Guess that's why they call it Tulsa Tough.
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Wow, Deven's less than 24-hour turnaround, including the hunt for a derailleur hanger, shoes, and wheels - plus setup in time for the next day's Arts District _and_ full blown redemption to the podium is an awesome story in itself. That was, indeed, fire in the heart.
Every video of this event is a first person POV of a meat grinder.
100% facts… 😬
My brother raced this as a cat 4 this year. He retired after the race.
@@ipodgolfer13 whoa
@@ipodgolfer13 did he crash?
@@cameronALR6 he did.
Sorry for your crash Devin and congrats on the result. Watching, I'm struck by how cool it is to have the cameras, and that you and Jeff take the time to break down the anatomy of a crash. At the end of the day, this one looked like an instance of "crit things happen in big crits," but seeing it broken down from multiple angles might provide some learning, and it's fascinating in and of itself. When I was racing crits cameras were just starting to become ubiquitous. Usually when I crashed I never really had much idea what the heck had happened!
Devin is an awesome guy and we were stoked for him to bounce back on day 2. Tulsa was a party the whole weekend!
Elbows out man and you may get yelled at if you do it too much or too far out. But that rider/move coming on your left gets pushed out if your elbows are flared, look at 11 minutes where you have freeze frame with highlighted bubble. Also, you are the only rider that so can see on the tops, less stable/iffy grip than drops and with two laps to go in my drops, elbows ready as precaution. Awesome recovery next day so bravo indeed.
Damn, that looked like it could have been the perfect race. Glad he took it well, or at least sounds like he did.
You can see the guy that crashed in the back of Devin has already crashed once in the race before. He has blood dripping down his leg as he hits the ground.
same side too 😬 explains the agonizing screams
Gosh that looks terrifying. I'd love to try a crit but i can't afford to crash
Insurance?
@@tigermann8781 i can financially afford to get hurt. It would just be a big issue for my job
@@asmodean8987 Most crits aren't like this.
20 usd a month insurance covers u upto almost 10k
@@high1458 break a bone and need surgery with plates in and it's gonna be a lot more than 10k. Also: what if they bring you to an "out of system" hospital and you're not well enough to notice it...
I was watching this race live when this happened… I’m glad Devin is/was ok… those type of crashes are always unnerving… congrats on the results… 🍻
That is what I like in American Cycling. Crazy speed cycling, just do what you like. Never heard or seen these kind of races in Europe. And I cycle allready a long time. Greetings from the Netherlands🇪🇺🇳🇱👍🚴♀️
Second best thing about this video (after Deven being on the box in race 2) is that the dude who swoops across the front of that race and throws a shoulder into into the eventual winner ends up going down in the melee that he helped to create. Karma exists...
Cycling: when you’re not hurt until you’re hospitalized 😂
10:02 ZAMN bro is cheeked up fr fr
Podium-ing (is that a word?) is a hellla way to bounce back. Good for Devin.
"Strength is not how many times you have fallen but how well you can rise again after being defeated" Awesome work..#TrueStory 🙌🙌
Hi Norcal, just curious what happen to the Rider on Devin left, did he got a warning for that move ?
I don’t believe he did. Ultimately it wasn’t an egregious move and I didn’t realize he even made contact until watching it back the next day. I think he was caught off guard by the front of the group shifting left, which should be expected.
@devenvangreuningen3275 You should have whooped his ass
@@devenvangreuningen3275 Oh i see. thankfully you were not severally injured and sick come back on the 2nd day mate
Glad you were able to come out of that crash to get a great result at the next one! Sometimes it's just a millisecond away from disaster and there's nothing you can do. From what I see in the cam view, you were just about to filter behind the guy to your right to take that turn perfectly, but the guy to your left wasn't backing down when he should have done the same and prepared for the turn. It wasn't an aggressive bump, but he crowded the space unnecessarily and most likely would have been shut down in that turn anyway.
13:58 love that redemption.
Man I want to crit so bad but I have 1 bike and just can't afford even a $500 fix. That and my lower spine is fused together and if I crash it could be real bad. It's a miracle I'm cycling at all. So I guess I'm a gran fondo guy for life lol. Crits just look so exciting and enthralling. Must be an incredible adrenaline rush. I'd probably celebrate winning a cat 5 like I'd won a grand tour
Race at a lower level and hang in the back, youll be fine.
Race on Zwift. This isn't worth being in a wheel chair for life with your already fused spine. Seriously DON'T!
Man, I want to race so bad but I just absolutely CANNOT afford it especially with a crash destroying your bike like that. I’m just priced out…
As I’ve learned from a shattered wrist 6 weeks ago due to a crash. Surgery and medical costs far exceed that of most broken pieces of gear. Glad you ended up concussion and broken free!
Shattered my wrist last year (comminuted distal radius fracture and dislocated ulna), got my titanium plate and surgery for free . Fuck I love universal healthcare.
@@alexm9479 amazing! How did you heal up? Mine was commented as well and had to have a dorsal spanning plate in addition to the standard volar plate. 2nd surgery scheduled for spanning plate removal end of next month.
I never travel with my bike without a derailleur hanger
That Crit Racing is very much a US thing i would hardly disagree with you, In German and Netherlands you can find Crits all over the place and as seen in the Pro 1 a German Team comes up and plays a major role in each race
'No broken bones' me - I wish I broke bones, just ruined all my shoulder tendons in a mtb crash grade 5 ac separation. Lol.
The rider on the left (to the right as we look from the front) is, I think, caught out by the riders in front moving from their right to left. You can see from Devin's footage that Devin moves from being on the right side of the white line, to the left side of the line, just before the crash. At 10:58 you can see that the angle of Devin's bike and that of the guy that bumps shoulders with him are converging and that the guy is trying to swerve away. From this I don't think the shoulder bump was intentional. He may have been guilty of loosing concentration for a second only to find those in from of him moving over to the left while he was still travelling a straight line. Thoughts? Well done, Devin, for coming back the next day and taking 3rd.
Same exact thoughts here I don’t think it was the guy on the left fault he was going on a straight line while he crossed the white lines.
It’s wasn’t his fault to say. But had he been expecting the group to move left. Like we had been the entire race, the crash probably would not have happened.
@@DennisGonzalez101 I would disagree, the pack is drifting left, the guy on the left should have seen it as the racing line is what people follow. He should have just drifted left rather than leaning in but I don't think it was intentional, it is a second to make that call.
@@devenvangreuningen3275 I don't think you actually read what I wrote, and your typo suggests a hasty response. I did not say that it was not his fault. I merely suggested the shoulder bump was not intentional. I do actually say that he probably lost concentration, because, as you state, it should have been obvious that the group was about to move left.
9:13
What the hell ?!? The dude screamed out loud !!!
😮😵😵😵😵😵😵😱
Man, losing a entire wheel, shoes and kit due to a crash like that sucks.
Wish TTs were more common so that people can participate without that increased risk of crash while still remaining competitive. Checking the calendar for my local org and only two TTs are on it, I would pay the org fee and do some races with them if there was more TTs than that.
Thank you for using the video/camera to properly assess the situation rather than using it to act as another hey crash in this crit video.
Best crit racers would never win a TT race. These are 2 completely different disciplines
I feel like MTB XC racing is safer. Even when you do crash, its normally on dirt and hurts WAY less. Just in generally I think I see way less crashes in XC.
TT's are not racing. People want to race, not ride solo.
That rider as the end of the video watching by the fence with the specialized bike is Max Alvarez out of the DFW area. That kid is sneaky fast. He has great talent.
Hell yeah, redemption at its finest 💪🏼
The main reason this crash is half wheeling.
Excellent commentary!
You made out pretty good. My crash last Oct I needed stitches and had multiple bruises, etc.
Nice work! I won that race last year and now race for Butcherbox p/b LOOK. Keep it up!
7:45 >foreshadowing... yeah the thumbnail exists we know what happens.
No way to lean out of the overlapped wheel on the right with the guy on the left pushing you that way. He’s lucky he was up to your shoulder as the same thing was going to happen to him otherwise.
Such a bummer! Really glad you are ok for the most part. 👍 Quick question.. Were your hands - right hand on the center of the bars as the crash occurred? or your right hand on the center of the handlebar near the steam? It looks weird at 10:58 in the clip and in that portion of the video it looks as if your right hand was not on the brake hoods? Hard to see what was going on there.
MORE VIDEOS WITH DEVEN, BY DEMAND!! 🙌🏼
9:27 ugh my heart is racing
If that guy bumped into me and made me crash he'd be leaving in an ambulance.
@StachePower cameo at 4:06
That was brutal. Great he’s okay 👍🏼
Brutal, this is why I only race / group ride on Zwift. I ride by myself outside.
Bo-riiiing! though on the other hand, wanna see some X-rays?
@@wateim3951 lol dem titanium plated x-rays def slap at cycling parties 💅
That's because you're scared lol
Ouch! The sound of the bike scraping along the pavement is horrible! Been there done that. Heal fast!
I used to race bicycles. Didn’t love it aside from TTs. You basically get out there with the most expensive and delicate cycling shit (which is already overpriced and too delicate) you have and hope you don’t crash all while doing a group ride where everyone is yelling and behaving like a jackoff and your reward if you win is like a free set of Continental GP4000s in 23mm width the shop sponsors couldn’t unload in the last 14 years.
Always protect your front wheel
drops > hoods every time rider there is contact... what say you Jeff?
Alot of sodium in lmnt different than other brands I will have to try it out.
Great redemption! 🔨 down
Random question Jeff, does the rest of mikes bikes team take it as a conflict of interest when you coach riders of a different team? Absolutely love your channel, i was just curious
Devin got cake
Some guy sounds like he’s screaming in agony after that crash grabbing his leg in the rearview
I think that dude was on his second crash of the day, so his leg was already part hamburger and he landed on it again.
All these just serves to cement my belief enjoyment of pro cycling stops at buying a pro bike, with in if the pro level riding.
I’m happy being a poser on a 20k bike riding at 20kph, 20km to the nearest cafe and then heading home to call it a day after that
dude! super recovery.
ive seen so many POV's from the cat 1,2 race and it looks so awesome and yet so hard, sad about the race though!😒
Devin moved slightly left so the rider who was passing him leaned in a bit.
@9:17 what's that dripping?
Can that front wheel be rebuilt, or was the rim compromised?
Any chance we'll get a mikes bikes breakdown of pro nationals? there were so many of you!
POV you lean up against a belt sander
Wow, dude on the left… what a goof 🤦♂️
Great work, but - as someone who went through a couple of life-altering crashes racing, I would definitely appreciate a bit of a content warning at the beginning if there's going to be graphic footage of a crash in a video.
Is the juice worth the squeeze?
Was the guy behind you ok?
He locked out fast but his leg looks badly bent, also blood caught on camera.
Love Tulsa Tough!
Do most or any of you have some sort of insurance on your bikes?
The major(ish) teams are usually sponsored by someone, so they're riding the sponsors bikes.
Do you guys have an insurance to fix the bike or are you paying it out of the pocket?
This looks like a couple people each crit are getting a $1-2000 bill additionally to the scratches aso
No. It's just part of bike racing.
Their sponsored so no.
He should have pushed back the rider on the left. Being on the drops would have helped that. This allows your elbows to move out and protect your drops from being hooked from behind.
I mean maybe. I race all my crits in the hoods until we’re coming to the finish. My bars are low enough that I’m not too upright and it gives me better access to the brakes. We always say to not use your brakes in a crit, but there’s a difference between braking and modulating. I try not to brake as much as possible but your almost always modulating your speed when you in the bunch.
@@devenvangreuningen3275 You should put your brake levers closer or get a narrower bar. It is so much saver to be able to corner and brake comfortably in the drops.
@devenvangreuningen3275 I agree with the other person commenting. You need to configure your controls to be on the drops. The hoods are not a safe place to be on the race. It's safe for when you crash as well. If you hold on to your bars, you will protect your arms and collar bone. Have a look at Peter Sagan crashing. He does that. Very interesting. Enjoy your racing and be safe!
This is cool, 1st time seeing this type of racing. Looks badass, not some soft shit.
The other two that went down, were they ok?
Tough crash! it seems Devon moved left over the centerline way before the riders in front, putting down power to go on the inside of the rider in front. maybe he should have stuck on the wheel in front instead of trying to make a move into the corner, which looks to be more unpredictable than the other guy moving up on the left into open space.
The worst part of this is taking a shower with that road rash.
Does it have any consequences when a rider just straight up pushes another one into a third?
Not in this case but if it's any worse yes it can happen. But its not like the dude is replacing his bike for him.
That guy who leans into Devin needs to be penalized in some way, punishment should not only be in the world tour level events. That other rider pushing you over was uncalled for, unnecessary, and just plain dangerous. He needs to be suspended from upcoming events to say the least.
9:10 what you came here for.
Not as expensive - usa terms ... Only material dmges because the hospital would be more expensive
Overlapping wheels
Nothing happens to the guy that caused the crash?
nobody really "caused" this one unfortunately
Your elbows were locked not bent.
I have never seen so much bad bike handling and riding skills.... Like really, never seen something so sketchy when I raced.
I got a sampler pack of LMNT with a Feed order. Every last one of them tasted like absolute garbage. Maybe raspberry is the only drinkable one because everything else I had made seawater taste reasonable
Yeah, really strange that Jeff says you can only taste the salt a little bit. LMNT is the saltiest hydration mix I've ever tasted. I had to cut their recommended serving in half to get it anywhere near palatable.
I haven’t tried the other flavors maybe they’re trash and I got lucky, or maybe they changed the formula 🤷♂️ I’ll report back once I open another box of flavors
@@NorCalCycling I really hope they changed the formula because the stuff I got was undrinkable.
I've had orange, raspberry, citrus, watermelon, mango chili, and chocolate. I'd say raspberry is probably the least salty of them, but I really like most of them. Per my cardiologist my body needs a relatively high level of hydration in general, and sodium in particular, so I drink a lot of LMNT. Avoid the mango chili and chocolate, there's nothing good to be found there. Orange and watermelon are my favorites.
@@JSarazin I immediately threw up after having the chili one. I didn't look at what I put in the bottle and the taste was a complete shock to my system. The plain one is essentially just dumping 1k mg of salt into your drink.
That guy on the left is a poor bike handler - a twitcher in the parlance of pro riding - and either lacks situational awareness or intentionally crashes people. He had full view of what was coming and still bumped someone right into a line of riders moving left. I'm just gonna say it because the channel is too polite here: a JERK move. I know crit stuff happens but this is inexcusable in any race. I know it's not sanctionable but I hope he's at least marked for future races as the unsafe rider he is and people learn to avoid him.
And this is exactly why i will never ride crits in USA - some doofus will risk 10 lives to win a bag of Skratch. No thank you
This race is for the national jersey
rider on the left did him dirty. Realistically, I don't think there was much if anything that he could have done... had to have been insanely frustrating.
Of course you won with state wheels. I love my state blacklabel single speed with ebay carbon rims.
Lol, no shade but this comment is funny. Love for state wheels followed up by you using chinese wheels on your State bike.
@@Nahhnope lol
OOOPSSSS, YOUR BAD!
They need tp narrow the course to 1.5 lanes and put some hairpins and more corners. Otherwise people don't have anywhere to make a difference and have to take risk. Bike raci g shouldn't be a nascar race.
People would just take greater risks. ie. Dive bombing hairpins, more shoving, less room for error, and more. We would still be doing near 30 miles and hour, just a recipe for disaster.
@devenvangreuningen3275 That's not what happens in Europe. The variations in speed are so much that there is more differentiation, and the elastic band goes earlier. People can't dive bomb you if your hip is in front of their handlebar and you shut your corner. Maybe in cat 4, but above that, no way.
uuuugh. so painful to watch.
congratulations Dev!