Sam Harris was claiming to speak for Indian theology, not Jordan Peterson who was merely putting religious development in a historic context. Peterson's general notion of religious development is correct.
@@CribNotes Indian theology is not about hero worship. People in the region worship what they believe is the most important thing in their life. Like for many Hindus of North is Ganga(river) and for many Hindus in the northern part of the Deccan plateau is kaveri( river). You also corrected him without knowing about it at all. Conviction has become cursed for society. There was a time when debate was the path for truth. Now it turns into a battle where one person wants to outsmart another.
There is no one system of Hinduism. There are six schools of Classical Hindu Philosophy: 1.Samkhya 2.Classical Yoga 3.Nyaya 4.Vaisesika 5.Mimamsa 6.Vedanta -Samkhya and Classical Yoga do not have a God,they see two eternal realities (Purusha or pure consciousness; Prakriti or the witnessed,it includes both mind and body). Realising the separation properly is Liberation. -Mimamsa is very interesting,it believes in rituals,rebirth, heaven,hell,etc but not God (they are the most conservative here). -Nyaya-Vaisesika are two connected schools that stress the importance of reason and argumentation,the former is monotheist while the latter seems to have started off as atheists and became monotheists later on. -Vedanta became the most important school in the medieval periods and have become the base of most of modern Hinduism. There are many sub-schools of this school,but the model of Vishistadvaita seems to be the most commonly accepted one among Hindus. This model can be imagined as: The world is a circle encompassed by the larger circle that is God,the world is part of God but not completely identical. This God however can be identified with different deities by different Hindus,the original Vishistadvaita school equates this absolute reality (Brahman) with Lord Vishnu. Some of the other schools are there but have very few followers today.
I remember once Jordan profiled Goddess Kali as evil 😂 While in reality she is the destroyer of evil herself. It's better to shut your mouth and accept that you don't know about certain things rather than peddling BS.
Yeah it's crazy if he read literally any book on Hinduism he would know that. It's amazing how little people know about Hinduism and openly discuss it and give false information. Even though there is a wide body of available information
Maa Kali is furious and angry version of Maa Parvati. When Maa Parvati gets furious, then demons and even gods don't dare to come in front of her. And Maa Kali is above all Gods or Goddesses. She is the destroyer and she is the creator as well.
what happens when a human dies? i was born and still living i india...f or 52 years.. so far no one has had an idea about what is india and when it was formed...and hinudism is a mixed up demonic idea...taking people to hell and also currently living in hell for many..
Men from patriarchal societies have been taught a women is one-dimensional (mother, soft, submissive) and that any other expression is evil (anger). It would be OK for someone uneducated to not understand this, but he has no excuse unless he chooses to be a misogynist. I think truly though, he dislikes any feminine aspect of himself.
@@FoursWithin Yes.. Yes right.. Articulate people from outside know better rather than the people walking the path.. The only religious people intentionally get way from indulging in to mass violence. The Only religion teaches mind your own business.. The only religious people who values the importance of family.. Where the elders takes the burden of guiding their younger generation.
@@rameshkumarpenmetsa If you are a Hindu (or a follower of any religion) you can look around at your community and know what I stated is a simple fact. That is if you actually already know the overall fundamentals about said religion. Those who don't also do not understand how much rumour and misinformation swirls around many religious circles.
@@clorofilaazul actually our fertility is 2.4...just above optimum population stability rate...one reason for a big population..is becoz...we are the oldest civilization...and only ancient surviving culture..so we have been around for a while...case closed...lol
@@HangrySaturn Hinduism is monotheistic in its essence , confused as polytheism. All the gods and deities are expansions of different aspects of one brahm or the parmatma
@@HangrySaturn All of the above. According to Hindu philosophy, the cosmos and everything in it is holy. Including you. Tat Tvam Asi. You choose how you both express and revere the cosmos in you. The only thing that binds you is your Karma. That is, cause and effect. Namaste literally means’ “I salute the divine in you.” Namaste.
As a hindu i dont have any problem with people who criticize Hinduism but criticise on merits . These people don't know even 1% about Hinduism. They just know some bullet points casteism, social hierarchy, polytheism, idol worshipping etc and they talk rubbish.
@@lavanlavan4011 Hinduism is more of a culture and way of living than religion , hindu Gods never said to outcast kill or anything to people who don't believe in them , in Hinduism the ground to going hell or heaven decides on the karma you've accumulated throughout your life and not on what God you worshipped , according to Hinduism u can be an atheist and still go to heaven if u were a Good person
Hindus and Indians are easy targets for these pseudo intellectuals in West. But thanks to god Both Hindus and Indians are thriving and growing strong 💪 ❤
@rkcjk21 bro he is a converted guy...I speak to Catholics from Most Catholic countries and they consider these converts not equal to them...these guys neither belong here nor there
I can tell you The reason most middle class to upper middle class Hindu or Buddhist families send their kids to Catholic schools is not because they prefer their kids to have a Christian education, it’s because they don’t think much of public schools and the private schools are Catholic. They don’t mind the religiosity of the school bc at home the child will be practing it’s own faith with it's family.
From religion itself to marriages & funeral least to say about schools owned & run by Hindus are awful. Just like your multitude of gods have sagas of corruption, bribery, treachery, lying, so are of these vices seen in hindus. Hindus schools are for minting money, they love hoarding up money. Greedy just like gods
As a Hindu I am fairly open to opinions and ready to accept logical explanations. I may still keep believing in our deities and their powers but will never question the scientific phenomenons and will never grow hate in my heart for anyone who doesn’t believe the same way I do.
@rock.manithan, I will answer that question for you. Within my religion there are multiple schools of thought. Some believe in rebirth, some in nothingness like aethist do. There is no exclusive one particular book that we follow. My culture perhaps is the only religion which accepts Aethists too. It is hard for abrahamic religions to understand what is really going on and what are we following. We are simply picking the most convenient positive aspect justifying what conforms to our own personal ideology
@@Rock.manithanas hindu i can say i don’t know . Hinduism is freedom and liberation… if you know for sure based on your experience prove it otherwise just be humble enough to say you don’t know and atleast say its your wish
The fact that they are classifying Hinduism as a religion, in itself show how little they have the understanding of sanata Dharma, westerns will always try to look at everything through their own lens , even if it doesn't fit.
Relegion is something which has set of beliefs and principles often around some higher power. That's what relegion means fyi. Edit: It's not necessary to have one path, one god, one founder, one book to form a religion. Stop using that Strawman argument everyone. Enough. And there are 4200 religions in the world not 3 abrahamic religions that people are obsessed with here. Principles mean kind off guidance. Principles are not rigid that's what makes them different from laws. I'm compelled to discuss basic word meanings here due to ignorance of people here. Stop sending me bs notifications if you don't have a strong point. And hindus please don't comment about Christianity because none of you have knowledge about it. I know it hurts when someone misrepresent hinduism so wish you people will also not do the same with Christianity. I'll have sympathy with the fragile party.
@@GloomyGlue agreed, that's how abhramic religion's work, that's not how sanatan dharama work, there is no set principles or one book or one path, like universe and nature there are multiple view point, methods. And hence not a religion especially not in abhramic context
@@rohan3585 I already know that was coming. There isn't belief that there is a true self in every human? There isn't belief that there is a jivaatman? Atleast use your brain rather than just spamming whatever preached by Twitter intellectuals on the internet. Duties Dharma is a principle itself.
@@GloomyGlue I don't need to spam, it's you who felt the need to explain it to me, so then debate in detail with proper reference, which principal and philosophy are you talking about, is it Samkhya, Yoga, Nyaya,Vaisheshika,Mīmāṃsā or is it Vedanta, or is it something from the four vedas, or something from the upanishad, be specific, just calling people names only makes you ignorant, and I prefer the old way of getting knowledge, either from the elders of my house or by reading, never felt the need to use twitter. In no way I am trying to fight here, if you want a meaningful debate/vaad like Shankarayacharya used to do then feel free, Kindly don't name call or get personal
Separate the religious content in monotheism from the cult following. Dharma led me directly to the path of Christ, as a character of the highest Dharma - he is essentially the Western Buddha.
@@eneveasi Your god doesn't have consciousness to identify good and people and give reward on the basis of belief in trinity. Either God doesn't have consciousness to identify good or people, or your religion is nothing but a cult.
Peterson's argument of the inevitability of monotheism in a culture is fallacious. The first very problematic assumption is that the dominant monotheistic religions of our times .i.e Christianity and Islam, emerged as an organic cultural process and spread organically, which they clearly didn't. They became prominent in large part as political ideologies, and spread through coercion and conquest. As for the example of hindusim. There is indeed a "one" all-encompassing reality that includes and supercedes the universe called "brahman". But unlike, abrahamic religions, the creator and the "archetypical superhero" or the god aren't conflated. This addresses the abrahamic concern of idol/image worship better than abrahamism, while retaining literal idol worship in the religion. By making this all-encompassing entity "brahman" completely void of description or attributes, while using various deities as metaphoric and archetypical representations of various human and worldly attributes. Various local deities are represented as different avatars of these major deities, enabling assimilation across a wide spectrum of cultures and beliefs. The most ironic thing is that organic cultural syncretism of the hindu dharmic society is one of the main reasons why hinduism(unlike every other major polytheistic religion) survived the abrahamic coercion through centuries despite its nearly endless religious/cultural differences and plurality.
Good points. To add on, The Hindu dharma has survived also due to it's ability to adapt, evolve, and when necessary mutate as required. Adi Shankara didn't use violence because his opponents weren't using violence. Whereas later defenders of dharma, like Shivaji, Rana Pratap, Lachit Borphukan, et al didn't hold back using violence. "Ahimsa Paramodharma, dharma himsa ta taiva cha" Violence employed for dharmik objective is valued as much as non-violence. So, if a private citizen kills a would-be mass murderer, then he is being non-violent. There are umpteen such concepts that allows dharma to adapt, evolve and mutate. Not having ONE book, or ONE this or ONE that, helps. Paramatma or parabrahma is basically an energy without attributes. Nirguna, nirakara. This paramatma is neither good nor evil.
There is no one system of Hinduism. There are six schools of Classical Hindu Philosophy: 1.Samkhya 2.Classical Yoga 3.Nyaya 4.Vaisesika 5.Mimamsa 6.Vedanta -Samkhya and Classical Yoga do not have a God,they see two eternal realities (Purusha or pure consciousness; Prakriti or the witnessed,it includes both mind and body). Realising the separation properly is Liberation. -Mimamsa is very interesting,it believes in rituals,rebirth, heaven,hell,etc but not God (they are the most conservative here). -Nyaya-Vaisesika are two connected schools that stress the importance of reason and argumentation,the former is monotheist while the latter seems to have started off as atheists and became monotheists later on. They arw both Pluralists (accepting many different types of things) -Vedanta became the most important school in the medieval periods and have become the base of most of modern Hinduism. There are many sub-schools of this school,but the model of Vishistadvaita seems to be the most commonly accepted one among Hindus. This model can be imagined as: The world is a circle encompassed by the larger circle that is God,the world is part of God but not completely identical. This God however can be identified with different deities by different Hindus,the original Vishistadvaita school equates this absolute reality (Brahman) with Lord Vishnu. Some of the other schools are there but have very few followers today. (The philosophy pf Bhagavad Gita would be considered Vedanta.)
@@danish5850 hindus respect cows + all living beings in this universe...Meanwhile western scientists are busy patenting drugs made out of cow urine and cow dung,,, but madarsachap flat earthers will never know.
Not at all. Humans have been here so long. Religious organizations and civilizations have come and gone. Jainism is not a part of hindus and they older.. buddhism started with buddha and distinguished itself from hindus of those days, The ppl of those days voluntarily joined Buddha and his enlightened n disciples. Later fanatic hindus went on a massacre. Such massacres of group vs group have happened all over the globe. So many disappeared or shrunk Parsis even say that - even if our religion dies, we are not going to include outside people in it. So diff ways of going about it. You have this idea from whatever pundit or news channel or watsapp family grup. It is hear-say
@@junnatha Al;ready wri;tten by ex;posing y;our l;ie th;at Jainism is old;er th;an Hin;dduism. And please d;on't talk about sou;rce wh;en y;our com;ment is devoid of any sou;rce to make unf;actual com;ment just to hide wh;at abra;hamics d;id to w;orld.
"Dr Peterson what would you like for lunch?" "Well what do you even mean by 'lunch'? What is the definition and underlying metaphysical purpose? The consumption of nourishment can be viewed in both a pure Jungian sense as well as in an allegorical view of Solzhenitsyn's perspective on the orthodox interpretation of redemption of the human soul by physical means. Your question inevitably reflects the modern disenfranchisement of men from meaning driven by the neomarxist academia and cannot possibly be answered without understanding the roots of Western civilisation in both Judea-Christian thought and Stoic philosophy as well as the pagan mysticism that culminated not only in the writings of Bonaventura da Bagnoregio, but transcended the evolution of ideas all the way up to Gurdjieff and arguably Solomon Goldsmith. If I were to offer a very simple, utterly reductionist answer to your question, just for the purpose of practical discussion without spending any thoughts on the implications on society, I would probably reply "Medium rare steak with salt and a glass of water", but this answer is highly contextual and cannot be assumed to reflect any underlying truth." "Sir, this is a Wendy's."
@@DA-br9xd I remain baffled by the fact when he is asked “DO YOU BELIEVE X OR Y” he cannot answer yes or no and instead invokes half a dozens authors/philosophers and ancient biblical writings going back 4,000 years and still never answers the question🙄
West gave genocide, colonization, plague, Holocaust, mass starvation. East, mainly India, gave compassion, wisdom, Yoga, Buddhism, number system, Sanskrit, Kama Sutra, joy and happiness.
@@co6245 Pleased educate yourself about Hinduism. Castes were actually different professional categories like soldiers, farmers, writers, politicians etc.
Do not confuse Abrahamic Religions with the West. Ancient Greece which gave birth to western civilization, gave philosophy, astronomy, theater, abstract mathematics, early physics and biology to the world. THAT was the West before Abrahamic Religions. Both India and Greece were rich, deep cultures with polytheistic systems.
I’m Hindu and American and these guys have no idea what they are talking about. Misinformation should not be accepted. Don’t talk about something you don’t know anything about.
Whats the relevance of western religions in eastern cultural thought? Sam is being contrary for the sake of being contrary. In the west ppl often bring up attacking Christianity as the example of religious oppression in a western culture, because it's the one we know and are familiar with. It's the paradigm that dominates our history and is deeply entrenched in our culture, and Sam is bringing up Hindu like it's a significant enough contribution to western thought, to challenge familiar philosophical structures of the west.
@@mazimadu Yes, the man is great when talking about stats and research IN HIS FIELD. As soon as he starts talking about geopolitics and religion , he's just another ignorant blowhard.
Do you actually care about eastern crap? do you live by that here in the west? are you woke? you think those are superior to western religion? Now that's a classic way to trap someone, just talk about something else.
And South Korea, and China. These countries are mostly athiestic and non religious and they are far more cohesive, safer and uniform than countries all over the world that have a largely religious influence or a religious population. Singapore is also a country where the population is very diverse in its religious beliefs and yet is one of the safest, most respectful, successful and most cohesive countries on the planet
He always does: "Dr Peterson what would you like for lunch?" "Well what do you even mean by 'lunch'? What is the definition and underlying metaphysical purpose? The consumption of nourishment can be viewed in both a pure Jungian sense as well as in an allegorical view of Solzhenitsyn's perspective on the orthodox interpretation of redemption of the human soul by physical means. Your question inevitably reflects the modern disenfranchisement of men from meaning driven by the neomarxist academia and cannot possibly be answered without understanding the roots of Western civilisation in both Judea-Christian thought and Stoic philosophy as well as the pagan mysticism that culminated not only in the writings of Bonaventura da Bagnoregio, but transcended the evolution of ideas all the way up to Gurdjieff and arguably Solomon Goldsmith. If I were to offer a very simple, utterly reductionist answer to your question, just for the purpose of practical discussion without spending any thoughts on the implications on society, I would probably reply "Medium rare steak with salt and a glass of water", but this answer is highly contextual and cannot be assumed to reflect any underlying truth." "Sir, this is a Wendy's."
i don't know, i thought it was an interesting hypothesis he put forward: a progressive refinement of values by amalgamation of polytheistic deities by way of abstraction to arrive at monotheism which then continues until the 'one true god' is finally abstracted away by the very process that created him
I am Indian , My Mom worships Ganesha as supreme My Wife Shiva My Father worships Universe/Soul as supreme (Advaita) I am an Atheist and there are atleast a 1000 more combinations in the entire family tree . We don't even discuss about it .
I love listening to Peterson when he's giving a talk or lecture on psychology. Anything else and he's infuriating. I think he's constantly attempting to explain himself to himself
I agree. He’s absolutely brilliant when it comes to taking ďown woke DEI snowflakes, militant feminists, and discussing the psychodynamic inter-workings of the human mind. But when it comes to religion and theology he is way, way out of his lane.
Oh thank you so much.. usually i tend to defend Jordan.. Just because i think that is lectures on psychology is amazing! I just respect the guy. I do wanna give him some credit.. But, when he became more famous and started talking about different matters like religion and even climate change (there is only 1 talk, in a school that i agree with him and it was a dark talk about our climate) So.. i don't know what he is thinking, i would love to have a chat with him. Because he is smart, he is capable of understanding difficult concepts.. That's why.. i'm just so.. surprised by Jordan, I don't know what's going on..
If you don’t get what the idea was in this video, then maybe go back to watching his other lectures or interviews because if you don’t comprehend something, it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. You are just probably unfocused or simply willfully blind
First of all this guy Sam does not know Hinduism enough. I am a Hindu from India and let me tell you Hinduism in monotheistic and one true God is the Param Barmha, and all the other deities are a form of the ParamBramha. The trinity of Barmha, Vishnu and Shiva are the three sides of the ParamBramha executing its different functionalities. And the other gods ranging from Ganesha, Kali etc are depictions of different aspects one would like to worship, like Saraswati god of Knowledge and Arts, Laxmi god of Wealth, Ganesha god of Prosperity and Knowledge and he is known for good omen thus all Puja should start with a mention of him. So wrong info guys its more complex than people think.
Okeii. There are literally number of school of thoughts in Hinduism other than Advaita Vedanta. Some believe in parabrahma, some believe in various puranic pantheon. Some believe in non vedic and non puranic folk deities. Some believe in ancestors. Some believe in nature. Some are strictly shruta (believe strictly in Vedas). So Hinduism is just an umbrella term used to categorise people other than Buddhists and jains.
There is no one system of Hinduism. There are six schools of Classical Hindu Philosophy: 1.Samkhya 2.Classical Yoga 3.Nyaya 4.Vaisesika 5.Mimamsa 6.Vedanta -Samkhya and Classical Yoga do not have a God,they see two eternal realities (Purusha or pure consciousness; Prakriti or the witnessed,it includes both mind and body). Realising the separation properly is Liberation. -Mimamsa is very interesting,it believes in rituals,rebirth, heaven,hell,etc but not God (they are the most conservative here). -Nyaya-Vaisesika are two connected schools that stress the importance of reason and argumentation,the former is monotheist while the latter seems to have started off as atheists and became monotheists later on. -Vedanta became the most important school in the medieval periods and have become the base of most of modern Hinduism. There are many sub-schools of this school,but the model of Vishistadvaita seems to be the most commonly accepted one among Hindus. This model can be imagined as: The world is a circle encompassed by the larger circle that is God,the world is part of God but not completely identical. This God however can be identified with different deities (Advaita Vedanta doesn't identify with any God,which they posit is not ultimately real) by different Hindus,the original Vishistadvaita school equates this absolute reality (Brahman) with Lord Vishnu. Some of the other schools are there but have very few followers today.
@@subhashanvs3229Yeah,there is nothing unifying all the philosophies and religions of Hinduism. There is nothing in common between Samkhya and Tantra I guess.
Rocky my friend you actually live under a rock, A British person taking shit is something no one cares, also your country is something no one will care about soon
Sam's work has " In Hinduism , the Universe is a modification of Brahma ". How many modern mainstream Hindu religious leaders can extol that subtle highly accurate principle ? It exists in the work of Adi Shankaracharya. He definitely know more than "nothing". He knows almost everything about the existential aspect (Brahma). Moral aspect since he hasn't commented on - let's leave that.
But are they able to back with evidence?? Study Hinduism, I am pretty sure you would find Christianity in it as a school of thought as well. It's technically religion of religions.@@benu_bird
@@benu_birdAnd that is precisely the point of the religions. You see, there's is no atheist version of a compiled system where there is the complete set of beliefs, morals, practices, rites of passage, to guide the individual along the way. In the same way that we use latitude and longitude to navigate the Earth, nobody wastes their time in debating the reality of latitude or longitude. Lat and long are used because it works for those who need to navigate. There are multiple coordinate systems, but they each help one navigate. People use religion like a map, and for them, that map helps them navigate their lives. Religions certainly do not map the course of humans lives with extreme precision, but then again, neither does science, so for me, the whole criticism is totally besides the point - and Sam's point of "lack of imagination" is really a backhanded compliment as this debate has gone on for hundreds of years, yet somehow, hundreds of years is just "lack of imagination" according to Harris. It really means, folks like Harris only have criticisms, not answers NOR useable replacements of what they criticize. That's why some atheist parents send kids to Christian schools - they don't want the kids to be "lost".
@@quantummotionRidiculous, the human species developed secular humanistic mores of behavior over tens of thousands of years of evolution and survival that are more moral than any theological version and are the reason that civilization prospered. Atheism is not a belief system, it only states that there is no evidence for the existence of a supernatural god. The secular humanist rules for living existed long before the Abrahamic religions and will continue to guide the human species long after those belief systems are studied right beside the other mythologies.
Where it is written that "Hindu" is way of life. Why even people are creating another nonsense? You can't categories us in a foreign word and foreign ideals. Simply call it our history..
There is no one system of Hinduism. There are six schools of Classical Hindu Philosophy: 1.Samkhya 2.Classical Yoga 3.Nyaya 4.Vaisesika 5.Mimamsa 6.Vedanta -Samkhya and Classical Yoga do not have a God,they see two eternal realities (Purusha or pure consciousness; Prakriti or the witnessed,it includes both mind and body). Realising the separation properly is Liberation. -Mimamsa is very interesting,it believes in rituals,rebirth,heaven,hell,etc but not God (they are the most conservative here). -Nyaya-Vaisesika are two connected schools that stress the importance of reason and argumentation,the former is monotheist while the latter seems to have started off as atheists and became monotheists later on. They are both Pluralists (accepting many types of "things"). -Vedanta became the most important school in the medieval periods and have become the base of most of modern Hinduism. There are many sub-schools of this school,but the model of Vishistadvaita seems to be the most commonly accepted one among Hindus. This model can be imagined as: The world is a circle encompassed by the larger circle that is God,the world is part of God but not completely identical. This God however can be identified with different deities by different Hindus,the original Vishistadvaita school equates this absolute reality (Brahman) with Lord Vishnu. Some of the other schools are there but have very few followers today.
@@PranabMallick. I consider all of these schools to be asktika and not naastika. (Maybe Caarvaaka = naastika, but only because they insist it is so. The only true pramaana is pratyaksha.)
@@AnAn___ The others don't include Vedas as pramana (source of knowledge) ,so shouldn't be considered Astika,because that's what the word means. And how would Ajñana be Astika? They are Skeptics.
The amount of ignorance these supposedly learned men have about eastern mysticism and Indian culture astonishes me. Sam Harris says there are probably 3 gods on top of the Hindu pyramid. Wrong! Jordan Peterson probably is more accurate this time when he says that there is a modicum of singularity at the top but ruins it mentioning some type of god which is comparable to western faith. The fact is that the Hindu Brahman (not to be confused by caste) is the all pervasive force which is the core of everything cosmic including a non linear time which is nothing like the god of Abrahamic faiths. BTW, Hinduism accommodates atheism as well as part of its discourse. It's very frustrating as a Hindu to see these 'enlightened' immaculately dressed characters in an elegant setting in front of an audience broaching a culture they have no idea about. Having said this, I must also mention that I have great respect for some of the views of some of these gents, especially Douglas Murray and Harris.
What does all that matter? Hinduism is as much a false belief as any other religion. There is no evidence indicating the existence of any god or gods. There IS evidence CONTRAINDICATING any god. And a god or gods are logically impossible. So it's all woo-woo. Watching two people argue about which religion is the "right one" is no different than watching two children arguing over whose imaginary friend is real.
@@Vintage-Bob "Hinduism is as much a false belief as any other religion" We aren't believers dear friend, we are seekers😊. People come here to seek. Some of us think that everything is a maya(illusion) and we are living in simulations. Who knows🤷🏽♂️
yeah the thing is people keep coming to attack at hinduism without even know how the word originated, hindu originated from sindhu by greeks, the original name was "dharma" or "duty /proper behaviour" said by krishna in the Bhagvad gita, calling it a religion itself shows how little you know about it.
@@JodioJoestar-by8sn Calling a religion a religion is what sane people do. Hinduism is literally, unequivocally and unarguably a religion. Just because one 'believes' it is above or beyond that simple concept does not make it so.
I, as a Hindu, having read Puranas, Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita, Itihaasa, even for me it is mind blowing and feel as if I know nothing, however Westerner, White folks, love to preach with confidence as if they know Hinduism & have the answers. Many years ago, before internet-social media days, arriving in the US, I was asked (in grammar school) which caste I belonged to and I had never heard of that India. Seeds of hatred towards Indians/Hindus, are planted early at churches, schools, and at home.
@@TsunamiBaba Ah, so... it has less to do with insight and understanding and belonging and spiritualism more about those with better educations and lighter skins not buying the brahamnshite? I see...
@@TsunamiBaba So it's less to do with insight and understanding and more about those with better education and lighter skin actually reading those things and not buying the brahmans**t?
Hinduism is not a religion. It's just a cultural continuity. If you don't understand this in the first place, the whole conversation becomes pointless.
I love how because Sam knows who he's talking to he feels the need to add "if the word... means anything" so it doesn't become entirely caught up in semantics.
@@jonah9861After they become too old for the local priest ? I'm not even sure where I mentioned atheism in my original comment. It was a comment on language alone..
Wow, Jordan Peterson just has zero self-awareness. He seems be to listening, but then he stammeringly says "OK, so, let's go back to the superhero idea ..." He's just in his own head so much that he can't keep up with the flow of the discussion at all.
...I agree, he's really just an academic with an angle. I can't stand listening to him even though I might agree with much he says. His unresolved issues to do with Christianity often get in the way. Like most psychologists he's never taken a more full journey so is a part of the problem he is purporting to cure.
And, Sam Harris is speaking to Jordan. When word salad begins from Jordan he looks to his followers, and you could see his body language preach to the people.
The guy looks for any and every plausible excuse to not contribute to the discussion substantively. He relies upon the politeness of anyone he talks to to allow him to change the subject on a whim and not call him out on it.
Hindus means Sanatana Dharma means Hindus. For a Hindu devotee (irrespective of Gender), never fears One's God, is happy with his God, sees God in an idol, in a picture, in everything, even in nothing, interacts with himself, studies life and God, rejects God or decides God, chooses his God, could be one or many, for the devotee sees the one God in all Gods, and all Gods in One God, his God, even rejects and then accepts God, thinks, studies and writes philosophy keeping his God as the prime factor, keeps interacting with himself and with his God, decides One's own Karma, most times under the Sanskars given by One's elders, the good Guru, does One's Karma which becomes the dharma, the Sanatana Dharma, based on which the present happenings occur, accepts the good and bad happenings taking place with Oneself based on One's Karma and the wishes of God, analyses One's Karma, improves the Karma, even blames all powerful omnipresent God, judges God, gets upset with God, even Angry with God, apologises to God, loves God, thanks God, bathes his God, dresses his God, even feeds God, immerses in his bhakti to God, chants the name and sings and praises the glory of God, understands one's limitations, understands and accepts God to be the all in all and all in everything, wanting to win the love of his God. The Devotee is happy in their world, lives in this World and the other world which a devotee traverses when interacting with God but at the same time moves on doing his Karma in the present world, his Dharma, in the world sent by God, to live in the sent time, that too is under the control of all powerful God and so can be altered by God, to whom the devotee feels will be returning in the end then will the fate of the devotee be decided for future births again based on the whole Karma that the devotee did in this life, to redeem his present, past and future life, then in the end unites with God. The Devotee moves on with his life doing his Karma, his Bhakti (interacting with God), is happy at times, sad at times, calm at times, contended or discontended at times, traverses the path of life and in the end feels he is now with going to be with God to decide his fate, to either become one with God or again take rebirth facing the cycle of new life as decided by God, doing his Karma, his dharma.
@@TheMan-je1iy i believe we all stand before God to be judged... and i have received the grace through Jesus Christ's death on the cross... what is your position bro?
It ok, over time he has simplified his arguments. Now it’s simply ‘Everything traditional and conservative is good, if good means anything. Anything progressive and liberal is bad, if bad means anything’ original eh?
@@bogdanpopescu1401 Defeating our animalistic instincts of tribal othering, emotional decision making, the lack of collective benefit and an appreciation of divergent experiences, and most certainly the value of critical thinking and a rejection of disengaging from morality via divine deputization of an ancient ethno-religion and its later editions. All you need to know about the failure of religion can be easily illustrated in the institution of slavery over the past 5000 years!!
Why do people "expertly" assume they know all about Sanatan (Hindu) in couple of statements? They are not even willing to understand the 'way of life' where we are grateful for everything in nature and hence revere them. They just shout out aha! thousands of Gods! No. Its just that we revere every creation of God especially that which benefits the society and self. And since a common person is incapable of focus on the unseen creator of existence (The One) we choose a shape that best 'reminds' us of Him and allows us to live in a society positively without "killing" and "converting'. Also, Sanatan (Hindu) is a way of life where you are free to choose your own version of "God" and "prayers" while on your path to SEEK the truth. The 3 Gods he is talking about is our way to associate the ruler/doer of the perpetual cycles of Birth-Living life-Death. Which means manifestation from the unmanifested, life in physical form (as we know it now and here) with its trials and tribulations, then back into unmanifested 'substance'....All this under the One...Understand the difference between deity and God
No mate, Hindus are not monotheistic. And we do not worship a creator god; neither do we worship a high god for the act of creation. You are just juxtaposing your basic religious understanding which is monotheism to a Hindu setting, which is why this is so off-base. Please reconsider.
Why do people “ expertly “ assume they know all - That’s Humanity my friend. Just look at your fingers are they all the same? The obvious answer is a “ No” and there lies your answer. Peace and Acceptance.
In Hinduism we worship different Hindu gods and every individual is free to worship whichever god he wants. We do not pressurize, cajole or persuade anyone to follow any set of rule or any religious book in Hinduism.
The World is slowly waking up to the Ancient Knowledge Text, & Scriptures of Sanatan Dharm / Hinduism... The Advance Knowledge in the Vedas, Upanishads, are amazing. Scientology, Mathematics, Cosmology, Technology and so much more.. Hence why main stream archaeologists are too scared to even talk about it. because Vedas, Upanishads, supersedes everything else... Sanatan Dharm / Hinduism is not just a religion, its a way of life. Philosophy Hare Krishna, Jai Shree Ram, Har Har Mahadev. 🙏🙏
You believe that your own thoughts are real although they’re merely the byproduct of electricity and chemicals that vaguely map onto reality. Should you be strictly limited to the thoughts that you can demonstrate are concretely in reality?
@@etaggedWhat an absurd non sequitur. How does thoughts being the byproduct of electrical impulses make them less real? lol. I think you tried to use some silly argument from an apologist and didn’t even manage to do it well.
@@LeoVital If a lamp crackled, would you derive linguistic meaning from it? If your brain crackles and neurological circuitry allows it to condense into thought, would you take that seriously? If you accept brain discharge as thought is real, although there is no demonstrable connection to reality, then do you accept that much of the world can appear as fiction, unproven and imaginative. Whether fiction is "real" is a complex question and your comment shows that you dismiss before you use your brain.
@@av1421 Yeah... still no credit is given to us.... Here in India you'll find Nav-baudhs and K2was claiming our lagacy... and in the west it's Chinese, Greeks, Arabs... All the great knowledge appropreated by others with zero credits to us... the Monotheism got it's roots in Bhagwadgita that dates back to ages ago.. even before Abrahim..
Jesus, Peterson is off his rocker. This man says nothing valuable. I think he's truly flipped. This is getting scary with how out of touch with any degree of practical living. The man is in trouble.
Peterson is a dilettante and a bullshit artist. I think it comes from his sophomoric attitude of, I learned a lot about psychology, so I should be able to infer valid conclusions about anything humans have done without seriously studying. It’s just built on narcissism, and this is why people have come to be anti-intellectual: Arrogant, (over?)educated people thinking they know more about the world than people outside the ivory tower without a PhD. I will say that I’ve been through grad school, have gone to many conferences and given papers at them, and some people with PhDs are some of the dumbest people when it comes to real-world knowledge and wisdom, so when they’re faced with a real world scenario, not a hypothetical, they can’t help but feel like they know what’s up and try to apply their theoretical framework where it doesn’t make sense in reality. Peterson (and his ilk) are very similar to the far left academics, in that they love the mental masturbation of theory and think they can shoehorn it into everyday life. There’s a place for academic discourse, and it should be left to the academy and academic journals, so stay in your lane.
What we call Hinduism as religion today is actually mostly Brahminism in practice as it was for thousand of years , it is only recently started being named as religion like Christianity and islam after contact with Muslims/Persians when they named the followers of culture of Indian subcontinent as Hindus. In Brahmin/Hindu texts the word Hindu or Hinduism is nowhere mentioned. -An Indian.
@ssdaqwe2578 I see that you are worried that by equating Hindu/dharmic tradition to Abrahamic religions, the latter could have more competition. Moreover, you are also wrongly assuming that by pointing to "Brahminism" or "caste discrimination" or lusty stories in Hindu puranas or immoral behavior by birth based Hindus, you think that Hindu dharmic tradition can be invalidated. Sorry to burst your bubble. In Hindu/Dharmic tradition, there is no concept of god or heaven or hell. So, it can't be equated with Abrahamic religions. Moreover, HINDU/Dharmic tradition also cannot be invalidated by history or any social issue or book because it is based on Vedic metaphysics which can be validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience. But nice try.
do the concept of religion exist in those books. you trying to paint it as brahminism when it's mentioned nowhere say's a lot about your agenda. btw you know that yahweh/allah is a pagan god right?
@@yt.personal.identification it's just a fact I guess 🤷🏼♂️ anyone who was raised without the influence of religion around them remains eternally between the ages of 13 and 19... A true fountain of youth at last !
Petersen just overthinks and over speaks and really says nothing much. As a narciscists he loves the sound of his own voice. Yours humbly and G'day from Australia 🇦🇺 ha ha 😂
lol Yes. Although these discussions will be had,I think those who listen to them should consider Democritus' take - "Verily,we can know nothing,the truth is buried deep."
Since school I had the image in my head of extremely intelligent and advanced aliens essentially playing sims with humans on earth and entertaining themselves by observing humans trying to figure out what our purpose is and seeing us struggle with our relatively tiny IQ
He actually mentioned Hinduism well in a sense. All gods and goddess are said to be part of the same. Sam was wrong, the trinity is only a part of it. The actual ultimate state in Hinduism is known as "Para Brahman". Means everything and beyond everything. People interpret this phenomenon in different ways. & Hinduism acknowledges different individuals to experience this ultimate phenomenon through different ways. That's the difference between Hinduism and Abrahmic religions.
Hinduism is a religion that has time spanning to 155 trillion years. Hindu scriptures have explicitly mentioned how people in Kaliyuga (the present evil cycle) would act and behave, and every day, these prophecies are becoming true, and abrahamic religions having existence of only 2000-3000yrs is not going to change nothing this evil time they will spread and again as times passes they will cease
I was raised without religion. I wasn’t taught to be an atheist it’s just that religion wasn’t something that my parents talked about or passed on to me or my siblings. I wasn’t told that there was a super being in the sky judging me or that if I did something wrong or didn’t love an unseen super being that I would be tortured for eternity. I am extremely thankful for that. I have given that gift to my children as well.
When you say, "if I did something wrong", implies that there is an inherent "right or wrong". Who gets to decide? I'd like to posit, most religions. Also that, your upbringing allows you to make that decision for yourself. Bravo.
Jordan Peterson often seems to think purely creatively. As in, he just comes up with explanations for phenomenon that he likes, links it to myth, then asserts it. No retrospection required.
He’s a prophet. The urantia papers would help these discussion further forward scientifically as a tension resolving fetishized religions through faith testing
He had to fold his shirt slowly and deliberately to show how muscular his arms are. His brain needed to see that to feel powerful before his verbal diarrhea on something nobody paid attention to.
@@kelliott7864 He has a massive ego that he has built over many decades of teaching, arguing and participating in intense debates. To make things worse for him, his followers (women haters) worship him and he likes all that adoration. Now he is so preconditioned (strong neural pathways) that even if he wants to control himself, he won't be able to. His strong preconditioning lets him down very badly when he gets into the religious arena. He looks downright stupid when he argues in favor of his religion. To me he sounds mentally unstable.
We do not attach any importance to deities unless we appreciate the values they stand for and Hinduism simply allows for a very wide gamut of values. One does not argue with the other when both are seekers - we assimilate
'We do not attach any importance to deities" It depends on the definition of "importance" (which can be different depending on the context). Stone deities in Hindu temples are objects of attraction for focus and meditation (for reaching momentary samadhi state which is nothing but disappearance of observed/observer duality) in the presence of Sanskrit mantra vibrations. Stone deities are also symbolic representation of well validated vedic metaphysics, nature and laws of nature.
When he says "they (super heros) act out...the hero archetype, that's the technical reason" we see the extent to which Peterson holds Jungianism as a reified ideology and not just an interpretative framework. That explains Peterson's essentialist view of gender, which Jung also held. Peterson needs to take the next step and apply the anti-ideology stance he wields against Marxism and Wokeism to his own ideology. Take the beam out of his own eye as Jesus put it.
can you connect the dots for me as how the Jungian concept of archetypes inspires his essentialist view of gender? Also how do you make a proper distinction between how certain concepts are treated as ideological truths vs simply the interpretive framework? Any example (pertaining to that distinction) will be much appreciated. Thanks!
@@ujjwalrayamajhi1014 Ha! I admit, a more serious response than I was expecting! What I mean by reified ideology is taking things like "hero archetype" "collective unconscious" etc as actually existing things that exist for everybody whether they're aware of them or not. Same way Marxists use "proletariat" "class struggle" etc. Then people who explain psychology or political economy in different terms are simply wrong. Jung (IMO) takes the masculine and the feminine that way, as actually existing cosmic principles, and Peterson follows Jung in this. OTOH if one uses "hero archetype", "class struggle" and "feminine principle" as useful interpretive categories, others remain free to use different terms without being simply wrong. Quite different from a person who interprets chemical experiments with some personal periodic table. Such an interpretation would be simply wrong. Carbon and hydrogen are not interpretive categories, they do actually exist for everyone.
He needs to take the logical next step and give his life to Jesus, the actual Creator God. All this evolution of hero stories into one truth bearing, but story god, makes zero sense in any direction.
The Council Of Nicaea created Christianity with the aim of mass psychological warfare that turns people into sheeple, to "Divide & Conquer/Rule" and to make it easy to commit slavery, Genocide and Ethnocide, Indentureship (Slavery 2.0), to invade converted lands to loot and plunder, to make converted lands into vassal states, etc. Example: Each Greek citizen was a warrior. A warrior could kill soldiers from sunrise till sunset, so a warrior could be equated to a lion while soldiers could be equated to wolves. An army of wolves cannot defeat a smaller army comprised of lions so it was imperative for the wolves to change the lions into sheep to conquer them. For this reason Christianity was created to give to the intended victims of invasions/attacks to make them more accepting of the invasions and attackers as they both shared something in common which is Christianity. Christianity taught the lions the following: * Love your (Christian) enemies as you love yourself. * Slaves, obey your earthly (Christian) Masters as you obey the lord thy God. * Forgive your (Christian) Oppressors/Invaders. * Pay your tithes (taxes) to your Christian Oppressors/Invaders. * Give unto Caesar (Christian Oppressors/Invaders) what belongs to Caesar, which is tires/taxes/resources from invaded lands gathered with the labour of the invaded peoples. * Do not fight for a place in the earthly kingdom as you will get a heavenly kingdom, meaning you are born to be under the feet, whip and oppression of Christian Invaders. * It is not your place to deliver yourself but you should wait for a Christian Messiah/Saviour who will never come to free you. * If a Christian Invader slaps you on one cheek then give him the other cheek to slap. * If a Christian Invader takes away your coat then you should give him your tunic as well. * ETC. Krishna Neeti (The Teachings Of Krishna) and other aspects of Hinduism was spread to Rome by Roman Traders after visiting India and then amended and adulterated by the Council Of Nicaea to such a great extent to create a new religion called Christianity.
@@theunknownatheist3815 yes it acknowledges a single Supreme formless reality while encouraging worship on a personal level to any forms, each of which symbolize aspects of the Supreme. There's no conflict between this in the Hindu world view.
Actually you're sold to the idea that in order to look good in society you have to call monotheistic. Hindu thought is older than monotheism. The creation of universe has never been the focus of Hinduism. There's like one myth about it. People probably never took it seriously when it first came up. Hinduism deals with experience of humans. The claim of Hinduism is that there's a higher reality called Brahman which can be experienced in this lifetime. All text written by Hindus is written by humans and nothing is divinely inspired by one true god. It's all human scripture. Doesn't mean it's bullshit. It's a start pad to launch yourself into spirituality. Lot of scripture is nonsense. You need lot of discernment and mental exercises to improve your experience of life. That's what a true Hindu does. Don't call it monotheistic. Don't try to fit it in abhramic world. It's a distinct thing itself.
@@nordkm5464 The way I'd interpret this is that we Hindus gave God human forms so we could understand them in a simple way. Ultimately God is, and is in, everything. Or nothing. I'm not sure what to really make of that system, but it helps me stay grounded.
3:40 The thing about the modern superheroes matching ancient archetypes is that this is the deliberate and conscious intention of the people at Marvel and in related companies producing this form of _entertainment._ It's rather like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Yes, our modern superheroes match the old superheroes, because the people _making them up_ intend exactly that. There is nothing profound here. This is not some deep and meaningful insight into the core of human nature. This is just drama, stories that excite because we were born and raised in cultures that taught us to be excited about this stuff. Growing up is about learning that you need to get up in the morning, go to work, do your best, pay your bills on time and put some money in savings at the end of the month. It's about learning to protect your own emotional health while nurturing the health of those around you. It's not about becoming a hero, striving to embody some Jungian archetype. That just leads to dissatisfaction, feelings of inadequacy, unrealistic desires. You can find more joy in life, more joy in being alive, just eating a slice of fresh baked bread with an excellent cheese, alongside just the right wine ... or enjoying a really good beer on a hot summer day ... or nuzzling your lover and inhaling his or her scent ... then you will ever find striving to live up to a fantasy. Fulfillment is here, and now, whenever you are ready for it.
Wonderful post, thankyou. I had a Chinese banquet last night with my wife and children. If I had to thank every person in history for making that possible I'd need to live another life to have the time. To quote a fictional person, "We really did have it all didn't we". Dr Randall Mindy, Don't Look Up.
So true! As the polytheistic Hindu would say- your heaven and hell are here. It's up to you to decide how you want to live and what you want to attain.
I agree that happiness/fulfilment is not a distant thing that needs to be "attained". But there are higher states of mind that can be experienced which are not immediately available. We need a practice that enables us to achieve that. We need to fight out lower nature and hence "the hero's journey".
Yeah, sure, but you are intentionally or unintentionally lowering the standards of what humans are capable of. You are also accepting the premise that actually people are not really different at all, that they are homogenous and are sort of distributed across a single line representing some aspect of what it is to be a human. You wake up in the morning because some other human more powerful than you engineered your life according to his benefit, his vision. You dont see him because he is too powerful in his own right, almost like a God - a fantasy, right ? So it can't be real, right ? The pathetic truth is that you wake up in the morning, smell your lover, and save the extra every month because that is all you have been allowed to do. And that is all you have been allowed to grow into liking. You think you aren't romanticizing, but you are.
Zero knowledge about Hinduism... Acting all high and mighty...😂😂 I pity the western "experts" when they try to comprehend about the ideas Hinduism and failing miserably 😂
As an agnostic Hindu, I can assure you the debate is still out as to which is the most superior of Gods, and will continue for a pretty long time! There are religions and Dharma. In religions such as Christianity, Islam, Judaism and Communism, the truth is given. In Dharma, whether Hindu, Jain, or Buddhist, the debate is still on.
C'mon Murray, the question "What are we doing here?" Is at least 2500 years old. Ever heard of Occidental and Oriental philosophy before? Socrates, Plato, Buddha etc. What a quack!
I didn't question the relevance of the age old question. I questioned Murrays statement. Timestamp: 2:37 "What are you doing here, what are we doing here?"..."To be the FIRST people in HUMAN HISTORY to have absoloutly no explanation for what we are doing at all". Anybody who have read a few pages of historical philosophy knows that this question is one of the biggest and oldest questions in all of mankind, that's why I have to call him a quack.
@@Somebody-Somewhere- Surely his point was that previous civilizations have made up answers, usually involving their religion, whereas today we don't even bother to ask the question because we know there's no 'reason' that we're here other than an accident of nature i.e. evolution by means of natural selection.
@@vatsmith8759 Surely that is not true. Christians(Over 2 billion) Muslims(1,6 billion) don't subscribe to the no "No reason" and "Accident of nature" idea. And to say that we don't even bother to ask that question anymore, is just not so. Do you live under a rock or something? Billions ask that question everyday!
Hi duism is the most peace ful religion and talks about intelligance with wisdom with socisl resposibility I can bet no orher religion in this world even thinks zbout it Hindu pholosophy us many centurires,ahead of its time As abrahamic ohilosophies are shallow thay think in such shallow ness about others Hinduism s basic core is that a that human being snd its soul is a,part od universal consciousness Every concious being has a universal conciousness within it
I like that last bit about how religion could very easily be a complete fabrication with no truth in it at all, but over the centuries because people have values it so much, it now holds value, but not because it actually has any value itself, but because of the value attached to it.
Sure.. but then you’re left with the question of which values becomes embedded and why. What constitutes and enduring value? What is the origin of a value and what is its function? Is it cultural or ecological? What fundamentally is the difference?
He implies at 4:51 that all 1.4 billion people are Hindus. India is a secular country and has a large population of Muslims, too. Of course, there are Christians and even Jews.
@@GibbDibb Peterson's assessment comes from a lack of knowledge about Hinduism. Hinduism doesn't reject other religions or their beliefs. It believes that multiple paths can lead one to God.
@@GibbDibbit's not possible in a culture that has already reached that conclusion. And their conclusion is beyond any thinkable concept of a "God" that's why they give much more importance to experience and divine revelation. That's why they're so mystical.
Peterson is clueless about the whole concept of superheroes. They are a unique notion in human history in that they are a secular humanist construct. They are not gods (Thor aside, and even he has been reduced in the movies to being a powerful alien) nor do they do good to please any god or gods. They do good, as the old song says, for goodness' sake.
Many cultures have superheroes in their myths. The issue, is that the West got rid of them with Christianity, and replaced them with saints, which are not the same in doing those things. Heck, Polynesian myth has them that are closer to what both Superman and Batman both do. Many of them are also actually historical figures, that were transitioned into mythical figures. Which is why superheroes are not as popular there, except for the supervillains. Those characters are REALLY popular, especially Gorilla Grodd in NZ, entirely because Polynesian mythology does not have them, and when they do show up, they are best described as never to be interacted with, unless the gods say they have to.
@@shauntempley9757 From my readings of folklore and mythology, "super heroes" in past cultures usually had some motivation like the quest for fame or power. or were in the service of some liege lord or tribal identity. None of that generally applies to the modern version, who protect the innocent and fight evil because, as the famous saying goes, with great power comes great responsibility.
@@c.a.t.732 Yes, except there are many of those figures in Polynesian myth that do protect the innocent and fight evil. These figures are not mythological figures, these are historical ones, and in NZ, us Maori make them every time a tangi happens. We tell stories of the person that has died. The good, bad and ugly things they did, or thought, and our reactions to them. Once the grieving is over the most important of those things remain to be remembered, and it can be the bad, or the good.
@@shauntempley9757 With all due respect, I don't see how historical heroes of a culture (like some war hero who bravely fought the enemy in battle, as commonly revered in many lands) are the same as fictional superheroes, who risk their lives on a regular basis and have no particular tribal or cultural link.
@@bogdanpopescu1401 …It is Sam’s lane, or expertise. You may not like what Sam says, but whether you like something or not has no bearing on its truth.
No he just used example to define deity or a material form of God or incarnation ( and i personally liked the example) even if you think comic or superhero are childish , the more emphasis was on the understanding from example but you focused on example rather his point
One thing either say sanatan of hindu dhram because Hinduism's full form is hindu it sure a mith , west used our own sanskrit ward mithya (fantasy) to down play our own culture. JAI SANATAN 🚩🔥🚩🔥🚩🔥🚩
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1:50 relying on religion to build moral structure is a systemic failure of our education system which should be teaching ethics and logical reasoning for highschool aged teens. Secular philosophy classes would be far better equipped to helping guide people towards more sound moral thinking and society needs to recognize we can build better ethics without religion. We can and we do.
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Two people are debating about Indian theology without knowing about it. That sums up the whole world right now.
Sam Harris was claiming to speak for Indian theology, not Jordan Peterson who was merely putting religious development in a historic context. Peterson's general notion of religious development is correct.
That sums up the american actually, in every world matter.
@@CribNoteswhat he said was the exact opposite in hinduism
@@CribNotes Indian theology is not about hero worship. People in the region worship what they believe is the most important thing in their life. Like for many Hindus of North is Ganga(river) and for many Hindus in the northern part of the Deccan plateau is kaveri( river). You also corrected him without knowing about it at all. Conviction has become cursed for society. There was a time when debate was the path for truth. Now it turns into a battle where one person wants to outsmart another.
There is no one system of Hinduism.
There are six schools of Classical Hindu Philosophy:
1.Samkhya
2.Classical Yoga
3.Nyaya
4.Vaisesika
5.Mimamsa
6.Vedanta
-Samkhya and Classical Yoga do not have a God,they see two eternal realities (Purusha or pure consciousness; Prakriti or the witnessed,it includes both mind and body). Realising the separation properly is Liberation.
-Mimamsa is very interesting,it believes in rituals,rebirth,
heaven,hell,etc but not God (they are the most conservative here).
-Nyaya-Vaisesika are two connected schools that stress the importance of reason and argumentation,the former is monotheist while the latter seems to have started off as atheists and became monotheists later on.
-Vedanta became the most important school in the medieval periods and have become the base of most of modern Hinduism.
There are many sub-schools of this school,but the model of Vishistadvaita seems to be the most commonly accepted one among Hindus. This model can be imagined as:
The world is a circle encompassed by the larger circle that is God,the world is part of God but not completely identical. This God however can be identified with different deities by different Hindus,the original Vishistadvaita school equates this absolute reality (Brahman) with Lord Vishnu.
Some of the other schools are there but have very few followers today.
I remember once Jordan profiled Goddess Kali as evil 😂 While in reality she is the destroyer of evil herself. It's better to shut your mouth and accept that you don't know about certain things rather than peddling BS.
Yeah it's crazy if he read literally any book on Hinduism he would know that. It's amazing how little people know about Hinduism and openly discuss it and give false information. Even though there is a wide body of available information
Many people from the west misinterpret the Kali from kaliyug to Kaali the goddess.
Maa Kali is furious and angry version of Maa Parvati.
When Maa Parvati gets furious, then demons and even gods don't dare to come in front of her.
And Maa Kali is above all Gods or Goddesses. She is the destroyer and she is the creator as well.
what happens when a human dies? i was born and still living i india...f or 52 years.. so far no one has had an idea about what is india and when it was formed...and hinudism is a mixed up demonic idea...taking people to hell and also currently living in hell for many..
Men from patriarchal societies have been taught a women is one-dimensional (mother, soft, submissive) and that any other expression is evil (anger). It would be OK for someone uneducated to not understand this, but he has no excuse unless he chooses to be a misogynist. I think truly though, he dislikes any feminine aspect of himself.
I am an Hindu and Indian. I find this childish. They don't know what they are talking about.
Agree. Blatantly wrong comparison drawn.. by logical people.. which makes me conclude they are unaware of the topic yet indulging in it.. why I wonder
They aren't childish but rather political adults indulging in immaturity.
Being an Indian or a Hindu doesn't necessarily mean you understand either of the two.
@@FoursWithin Yes.. Yes right.. Articulate people from outside know better rather than the people walking the path.. The only religious people intentionally get way from indulging in to mass violence. The Only religion teaches mind your own business.. The only religious people who values the importance of family.. Where the elders takes the burden of guiding their younger generation.
@@rameshkumarpenmetsa
If you are a Hindu (or a follower of any religion) you can look around at your community and know what I stated
is a simple fact.
That is if you actually already
know the overall fundamentals
about said religion.
Those who don't also do not understand how much rumour and misinformation swirls around many religious circles.
None of these brilliant individuals know anything about Hinduism
how can they? when Indians themselves don't know..and it's better this way
@Skyo.o you westerners love to pick on Hindus and Indians but yet going strong 💪 😅😂
@smurug85 calm down the going strong part. We are only slowly progressing.
@@smurug85what do you mean by “going strong”? Are you referring to your rate of reproduction like rabbits? 😂
@@clorofilaazul actually our fertility is 2.4...just above optimum population stability rate...one reason for a big population..is becoz...we are the oldest civilization...and only ancient surviving culture..so we have been around for a while...case closed...lol
Christianity - God is One
Islam - God is One
Hinduism - God is All
We're Gods.. we just don't realise it.. well, some of us don't.. 😉
Would you consider Hinduism monotheistic, polytheistic, or pantheistic?
@@HangrySaturn Hinduism is monotheistic in its essence , confused as polytheism. All the gods and deities are expansions of different aspects of one brahm or the parmatma
@@HangrySaturn All of the above. According to Hindu philosophy, the cosmos and everything in it is holy. Including you. Tat Tvam Asi. You choose how you both express and revere the cosmos in you. The only thing that binds you is your Karma. That is, cause and effect. Namaste literally means’ “I salute the divine in you.” Namaste.
@@VarunStream inki samajh ke bahar h yeh sab
As a hindu i dont have any problem with people who criticize Hinduism but criticise on merits . These people don't know even 1% about Hinduism. They just know some bullet points casteism, social hierarchy, polytheism, idol worshipping etc and they talk rubbish.
well they talk shit not merrit
Most of them are christian missionaries or just bigots
shiva pls tell what do you think or believe about hindusim?
then what else is hinduism?tell
@@lavanlavan4011 If you think this is Hinduism, explaining anything will waste my time.
@@lavanlavan4011 Hinduism is more of a culture and way of living than religion , hindu Gods never said to outcast kill or anything to people who don't believe in them , in Hinduism the ground to going hell or heaven decides on the karma you've accumulated throughout your life and not on what God you worshipped , according to Hinduism u can be an atheist and still go to heaven if u were a Good person
Hindus and Indians are easy targets for these pseudo intellectuals in West. But thanks to god Both Hindus and Indians are thriving and growing strong 💪 ❤
Thanks to what god?!
@@Satheesh-Catholic anyone but not yours
@Satheesh-Catholic yeah you are a convert what will you know? You are neither here or there....haha 😃
@rkcjk21 bro he is a converted guy...I speak to Catholics from Most Catholic countries and they consider these converts not equal to them...these guys neither belong here nor there
@@Satheesh-Catholic same gods which your ancestors were worshipping
I can tell you The reason most middle class to upper middle class Hindu or Buddhist families send their kids to Catholic schools is not because they prefer their kids to have a Christian education, it’s because they don’t think much of public schools and the private schools are Catholic. They don’t mind the religiosity of the school bc at home the child will be practing it’s own faith with it's family.
That the logic..practice your religion at home...its your personal connection with God.
@@InjusticeinIndia and christian schools are notorious for brainwashing and pressuring those little kids talking shite about their religion
100%
My thoughts as well. Parents don't necessarily want the religion, they want the private education which is shown to have better outcomes for kids.
From religion itself to marriages & funeral least to say about schools owned & run by Hindus are awful.
Just like your multitude of gods have sagas of corruption, bribery, treachery, lying, so are of these vices seen in hindus.
Hindus schools are for minting money, they love hoarding up money. Greedy just like gods
Reminded me of the story of five blind men trying to describe an Elephant. 😅😂🤣
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You got it exactly..💯
The best comment here 🤣🤣
Perfect example!
As a Hindu I am fairly open to opinions and ready to accept logical explanations. I may still keep believing in our deities and their powers but will never question the scientific phenomenons and will never grow hate in my heart for anyone who doesn’t believe the same way I do.
That's what Sanatan Dharma is.
divyasharma what happens when a human dies accroding to your hindu belief system?
@rock.manithan, I will answer that question for you. Within my religion there are multiple schools of thought. Some believe in rebirth, some in nothingness like aethist do. There is no exclusive one particular book that we follow. My culture perhaps is the only religion which accepts Aethists too. It is hard for abrahamic religions to understand what is really going on and what are we following. We are simply picking the most convenient positive aspect justifying what conforms to our own personal ideology
@@Rock.manithanas hindu i can say i don’t know . Hinduism is freedom and liberation… if you know for sure based on your experience prove it otherwise just be humble enough to say you don’t know and atleast say its your wish
@@Rock.manithanu know karma .. u rebirth until u move above the cycle of life ..
The fact that they are classifying Hinduism as a religion, in itself show how little they have the understanding of sanata Dharma, westerns will always try to look at everything through their own lens , even if it doesn't fit.
Relegion is something which has set of beliefs and principles often around some higher power. That's what relegion means fyi.
Edit: It's not necessary to have one path, one god, one founder, one book to form a religion. Stop using that Strawman argument everyone. Enough. And there are 4200 religions in the world not 3 abrahamic religions that people are obsessed with here.
Principles mean kind off guidance. Principles are not rigid that's what makes them different from laws. I'm compelled to discuss basic word meanings here due to ignorance of people here.
Stop sending me bs notifications if you don't have a strong point. And hindus please don't comment about Christianity because none of you have knowledge about it. I know it hurts when someone misrepresent hinduism so wish you people will also not do the same with Christianity. I'll have sympathy with the fragile party.
@@GloomyGlue agreed, that's how abhramic religion's work, that's not how sanatan dharama work, there is no set principles or one book or one path, like universe and nature there are multiple view point, methods. And hence not a religion especially not in abhramic context
@@rohan3585 I already know that was coming. There isn't belief that there is a true self in every human? There isn't belief that there is a jivaatman? Atleast use your brain rather than just spamming whatever preached by Twitter intellectuals on the internet. Duties Dharma is a principle itself.
@@GloomyGlue I don't need to spam, it's you who felt the need to explain it to me, so then debate in detail with proper reference, which principal and philosophy are you talking about, is it Samkhya, Yoga, Nyaya,Vaisheshika,Mīmāṃsā or is it Vedanta, or is it something from the four vedas, or something from the upanishad, be specific, just calling people names only makes you ignorant, and I prefer the old way of getting knowledge, either from the elders of my house or by reading, never felt the need to use twitter. In no way I am trying to fight here, if you want a meaningful debate/vaad like Shankarayacharya used to do then feel free, Kindly don't name call or get personal
dharma karma are the superstructure Peterson is talking about. except he's using it to make an argument for garden variety monotheism
Dharmic religions > Abrahamic cult who punish people just because you don't subscribe to thier GOD .
Separate the religious content in monotheism from the cult following. Dharma led me directly to the path of Christ, as a character of the highest Dharma - he is essentially the Western Buddha.
@@eneveasi Your god doesn't have consciousness to identify good and people and give reward on the basis of belief in trinity. Either God doesn't have consciousness to identify good or people, or your religion is nothing but a cult.
@@eneveasi What is in a name rather than the substance. You have run into too fast a solution
Bro we eat A Tasty Juicy Cow beef with red wine on it 😂
@@Fiyshem nothing to do with christianity haha infact most of the hindus are meat eaters
So this insult is lame don't you think
Peterson's argument of the inevitability of monotheism in a culture is fallacious. The first very problematic assumption is that the dominant monotheistic religions of our times .i.e Christianity and Islam, emerged as an organic cultural process and spread organically, which they clearly didn't. They became prominent in large part as political ideologies, and spread through coercion and conquest.
As for the example of hindusim. There is indeed a "one" all-encompassing reality that includes and supercedes the universe called "brahman". But unlike, abrahamic religions, the creator and the "archetypical superhero" or the god aren't conflated. This addresses the abrahamic concern of idol/image worship better than abrahamism, while retaining literal idol worship in the religion. By making this all-encompassing entity "brahman" completely void of description or attributes, while using various deities as metaphoric and archetypical representations of various human and worldly attributes. Various local deities are represented as different avatars of these major deities, enabling assimilation across a wide spectrum of cultures and beliefs.
The most ironic thing is that organic cultural syncretism of the hindu dharmic society is one of the main reasons why hinduism(unlike every other major polytheistic religion) survived the abrahamic coercion through centuries despite its nearly endless religious/cultural differences and plurality.
Very well put.
What makes you so sure the spread of political ideologies through coercion and conquest is not an organic cultural process?
Good points.
To add on,
The Hindu dharma has survived also due to it's ability to adapt, evolve, and when necessary mutate as required.
Adi Shankara didn't use violence because his opponents weren't using violence. Whereas later defenders of dharma, like Shivaji, Rana Pratap, Lachit Borphukan, et al didn't hold back using violence.
"Ahimsa Paramodharma, dharma himsa ta taiva cha"
Violence employed for dharmik objective is valued as much as non-violence. So, if a private citizen kills a would-be mass murderer, then he is being non-violent.
There are umpteen such concepts that allows dharma to adapt, evolve and mutate.
Not having ONE book, or ONE this or ONE that, helps.
Paramatma or parabrahma is basically an energy without attributes. Nirguna, nirakara. This paramatma is neither good nor evil.
There is no one system of Hinduism.
There are six schools of Classical Hindu Philosophy:
1.Samkhya
2.Classical Yoga
3.Nyaya
4.Vaisesika
5.Mimamsa
6.Vedanta
-Samkhya and Classical Yoga do not have a God,they see two eternal realities (Purusha or pure consciousness; Prakriti or the witnessed,it includes both mind and body). Realising the separation properly is Liberation.
-Mimamsa is very interesting,it believes in rituals,rebirth,
heaven,hell,etc but not God (they are the most conservative here).
-Nyaya-Vaisesika are two connected schools that stress the importance of reason and argumentation,the former is monotheist while the latter seems to have started off as atheists and became monotheists later on. They arw both Pluralists (accepting many different types of things)
-Vedanta became the most important school in the medieval periods and have become the base of most of modern Hinduism.
There are many sub-schools of this school,but the model of Vishistadvaita seems to be the most commonly accepted one among Hindus. This model can be imagined as:
The world is a circle encompassed by the larger circle that is God,the world is part of God but not completely identical. This God however can be identified with different deities by different Hindus,the original Vishistadvaita school equates this absolute reality (Brahman) with Lord Vishnu.
Some of the other schools are there but have very few followers today.
(The philosophy pf Bhagavad Gita would be considered Vedanta.)
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😅 Jordan telling Hindus what their religion is.
Something like the lame leading the blind.
@@BobOort no something like a dog shouting at the elephant 😂
Hindus are thinking its just about gomatha,gomuthra and cow dung.But hinduism is a great philosophy.
@@danish5850 hindus respect cows + all living beings in this universe...Meanwhile western scientists are busy patenting drugs made out of cow urine and cow dung,,, but madarsachap flat earthers will never know.
@danish5850 I agree Hinduism is a great philosophy but some people are trying to spread fake narrative abt Hindus.
Hinduism is the cradle of religions and culture. That's new for Mr. Peterson.
The dates have been exaggerated and it is not the oldest.
Not at all. Humans have been here so long. Religious organizations and civilizations have come and gone. Jainism is not a part of hindus and they older.. buddhism started with buddha and distinguished itself from hindus of those days, The ppl of those days voluntarily joined Buddha and his enlightened n disciples. Later fanatic hindus went on a massacre.
Such massacres of group vs group have happened all over the globe. So many disappeared or shrunk
Parsis even say that - even if our religion dies, we are not going to include outside people in it. So diff ways of going about it.
You have this idea from whatever pundit or news channel or watsapp family grup. It is hear-say
@@junnatha Y;our com;ment is un;factual. He is r;ight a;nd you just l;ied by sa;ying Ja;inism is ol;der th;an Hin;dduism.
@@dustudent1637 comment is unfactual, so state the facts and where u got the source from
@@junnatha
Al;ready wri;tten by ex;posing y;our l;ie th;at Jainism is old;er th;an Hin;dduism.
And please d;on't talk about sou;rce wh;en y;our com;ment is devoid of any sou;rce to make unf;actual com;ment just to hide wh;at abra;hamics d;id to w;orld.
"Dr Peterson what would you like for lunch?"
"Well what do you even mean by
'lunch'? What is the definition and underlying metaphysical purpose? The consumption of nourishment can be viewed in both a pure Jungian sense as well as in an allegorical view of Solzhenitsyn's perspective on the orthodox interpretation of redemption of the human soul by physical means.
Your question inevitably reflects the modern disenfranchisement of men from meaning driven by the neomarxist academia and cannot possibly be answered without understanding the roots of Western civilisation in both Judea-Christian thought and Stoic philosophy as well as the pagan mysticism that culminated not only in the writings of Bonaventura da Bagnoregio, but transcended the evolution of ideas all the way up to Gurdjieff and arguably Solomon Goldsmith. If I were to offer a very simple, utterly reductionist answer to your question, just for the purpose of practical discussion without spending any thoughts on the implications on society, I would probably reply
"Medium rare steak with salt and a glass of water", but this answer is highly contextual and cannot be assumed to reflect any underlying truth."
"Sir, this is a Wendy's."
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😂😂😂 Very good! Bravo! 👏 I could hear his voice as I was reading it! 👍
@@DA-br9xd I remain baffled by the fact when he is asked “DO YOU BELIEVE X OR Y” he cannot answer yes or no and instead invokes half a dozens authors/philosophers and ancient biblical writings going back 4,000 years and still never answers the question🙄
He just likes to hear himself talk... Which would have been spared to the world if only he could hear the sound of his voice.
Nicely done 😊
West gave genocide, colonization, plague, Holocaust, mass starvation.
East, mainly India, gave compassion, wisdom, Yoga, Buddhism, number system, Sanskrit, Kama Sutra, joy and happiness.
Caste system also
@@co6245
Caste system is NOT part Hinduism.
@@razraza3183 🤥🤥lies
@@co6245
Pleased educate yourself about Hinduism.
Castes were actually different professional categories like soldiers, farmers, writers, politicians etc.
Do not confuse Abrahamic Religions with the West. Ancient Greece which gave birth to western civilization, gave philosophy, astronomy, theater, abstract mathematics, early physics and biology to the world. THAT was the West before Abrahamic Religions.
Both India and Greece were rich, deep cultures with polytheistic systems.
I’m Hindu and American and these guys have no idea what they are talking about. Misinformation should not be accepted. Don’t talk about something you don’t know anything about.
Ru a low caste dalit?
Jordan has lost it...throw some eastern religion out there and he.s done
Whats the relevance of western religions in eastern cultural thought?
Sam is being contrary for the sake of being contrary. In the west ppl often bring up attacking Christianity as the example of religious oppression in a western culture, because it's the one we know and are familiar with. It's the paradigm that dominates our history and is deeply entrenched in our culture, and Sam is bringing up Hindu like it's a significant enough contribution to western thought, to challenge familiar philosophical structures of the west.
I respect JP, but this is a fine example of "know your level" and "stay in your lane"
@@mazimadu
Yes, the man is great when talking about stats and research IN HIS FIELD.
As soon as he starts talking about geopolitics and religion , he's just another ignorant blowhard.
Do you actually care about eastern crap? do you live by that here in the west? are you woke? you think those are superior to western religion?
Now that's a classic way to trap someone, just talk about something else.
he was a typical hype job to begin with. Someone who posed as "I know it all"
People who gave zero clarity on Hinduism
Japan and Thailand show Monotheism is not necessary for peaceful respectful society
And South Korea, and China. These countries are mostly athiestic and non religious and they are far more cohesive, safer and uniform than countries all over the world that have a largely religious influence or a religious population.
Singapore is also a country where the population is very diverse in its religious beliefs and yet is one of the safest, most respectful, successful and most cohesive countries on the planet
you forgot india, the biggest non monotheistic society😂
@@whoami8247Hinduism is racism
@@zapkvrstop lying
@@zapkvr And zapkvr is genocide. See how dumb you sound?
Peterson spent more time rolling up his sleeves then making a relevant argument.
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He always does:
"Dr Peterson what would you like for lunch?"
"Well what do you even mean by
'lunch'? What is the definition and underlying metaphysical purpose? The consumption of nourishment can be viewed in both a pure Jungian sense as well as in an allegorical view of Solzhenitsyn's perspective on the orthodox interpretation of redemption of the human soul by physical means.
Your question inevitably reflects the modern disenfranchisement of men from meaning driven by the neomarxist academia and cannot possibly be answered without understanding the roots of Western civilisation in both Judea-Christian thought and Stoic philosophy as well as the pagan mysticism that culminated not only in the writings of Bonaventura da Bagnoregio, but transcended the evolution of ideas all the way up to Gurdjieff and arguably Solomon Goldsmith. If I were to offer a very simple, utterly reductionist answer to your question, just for the purpose of practical discussion without spending any thoughts on the implications on society, I would probably reply
"Medium rare steak with salt and a glass of water", but this answer is highly contextual and cannot be assumed to reflect any underlying truth."
"Sir, this is a Wendy's."
It is but yeah you are correct.
He is a joke, look at him so animated those hands are all over the set. He uses that as a method of psychologically enforce his point
i don't know, i thought it was an interesting hypothesis he put forward: a progressive refinement of values by amalgamation of polytheistic deities by way of abstraction to arrive at monotheism which then continues until the 'one true god' is finally abstracted away by the very process that created him
I am Indian , My Mom worships Ganesha as supreme
My Wife Shiva
My Father worships Universe/Soul as supreme (Advaita)
I am an Atheist and there are atleast a 1000 more combinations in the entire family tree .
We don't even discuss about it .
I love listening to Peterson when he's giving a talk or lecture on psychology.
Anything else and he's infuriating. I think he's constantly attempting to explain himself to himself
Do truly was a brilliant psychology professor but he kind of went off the rails when he ventured into theosophy
I feel the same.
Or he has no good points and he is masking it by waffling.
I agree. He’s absolutely brilliant when it comes to taking ďown woke DEI snowflakes, militant feminists, and discussing the psychodynamic inter-workings of the human mind. But when it comes to religion and theology he is way, way out of his lane.
Oh thank you so much.. usually i tend to defend Jordan.. Just because i think that is lectures on psychology is amazing! I just respect the guy.
I do wanna give him some credit..
But, when he became more famous and started talking about different matters like religion and even climate change (there is only 1 talk, in a school that i agree with him and it was a dark talk about our climate)
So.. i don't know what he is thinking, i would love to have a chat with him. Because he is smart, he is capable of understanding difficult concepts..
That's why.. i'm just so.. surprised by Jordan, I don't know what's going on..
If you don’t get what the idea was in this video, then maybe go back to watching his other lectures or interviews because if you don’t comprehend something, it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. You are just probably unfocused or simply willfully blind
First of all this guy Sam does not know Hinduism enough. I am a Hindu from India and let me tell you Hinduism in monotheistic and one true God is the Param Barmha, and all the other deities are a form of the ParamBramha. The trinity of Barmha, Vishnu and Shiva are the three sides of the ParamBramha executing its different functionalities. And the other gods ranging from Ganesha, Kali etc are depictions of different aspects one would like to worship, like Saraswati god of Knowledge and Arts, Laxmi god of Wealth, Ganesha god of Prosperity and Knowledge and he is known for good omen thus all Puja should start with a mention of him. So wrong info guys its more complex than people think.
Okeii. There are literally number of school of thoughts in Hinduism other than Advaita Vedanta.
Some believe in parabrahma, some believe in various puranic pantheon. Some believe in non vedic and non puranic folk deities. Some believe in ancestors. Some believe in nature. Some are strictly shruta (believe strictly in Vedas).
So Hinduism is just an umbrella term used to categorise people other than Buddhists and jains.
Hinduism is not monotheistic, fool.
I didn’t know Sam is so ignorant about Hindu religion!
There is no one system of Hinduism.
There are six schools of Classical Hindu Philosophy:
1.Samkhya
2.Classical Yoga
3.Nyaya
4.Vaisesika
5.Mimamsa
6.Vedanta
-Samkhya and Classical Yoga do not have a God,they see two eternal realities (Purusha or pure consciousness; Prakriti or the witnessed,it includes both mind and body). Realising the separation properly is Liberation.
-Mimamsa is very interesting,it believes in rituals,rebirth,
heaven,hell,etc but not God (they are the most conservative here).
-Nyaya-Vaisesika are two connected schools that stress the importance of reason and argumentation,the former is monotheist while the latter seems to have started off as atheists and became monotheists later on.
-Vedanta became the most important school in the medieval periods and have become the base of most of modern Hinduism.
There are many sub-schools of this school,but the model of Vishistadvaita seems to be the most commonly accepted one among Hindus. This model can be imagined as:
The world is a circle encompassed by the larger circle that is God,the world is part of God but not completely identical. This God however can be identified with different deities (Advaita Vedanta doesn't identify with any God,which they posit is not ultimately real) by different Hindus,the original Vishistadvaita school equates this absolute reality (Brahman) with Lord Vishnu.
Some of the other schools are there but have very few followers today.
@@subhashanvs3229Yeah,there is nothing unifying all the philosophies and religions of Hinduism. There is nothing in common between Samkhya and Tantra I guess.
Sam Harris knows nothing about Hinduism yet behaves as if he knows it all.😅😂
what do you know about hinduism? bro
Rocky my friend you actually live under a rock,
A British person taking shit is something no one cares, also your country is something no one will care about soon
Sam's work has " In Hinduism , the Universe is a modification of Brahma ".
How many modern mainstream Hindu religious leaders can extol that subtle highly accurate principle ?
It exists in the work of Adi Shankaracharya.
He definitely know more than "nothing". He knows almost everything about the existential aspect (Brahma).
Moral aspect since he hasn't commented on - let's leave that.
@@hobosapien7735 what happens after death?
Hinduism is not a "religion", it's a way of life
I know plenty of Christians who would say the same thing.
But are they able to back with evidence??
Study Hinduism, I am pretty sure you would find Christianity in it as a school of thought as well.
It's technically religion of religions.@@benu_bird
@@benu_birdAnd that is precisely the point of the religions. You see, there's is no atheist version of a compiled system where there is the complete set of beliefs, morals, practices, rites of passage, to guide the individual along the way. In the same way that we use latitude and longitude to navigate the Earth, nobody wastes their time in debating the reality of latitude or longitude. Lat and long are used because it works for those who need to navigate. There are multiple coordinate systems, but they each help one navigate. People use religion like a map, and for them, that map helps them navigate their lives. Religions certainly do not map the course of humans lives with extreme precision, but then again, neither does science, so for me, the whole criticism is totally besides the point - and Sam's point of "lack of imagination" is really a backhanded compliment as this debate has gone on for hundreds of years, yet somehow, hundreds of years is just "lack of imagination" according to Harris. It really means, folks like Harris only have criticisms, not answers NOR useable replacements of what they criticize. That's why some atheist parents send kids to Christian schools - they don't want the kids to be "lost".
@@quantummotionRidiculous, the human species developed secular humanistic mores of behavior over tens of thousands of years of evolution and survival that are more moral than any theological version and are the reason that civilization prospered. Atheism is not a belief system, it only states that there is no evidence for the existence of a supernatural god. The secular humanist rules for living existed long before the Abrahamic religions and will continue to guide the human species long after those belief systems are studied right beside the other mythologies.
Where it is written that "Hindu" is way of life. Why even people are creating another nonsense? You can't categories us in a foreign word and foreign ideals. Simply call it our history..
In all fairness they don't understand Indian culture. I don't blame them, it's very hard to truly understand other cultures.
nandan.. pls tell what is indian culture?
@@Rock.manithanbest way to understand any culture is by living it Visit india some time
@@reallynova1862 i wasn born in india in 1972 and my father was a hindu... and still living her..
bro, what do you believe happens after death?
There is no one system of Hinduism.
There are six schools of Classical Hindu Philosophy:
1.Samkhya
2.Classical Yoga
3.Nyaya
4.Vaisesika
5.Mimamsa
6.Vedanta
-Samkhya and Classical Yoga do not have a God,they see two eternal realities (Purusha or pure consciousness; Prakriti or the witnessed,it includes both mind and body). Realising the separation properly is Liberation.
-Mimamsa is very interesting,it believes in rituals,rebirth,heaven,hell,etc but not God (they are the most conservative here).
-Nyaya-Vaisesika are two connected schools that stress the importance of reason and argumentation,the former is monotheist while the latter seems to have started off as atheists and became monotheists later on. They are both Pluralists (accepting many types of "things").
-Vedanta became the most important school in the medieval periods and have become the base of most of modern Hinduism.
There are many sub-schools of this school,but the model of Vishistadvaita seems to be the most commonly accepted one among Hindus. This model can be imagined as:
The world is a circle encompassed by the larger circle that is God,the world is part of God but not completely identical. This God however can be identified with different deities by different Hindus,the original Vishistadvaita school equates this absolute reality (Brahman) with Lord Vishnu.
Some of the other schools are there but have very few followers today.
I would add ajiivika, caarvaaka, buddhism, jainism. And I would add in Bonpo and more recently Sikhi.
@@AnAn___ My comment was about (Orthodox) Hindu schools.
Btw,have you heard about Ajñana and Sashvatvada ?
@@PranabMallick. I consider all of these schools to be asktika and not naastika. (Maybe Caarvaaka = naastika, but only because they insist it is so. The only true pramaana is pratyaksha.)
@@AnAn___ The others don't include Vedas as pramana (source of knowledge) ,so shouldn't be considered Astika,because that's what the word means.
And how would Ajñana be Astika? They are Skeptics.
pranab what happen to you after you die?
Neither Sam nor Jordan have any clue about Hindus it seems!
The amount of ignorance these supposedly learned men have about eastern mysticism and Indian culture astonishes me. Sam Harris says there are probably 3 gods on top of the Hindu pyramid. Wrong! Jordan Peterson probably is more accurate this time when he says that there is a modicum of singularity at the top but ruins it mentioning some type of god which is comparable to western faith. The fact is that the Hindu Brahman (not to be confused by caste) is the all pervasive force which is the core of everything cosmic including a non linear time which is nothing like the god of Abrahamic faiths. BTW, Hinduism accommodates atheism as well as part of its discourse.
It's very frustrating as a Hindu to see these 'enlightened' immaculately dressed characters in an elegant setting in front of an audience broaching a culture they have no idea about. Having said this, I must also mention that I have great respect for some of the views of some of these gents, especially Douglas Murray and Harris.
Thank you! Yes 🙌
What does all that matter? Hinduism is as much a false belief as any other religion. There is no evidence indicating the existence of any god or gods. There IS evidence CONTRAINDICATING any god. And a god or gods are logically impossible. So it's all woo-woo. Watching two people argue about which religion is the "right one" is no different than watching two children arguing over whose imaginary friend is real.
Ikr😂, it's funny.
Atleast i wouldn't talk about Christianity with Hindus. I would atleast have a Christian to do purvapaksha and understand their pov.
@@Vintage-Bob
"Hinduism is as much a false belief as any other religion"
We aren't believers dear friend, we are seekers😊. People come here to seek.
Some of us think that everything is a maya(illusion) and we are living in simulations.
Who knows🤷🏽♂️
@@PradhanmantriBruhh That is as absurd a claim as any religious claim.
Hindu philosophy is by far the most spiritually evolved, most insightful, most profound and most sublime philosophy any religion has to offer.
yeah the thing is people keep coming to attack at hinduism without even know how the word originated, hindu originated from sindhu by greeks, the original name was "dharma" or "duty /proper behaviour" said by krishna in the Bhagvad gita, calling it a religion itself shows how little you know about it.
@@JodioJoestar-by8sn Calling a religion a religion is what sane people do. Hinduism is literally, unequivocally and unarguably a religion. Just because one 'believes' it is above or beyond that simple concept does not make it so.
I, as a Hindu, having read Puranas, Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita, Itihaasa, even for me it is mind blowing and feel as if I know nothing, however Westerner, White folks, love to preach with confidence as if they know Hinduism & have the answers.
Many years ago, before internet-social media days, arriving in the US, I was asked (in grammar school) which caste I belonged to and I had never heard of that India. Seeds of hatred towards Indians/Hindus, are planted early at churches, schools, and at home.
@@TsunamiBaba Ah, so... it has less to do with insight and understanding and belonging and spiritualism more about those with better educations and lighter skins not buying the brahamnshite? I see...
@@TsunamiBaba So it's less to do with insight and understanding and more about those with better education and lighter skin actually reading those things and not buying the brahmans**t?
Hinduism is not a religion. It's just a cultural continuity. If you don't understand this in the first place, the whole conversation becomes pointless.
I love how because Sam knows who he's talking to he feels the need to add "if the word... means anything" so it doesn't become entirely caught up in semantics.
Atheism is for teenagers.
@@jonah9861 There is no proof of God.
@@jonah9861After they become too old for the local priest ?
I'm not even sure where I mentioned atheism in my original comment. It was a comment on language alone..
@@jonah9861 and blatantly false religions are for children
@@bungle0261ouch. Thats a hot burn right there. 🤣
Wow, Jordan Peterson just has zero self-awareness. He seems be to listening, but then he stammeringly says "OK, so, let's go back to the superhero idea ..." He's just in his own head so much that he can't keep up with the flow of the discussion at all.
oh he's listening intently, don't worry about that Bucko! .. To his own voice, but he's listening
...I agree, he's really just an academic with an angle. I can't stand listening to him even though I might agree with much he says. His unresolved issues to do with Christianity often get in the way. Like most psychologists he's never taken a more full journey so is a part of the problem he is purporting to cure.
agree, totally out of his league with these two.
And, Sam Harris is speaking to Jordan. When word salad begins from Jordan he looks to his followers, and you could see his body language preach to the people.
The guy looks for any and every plausible excuse to not contribute to the discussion substantively. He relies upon the politeness of anyone he talks to to allow him to change the subject on a whim and not call him out on it.
judgmentcallpodcast covers this. Harris educates Peterson again!
Hindus means Sanatana Dharma means Hindus.
For a Hindu devotee (irrespective of Gender), never fears One's God, is happy with his God, sees God in an idol, in a picture, in everything, even in nothing, interacts with himself, studies life and God, rejects God or decides God, chooses his God, could be one or many, for the devotee sees the one God in all Gods, and all Gods in One God, his God, even rejects and then accepts God, thinks, studies and writes philosophy keeping his God as the prime factor, keeps interacting with himself and with his God, decides One's own Karma, most times under the Sanskars given by One's elders, the good Guru, does One's Karma which becomes the dharma, the Sanatana Dharma, based on which the present happenings occur, accepts the good and bad happenings taking place with Oneself based on One's Karma and the wishes of God, analyses One's Karma, improves the Karma, even blames all powerful omnipresent God, judges God, gets upset with God, even Angry with God, apologises to God, loves God, thanks God, bathes his God, dresses his God, even feeds God, immerses in his bhakti to God, chants the name and sings and praises the glory of God, understands one's limitations, understands and accepts God to be the all in all and all in everything, wanting to win the love of his God. The Devotee is happy in their world, lives in this World and the other world which a devotee traverses when interacting with God but at the same time moves on doing his Karma in the present world, his Dharma, in the world sent by God, to live in the sent time, that too is under the control of all powerful God and so can be altered by God, to whom the devotee feels will be returning in the end then will the fate of the devotee be decided for future births again based on the whole Karma that the devotee did in this life, to redeem his present, past and future life, then in the end unites with God. The Devotee moves on with his life doing his Karma, his Bhakti (interacting with God), is happy at times, sad at times, calm at times, contended or discontended at times, traverses the path of life and in the end feels he is now with going to be with God to decide his fate, to either become one with God or again take rebirth facing the cycle of new life as decided by God, doing his Karma, his dharma.
jelly what do you believe after you die?
@@Rock.manithan why Bella, are you going to embrace Hinduism.
Sanatan dharm is no ism. Saatan dharm is eternal. Never use ism search what this world they use for indic faiths
@@TheMan-je1iy i believe we all stand before God to be judged... and i have received the grace through Jesus Christ's death on the cross... what is your position bro?
@@Rock.manithan Absolutely fine.
The longer I have listened to peterson the more my brain hurts. Thankfully I can recover by not taking him seriously.
It ok, over time he has simplified his arguments. Now it’s simply ‘Everything traditional and conservative is good, if good means anything. Anything progressive and liberal is bad, if bad means anything’ original eh?
Why would you tell on yourself like that?
@@brentwhite9712 an anything progressive towards what? Sam Harris was superbly progressive on COVID /s
@@bogdanpopescu1401 Defeating our animalistic instincts of tribal othering, emotional decision making, the lack of collective benefit and an appreciation of divergent experiences, and most certainly the value of critical thinking and a rejection of disengaging from morality via divine deputization of an ancient ethno-religion and its later editions. All you need to know about the failure of religion can be easily illustrated in the institution of slavery over the past 5000 years!!
@@francoisbouvier7861 you don’t have enough brain power, don’t worry you will get there
As a Hindu. These guy are making Hindi a abrahmic religion
Jordan, the king of obfuscation and tautology.
Idk why he seems like a pseudo-intellectual.
@@jacqdanieles because he's always angry, he doesn't make sense.
He's deeprok chopra with larger vocabulary ffs !
He thinks he’s so smart but he’s a pea brain 🧠 🤏
Jordo: “hey do,you have an hour, I’d like to talk to you for a minute”
Why do people "expertly" assume they know all about Sanatan (Hindu) in couple of statements? They are not even willing to understand the 'way of life' where we are grateful for everything in nature and hence revere them. They just shout out aha! thousands of Gods! No. Its just that we revere every creation of God especially that which benefits the society and self. And since a common person is incapable of focus on the unseen creator of existence (The One) we choose a shape that best 'reminds' us of Him and allows us to live in a society positively without "killing" and "converting'. Also, Sanatan (Hindu) is a way of life where you are free to choose your own version of "God" and "prayers" while on your path to SEEK the truth. The 3 Gods he is talking about is our way to associate the ruler/doer of the perpetual cycles of Birth-Living life-Death. Which means manifestation from the unmanifested, life in physical form (as we know it now and here) with its trials and tribulations, then back into unmanifested 'substance'....All this under the One...Understand the difference between deity and God
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No mate, Hindus are not monotheistic. And we do not worship a creator god; neither do we worship a high god for the act of creation.
You are just juxtaposing your basic religious understanding which is monotheism to a Hindu setting, which is why this is so off-base.
Please reconsider.
Why do people “ expertly “ assume they know all - That’s Humanity my friend. Just look at your fingers are they all the same? The obvious answer is a “ No” and there lies your answer. Peace and Acceptance.
In Hinduism we worship different Hindu gods and every individual is free to worship whichever god he wants. We do not pressurize, cajole or persuade anyone to follow any set of rule or any religious book in Hinduism.
Peterson is seldom so irritating as when he is matching wits with Sam Harris. A very unequal boxing match.
He is literally always irritating.
Jordan obliterates Sam with humility and grace
@@jacksonelmore6227 LOL! What planet are you living on? What do they smoke there that addles the brain so extensively?
bat girl, bat girl, BAT GIRLLLLL - Jordan Peterson
😂
Most sensical that JP ever been
Drop that beat yalll
Had he said Bad Girl, his argument might have been more compelling.
😂
The World is slowly waking up to the Ancient Knowledge Text, & Scriptures of Sanatan Dharm / Hinduism... The Advance Knowledge in the Vedas, Upanishads, are amazing. Scientology, Mathematics, Cosmology, Technology and so much more.. Hence why main stream archaeologists are too scared to even talk about it. because Vedas, Upanishads, supersedes everything else...
Sanatan Dharm / Hinduism is not just a religion, its a way of life.
Philosophy
Hare Krishna, Jai Shree Ram, Har Har Mahadev.
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My god! Jordan Peterson!!! Comic book fans know that Cat Woman and Bat Girl are make believe. Religious people believe their fiction is real.
as if everything you believe is factual and proven
You believe that your own thoughts are real although they’re merely the byproduct of electricity and chemicals that vaguely map onto reality. Should you be strictly limited to the thoughts that you can demonstrate are concretely in reality?
Imagine thinking religion is fiction.lmfao
@@etaggedWhat an absurd non sequitur. How does thoughts being the byproduct of electrical impulses make them less real? lol. I think you tried to use some silly argument from an apologist and didn’t even manage to do it well.
@@LeoVital If a lamp crackled, would you derive linguistic meaning from it? If your brain crackles and neurological circuitry allows it to condense into thought, would you take that seriously? If you accept brain discharge as thought is real, although there is no demonstrable connection to reality, then do you accept that much of the world can appear as fiction, unproven and imaginative. Whether fiction is "real" is a complex question and your comment shows that you dismiss before you use your brain.
Peterson is terrible.
New borns who dies in early 60s will always thinks they are better than elders, who practiced, corrected and experienced real life.
Just one mention of the term 'Hindu' in the thumbnail and I guess this is the most viewed video of this channel.
yhea...there is a billion of us...LMAO
@@av1421 Yeah... still no credit is given to us.... Here in India you'll find Nav-baudhs and K2was claiming our lagacy... and in the west it's Chinese, Greeks, Arabs... All the great knowledge appropreated by others with zero credits to us... the Monotheism got it's roots in Bhagwadgita that dates back to ages ago.. even before Abrahim..
@@artistrahhul
Y;es it's a f;act th;at most inven;tions a;nd disco;veries have r;oots in In;dia. Many we;stern philo;sophers th;emselves say this.
It was deliberate to get all the triggered Indians to jump on
Jesus, Peterson is off his rocker. This man says nothing valuable. I think he's truly flipped. This is getting scary with how out of touch with any degree of practical living. The man is in trouble.
Unfortunately, he's a reflection of his fans.
Power through vast publicity can do that within one day
Peterson is a dilettante and a bullshit artist. I think it comes from his sophomoric attitude of, I learned a lot about psychology, so I should be able to infer valid conclusions about anything humans have done without seriously studying.
It’s just built on narcissism, and this is why people have come to be anti-intellectual: Arrogant, (over?)educated people thinking they know more about the world than people outside the ivory tower without a PhD. I will say that I’ve been through grad school, have gone to many conferences and given papers at them, and some people with PhDs are some of the dumbest people when it comes to real-world knowledge and wisdom, so when they’re faced with a real world scenario, not a hypothetical, they can’t help but feel like they know what’s up and try to apply their theoretical framework where it doesn’t make sense in reality.
Peterson (and his ilk) are very similar to the far left academics, in that they love the mental masturbation of theory and think they can shoehorn it into everyday life. There’s a place for academic discourse, and it should be left to the academy and academic journals, so stay in your lane.
It's no surprise he became Christian. That nonsense religion suits him perfectly
You r rt. He is too voluble not valuable
What we call Hinduism as religion today is actually mostly Brahminism in practice as it was for thousand of years , it is only recently started being named as religion like Christianity and islam after contact with Muslims/Persians when they named the followers of culture of Indian subcontinent as Hindus. In Brahmin/Hindu texts the word Hindu or Hinduism is nowhere mentioned.
-An Indian.
You can call it Dharmic Tradition or Sanatana Dharma.
@ssdaqwe2578 I see that you are worried that by equating Hindu/dharmic tradition to Abrahamic religions, the latter could have more competition. Moreover, you are also wrongly assuming that by pointing to "Brahminism" or "caste discrimination" or lusty stories in Hindu puranas or immoral behavior by birth based Hindus, you think that Hindu dharmic tradition can be invalidated. Sorry to burst your bubble.
In Hindu/Dharmic tradition, there is no concept of god or heaven or hell. So, it can't be equated with Abrahamic religions. Moreover, HINDU/Dharmic tradition also cannot be invalidated by history or any social issue or book because it is based on Vedic metaphysics which can be validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience. But nice try.
@@Dharmicaction I was talking none of the things you mentioned, don't put words in my mouth.
do the concept of religion exist in those books. you trying to paint it as brahminism when it's mentioned nowhere say's a lot about your agenda. btw you know that yahweh/allah is a pagan god right?
Looks like Sam got Jordan Peterson hot under the collar 🤣
Atheism is for teenagers.
@@jonah9861 Is that the extent of your debate?
@@yt.personal.identification it's just a fact I guess 🤷🏼♂️ anyone who was raised without the influence of religion around them remains eternally between the ages of 13 and 19... A true fountain of youth at last !
@@yt.personal.identificationAre you really going to debate jonah. He was there. Jonah one question the big fish did it survive the flood?
@@bungle0261 I was raised in religion and even at a young age I knew it was bullshit.
Petersen just overthinks and over speaks and really says nothing much. As a narciscists he loves the sound of his own voice. Yours humbly and G'day from Australia 🇦🇺 ha ha 😂
Ain’t that the truth!
He's a wanker. G'day
They need to study about Ancient Indian philosophies, theologies, scriptures first.
Aliens - "lol, don't overthink it guys. You're just a failed experiment we did a while back now!"
lol Yes. Although these discussions will be had,I think those who listen to them should consider Democritus' take - "Verily,we can know nothing,the truth is buried deep."
Since school I had the image in my head of extremely intelligent and advanced aliens essentially playing sims with humans on earth and entertaining themselves by observing humans trying to figure out what our purpose is and seeing us struggle with our relatively tiny IQ
chester why should we not malest a small gurl playing alone...? according to your wordview?
JP is a joke.
Yes, but so is Sam Harris. 2 jokers.
He actually mentioned Hinduism well in a sense. All gods and goddess are said to be part of the same. Sam was wrong, the trinity is only a part of it. The actual ultimate state in Hinduism is known as "Para Brahman". Means everything and beyond everything. People interpret this phenomenon in different ways. & Hinduism acknowledges different individuals to experience this ultimate phenomenon through different ways. That's the difference between Hinduism and Abrahmic religions.
@@vampirethespiderbatgod9740 To know God is easy, all you need to do is love. All the rest is just expensive window dressing.
In Hinduism not only many gods are there, like Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva
Each god has different avtars of there own.
Hinduism is a religion that has time spanning to 155 trillion years. Hindu scriptures have explicitly mentioned how people in Kaliyuga (the present evil cycle) would act and behave, and every day, these prophecies are becoming true, and abrahamic religions having existence of only 2000-3000yrs is not going to change nothing this evil time they will spread and again as times passes they will cease
I was raised without religion. I wasn’t taught to be an atheist it’s just that religion wasn’t something that my parents talked about or passed on to me or my siblings. I wasn’t told that there was a super being in the sky judging me or that if I did something wrong or didn’t love an unseen super being that I would be tortured for eternity. I am extremely thankful for that. I have given that gift to my children as well.
excellant!! You are SMART!
When you say, "if I did something wrong", implies that there is an inherent "right or wrong". Who gets to decide? I'd like to posit, most religions. Also that, your upbringing allows you to make that decision for yourself. Bravo.
Just teach them good and do good , it will be alright
Jordan peterson is talking uncontaminated TRASH.😅
The concept of God or 'Bhagwaan' in Hinduism is that there is Only One 'Nirakar Brahm'
Jordan Peterson often seems to think purely creatively. As in, he just comes up with explanations for phenomenon that he likes, links it to myth, then asserts it. No retrospection required.
He’s a loony
He’s a prophet. The urantia papers would help these discussion further forward scientifically as a tension resolving fetishized religions through faith testing
@@oliveradams8600not really. At least at the start of the week
Understanding hinduism is personal .... but one common thing is you won't hate or put down other faiths ....
Sam handled the 2v1 masterfully
2v1.. and they were still outmanned..
too bad he couldn't handle Covid, Trump and his own failures
Sam looks like a goat. Little man
The only little thing here is your stamina to take it good
Peterson needs his arms to explain his circular thinking
I get that too
He had to fold his shirt slowly and deliberately to show how muscular his arms are. His brain needed to see that to feel powerful before his verbal diarrhea on something nobody paid attention to.
He thinks he's hypnotizing the audience, but that only works with his simpleton fanboys.
@@kelliott7864 He has a massive ego that he has built over many decades of teaching, arguing and participating in intense debates. To make things worse for him, his followers (women haters) worship him and he likes all that adoration. Now he is so preconditioned (strong neural pathways) that even if he wants to control himself, he won't be able to. His strong preconditioning lets him down very badly when he gets into the religious arena. He looks downright stupid when he argues in favor of his religion. To me he sounds mentally unstable.
The truth is circular. Sam Harris doesn't understand that.
We do not attach any importance to deities unless we appreciate the values they stand for and Hinduism simply allows for a very wide gamut of values.
One does not argue with the other when both are seekers - we assimilate
'We do not attach any importance to deities" It depends on the definition of "importance" (which can be different depending on the context). Stone deities in Hindu temples are objects of attraction for focus and meditation (for reaching momentary samadhi state which is nothing but disappearance of observed/observer duality) in the presence of Sanskrit mantra vibrations. Stone deities are also symbolic representation of well validated vedic metaphysics, nature and laws of nature.
@@Dharmicaction Those are the values we attach. Thank you.
When he says "they (super heros) act out...the hero archetype, that's the technical reason" we see the extent to which Peterson holds Jungianism as a reified ideology and not just an interpretative framework. That explains Peterson's essentialist view of gender, which Jung also held. Peterson needs to take the next step and apply the anti-ideology stance he wields against Marxism and Wokeism to his own ideology. Take the beam out of his own eye as Jesus put it.
Look I don’t like Jordan… but what the fuck did you just say?😂
@@geminigizmo6427 What part do you want me to explain?
can you connect the dots for me as how the Jungian concept of archetypes inspires his essentialist view of gender? Also how do you make a proper distinction between how certain concepts are treated as ideological truths vs simply the interpretive framework? Any example (pertaining to that distinction) will be much appreciated. Thanks!
@@ujjwalrayamajhi1014 Ha! I admit, a more serious response than I was expecting! What I mean by reified ideology is taking things like "hero archetype" "collective unconscious" etc as actually existing things that exist for everybody whether they're aware of them or not. Same way Marxists use "proletariat" "class struggle" etc. Then people who explain psychology or political economy in different terms are simply wrong. Jung (IMO) takes the masculine and the feminine that way, as actually existing cosmic principles, and Peterson follows Jung in this. OTOH if one uses "hero archetype", "class struggle" and "feminine principle" as useful interpretive categories, others remain free to use different terms without being simply wrong. Quite different from a person who interprets chemical experiments with some personal periodic table. Such an interpretation would be simply wrong. Carbon and hydrogen are not interpretive categories, they do actually exist for everyone.
He needs to take the logical next step and give his life to Jesus, the actual Creator God. All this evolution of hero stories into one truth bearing, but story god, makes zero sense in any direction.
Peterson is not as important as he feels. He does not really say anything
Professors are usually like this...arrogant!
Teens judging the PhD curriculum and trying to normalise!😂😂😂
The Council Of Nicaea created Christianity with the aim of mass psychological warfare that turns people into sheeple, to "Divide & Conquer/Rule" and to make it easy to commit slavery, Genocide and Ethnocide, Indentureship (Slavery 2.0), to invade converted lands to loot and plunder, to make converted lands into vassal states, etc.
Example: Each Greek citizen was a warrior. A warrior could kill soldiers from sunrise till sunset, so a warrior could be equated to a lion while soldiers could be equated to wolves. An army of wolves cannot defeat a smaller army comprised of lions so it was imperative for the wolves to change the lions into sheep to conquer them. For this reason Christianity was created to give to the intended victims of invasions/attacks to make them more accepting of the invasions and attackers as they both shared something in common which is Christianity.
Christianity taught the lions the following:
* Love your (Christian) enemies as you love yourself.
* Slaves, obey your earthly (Christian) Masters as you obey the lord thy God.
* Forgive your (Christian) Oppressors/Invaders.
* Pay your tithes (taxes) to your Christian Oppressors/Invaders.
* Give unto Caesar (Christian Oppressors/Invaders) what belongs to Caesar, which is tires/taxes/resources from invaded lands gathered with the labour of the invaded peoples.
* Do not fight for a place in the earthly kingdom as you will get a heavenly kingdom, meaning you are born to be under the feet, whip and oppression of Christian Invaders.
* It is not your place to deliver yourself but you should wait for a Christian Messiah/Saviour who will never come to free you.
* If a Christian Invader slaps you on one cheek then give him the other cheek to slap.
* If a Christian Invader takes away your coat then you should give him your tunic as well.
* ETC.
Krishna Neeti (The Teachings Of Krishna) and other aspects of Hinduism was spread to Rome by Roman Traders after visiting India and then amended and adulterated by the Council Of Nicaea to such a great extent to create a new religion called Christianity.
Singh what do you think happens after death?
Can't stop laughing , Indian Hindu professional woman here . People stick to your forte, like advocating for patriarchy and legitimising misogyny
Hinduism is actually monotheistic, the west doesn't really get it
Why? Because Shiva, & Krishna, & Vishnu, & Kali are all part of a singular whole, and not separate gods/entities unto themselves?
@@theunknownatheist3815 yes it acknowledges a single Supreme formless reality while encouraging worship on a personal level to any forms, each of which symbolize aspects of the Supreme. There's no conflict between this in the Hindu world view.
Actually you're sold to the idea that in order to look good in society you have to call monotheistic. Hindu thought is older than monotheism. The creation of universe has never been the focus of Hinduism. There's like one myth about it. People probably never took it seriously when it first came up. Hinduism deals with experience of humans. The claim of Hinduism is that there's a higher reality called Brahman which can be experienced in this lifetime. All text written by Hindus is written by humans and nothing is divinely inspired by one true god. It's all human scripture. Doesn't mean it's bullshit. It's a start pad to launch yourself into spirituality. Lot of scripture is nonsense. You need lot of discernment and mental exercises to improve your experience of life. That's what a true Hindu does.
Don't call it monotheistic. Don't try to fit it in abhramic world. It's a distinct thing itself.
@@nordkm5464 The way I'd interpret this is that we Hindus gave God human forms so we could understand them in a simple way. Ultimately God is, and is in, everything. Or nothing. I'm not sure what to really make of that system, but it helps me stay grounded.
It does not fit into any mold.
It can be whatever each believer wants it to be.
3:40 The thing about the modern superheroes matching ancient archetypes is that this is the deliberate and conscious intention of the people at Marvel and in related companies producing this form of _entertainment._ It's rather like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Yes, our modern superheroes match the old superheroes, because the people _making them up_ intend exactly that.
There is nothing profound here. This is not some deep and meaningful insight into the core of human nature. This is just drama, stories that excite because we were born and raised in cultures that taught us to be excited about this stuff.
Growing up is about learning that you need to get up in the morning, go to work, do your best, pay your bills on time and put some money in savings at the end of the month. It's about learning to protect your own emotional health while nurturing the health of those around you. It's not about becoming a hero, striving to embody some Jungian archetype. That just leads to dissatisfaction, feelings of inadequacy, unrealistic desires.
You can find more joy in life, more joy in being alive, just eating a slice of fresh baked bread with an excellent cheese, alongside just the right wine ... or enjoying a really good beer on a hot summer day ... or nuzzling your lover and inhaling his or her scent ... then you will ever find striving to live up to a fantasy.
Fulfillment is here, and now, whenever you are ready for it.
Wonderful post, thankyou. I had a Chinese banquet last night with my wife and children. If I had to thank every person in history for making that possible I'd need to live another life to have the time.
To quote a fictional person, "We really did have it all didn't we". Dr Randall Mindy, Don't Look Up.
So true! As the polytheistic Hindu would say- your heaven and hell are here. It's up to you to decide how you want to live and what you want to attain.
I agree that happiness/fulfilment is not a distant thing that needs to be "attained". But there are higher states of mind that can be experienced which are not immediately available. We need a practice that enables us to achieve that. We need to fight out lower nature and hence "the hero's journey".
Yeah, sure, but you are intentionally or unintentionally lowering the standards of what humans are capable of. You are also accepting the premise that actually people are not really different at all, that they are homogenous and are sort of distributed across a single line representing some aspect of what it is to be a human. You wake up in the morning because some other human more powerful than you engineered your life according to his benefit, his vision. You dont see him because he is too powerful in his own right, almost like a God - a fantasy, right ? So it can't be real, right ? The pathetic truth is that you wake up in the morning, smell your lover, and save the extra every month because that is all you have been allowed to do. And that is all you have been allowed to grow into liking. You think you aren't romanticizing, but you are.
@@delq💯💯🔥🔥👌
Zero knowledge about Hinduism...
Acting all high and mighty...😂😂
I pity the western "experts" when they try to comprehend about the ideas Hinduism and failing miserably 😂
listening to jordan peterson is such a waste of time.
I wouldn't go that far. Anything related to religion he's talking out of his ass, but everything else he's pretty spot on
hes right about iq
As an agnostic Hindu, I can assure you the debate is still out as to which is the most superior of Gods, and will continue for a pretty long time! There are religions and Dharma. In religions such as Christianity, Islam, Judaism and Communism, the truth is given. In Dharma, whether Hindu, Jain, or Buddhist, the debate is still on.
prashanth why we should not grape and cill a small girl lost in the forest?
most cringe worthy human beings meet together under one roof
C'mon Murray, the question "What are we doing here?" Is at least 2500 years old. Ever heard of Occidental and Oriental philosophy before? Socrates, Plato, Buddha etc.
What a quack!
Todd Snider observed that a perfectly good answer to the question,”why are we here” is: I don’t know.
That question is as relevant today as it was beyond recorded history.
I didn't question the relevance of the age old question. I questioned Murrays statement.
Timestamp: 2:37 "What are you doing here, what are we doing here?"..."To be the FIRST people in HUMAN HISTORY to have absoloutly no explanation for what we are doing at all".
Anybody who have read a few pages of historical philosophy knows that this question is one of the biggest and oldest questions in all of mankind, that's why I have to call him a quack.
@@Somebody-Somewhere- Surely his point was that previous civilizations have made up answers, usually involving their religion, whereas today we don't even bother to ask the question because we know there's no 'reason' that we're here other than an accident of nature i.e. evolution by means of natural selection.
@@vatsmith8759 Surely that is not true. Christians(Over 2 billion) Muslims(1,6 billion) don't subscribe to the no "No reason" and "Accident of nature" idea. And to say that we don't even bother to ask that question anymore, is just not so. Do you live under a rock or something? Billions ask that question everyday!
5:20 basically he's never given a second of his time to actually read the hindu philosophy
The guy in black suit knows absolutely nothing or cared to read about hinduism but speaks so much
Hi duism is the most peace ful religion and talks about intelligance with wisdom with socisl resposibility
I can bet no orher religion in this world even thinks zbout it
Hindu pholosophy us many centurires,ahead of its time
As abrahamic ohilosophies are shallow thay think in such shallow ness about others
Hinduism s basic core is that a that human being snd its soul is a,part od universal consciousness
Every concious being has a universal conciousness within it
Douglas murray says nothing again
he's the most overrated public intellectual in the Western world. Just a pompous ass.
nothing of value was lost
Yeah he didn't need to, Jordan did a nice job of arguing for him
Have no idea why he is included in any discussion, he brings nothing of value to any conversation he is in
Because he is a fraud
I like that last bit about how religion could very easily be a complete fabrication with no truth in it at all, but over the centuries because people have values it so much, it now holds value, but not because it actually has any value itself, but because of the value attached to it.
Sure.. but then you’re left with the question of which values becomes embedded and why. What constitutes and enduring value? What is the origin of a value and what is its function? Is it cultural or ecological? What fundamentally is the difference?
He implies at 4:51 that all 1.4 billion people are Hindus. India is a secular country and has a large population of Muslims, too. Of course, there are Christians and even Jews.
That's the point
It's a religiously saturated nation
Peterson was arguing that one god eventually supasses the other one in the eyes of the people
@@GibbDibb Peterson's assessment comes from a lack of knowledge about Hinduism. Hinduism doesn't reject other religions or their beliefs. It believes that multiple paths can lead one to God.
@@GibbDibbit's not possible in a culture that has already reached that conclusion. And their conclusion is beyond any thinkable concept of a "God" that's why they give much more importance to experience and divine revelation. That's why they're so mystical.
Peterson is a clinical psychologist. Peterson needs the services of a clinical psychologist. Douglas Murray and Peterson should marry.
JP keeps mixing grandiose sounding words to no end. All he has is word salad and magical thinking 😅😅😅
It is fascinating that Jordan is talking about a religion he doesn't know & understand.
Peterson is clueless about the whole concept of superheroes. They are a unique notion in human history in that they are a secular humanist construct. They are not gods (Thor aside, and even he has been reduced in the movies to being a powerful alien) nor do they do good to please any god or gods. They do good, as the old song says, for goodness' sake.
Many cultures have superheroes in their myths.
The issue, is that the West got rid of them with Christianity, and replaced them with saints, which are not the same in doing those things. Heck, Polynesian myth has them that are closer to what both Superman and Batman both do.
Many of them are also actually historical figures, that were transitioned into mythical figures.
Which is why superheroes are not as popular there, except for the supervillains. Those characters are REALLY popular, especially Gorilla Grodd in NZ, entirely because Polynesian mythology does not have them, and when they do show up, they are best described as never to be interacted with, unless the gods say they have to.
@@shauntempley9757 From my readings of folklore and mythology, "super heroes" in past cultures usually had some motivation like the quest for fame or power. or were in the service of some liege lord or tribal identity. None of that generally applies to the modern version, who protect the innocent and fight evil because, as the famous saying goes, with great power comes great responsibility.
@@c.a.t.732 Yes, except there are many of those figures in Polynesian myth that do protect the innocent and fight evil.
These figures are not mythological figures, these are historical ones, and in NZ, us Maori make them every time a tangi happens.
We tell stories of the person that has died. The good, bad and ugly things they did, or thought, and our reactions to them.
Once the grieving is over the most important of those things remain to be remembered, and it can be the bad, or the good.
AND...... their fans don't confuse them for reality!!!
@@shauntempley9757 With all due respect, I don't see how historical heroes of a culture (like some war hero who bravely fought the enemy in battle, as commonly revered in many lands) are the same as fictional superheroes, who risk their lives on a regular basis and have no particular tribal or cultural link.
*I saw no one being educated. I just saw an intelligent conversation.*
The fact that they think there’s 1.4 billion hindus in India is the sum of the knowledge
Jordan Peterson should stay in his lane - and that lane most definitely is NOT religion and theology.
He is a total clwn who does word circus and people just think saying something in a sophisticated way makes it intellectual. He is total bs.
neither is Sam's
@@bogdanpopescu1401 …It is Sam’s lane, or expertise. You may not like what Sam says, but whether you like something or not has no bearing on its truth.
@@JeddieT yeah, Sam's cartoonish takes on religion; easily tops out the imbecility of his takes on Trump or Covid
@@bogdanpopescu1401 Sam’s TDS is a great example of him being out of his lane.
A 50 year old man is rambling about comic books.
What the heck happened to the West…
Talking about comics at any age is not the problem though.
No he just used example to define deity or a material form of God or incarnation ( and i personally liked the example) even if you think comic or superhero are childish , the more emphasis was on the understanding from example but you focused on example rather his point
One thing either say sanatan of hindu dhram because Hinduism's full form is hindu it sure a mith , west used our own sanskrit ward mithya (fantasy) to down play our own culture.
JAI SANATAN 🚩🔥🚩🔥🚩🔥🚩
Colonization.... brain of western ideology....😵💫🙏
Materialization.... heart of western ideology....😡🙏
What is western culture.... explain me.....???😡🙏
2:04 haven’t heard a single sensible thing. CLICKBAIT
Bro used hinuism as a counterargument witghout having any knowledge of hinduism .....bro is just embarrassing himself
1:50 relying on religion to build moral structure is a systemic failure of our education system which should be teaching ethics and logical reasoning for highschool aged teens. Secular philosophy classes would be far better equipped to helping guide people towards more sound moral thinking and society needs to recognize we can build better ethics without religion. We can and we do.
The issue is you have to convince everyone that that is the right thing to do. And then you end up in a circular issue.
Hinduism got this right. Artha shastra by chanakya is a book about how to administer a country but its not religious. It is just one example.
Jordan says so VERY VERY little, the minute he starts his gish gallop about dieties,,,,,gods are useless,,,,move on jordan
Jordan Peterson was so dumb here
Jordan waffling...