Dr. Zubrin OUT.
How I love Mr R. Zubrin's vision! Going to Mars is a matter of will! Note: this video was made in 2014 ... the vision of the project thanks to the Starship ships is now easier ...
A great man, a great plan. Thank you.
22:55 And in 2021, we are looking forward to the Starship.
fantastic.
Great talk! Thank you for sharing!
Great speaker and very intelligent man!
Awesome! ❤❤❤
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What a shame. This mission should've been given the green years ago. It's a shame Dr. Zubrin has to waste his time arguing with the constituency in order to get this mission going when he could be putting his brain to much better use. Like on the actual mission itself.
They need to get above " low earth orbit" first."
That!, was a fantastic end to the speech lol
And the speech was lit too, like this guy!
well done Dr Zubrin.. I really hope he is alive to see his dream forfilled .. I hope im alive to see us land on mars aswell.
His passion is right there :-)
He is very passionate about going to Mars, it's good.
This guy's so passionate about mars.
I love this man. He's raw and driven and well spoken
well done Robert.......a master class in sarcasm!
This man is awesome.
Amazing talk
is there a transcript ?
Love this. Just a quick observation though, this guy talks and delivers and moves a lot like heath ledgers portrayal of the joker
Would love to see an update to this plan based on the new much larger starship
People really need to see this
53:44 Death silence after that genius speech why we should go to Mars.. What the F is wrong with that crowd?
thanks to Kerval I understood everything that he is talking about !
I freaking love this man!
what an awesome dude!
why just 100 kg of oxigen is needed in the hab for the semi-direct mission?
I really took exception with his Lewis & Clark analogy. Lewis & Clark did take tons of supplies and gifts for indian tribes, and didn't take it by wagon train, but took it up the Missouri River by keelboat. It was very very slow going...
+tribudeuno There's kind of a difference between a keelboat and a wagon train.
Obviously, as he said, we would take a small amount of the necessary chemicals to create the propellant, but not nearly all of it. The analogy makes sense to me.
+Minecraft X Thank you for your response. As was mentioned in Ken Burns' Lewis & Clark, when the Apollo astronauts went to the moon, they were connected to NASA, with virtually real time communication, without which Apollo 13 would have never made it back to earth. But Lewis and Clark were completely cut off from the US, and therefore the US government was of absolutely no help during the journey of more than two years. Jefferson knew from reports of people sent back east some early findings. But Jefferson had no way to contact Lewis & Clark, and most of the time didn't know if they were dead or alive. I guess it was that this guy mentioned wagon trains at all, just showed there wasn't much thought given to the analogy...
I love Zubrin. He's like the Mafia boss telling you that if you wiseguys don't get us to Mars within the next decade, we're going to send the boys 'round to rough you up!
The Theodore Roosevelt of space.
Just one year left and mars is still 50 years away.
Dr. Robert Zubrin is DOPE ,1 of the few I know of to go hard against nasa!
We need to do it all in 3s ( threes ). So in that case we need 3 return vehicles waiting on Mars . We need to also send food and other supplies in advance. We should also have supplies and a lifeboat waiting half way to Mars just in case.
Zubrin 2016
+Noor Elahi He's got my vote
We are now nearing the end of 2021. Essentially, we just have 2 more years to meet the target date. Is it still doable?
Not at all
Smart man.
I'm surprised Zubrin hasn't been hired by SpaceX.
Curiosity is no fear for destroy any debris?(the weight)
35:15 is such a simple way to explain the stupidity of the Asteroid Redirect Mission.
9:55 "A booster could blow Orlando away"
That's why the Nexus SSTO from Convair in '63 would probably use a floating platform, towed out to sea. 2100 tonnes into LEO.
Hell of a booster for a scaled-up Mars Direct 2-launch mission!
Robert zubrin for president. At least he's got an agenda. Space travel where we should have been 30 years ago. NASA stands for not absolutely sure anymore
I like this guy.
To Ames Video Group, thanks for posting this. It all seems obvious but there is no pressing reason to go to Mars. Yes it is frustrating because it can be done but those with the money (lawyers and business people) have zero interest in such ventures. Though what we will remember 500 years from now which will not be current situation in Iraq, but first human on Mars will be something if it happens.
In the space forums there has been discussion "The One-Legged Stool" which Zubrin promotes the Mars leg and others promote a Moon leg or a Asteroid leg. Too bad we cannot agree on all three. I'd love to organize a panel discussion with Zubrin, Wingo, Cowing, Spudis, and Neil DeGrasse Tyson to discuss these three "legs."
Are we there yet?
I say go with 'Mars Direct' phase 1 the unnamed fuel mission. In couple of years go with phase 2. Then go with phase three. You could probably go with the first step and the others as soon as the resources are available. Either that or load up a SPACE-X rocket, go there then get back. Answer the 'toxic brine' question first though.
Entertaining as always and a brilliant finish :-)
It seems government wont get us to Mars any time soon so I guess the real hope is that Elon Musk gets rich enough to fund the expedition himself.
While this speech convinced me of the value of exploring Mars, I still think Mars should have less priority than developing the technology and know-how needed for diverting asteroids from Earth. The same technology could be used for mining the asteroids or for steering ice asteroids to Mars for terraforming.
+Axgoodofdunemaul This is literally what he's arguing against. Either choose to explore asteroids or choose to land on Mars. Don't half ass both.
I agree, sir. I would choose the asteroids. Mars can wait.
Once Phase 1 is on Mars producing fuel, oxidizer, etc. it should be easy to raise what is needed for Phase 2 and eventually Phase 3. We may even get NASA to donate space suits or Mars suits and any advanced equipment that may be needed. As far as Moon Direct is concerned it is also a good goal although Mars Direct should probably be first. In a Moon Direct we could set up a test mining facility for Illimite and Titanium or the International Village ESA talks about.
Video posted 9 years ago 💀
Hopefully starship will get us there.
If you can refuel at the space station, you can take a higher payload, like he already suggested himself when discussing advanced engines. Ion drives are very useful, low power, but very fuel inexpensive, so to those extends I don't agree with those two statements. But in the end .. this guy deserves his project funded. But we don't ave to set every plan aside. His plan on the other hand is excellent and stands through scrutiny. And boy .. is he mad :) One day he will die of a hearth attack. This is this guys legacy.