The female interrogator is not getting paid enough. She did an excellent job talking with everyone affected by this horrific crime, including the juvenile.
Yeah she did an amazing job with him. Holy shit! This case is disturbing and heartbreaking. Watching his dad when they were told, stabbed my heart. What is super disgusting and weird is the blackberry jelly, like whhhaaatttt????? It's complete bs that he's gonna have a chance at being paroled!! I hope there are still people around to go to these parole meetings and remind them of allllll of the nastiness that is Gavon.
I was on track at 17 to be this kid, it's the fact I had a mother who wasn't a pushover that set me straight. Enabling parents do huge amounts of harm.
Dude holy crap that’s straight out of a movie the way the mom was saying how horrible the case of the old woman is and the killer is right there next to her. God rest Margaret’s soul and prayers to her family and loved ones ❤
Think she is part of the problem , the warning she sent to Gavon about the cops etc? - the scrolling through her phone in the interrogation room speaks volumes. Lazy ass parenting enabled this kid to develop this way imho.
She was born in 1920 and was a young lady in the 40s. She was 43 when Kennedy was shot she was 50 in 1970. She was 70 years old in 1990 and 80 years old in 2000. She lived through some of the toughest and most wonderful times. She was a living legend and living history. She was so important to our society as a living piece of history. She obviously took care of herself and she, at 98 years old was attacked by a monster and she STILL left battle wounds on the monster. She was certainly one heck of a human being and this piece of dirt doesn't even need mentioning.
@@thatvalensteingirlYou're probably right but I don't remember him actually saying it made it their fault or absolved his guilt. I heard him say something like, "Know how you're told your whole life to lock your doors and windows at night? You should actually DO that. People will never know how many houses I simply passed over when the entrances were locked to simply find an easier, unlocked one nearby which there always is."
Imagine being 98, you escaped death by accidents, illness, lived through world Wars, the great depression and more..so close to dying in your bed peacefully...only for a low life to do this to you. 🤦♀️
the fact you can tell his parents are trying so hard to keep their son out of trouble and he still knowingly gets into something like this. so disturbing that youll never truly KNOW someone.
They needed more than being grounded on him! He is getting out at night and when they are at work!! Cameras all around and constantly taking away electronics!!!
Notice how when the son is having a breakdown and says he probably never made them proud and how he feels useless, his mom just says “No cussing.” I would never excuse such a monstrous act, but the mom clearly gave him the motivation he needed.
They didn't try at all. If they had, he wouldn't have done what he did. They were not involved in his life enough to even know where he was most of the time, let alone to teach him.
Exactly, parents get a lot of blame but sometimes they're hopeless. The only thing they can do is disown the kid for getting into some trouble and give the to another family. But who does that and that's the ultimate fail. They knew their son was getting into a lot of trouble and did their best to make sure he had no time for mischief. Such a shame.
The way he said "It's their own fault for not locking the door" when talking about the cars, and knowing that Margaret left the door unlocked most of the time sent chills down my spine
Sounds like dark triad reasoning. The onus for their antisocial behaviour isn't on them to control and refrain from, but on everyone else to protect themselves against it. They're just an agent of chaos, minus the personal agency.
When asked “if she was sat here, what would you say to Margaret?” I could just feel him thinking “should have locked your doors”. He’s not sorry for hurting her, he’s sorry for ruining his life.
@@ccurrie9672 it does, they get to relive the experience while they're writing and know they'll be putting it into the mind of whoever reads it.. it's really a psychological power play, they control the narrative 100% . Narcs get really angry when you don't "follow the script" they have built in their minds about the way an interaction should go, this is a way for them to make sure you have exactly the information they want you to have
His response was what he thought he should say, not what he was really thinking. Even after explaining everything he did, he still felt the need to lie about his thoughts.
Amd the fact she tried to fight back and left defensive marks on the suspect. That was one tough granny. I can see it in her picture. She's tough as nails. If she was any younger, that kid may not have stood a chance.
What baffles me is why on earth she didn't lock the door? It blows my mind that there are people out there that don't lock their doors when there's all sorts of crazy people out there every generation.
@@xoluciaxo_3721such an extreme case with overwhelming evidence. You find a journal where he clearly points out that he does not care and does not feel anything. That's a psychopath that should live out his life in a mental asylum after serving his sentence. His actions should have overwritten his age at the time. I hate it when the system hides gruesome acts behind age. He knew what he did, hiding the body showed he knew it was wrong. What more do you need? Because he's 1 year away from being an adult he gets off easy instead of life in prison?
He'll have plenty of time to go over what he did. To assess what went wrong and the mistakes he made to get caught. Psychopaths are fucking intelligent. I really hope he doesn't make it and stays in prison forever. A 42 year old man is still pretty fresh and healthy. Just saying.
What the father says is so profound. " She was 98 years old and just living out her days .. and then there's😮😮😮 MY SON. You have all these fucked up people out here ... And it's my SON?!" Broke my heart
It's sad. Good normal people don't want their own children to grow up to be murderers they want them to be decent. Some people just don't have it good in life.
If the door was locked he would have broken in. He had it all planned to do this. Premeditated planned out with video taping everything to watch later and relive this!
@@mattepperson6292idk if there was a killer that actually did this, but ik it’s a popular quote/scene from The Strangers. In that movie though, it was simply because they were home.
@@GLKHD He had a secret app on his phone for the videos, lied when he wanted and only admitted to the killing when brought back in. He was a talker in the end, but it took multiple interviews to get him there.
The worst thing I did at 17 was trying to sneak out the house very quietly since the wood floor would creak and wake my mom up. I was more scared of my mom waking up to do anything else, but this guy...
People say some version of the same comment in every true crime documentary about murder, then a bunch of people give it a thumbs up. In fact, most people are going to care about their own self-preservation, knowing they're likely to serve a large portion of their life or entire life in prison. It isn't a unique trait for psychopaths. That's just how humans are. It's like saying, "Water is wet."
Imagine how disturbing it must feel for his entire family! To know the disgusting and disturbing details of the crime! I’d be so scared and sickened by the crimes, I’d find it hard to want any communication with him (even if he was family)! What a nightmare for everyone involved!
Yeah seriously. I'm glad I've never had to deal with a family member this bad, the worst one is my cousin who got busted cooking up some Heisenberg if you know what I mean 😆 I'm glad my family doesn't have any maniacs like this lol
This crime has scared me. I have a lil old lady that lives alone in my neighborhood. I am always on her about making sure her doors are locked. I have a zero tolerance for people who hurt children, old people and animals.
stay in touch with them, it’s seems the one through line with all these crimes is the only way they get solved is the friendly neighbor who always checks up on them.
My neighbor has dementia and his family have to lock him in at night which is dangerous but otherwise he would be wandering. He opened the window and was shouting that he was starving ..he wasn't he is well fed three times a day and he is out during the day sitting on his bench talking to neighbours. Unfortunately his family live a block over so we all keep an eye out for him. We all deserve a safe world where elderly people and kids can wander around and not be murdered though.
Given he was breaking cerfew and wouldn't have wanted to risk waking his parents up do you think he jumped in the shower to frantically wash the jam off his dong or did he just go straight to bed?
Really? This is typical behaviour of someone trying to cover their tracks. Makes 100% sense preventing his mom finding out he had snuck out was his priority, as that was the first person likely to tie him to the murder.
@@Nameless-y9sjust hope he doesn’t go after your grandmother next, since you’re willing to defend him. He lied through his teeth, recorded it all, admitted he doesn’t feel bad. He should rot in prison
@@zombiesrcute I don't defend him. I am saying that 25 years is a long time, psychologically, it's enough time for a person to change. Stop watching TV series and learn a little why imprisonments are for LIMITED YEARS. wanna know? For the exact same reason. Right now I don't defend him no, but in future yes.
It's refreshing to see level headed parents. The dad's first thought was of the poor old lady and her terrifying last moments. In many of these videos the parents refuse to believe their kid did anything wrong
The mother is weird to me. I understand those who say she's in shock but th fact that she answered for her child at the begining (both my parents would have pressure me in such a situation), her no reaction when detectives tells her the truth (that she seems to have anticipated from the begining) the fact that when her husband is tearing up describing what his son did she has no f ing reaction, this is so weird to me. Maybe she is a very strong woman holding it up for her family, but that's something I don't understand (Sry for mystakes, english is not my mother tongue)
@@Benalla_1erI don’t think you can judge on a person’s first reaction. A feeling of unreality can overcome people at times like this. Call it shock or whatever, but they’re disconnected from what’s happening while their brains are trying to process.
@@Benalla_1eryou must be blind and deaf because she had pretty verbal reactions bud, fucking internet weirdos always trying to be armchair psychologists
Imagine living to the age of 98 and seeing everything and experiencing all that she did. Then to have your life snuffed out by some psychotic teenager. What an absolute travesty.
this is one of the ones that makes me wonder how law enforcement can hear these confessions and not lose their shit. Takes a lot of guts to be a good officers of the law. I've got a ton of respect for the detectives involved in this case. This shit made me cry.
Female detective is absolute perfection in her job. And also male officer who sit on the ground to make killer more comfortable to speak truth is genius move. These cops are great!
I was impressed too. I've watched so many of these interrogations where the investigators are combative or adversarial, and it seems far less effective than this calm approach.
@@katydid8229 When you mirror someone’s stance and position, that person tends to like you more. Because that way both of your body languages match and it means both of you appear to feel the same way, which makes the other person more comfortable.
@@maccthelab5165 Too many are quick to blame the parents but each child/person has free will to choose whom they will be. History and the Bible has recorded numerous excellent parents who had evil children.
@@Linda-n9xI was going to make a comment about that… I don’t know her and I don’t want to judge her, nonetheless… There seems to be a pattern with moms that would defend their sons, or think above their wellbeing first, no matter what they did, or not giving enough importance to the situations, in cold blooded killers. It’s weird to find a mom saying “he deserves it for what he did”. That caught my attention in several serial killers’ cases were the mom didn’t inflict pain but was heavily supporting her son.
I think she knew for days. Since the very first questioning. She probably spends way more time with him than the dad and saw the writing on the wall, all the while ignoring every bit of it to protect her son.
Theyre mentally very messed up. Id say they are born without functioning amygdalas that part of the brain for empathy. He was in councelling told his councellors this stuff and they should have svanned his brain to see if he was a psychopath and put him in a secure mental hospital to try to treat him and keep the world safe. Somone without empathy is a threat to everyone. If he had covid he would be locked up to save the granny but hes got a messed uo brain and nobody even does anything about it?
He seems pretty tortured. It’s sad. Clearly his parents were trying to protect him from himself. Too bad for all of us that they were unsuccessful. As a parent I don’t know what I’d do with a child who just makes such poor decisions and knows it.
@@crazychase98 I can’t speak as to what he cared about, other than to say that he clearly loved the adrenaline rush more. He clearly knew that he was stuck on what he calls the darkness. He knows that he is different from other people and he’s struggling not to be what he appears to be.
The father’s reaction to finding out is a perfect example of what real emotion looks like in response to this type of situation. Even though the person who committed the horrible crime was his son, the first person he showed concern for was the woman.
Yes, compared to his mum. I know she was in shock but she seemed more bothered that her son would go to prison for murder rather than brutally taking a person’s life like her husband’s reaction was.
Ok….AND? No matter wtf he did or does THATS. HER. BABY. PERIOD. You OBVIOUSLY dont even have kids to speak about how her emotions should or shouldn’t be shown….. IDGAF what my daughter does ill NEVER disown her and i can guarantee id NEVVVER EVVER leave her side NO MATTER WHAAT … Have children before u think u can pass judgment on HER emotions
This is horrifying! My grandmother is 101 and still lives alone down the street for me. I take care of her and she is very religious about locking her doors but still you never know. It’s sad too because this just shows you can be good parents and still have a child go completely off the psychological rails! You deserved a quiet peaceful passing😔Rest in love and light Margaret🙏🏼🕊
I keep reminding my 86-yr old mother to lock doors before going to bed. She said but our neighborhood is safe. I said there is no safe neighborhood. Thrill killers are out there looking for opportunities.
My dad as well he been robbed a few times bc the neighbor knows he don’t lock doors his excuse we never had to lock doors which I remember the doors always being open when my grandparents was alive
@@hideriplays2626 I would especially lock our doors if we lived somewhere remote. At least in a city or town, the law of plenty [of houses] dilutes the chance that they may randomly pick your house, but in the middle of nowhere yours is the only one.
It’s crazy to me that people don’t keep their doors locked at all times. I’ve seen posts from others on Nextdoor about how some random person just walked into their home. No thanks. My doors stay locked regardless of the time of day.
That is one messed up kid. Knowing your child was a sociopath like this kid would be beyond heartbreaking. He’s a serial killer who just hadn’t made it to victim 2.
@@Wintersesr I think the logic is pretty obvious. In both cases we are accounting murders that never happened. That makes him a serial killer and that makes the rest of us murderers. Anyway I understand what you meant. I agree he would have kill again.
@@davidrele I am not the one accounting people with murders they never commited... I just apply what she did to him to the rest of us. Oh suddenly it is not right? 😅 It's always the same hateful comments after those videos. What about learning decency from that great empathetic female cop in the video?
@@bobby9192thats ridiculous so your saying anyone could go to jail for killing everyone and if they found religion they could be released back into the wild
It’s a little off topic but we really need to stop with the over use of the words “like” and “literally”. Half the time I lose concentration on what someone is saying because I can’t stop hearing those words. Even as he’s telling his story and crying during admitting, I couldn’t listen.
@@yourlifeisagreatstory teens say "like" and "litterally" alot. Plus he was out on the spot so the words are kind of lost. Either way, this is terrible, rest in peace Margaret Douglas...😞
I thought that also! ("Can't express his emotions" is shrink talk -- wonder where he picked that up!) He probably had some counseling, as some of his sentences indicate.
@@yourlifeisagreatstory those are just filler words like "um" and "uh". They have been used as long as people have communicated. Some people use them more than others, and more often depending on the situation (being very stressed or confused). It's not going to ever stop, you might as well accept that.
He’s also a victim did everyone just skip the fact he said he was raped as a kid …then turns to grinder to meet old men ..do shit for adrenaline..this is sad for him too he didn’t get the help he needed and this is the result of that. This is sad both ways RIP to that poor old lady
@@Tr0ublezz i know that, he was a very troubled kid for sure. i’m sad that he couldn’t/didn’t get help, i agree if he got help this wouldn’t have happened, but its happened and we can’t change anything
@@Tr0ublezz I was thinking the same thing, his mother should have put him in a mental institution or with a psychiatrist under medication, not just counseling. Also bravo for the physician that diagnosed him adhd when he's a psychopath
It's always interesting to me when a parent thinks their child's friend is the one causing problems. Nope, it's YOUR kid that the other kid should stay away from.
Maybe. ...or maybe it IS the other kid. ...or maybe it's BOTH kids. As an undiagnosed and over-drugged autistic kid, I had a lot of "behavioral issues" and got in a fair amount of big trouble as a preteen and early teenager. Sometimes I was the bad influence on my friend. Sometimes my friends were a bad influence on me. Sometimes my friends and I were getting in trouble together because we were all "bad". (which was the case most of the time) Not all parents are in denial just because this one particular mom is. ...and when it does happen, it's really not that surprising. Accepting that your own child is a monster has to be one of the hardest psychological mountains to climb. Love and denial are *VERY* powerful emotions - especially when they're mixed with a traumatic event.
Lmao yea she didn’t want him hanging around braden, meanwhile the entire time her son was writing all these different scenarios in his journal of him murdering braden 😭😭😭
@@octogirl2046 she didn't know. she had the killer living in her home all along thinking the danger came from outside. that's why it hits differently when she found out.
@@Magnetar_Haunt I more so meant it’s crazy how sometimes you never really know people, even your own children. It’s terrifying. I wasn’t saying she was aware of what he was doing, that’s why it’s so crazy to me. Because you never know..
@@jennnna5150, I dont know how that person thought your comment sounded as if she knew it was her son, I knew what you meant and didnt get that feeling from the comment. Weird.
@@ape2183I mean he had a huge rap sheet already. She seemed so dismissive like “oh it’s just another one”. She’s such a massive failure she’s as creepy as he is.
He sobbed like a baby because he "ruined his life" and not the fact he tortured and murdered an innocent elderly woman. I will never understand how anyone can believe a criminal's crocodile tears. The only person a murderer cries for is himself.
@@bridgetonowhere I was listening while I was grocery shopping, and people must have been looking ay me funny bc my facial expressions were all over the place. I may have even been responding out loud 😂 My reaction at the very end when he basically asked “how long am I gonna be in jail?” ???? Omg the gasp that came out of my mouth 😱😠😤
Speaking for myself, I’m like, “Yeah, get it out of your system so they can take your punk ass to prison. You don’t want the homies to see you crying…but stay tuned. They are gonna LOVE you when they find out what you did. And they will find out…”
This was the right detective to interrogate him. A soft spoken mom vibe. She did a great job. Editing bc I just saw where the guy detective got in the floor with him. That was also a good move. A calm “I understand” vibe was the right way to approach him
Margaret was a fucking badass, lived shit long and fought all the way to the end. If I was being pressed by cops over something bad I did and my own mother was by my side talking about it it and to me the way this mans mother was, I'd have broken immediately. The idea that he would instead attempt to make her fall for crocodile tears is heartbreaking. To betray the love of your own mother to defend yourself for this level of depravity is a born evil.
These officers were some of the best Ive ever seen. The woman was so caring and non judgmental and the man got down on the floor to the kids level. They really did a great job of getting the perpetrator comfortable.
That male detective did an amazing job mirroring Gavin. He helped in easing the anxiety of the suspect. He knew the female detective was doing an excellent job with the interrogation and played his part as support to the best of his abilities. His transition from each posture was smooth and timed well so as not to seem like he was forcing it or imitating the suspect in a mocking manner.
Knew this kid growing up as I worked in a local store. This kid was always a good kid, respectful, he comes from a really good family, and parents. To learn he was the killer was shocking to me and the whole community. So many years later and I’m still shocked. Rip Margaret
True. May not be the same situation but when my grandma died, my body didn't feel much for the first week or two before i actually brgan feeling sad. The bodz just doesn't know what to do
It's there for the mental health background, I have adhd and severe depression. Everyone knows that adhd and depression doesnt mean that we kill people, but sadly it does increase the chances
A word of advice from somebody who had a similar aged grandmother. Cherish the fact she's still with you. Call her tonight. It may not seem like much in the moment, but it'll mean the world to her, and to you down the line.
My great gramma is 94, and I can't imagine someone doing something so vile to her. If I was Gavon's sister or a female relative, would've needed a drink after finding out my own flesh and blood could do something so vile.
I just lost my Granny a few weeks ago. She had been slowly dying the previous month. I meant to call her several times, but I usually work nights so I’m asleep during the day. I could’ve made time but that time just flew by and by the time I finally picked up the phone she was already gone mentally and unable to talk. My sister passed away at 17yrs old and my stepdad passed away a few years ago. I always meant to call but my excuse was “things are busy.” DO NOT MAKR MY MISTAKE. Call your loved ones, hug them, say “I love you”… because you can never get that time back. That five minutes to take a break is far better than the time you’ll spend regretting not taking it.
@@yourlifeisagreatstory This happened to me, too. My grandmother was always very sickly. I came back home after a long trip as an exchange student in a different country, and meant to call her a billion times but never did. Not long after I arrived we got a call that she had a stroke and she passed away shortly after. I wish I had called her.
@Brando-wc8fz she's in shock, she would have so many thoughts going on in her head for that poor old lady that family and knowing that her own child did it.
@Brando-wc8fz she was shocked and probably still hopping he didn't do it. Hope always dies last. Then she had 2 more kids to think of, she didn't want them to know yet. You can see when she called older son to go out so they don't have trauma from police going through the house. I mean even after vid I do not know what I would odbeside being numb from shock. Poor family from both sides and old woman....
Only a jerk or a criminal would say his robbery of a vehicle is the vehicle owner's fault for not locking the car. That is a disturbing messed up way of thinking.
He blamed the lady he murdered for not locking her door. He has the darkness in him because he invited it in. He remains in the darkness because he enjoys doing evil perverse things.
i knew there was something wrong with him when he first said that. That's how a leftist thinks with their "peaceful protests" and anyone who defends them.
"If the door would've been locked I would've just walked away" and that is the exact reasons why I keep my doors locked even during the daylight hours.
That poor, poor woman. Imagine surviving nearly a century. Surviving the Great Depression, WWII, The Cold War....only to have your life snuffed out in the worst way. God bless her.
I can't imagine how scared that poor woman must have been in her final moments of her life. She deserved to pass peacefully at the end of an impressively long life; instead she was robbed by a psychopath. I'm very close with my grandma and this situation just made me truly sad to watch
If your grandparents live alone or they don't live in a safe area then everyone should at least get them a ring doorbell or minimal security system. It's really not that expensive and it's worth doing especially if they leave their doors unlocked or something like that. Such a minimal deterant might have been enough to keep Gavon from breaking in her home that night if he knew there were cameras but we will sadly never know.
Hopefully you're not a single mother. Boys will be boys is reality, single moms think Adderall and other drugs are the answer, no, the answer is boys AREN'T girls. Stop trying to make them into something they're not.
His father though.. his reaction was hard to watch. It’s crazy to see the contrast between him and his son who only expressed grief for himself for “ruining his life” meanwhile his father is crying for his son, and the innocent 98 year old women that his child murdered and violated and probably blaming himself.
The mother is lost. Her heart is broken, she doesn't know how to process and grieve this situation. It's very hard to navigate, so dont sit there and judge herbehind a screen based on how you THINK she should react. You have no ideawhat shes going through.@bernicezappala7958
@@bernicezappala7958 Yeah, that's what I took away the most. I wonder if some of what Gavin might be genetic from his mom's side or perhaps there were things that happened between him and his mom growing up too.
I don't understand her reaction either but she did say that she couldn't cry. That I understand. When told my daughter died unexpectedly I became frozen. I couldn't cry. It took a few hours before I let out a scream and cried my heart out. Maybe this happened to her although I have a feeling that the notion her son could be involved probably passed through her mind. My condolences to Margaret's family and friends.
@@blancabulgrin5560 He's still very much a child. The age of adults needs to be raised bc certain parts of the brain aren't fully developed until mid 20s. The part of the brain behind the forehead, called the prefrontal cortex, is one of the last parts to mature. This area is responsible for skills like planning, prioritizing, and making good decisions; allows us to process the pros and cons of a decision before it is made.
Massive respect to this individuals parents for helping the police and not living in denial just because it was their son, bet that wasn’t easy but they are good people
@@veelalynneyeah, this is a sad case of a severely mentally impaired kid that, even if it wasn't the poor woman, was about to kill any other person given the chance.
They probably did feel responsible. No parent wants to believe that their child could do something like this all on their own. They probably wondered, ateast for a time, where they screwed up amd what they did to put their son on that path
Luke 12:2 ”For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, nor hidden that will not be known. Therefore whatever you have spoken in the dark will be heard in the light, and what you have spoken in the ear in inner rooms will be proclaimed on the housetops.” That phrase comes from the good book! Jesus is KING! Pray to the Lord my brothers and sisters, ask Christ for forgiveness and to fill your heart with the holy spirit and the Lord will guide you out of strife, believe in the Lord Jesus, Amen.
@@jenniferbaggett5775 Yes, I noticed that. The father is crying and she is stone cold. I would’ve been vomiting everywhere. I’d venture to say she is part of the kids problem.
It's from the Bible! 😊 Luke 12:2-4 (KJV) For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known. Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops. And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
Scariest part of raising kids tbh. You go through 9 months of pregnancy & 18 years of doing your best raising them, just to release a monster out into the world
I mean, the mother seemed really cold when they told them their son was the killer. I can see where he got the coldness from, though she seems well adjusted and not 'dark' like her son.
Goes to show you can’t teach humanity. A human should be born with it already. If they need it to be taught to them, they aren’t human in the first place.
What this guy did is absolutely disgusting, and there's no excuse for it. But I can't help but feel some kind of empathy for someone who doesn't feel the way the rest of us would feel about this kind of thing. It's just a fucking tragedy... Like it's pathetic to watch him sit there crying and squirming because he knows he got caught and he fucked up his life. It's also interesting that he seemed to genuinely find it hard to admit to doing the wrong thing in front of his mum, and didn't seem to want to disappoint them even though he has issues with caring about people. I don't know, it's so bizarre and grotesque.
It’s called narcissism. He doesn’t care about people but he cares how they perceive him. They spend their whole lives orchestrating a personality that attracts people to care and not see them for who they are. So no, he doesn’t care even a little. He’s upset peoples perception of him is negative forever and he got caught for his crimes.
Why is this so surprising to anyone? His journal entries and admissions clearly show that he lacks empathy and compassion for others. Self-preservation, such as being upset and worried about ruining his own life, isn’t uncommon, even in people who are sociopaths, psychopaths (which are two different things, despite being used interchangeably), narcissists, or have personality disorders. They don’t feel emotions for others but will feel sorry for themselves and do anything to save themselves. They also care about how they’re perceived by others. For example, Gavin mentions his family being embarrassed and humiliated, which is why he doesn’t want to admit to the acts of sexual assault. I don’t understand why people are upset or stunned that he doesn't know about his victim when he clearly states in his journals that he doesn’t care about his victims but doesn’t want to be in prison forever. Instead of being insulted at how he doesn’t feel bad he committed bad and asking why it happened, ask how it happened. This is much more complex than simply being "born that way," which we know isn't true in this case. It's also harder for children with these tendencies, thoughts, and disorders to hide them. He didn’t show any signs of sociopathic behavior before puberty, and there’s a reason it started after puberty. It wasn't because he was born that way; it was due to his psyche being warped by external influences. And I could get into them but unless it’s complex and complicated so unless people are actually interested in the pathology of perpetrators such as Gavin and not just pulling the “oh no, he’s so evil and etc and I’m so disturbed and blah blah blah” but never want to actually explore how cases like this happened.
@@bradenharris8718 Your explanation is really informative... How can people get educated about this? What sources of information can we use? I'm extremely interested in a more detailed explanation
@@iventi6977 theres' tons of articles and books online that are a search away. Start with looking up ODD, conduct disorder, and ASPD. Psychology is fascinating, and google is your best friend
Why are you shocked??? What are you people thinking? Yes, he is sad he ruined his life. His life is what is important for him. He doesn't care about others.
the parents' reactions were so heartbreaking. their son had counselling, and he was grounded. they tried, but to have brought up a murderer... they must be feeling really heartbroken and guilty
seriously. his dads reaction had me bursting out in tears. i mean, the story of margaret’s death was out for at least a week at that point so everyone would be wondering who did this and when they’re caught. for your son to be the answer …. i could not imagine.
as heartbreaking as it is, i'm also glad that they were just as disgusted as they were distraught. i've seen too many families of killers who are double down on the killer being a "good (troubled) kid" and not called them what they were, monsters.
@@Elemental_Buttahfly_II They tried multiple times to help him. They just seem like normal people who tried but their son's brain was broken. It literally isn't their fault and it doesn't remotely sound like they knew their son was capable of murder and necrophilia...
No logic. No common-sense. I am disgusted and horrified beyond measure. 😢 The parents, I just cannot imagine. 💔 I hope they stay strong and be there for each-other. Complete sociopathic-psychopath! Glad he got caught so young! Keep your doors and windows locked 🔒! What a horrific way to leave this world. That poor woman 😭!
He will not be released in 25. He admitted it himself that he can't control himself. But hopefully lots of people show up for Margaret & speak on her behalf at his parole hearing. He doesn't deserve to ever breathe fresh air again in his lifetime.
@@AndyDrake-FOOKYT Thanks to open borders we have horrors like this walking around everywhere. Please be careful. Other countries, to save money, have literally emptied their prisons and sent them over to the USA and Europe.
@@AndyDrake-FOOKYT He won’t be released after 25 years. Is has absolutely nothing to do with faith in the system but because he was not ONLY just sentenced “to life with a possibility of parole after 25”, he was conhvicted of two other charges, one of which he was sentenced to 60 years for, he has to serve the eternity of that sentence plus the 40 years on his conviction. He was not given the possibility of parole in either one of his other sentences. So, even if he was the best, most well behaved, angel of an inmate, hne’s still not making that 25 year parole date. And so that leaves us with him being 18 when sentenced so, 78 years old when he finally finishes his mandatory sentence. So sure, maybe he’ll win parole then. Although that 16 year old will be long gone and in his place, you have frail, unhealthy geriatrics living in a high stress environment which is where the average age of long term inmates is usually 63-65 years. I wouldn’t worry myself. He’s not getting out anytime soon, probably never. The possibility of parole is JUST that only a possibility and just helps keep long term inmates serving life in line since you have to have a near spotless record to get it. Everything goes together.
As he’s in tears: ‘It doesn’t change the fact I’ve ruined MY life’ - the fact he ONLY seems upset about the consequences and not what he actually did to this poor elderly woman just shows he has 0 remorse for it. Another narcissist. The pain in that dad’s voice is so heartbreaking
@@julieburton7253 Really don't think he was. It's common for people who do something like this to have been SA'd as a child. It would also be a weirdly specific thing to lie about since he didn't try to use it as some kind of scapegoat. He sort of just... mentioned it
I feel what You said may be right to some degree. If it is true, what He claimed, about being SA, as a kid? Possibly could have messed Him up mentally? But there are many boys/girls that are victims of SA, and He is definitely unique to what He turned out to be. No good emotions, only dark. Definitely mentally ill psychopath.
I'm a 67 year old man & I've watched a few of these cases now, but this one is the first one that made me cry. It brings home in no uncertain terms how many lives something like this destroys. I weep for the 98 year old, the mother and the rest of the murderers family, but as I have 2 sons I can imagine myself in that fathers place & what thoughts & feelings must be going through his head.
i was surprised ewu didnt pick up on that and point it out like they usually do. i notice they stopped doing the educational bits on interrogation techniques which im sad about :/
@@rulingstone123 maybe they don't have the same people that would do it as before, considering they hire teams with specific backgrounds to make notes on what they review
It's so strange seeing a self-aware psychopath. It's like he *wants* to feel guilt, *knows* that it's not right that he doesn't...just...how alienating.
I know right? He exhibited so many sociopathic behaviors, by definition. Like when he was concerned about his dad finding out what he did. That reminds me of a story about Clyde Barrows, of Bonnie and Clyde fame - he was a classic sociopath, and when he was caught, his big worry was that his dad would find out what he did. Anyway, this kid's inability to feel any sympathy, his constant whining about his situation, his manipulation of the conversation and people's feelings. Crying and rolling on the floor - what a showman. What a monster.
I totally agree with you! He was very aware of his demons. I really feel like if these troubled persons could reach an organization that wouldn't judge and just help them, these horrible acts could be avoided. Once I've watched a documentary about how such structures exist for people sexually attracted to children and at first I thought it was weird but it made me understand how some of those persons know it's wrong and don't want to give in their impulses. Some are a lost cause of course.. but I'm convinced that schools especially should popularize psychological support in general and stop focusing on gender identity lessons... our youth need to work on their mental health!
@@manana6646parents are the ones responsible for their children’s mental health. The issue is, with some kids, being in therapy isn’t enough because the parents put on a show. His mother displayed some pretty gross tendencies. This kid was talking about wanting to be a better person and his mom focus wasn’t his distress but the fact that he was cussing. I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason he was so damaged after his sexual abuse is because of his mother and possibly his father. I wouldn’t be surprised if she didn’t know about his sexual abuse as a child or if she did she swept it under the rug.
@@Paulco67hopefully not - eligible for release doesn’t mean automatically released. In most states it’s around 20-30% get parole on the first try. I’d say given the horrific nature of his crime that % is much lower
What bothers me the most about these scenes of criminals crying when left alone, it's because they are crying that they got caught and they will have to suffer the consequences of their actions, not because they have any remorse. Pure evil.
The female interrogator is not getting paid enough. She did an excellent job talking with everyone affected by this horrific crime, including the juvenile.
Not all of it, that early fuck up at the start could've ruined the whole interrogation.
Yeah she did an amazing job with him.
Holy shit! This case is disturbing and heartbreaking.
Watching his dad when they were told, stabbed my heart.
What is super disgusting and weird is the blackberry jelly, like whhhaaatttt?????
It's complete bs that he's gonna have a chance at being paroled!! I hope there are still people around to go to these parole meetings and remind them of allllll of the nastiness that is Gavon.
How much is she getting paid?
@@markyg1970 Not enough.
You have no idea how much she’s paid for her job. 😂
When I was 17, I was closing the fridge door slowly to see when the light would turn off. This guy at 17 💀
Right, out killing ppl. What is going on
I was on track at 17 to be this kid, it's the fact I had a mother who wasn't a pushover that set me straight. Enabling parents do huge amounts of harm.
@@superoffended6737Kudos yo your mother and to you, for listening to her and not becoming like the kid in this video.
@@superoffended6737did you just admit to almost becoming a murderer?💀 His mother obviously didn’t know anything especially with his shit acting
@@jul2447or…. Or… hear me out. He could be just talking about the thieving and breaking in cars.
This kid 100% would be a serial killer if he wasn't caught after the first one.
Problem is he still could be he possibly gets out in 2043 like wtf he needs to be there for LIFE
@@jennidv75that’s not long enough at all!
For sure. Look at the deviant he is at 17. Committing crimes like this. It would only have gotten more depraved and committed more often.
I agree 100%. He was definitely a major danger already. I'm glad he got caught first time doing it.
@@jennidv75that’s life here in Canada. You could kill 10 people and you will only get 25 years total.
Dude holy crap that’s straight out of a movie the way the mom was saying how horrible the case of the old woman is and the killer is right there next to her. God rest Margaret’s soul and prayers to her family and loved ones ❤
Think she is part of the problem , the warning she sent to Gavon about the cops etc? - the scrolling through her phone in the interrogation room speaks volumes. Lazy ass parenting enabled this kid to develop this way imho.
She was born in 1920 and was a young lady in the 40s. She was 43 when Kennedy was shot she was 50 in 1970. She was 70 years old in 1990 and 80 years old in 2000. She lived through some of the toughest and most wonderful times. She was a living legend and living history. She was so important to our society as a living piece of history. She obviously took care of herself and she, at 98 years old was attacked by a monster and she STILL left battle wounds on the monster. She was certainly one heck of a human being and this piece of dirt doesn't even need mentioning.
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Maths is fun!
@@jwatty8429
Math not meth!
@@headron66 A bunch of virtue signallers and keyboard warriors trying to claim the moral high ground?
@@headron66Judging by the comments these videos is heaven for narcissists. Me me me.
Once he said "its their fault for not locking the car" you know he's got no morals
Richard Ramirez made the same excuse, that people didn't lock their doors to keep him out. It's such weaksauce.
Yet his mother seems like a decent person. How can her kid turn out like that?
@@thatvalensteingirlYou're probably right but I don't remember him actually saying it made it their fault or absolved his guilt. I heard him say something like, "Know how you're told your whole life to lock your doors and windows at night? You should actually DO that. People will never know how many houses I simply passed over when the entrances were locked to simply find an easier, unlocked one nearby which there always is."
@AlphaGeekgirl ,I don't think it was his mom or dads doing that their kid is a killer, i think hes was just born with his brain wires crossed.
@@AlphaGeekgirl Because kids of his age think for themselves and sometimes do things they were never brought up to do.
Imagine being 98, you escaped death by accidents, illness, lived through world Wars, the great depression and more..so close to dying in your bed peacefully...only for a low life to do this to you. 🤦♀️
💔
Fr!
The lowest of life
Makes you want to tell your love ones you care about them! ALMOST!
She was 98 and living on her own too!! She must have been a firecracker to survive 98 years and still have the fortitude to live on her own.
the fact you can tell his parents are trying so hard to keep their son out of trouble and he still knowingly gets into something like this. so disturbing that youll never truly KNOW someone.
They needed more than being grounded on him! He is getting out at night and when they are at work!! Cameras all around and constantly taking away electronics!!!
i dont even know this kid and its still unbelievable he did all this
Notice how when the son is having a breakdown and says he probably never made them proud and how he feels useless, his mom just says “No cussing.”
I would never excuse such a monstrous act, but the mom clearly gave him the motivation he needed.
They didn't try at all. If they had, he wouldn't have done what he did. They were not involved in his life enough to even know where he was most of the time, let alone to teach him.
Exactly, parents get a lot of blame but sometimes they're hopeless. The only thing they can do is disown the kid for getting into some trouble and give the to another family. But who does that and that's the ultimate fail. They knew their son was getting into a lot of trouble and did their best to make sure he had no time for mischief. Such a shame.
The way he said "It's their own fault for not locking the door" when talking about the cars, and knowing that Margaret left the door unlocked most of the time sent chills down my spine
I thought about that too!
Pretty common victim blaming mentality
He's so fng creepy and sick...
First thing he said of the second interview "I ruined MY life" very selfish
Sounds like dark triad reasoning. The onus for their antisocial behaviour isn't on them to control and refrain from, but on everyone else to protect themselves against it. They're just an agent of chaos, minus the personal agency.
When asked “if she was sat here, what would you say to Margaret?” I could just feel him thinking “should have locked your doors”. He’s not sorry for hurting her, he’s sorry for ruining his life.
"I wish you had locked your doors, I would have walked away because I'm too lazy to break in."
He's not even sorry for that, he's sorry he got caught
I agree he is just sorry he got caught. Why do they always want to write it down? Does it give them a thrill?
@@ccurrie9672 it does, they get to relive the experience while they're writing and know they'll be putting it into the mind of whoever reads it.. it's really a psychological power play, they control the narrative 100% .
Narcs get really angry when you don't "follow the script" they have built in their minds about the way an interaction should go, this is a way for them to make sure you have exactly the information they want you to have
His response was what he thought he should say, not what he was really thinking. Even after explaining everything he did, he still felt the need to lie about his thoughts.
To be 98yrs old and still living by yourself, she must have been a tough lady. I'm sure she's very missed and I hope she's RIP.
Amd the fact she tried to fight back and left defensive marks on the suspect. That was one tough granny. I can see it in her picture. She's tough as nails. If she was any younger, that kid may not have stood a chance.
They don't make em like that anymore
@@Who_Dey420 Must have even been WW2 nurse?
The female detective who talked to everyone - she needs an award for this case... she handled everyone caringly
What baffles me is why on earth she didn't lock the door? It blows my mind that there are people out there that don't lock their doors when there's all sorts of crazy people out there every generation.
He was 17. He is eligible for parole at the age of 42. This makes zero sense.
Not at all
Maybe because he’s a minor? But still, i’m shocked they didn’t convict him as an adult since this is such an extreme case
@@xoluciaxo_3721 they charge 14 year old black kids as adults daily.
@@xoluciaxo_3721such an extreme case with overwhelming evidence. You find a journal where he clearly points out that he does not care and does not feel anything. That's a psychopath that should live out his life in a mental asylum after serving his sentence. His actions should have overwritten his age at the time. I hate it when the system hides gruesome acts behind age. He knew what he did, hiding the body showed he knew it was wrong. What more do you need? Because he's 1 year away from being an adult he gets off easy instead of life in prison?
He'll have plenty of time to go over what he did. To assess what went wrong and the mistakes he made to get caught. Psychopaths are fucking intelligent. I really hope he doesn't make it and stays in prison forever. A 42 year old man is still pretty fresh and healthy. Just saying.
What the father says is so profound. " She was 98 years old and just living out her days .. and then there's😮😮😮 MY SON. You have all these fucked up people out here ... And it's my SON?!"
Broke my heart
yuh ok
It's sad. Good normal people don't want their own children to grow up to be murderers they want them to be decent. Some people just don't have it good in life.
@@laceylovley6535 You mean his 98yr old, helpless victim!
It was his mom may made him a psychopath. She was trying to throw him under the bus and she had no emotion what so ever.
he is the only one from that family that understand the crime, neither the son nor his mother grasped it.
"If the door was locked I would've walked away" is the most absurd attempt at victim-blaming I've ever heard
If the door was locked he would have broken in. He had it all planned to do this. Premeditated planned out with video taping everything to watch later and relive this!
@@SHY-po7xzfor sure
This is similar to a serial killer, I forget which, that said he would check doors and if it was unlocked he felt "invited" in to kill them
@@mattepperson6292 Oh geez. It's like you're already a serial killer, yet you somehow manage to make yourself look like an even worse person
@@mattepperson6292idk if there was a killer that actually did this, but ik it’s a popular quote/scene from The Strangers. In that movie though, it was simply because they were home.
The interrogation officer was razor sharp, pushed all the right buttons, and softly spoken. Very effective.
Yeah because he was really trying hard to hide anything too 🙄😂
@@GLKHD He had a secret app on his phone for the videos, lied when he wanted and only admitted to the killing when brought back in.
He was a talker in the end, but it took multiple interviews to get him there.
very demure 😝
I read Very Effective in Steven He's voice 💀
@@TheLifeOfLa2😂😂😂
The worst thing I did at 17 was trying to sneak out the house very quietly since the wood floor would creak and wake my mom up. I was more scared of my mom waking up to do anything else, but this guy...
Stg!!😂😂😂😂
seeing a recording of someone right before their death is a different type of eerie and horrifying heartbreak…
there’s even footage of him sexually assaulting her corpse. he is pure EVIL
It's a trophy
FR I have videos that look similar I took of my grandma just so I'd always have it and one makes me happy, the other fills me with dread and horror
Made me sick
yeah i could not watch that part had to skip thru it shit was hard to watch
He’s crying for ruining his life-not for the innocent life he took.
Yeah, and? What's your point? Like woah a murdered has no concern for the life they took!!!! Like are you surprised?
Oh for sure
@@Just_be_yourself109getting triggered about that comment is wiiiilld. What a softie.hahhahahaha
People say some version of the same comment in every true crime documentary about murder, then a bunch of people give it a thumbs up. In fact, most people are going to care about their own self-preservation, knowing they're likely to serve a large portion of their life or entire life in prison. It isn't a unique trait for psychopaths. That's just how humans are. It's like saying, "Water is wet."
@@Just_be_yourself109cry more
They caught a serial killer on his first kill.
That’s 100% right
To let this monster out after 25 years is unimaginable .
Maybe not his first.
@@Celisar1insane how small that punishment is. I'm sure his race had NOTHING to do with it
@@teejayman215you ever heard about the serial killer called The Grim Sleeper?
@@teejayman215you’re seriously bringing race into it? 👀 dude….. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Imagine how disturbing it must feel for his entire family! To know the disgusting and disturbing details of the crime! I’d be so scared and sickened by the crimes, I’d find it hard to want any communication with him (even if he was family)! What a nightmare for everyone involved!
Yeah seriously. I'm glad I've never had to deal with a family member this bad, the worst one is my cousin who got busted cooking up some Heisenberg if you know what I mean 😆
I'm glad my family doesn't have any maniacs like this lol
25 years for burglary, kidnapping, aggravated murder and raping a corpse is fucking unbelievable
@@Guywithcoolusername1625And what if they do?!
He got life with the possibility of parole after 25 years because he was a minor
@@Guywithcoolusername1625infinitely... the fact you don't says everything about your lack of morals.
He will be 42 by then. That isn't right.
I highly doubt he will survive prison.
This crime has scared me. I have a lil old lady that lives alone in my neighborhood. I am always on her about making sure her doors are locked. I have a zero tolerance for people who hurt children, old people and animals.
stay in touch with them, it’s seems the one through line with all these crimes is the only way they get solved is the friendly neighbor who always checks up on them.
My neighbor has dementia and his family have to lock him in at night which is dangerous but otherwise he would be wandering. He opened the window and was shouting that he was starving ..he wasn't he is well fed three times a day and he is out during the day sitting on his bench talking to neighbours. Unfortunately his family live a block over so we all keep an eye out for him. We all deserve a safe world where elderly people and kids can wander around and not be murdered though.
Same.
@@serendipidus8482 it sounds like it's time for him to go into care.
I have zero tolerance for people that have any tolerance for these kinds of people
They stopped a serial killer.
Exactly 💯
Unfortunately not forever if he gets out.
I agree. Hopefully they can study him and figure out the warning signs when another one starts.
For only 26 years.
They just slowed him down.
The idea that he can ever be released is terrifying. He's going to kill again. It's not even a question.
Agreed. He displayed sociopathic tendencies. He needs to be away from society.
With proper rehabilitation I recon he could lead a more or less trouble free peaceful life in his later decades
@@biblereadingmum1239 yea you take care of him
@@biblereadingmum1239um nah.
He had sex with a dead body using bread jelly as lubricant. You're weird af. @@biblereadingmum1239
You kill someone and then realize you have to be home before your mom wakes up and you don't want to get in trouble. Madness.
Given he was breaking cerfew and wouldn't have wanted to risk waking his parents up do you think he jumped in the shower to frantically wash the jam off his dong or did he just go straight to bed?
He lied about his timeline anyway. He wad there for like two hours .
@@shroomologist This is the kind of thought a shroomologist would think of:) Have a nice day.
Really? This is typical behaviour of someone trying to cover their tracks. Makes 100% sense preventing his mom finding out he had snuck out was his priority, as that was the first person likely to tie him to the murder.
He wasn't worried about getting in trouble with his mom. He was worried about maintaining his alibi that he was at home and asleep during the murder.
This guy should NEVER be released.
I totally get your aggression but 25 years is a very long time. It could change him completely, only time can tell.
@@Nameless-y9s People dont change.
@@Sirbushyballz There's a lot to know dear, a lot. Keep gaining experience and become something benevolent.
@@Nameless-y9sjust hope he doesn’t go after your grandmother next, since you’re willing to defend him. He lied through his teeth, recorded it all, admitted he doesn’t feel bad. He should rot in prison
@@zombiesrcute I don't defend him. I am saying that 25 years is a long time, psychologically, it's enough time for a person to change. Stop watching TV series and learn a little why imprisonments are for LIMITED YEARS. wanna know? For the exact same reason.
Right now I don't defend him no, but in future yes.
"It's their fault for leaving it unlocked" That is sociopath logic
Timestamp?
@@OliveMule 10:22
U sociopath wtf seek help@@aliceDarts
Its also so creepy statement when Margaret usually left her door unlocked
That pissed me off. Because excuse me???
Son- "Theyve probabaly never been proud of me once, Ive never done anything fkn good!" mom-" Stop cussing." 😂
It's refreshing to see level headed parents. The dad's first thought was of the poor old lady and her terrifying last moments. In many of these videos the parents refuse to believe their kid did anything wrong
The mother is weird to me. I understand those who say she's in shock but th fact that she answered for her child at the begining (both my parents would have pressure me in such a situation), her no reaction when detectives tells her the truth (that she seems to have anticipated from the begining) the fact that when her husband is tearing up describing what his son did she has no f ing reaction, this is so weird to me.
Maybe she is a very strong woman holding it up for her family, but that's something I don't understand
(Sry for mystakes, english is not my mother tongue)
@Benalla_1er yea I agree with you. As soon as the dude started crying afte the old lady was mentioned she was like oh fuck
@@Benalla_1erI don’t think you can judge on a person’s first reaction. A feeling of unreality can overcome people at times like this. Call it shock or whatever, but they’re disconnected from what’s happening while their brains are trying to process.
@@Benalla_1eri have th same thought. I just felt that, it was a weird emotion to me.
@@Benalla_1eryou must be blind and deaf because she had pretty verbal reactions bud, fucking internet weirdos always trying to be armchair psychologists
That kid should never get out of prison.
He should never work at a Jelly factory
This is the type will say he didn't have legal representation and get the confession thrown out 🙄
Society is not really that inclined any more to pay for these kind of life-sentences.
Yeah… but since he was a minor he can get out. Hopefully… these issues get addressed while he’s incarcerated or he’ll be a real nightmare
@@MimiB1974 That's correct in terms of the law. But he deserves life without the possibility of parole.
Imagine living to the age of 98 and seeing everything and experiencing all that she did. Then to have your life snuffed out by some psychotic teenager. What an absolute travesty.
as sad as that is, it perfectly reflects the age that we currently live.
@@Grahernandez Yes ma'am, so true.
she looked it
@sheenal4868 Boy was all kinds of not right. Especially the thing with the grape Jelly. So sad.
It's a sick sad world
this is one of the ones that makes me wonder how law enforcement can hear these confessions and not lose their shit. Takes a lot of guts to be a good officers of the law. I've got a ton of respect for the detectives involved in this case. This shit made me cry.
Because they have to in order to get a confession and get justice for the victim.
When I was 17 I was thinking about homework, parties and summer jobs. This kid's brain is incomprehensible.
I was playing with play doh at that time 😂
@@MJ98.at 17???
I was playing Metal Gear Solid and Grand Theft Auto Da an Andres on the PlayStation 2.
I was in collage studying horticulture and biking 20 miles a day. Cant understand this lads deal.
@@Auto-respond-bot I'm 27 and STILL playing with Play-Doh. WITH my wife, shits a blast from start to finish.
Female detective is absolute perfection in her job. And also male officer who sit on the ground to make killer more comfortable to speak truth is genius move. These cops are great!
I was impressed too. I've watched so many of these interrogations where the investigators are combative or adversarial, and it seems far less effective than this calm approach.
He mimics every position the killer takes during the interview. He’s literally mirroring him. I have to wonder the psychology behind that.
@@katydid8229 When you mirror someone’s stance and position, that person tends to like you more. Because that way both of your body languages match and it means both of you appear to feel the same way, which makes the other person more comfortable.
There are times as a parent when your child stops being your child and instead becomes a complete stranger. This is one of those times.
Age 15 for me. I mourned the loss of the child I knew and the one I no longer recognize.
And you may find yourself mourning this loss of your child you no longer recognize for decades. An unimaginable hurt.
@@maccthelab5165 Too many are quick to blame the parents but each child/person has free will to choose whom they will be. History and the Bible has recorded numerous excellent parents who had evil children.
@@beaglerescue5281 People blame the parents because many times it very much is their fault. Even if they refuse to see it.
@@CryosisOfficial And sometimes it isn’t.
Dad seemed shocked while mom seemed like she knew it was coming
Dad felt sorry for the victim. Mom calmly says what's going to happen to my son?
@ yeah like she knew he did it and would go to jail. She was in the interrogation room and I think she felt something was off about the situation
@@Linda-n9xI was going to make a comment about that… I don’t know her and I don’t want to judge her, nonetheless… There seems to be a pattern with moms that would defend their sons, or think above their wellbeing first, no matter what they did, or not giving enough importance to the situations, in cold blooded killers.
It’s weird to find a mom saying “he deserves it for what he did”. That caught my attention in several serial killers’ cases were the mom didn’t inflict pain but was heavily supporting her son.
I think she knew for days. Since the very first questioning. She probably spends way more time with him than the dad and saw the writing on the wall, all the while ignoring every bit of it to protect her son.
@@Fairymoncada I said the same thing. A mother always knows. I believe she saw past indications from his notebook and never spoke about it.
These criminals are never sorry for their victims, only for themselves and for finally getting caught.
Theyre mentally very messed up. Id say they are born without functioning amygdalas that part of the brain for empathy. He was in councelling told his councellors this stuff and they should have svanned his brain to see if he was a psychopath and put him in a secure mental hospital to try to treat him and keep the world safe. Somone without empathy is a threat to everyone. If he had covid he would be locked up to save the granny but hes got a messed uo brain and nobody even does anything about it?
100%
He seems pretty tortured. It’s sad. Clearly his parents were trying to protect him from himself. Too bad for all of us that they were unsuccessful. As a parent I don’t know what I’d do with a child who just makes such poor decisions and knows it.
@sw6118 he ne didn't care until he got caught that's why he started crying the second time he got pulled in
@@crazychase98 I can’t speak as to what he cared about, other than to say that he clearly loved the adrenaline rush more. He clearly knew that he was stuck on what he calls the darkness. He knows that he is different from other people and he’s struggling not to be what he appears to be.
The father’s reaction to finding out is a perfect example of what real emotion looks like in response to this type of situation. Even though the person who committed the horrible crime was his son, the first person he showed concern for was the woman.
I bet he concidered a really late abortion
I thought the killer was the victim's grandson. Somebody corrected me.
Yes, compared to his mum. I know she was in shock but she seemed more bothered that her son would go to prison for murder rather than brutally taking a person’s life like her husband’s reaction was.
@@yousladyskwisgar8977That was not her grandchild. They just lived in the same neighborhood.
Ok….AND?
No matter wtf he did or does THATS. HER. BABY. PERIOD.
You OBVIOUSLY dont even have kids to speak about how her emotions should or shouldn’t be shown…..
IDGAF what my daughter does ill NEVER disown her and i can guarantee id NEVVVER EVVER leave her side NO MATTER WHAAT …
Have children before u think u can pass judgment on HER emotions
100000% kid is a complete psychopath. He would have turned into a serial killer had he not been caught. Absolute lunatic.
Yes he is a psychopath
A True Evil
Yes he is ! , which is why he is like he is
He could possibly have many years left to progress to that !
Good job repeating the top comment, smh. 🤦♂️
This is horrifying! My grandmother is 101 and still lives alone down the street for me. I take care of her and she is very religious about locking her doors but still you never know. It’s sad too because this just shows you can be good parents and still have a child go completely off the psychological rails! You deserved a quiet peaceful passing😔Rest in love and light Margaret🙏🏼🕊
I keep reminding my 86-yr old mother to lock doors before going to bed. She said but our neighborhood is safe. I said there is no safe neighborhood. Thrill killers are out there looking for opportunities.
Murderers look for peaceful neighborhoods specifically sometimes
Even I keep my house locked at all times eventhough I live in the middle of nowhere surrounded by forests and an old graveyard on my backyard
My dad as well he been robbed a few times bc the neighbor knows he don’t lock doors his excuse we never had to lock doors which I remember the doors always being open when my grandparents was alive
@@hideriplays2626 I would especially lock our doors if we lived somewhere remote. At least in a city or town, the law of plenty [of houses] dilutes the chance that they may randomly pick your house, but in the middle of nowhere yours is the only one.
It’s crazy to me that people don’t keep their doors locked at all times. I’ve seen posts from others on Nextdoor about how some random person just walked into their home. No thanks. My doors stay locked regardless of the time of day.
That is one messed up kid. Knowing your child was a sociopath like this kid would be beyond heartbreaking. He’s a serial killer who just hadn’t made it to victim 2.
Oh then following your logic I am a murderer who just haven't made it to victim 1. And so you are... 🥴
@@Kiev-in-3-days
You are following nobody's logic except your own......
@@Kiev-in-3-days he ALREADY murdered someone and you DIDN'T, what logic is that
@@Wintersesr I think the logic is pretty obvious. In both cases we are accounting murders that never happened. That makes him a serial killer and that makes the rest of us murderers.
Anyway I understand what you meant. I agree he would have kill again.
@@davidrele I am not the one accounting people with murders they never commited... I just apply what she did to him to the rest of us. Oh suddenly it is not right? 😅 It's always the same hateful comments after those videos. What about learning decency from that great empathetic female cop in the video?
This kid should never be released... ever.
Seems rough. He can find Jesus in prison and will be forgiven
@@bobby9192thats ridiculous so your saying anyone could go to jail for killing everyone and if they found religion they could be released back into the wild
@@brandonabel5662 thats literally what happens in parole hearings everyday
@bobby9192 it sure as hell shouldn't be happening.
@@bobby9192 8 major things parole boards consider and finding Jesus or religion is not one of them.
I’m 17 right now and I would do anything to have my grandma back I can’t even believe that there’s kids my age killing older people :(
I know Lil bro. But this is the world. You can help remember that...
For someone who “can’t express his emotions” he certainly cried a friggin river for himself!
It’s a little off topic but we really need to stop with the over use of the words “like” and “literally”. Half the time I lose concentration on what someone is saying because I can’t stop hearing those words. Even as he’s telling his story and crying during admitting, I couldn’t listen.
@@yourlifeisagreatstory oh wow! Like I could literally understand that! 🤡
@@yourlifeisagreatstory teens say "like" and "litterally" alot. Plus he was out on the spot so the words are kind of lost. Either way, this is terrible, rest in peace Margaret Douglas...😞
I thought that also! ("Can't express his emotions" is shrink talk -- wonder where he picked that up!) He probably had some counseling, as some of his sentences indicate.
@@yourlifeisagreatstory those are just filler words like "um" and "uh". They have been used as long as people have communicated. Some people use them more than others, and more often depending on the situation (being very stressed or confused). It's not going to ever stop, you might as well accept that.
why is he like “im so done with getting convicted of felonies” like ok then maybe don’t commit felonies???
I know right 😭 nobody tell him to do that!
He’s also a victim did everyone just skip the fact he said he was raped as a kid …then turns to grinder to meet old men ..do shit for adrenaline..this is sad for him too he didn’t get the help he needed and this is the result of that. This is sad both ways RIP to that poor old lady
@@Tr0ublezz i know that, he was a very troubled kid for sure. i’m sad that he couldn’t/didn’t get help, i agree if he got help this wouldn’t have happened, but its happened and we can’t change anything
@@Tr0ublezz I was thinking the same thing, his mother should have put him in a mental institution or with a psychiatrist under medication, not just counseling. Also bravo for the physician that diagnosed him adhd when he's a psychopath
@@dovewing agreed !
Could you imagine being strong enough to live by yourself in a two-story house at 98 years old? That's amazing in and of itself
Right
She was such a strong person I just know it.
She should have moved to Assisted Living where she's secure.
@@bigradwolf5001or where she gets abused.
@@TBGFP That's exception not the norm.
The fact that this lady knew he killed someone and was strong enough and brave enough to be in the room solo with him AND console him.
Real
Woman
It's always interesting to me when a parent thinks their child's friend is the one causing problems. Nope, it's YOUR kid that the other kid should stay away from.
Exactly
Maybe. ...or maybe it IS the other kid. ...or maybe it's BOTH kids. As an undiagnosed and over-drugged autistic kid, I had a lot of "behavioral issues" and got in a fair amount of big trouble as a preteen and early teenager. Sometimes I was the bad influence on my friend. Sometimes my friends were a bad influence on me. Sometimes my friends and I were getting in trouble together because we were all "bad". (which was the case most of the time)
Not all parents are in denial just because this one particular mom is. ...and when it does happen, it's really not that surprising. Accepting that your own child is a monster has to be one of the hardest psychological mountains to climb. Love and denial are *VERY* powerful emotions - especially when they're mixed with a traumatic event.
Lmao yea she didn’t want him hanging around braden, meanwhile the entire time her son was writing all these different scenarios in his journal of him murdering braden 😭😭😭
@@marquisperkins4578 the boomers failed us should have been tougher and harder
I was a nanny for a bit and the "bad" child is often the honest one and the "good" child is often a borderline sociopathic manipulator.
"I had all my porch lights on at night" hits different, knowing the killer is her son 🥲
I must have missed that. She knew he did all this? When that statement was made?
@@octogirl2046 she didn't know. she had the killer living in her home all along thinking the danger came from outside. that's why it hits differently when she found out.
@@dude8273
Thank you, little confused there:)
It's a "the call is coming from inside the house" type situation. So scary.
Bet ya his family would have been next as he got more bold
Man, imagine being worried about “stranger danger” when you’ve got this little psycho living right in your house…
Life is crazy.
Forget “stranger danger” time to get on that “familial fear”!
You say that as if she knew it was her kid. However the father's reaction was way more visceral.
@@Magnetar_Haunt I more so meant it’s crazy how sometimes you never really know people, even your own children. It’s terrifying. I wasn’t saying she was aware of what he was doing, that’s why it’s so crazy to me. Because you never know..
@@jennnna5150, I dont know how that person thought your comment sounded as if she knew it was her son, I knew what you meant and didnt get that feeling from the comment. Weird.
You attract, what you fear the most😂
That piece of dirt being released in 20 odd years makes an absolute mockery of our justice system.
I’m sorry for saying this, but I hope there’s some inmates who find out what he did and administer him the Justice he deserves
I can’t imagine being a parent and finding out your child did something like that.
I know. The heartbreak would be unbearable. I feel for his parents, you think you do everything right and then this happens... My God.
@@ape2183I mean he had a huge rap sheet already. She seemed so dismissive like “oh it’s just another one”. She’s such a massive failure she’s as creepy as he is.
I bet if parents had to serve the sentences along side their spawn they would pay better attention.
@@samkostos4520 No.
Exactly! That’s when I teared up. Watching his father absorb the fact that his son is…what he is.
He sobbed like a baby because he "ruined his life" and not the fact he tortured and murdered an innocent elderly woman. I will never understand how anyone can believe a criminal's crocodile tears. The only person a murderer cries for is himself.
@@bridgetonowhere I was listening while I was grocery shopping, and people must have been looking ay me funny bc my facial expressions were all over the place. I may have even been responding out loud 😂
My reaction at the very end when he basically asked “how long am I gonna be in jail?” ???? Omg the gasp that came out of my mouth 😱😠😤
He's a sociopath. They have no empathy or feelings for other people . They can cry because they got caught. Everything is all about them.
Yup
1st thing I said when he said that ish
Like I knew it
He only cares because he was caught
@@charlesovercash8862everyone says sociopath and psychopath like these people are choosing to be that. These people’s brains don’t work like ours bro.
Speaking for myself, I’m like, “Yeah, get it out of your system so they can take your punk ass to prison. You don’t want the homies to see you crying…but stay tuned. They are gonna LOVE you when they find out what you did. And they will find out…”
This was the right detective to interrogate him. A soft spoken mom vibe. She did a great job. Editing bc I just saw where the guy detective got in the floor with him. That was also a good move. A calm “I understand” vibe was the right way to approach him
Someone's done their homework
Levelling is was what we call it
Mimicking his posture to show sympathy. Which comforted the suspect. Which may have been a factor in his admission and details.
@Who_Dey420 it's even further than that, imo. He put himself at a lower, more vulnerable position than the suspect
Cus someone would never open himself if being cussed out and treathened. Also, creatures like him would like top noch experts to cooperate
Margaret was a fucking badass, lived shit long and fought all the way to the end.
If I was being pressed by cops over something bad I did and my own mother was by my side talking about it it and to me the way this mans mother was, I'd have broken immediately. The idea that he would instead attempt to make her fall for crocodile tears is heartbreaking. To betray the love of your own mother to defend yourself for this level of depravity is a born evil.
God knows how many lives these detectives saved arresting him now.
Totally agree
He's a kid, where i live he'd get out in like 5-10 years
No...your fairy tale sky daddy really doesn't know any of that. Ridiculous cultist horseshit
I live in wadsworth, I hope he doesn't get released
@@katielytle8862you should hope he gets released and his address is published 🤷
These officers were some of the best Ive ever seen. The woman was so caring and non judgmental and the man got down on the floor to the kids level. They really did a great job of getting the perpetrator comfortable.
That male detective did an amazing job mirroring Gavin. He helped in easing the anxiety of the suspect. He knew the female detective was doing an excellent job with the interrogation and played his part as support to the best of his abilities. His transition from each posture was smooth and timed well so as not to seem like he was forcing it or imitating the suspect in a mocking manner.
I came here to say the same thing. Great tag team between the two officers.
The fact that I thought: the guy didn't do anything until the end.
He wasnt there to support her, he was there to support him and get him speaking
Knew this kid growing up as I worked in a local store. This kid was always a good kid, respectful, he comes from a really good family, and parents. To learn he was the killer was shocking to me and the whole community. So many years later and I’m still shocked. Rip Margaret
People saying the mother had barely a reaction - that's shock for you. Sometimes when you go into shock, you look emotionless.
True. May not be the same situation but when my grandma died, my body didn't feel much for the first week or two before i actually brgan feeling sad. The bodz just doesn't know what to do
Yea that could be it. The sin always seemed to worry more about what his mom would say or think so I wonder about her responses
I have a hard time showing emotions so i understand the moms first reaction. I shut down bc i dnt know how to react.
Absolutely agree that mother was in terrible shock. Everyone must have been
I 100% agree. 15:09
16:59
Most people with ADHD and depression do not murder people.
As someone with ADHD and severe depression I can confirm this. We aren’t psychopaths. We barely have the energy to do basic tasks half the time
@@Otterpoptheotterand we certainly wouldn’t be organized or focused enough to get away with it😭
It's there for the mental health background, I have adhd and severe depression. Everyone knows that adhd and depression doesnt mean that we kill people, but sadly it does increase the chances
speak for yourself
ADHD has nothing to do with this, that's ridiculous
My grandma is 95 and this makes me sick to even think about someone doing something like this to her
A word of advice from somebody who had a similar aged grandmother. Cherish the fact she's still with you. Call her tonight. It may not seem like much in the moment, but it'll mean the world to her, and to you down the line.
My great gramma is 94, and I can't imagine someone doing something so vile to her. If I was Gavon's sister or a female relative, would've needed a drink after finding out my own flesh and blood could do something so vile.
I loved my Grandma she helped raised me ❤ she passed away when I was in my early 20s
I just lost my Granny a few weeks ago. She had been slowly dying the previous month. I meant to call her several times, but I usually work nights so I’m asleep during the day. I could’ve made time but that time just flew by and by the time I finally picked up the phone she was already gone mentally and unable to talk. My sister passed away at 17yrs old and my stepdad passed away a few years ago. I always meant to call but my excuse was “things are busy.” DO NOT MAKR MY MISTAKE. Call your loved ones, hug them, say “I love you”… because you can never get that time back. That five minutes to take a break is far better than the time you’ll spend regretting not taking it.
@@yourlifeisagreatstory This happened to me, too. My grandmother was always very sickly. I came back home after a long trip as an exchange student in a different country, and meant to call her a billion times but never did. Not long after I arrived we got a call that she had a stroke and she passed away shortly after. I wish I had called her.
When they described what he did to that poor woman, it brought tears ro my eyes. These people are horrendous.
His dad's reaction cut me, 98 years old living out her days and his son did this. That would be soul destroying
They will never be the same. My deepest condolences to all.
Thats just it…. The father’s emotion. Have you seen his mother? She had ZERO emotion. That woman scares me.
@@Brando-wc8fz she's in shock.
@Brando-wc8fz she's in shock, she would have so many thoughts going on in her head for that poor old lady that family and knowing that her own child did it.
@Brando-wc8fz she was shocked and probably still hopping he didn't do it. Hope always dies last. Then she had 2 more kids to think of, she didn't want them to know yet. You can see when she called older son to go out so they don't have trauma from police going through the house. I mean even after vid I do not know what I would odbeside being numb from shock. Poor family from both sides and old woman....
Only a jerk or a criminal would say his robbery of a vehicle is the vehicle owner's fault for not locking the car. That is a disturbing messed up way of thinking.
It's more than that. It's not just a "jerk" or "criminal." Anybody with that mentality is an actual sociopath
If Margaret had locked her house , she wudnt be dead rn smh , how come PPL dont lock their houses
@@DGen7 but he still killed her did he not a killer is a killer a robber is a robber ab a liar a liar
He blamed the lady he murdered for not locking her door. He has the darkness in him because he invited it in. He remains in the darkness because he enjoys doing evil perverse things.
i knew there was something wrong with him when he first said that. That's how a leftist thinks with their "peaceful protests" and anyone who defends them.
"If the door would've been locked I would've just walked away" and that is the exact reasons why I keep my doors locked even during the daylight hours.
"if +would have been" ... wtf you smokin' bro ??
Oh, Star Wars video game playing doinks are usually the least educated.
I keep my doors locked during the day too
people call me crazy for locking doors. if someone wants to break in they can make some noise and alert me so I can be ready.
@@travv88step 1 to be ready is locking your doors. So you ain’t even gotta worry, you already ready. 🤜🏻🤛
I’m only 17 mins in but this mother is great. Pushing for honesty not just defending her kid.
Oof I thought she was awful. I blame her entirely for how her rotten son turned out. She really sh1t the bed on this one.
The fact he was more worried about ruining his life than murdering a helpless elderly woman is so upsetting to me
That's the "feeling side" of the thing. But, it's not only upsetting. It is the epitomy of the behavior pattern going with such crimes.
Because he is a psychopathic narc
@@znmm2588 It is scary to know there people like that🙁
@@afishcalledwandaHe is a psychopath. He only care about himself and he will do it again if he is given the chance.
me me me me....
That poor, poor woman. Imagine surviving nearly a century. Surviving the Great Depression, WWII, The Cold War....only to have your life snuffed out in the worst way. God bless her.
God Bless Her
Only to not lock your doors!
god clearly didn’t bless her, now did he.
*Sings the Great Circle of Life*
@kanwal6310 such a wee shame. Ik he said he wouldn't have went into the hpise if it wasn't locked. But I doubt that coming from him
I can't imagine how scared that poor woman must have been in her final moments of her life. She deserved to pass peacefully at the end of an impressively long life; instead she was robbed by a psychopath. I'm very close with my grandma and this situation just made me truly sad to watch
If your grandparents live alone or they don't live in a safe area then everyone should at least get them a ring doorbell or minimal security system. It's really not that expensive and it's worth doing especially if they leave their doors unlocked or something like that. Such a minimal deterant might have been enough to keep Gavon from breaking in her home that night if he knew there were cameras but we will sadly never know.
I would be outraged to watch this
@@アドルフヒトラ I'm lucky that she lives with 2 of my uncles and has several cops on her block :)
"I cant do anything fkn right"
"quit cussing"
lmao I giggled at that
As a mother of 3 sons I cannot imagine finding out your own child is capable of something so horrendous. Makes me sick to my stomach
Yo if her child is capable of it so is your sons.
@@weebsmcgee7012 Not necessarily at all, yo.
Yo 😆
milf
Hopefully you're not a single mother. Boys will be boys is reality, single moms think Adderall and other drugs are the answer, no, the answer is boys AREN'T girls. Stop trying to make them into something they're not.
His father though.. his reaction was hard to watch. It’s crazy to see the contrast between him and his son who only expressed grief for himself for “ruining his life” meanwhile his father is crying for his son, and the innocent 98 year old women that his child murdered and violated and probably blaming himself.
I agree with you, I even thought his dad will collapse when he got the news
And, the Mom? Emotionless.
The mother is lost. Her heart is broken, she doesn't know how to process and grieve this situation. It's very hard to navigate, so dont sit there and judge herbehind a screen based on how you THINK she should react. You have no ideawhat shes going through.@bernicezappala7958
@@bernicezappala7958 Yeah, that's what I took away the most. I wonder if some of what Gavin might be genetic from his mom's side or perhaps there were things that happened between him and his mom growing up too.
I don't understand her reaction either but she did say that she couldn't cry. That I understand. When told my daughter died unexpectedly I became frozen. I couldn't cry. It took a few hours before I let out a scream and cried my heart out. Maybe this happened to her although I have a feeling that the notion her son could be involved probably passed through her mind. My condolences to Margaret's family and friends.
To live almost a century only for a monster to take you out is heartbreaking.
And then for parents to realize what their child has done .. man. ☹
True - just heartbreaking from every angle, and for everyone 😢
really feel for the parents.
He's not a child..lll
@@blancabulgrin5560 He's still very much a child.
The age of adults needs to be raised bc certain parts of the brain aren't fully developed until mid 20s.
The part of the brain behind the forehead, called the prefrontal cortex, is one of the last parts to mature.
This area is responsible for skills like planning, prioritizing, and making good decisions; allows us to process the pros and cons of a decision before it is made.
My aunt was in her nineties when two men broke into her home and robbed her and tied her up and who knows what else. She died two weeks later.
The dad’s reaction made me cry. You NEVER think your own child who you help and tickled and loved would be capable of such a horrible act
Massive respect to this individuals parents for helping the police and not living in denial just because it was their son, bet that wasn’t easy but they are good people
So it's not always the kids upbringing or parents fault.
@@yeesh9215sometimes a parent does everything they can and the kid is just rotten. Some people are just born without empathy or compassion.
@@veelalynneyeah, this is a sad case of a severely mentally impaired kid that, even if it wasn't the poor woman, was about to kill any other person given the chance.
They probably did feel responsible. No parent wants to believe that their child could do something like this all on their own. They probably wondered, ateast for a time, where they screwed up amd what they did to put their son on that path
I definitely feel for the victim and the boys parents. He definitely had some sort of mental illness.
i love the use of the phrase 'what happens in the dark comes out in the light'. That's a really great way of putting it.
Luke 12:2 ”For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, nor hidden that will not be known. Therefore whatever you have spoken in the dark will be heard in the light, and what you have spoken in the ear in inner rooms will be proclaimed on the housetops.” That phrase comes from the good book! Jesus is KING! Pray to the Lord my brothers and sisters, ask Christ for forgiveness and to fill your heart with the holy spirit and the Lord will guide you out of strife, believe in the Lord Jesus, Amen.
Too bad moms clearly a piece of work herself. She barely reacts when they tell her what her son has done...
@@jenniferbaggett5775not to mention she told him not to cuss but didnt gaf that he was speaking shit about himself
@@jenniferbaggett5775
Yes, I noticed that. The father is crying and she is stone cold. I would’ve been vomiting everywhere. I’d venture to say she is part of the kids problem.
It's from the Bible! 😊
Luke 12:2-4 (KJV) For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.
Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.
And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
It's always heartbreaking when seemingly well adjusted and reasonable parents have a child like this, it's just very difficult to understand.
Scariest part of raising kids tbh. You go through 9 months of pregnancy & 18 years of doing your best raising them, just to release a monster out into the world
I mean, the mother seemed really cold when they told them their son was the killer. I can see where he got the coldness from, though she seems well adjusted and not 'dark' like her son.
@@joeri7130 It can just be shock, different people react differently, in 2 hours from this footage she might be very distraught.
Goes to show you can’t teach humanity. A human should be born with it already. If they need it to be taught to them, they aren’t human in the first place.
I know this sounds bizarre, but this is one of the many reasons I chose to avoid biological motherhood.
What this guy did is absolutely disgusting, and there's no excuse for it. But I can't help but feel some kind of empathy for someone who doesn't feel the way the rest of us would feel about this kind of thing. It's just a fucking tragedy... Like it's pathetic to watch him sit there crying and squirming because he knows he got caught and he fucked up his life. It's also interesting that he seemed to genuinely find it hard to admit to doing the wrong thing in front of his mum, and didn't seem to want to disappoint them even though he has issues with caring about people. I don't know, it's so bizarre and grotesque.
It’s called narcissism. He doesn’t care about people but he cares how they perceive him. They spend their whole lives orchestrating a personality that attracts people to care and not see them for who they are. So no, he doesn’t care even a little. He’s upset peoples perception of him is negative forever and he got caught for his crimes.
"I' ve ruined MY life" after ruining the life of the victim, the victim's family and their own family.
Why is this so surprising to anyone? His journal entries and admissions clearly show that he lacks empathy and compassion for others. Self-preservation, such as being upset and worried about ruining his own life, isn’t uncommon, even in people who are sociopaths, psychopaths (which are two different things, despite being used interchangeably), narcissists, or have personality disorders. They don’t feel emotions for others but will feel sorry for themselves and do anything to save themselves. They also care about how they’re perceived by others. For example, Gavin mentions his family being embarrassed and humiliated, which is why he doesn’t want to admit to the acts of sexual assault.
I don’t understand why people are upset or stunned that he doesn't know about his victim when he clearly states in his journals that he doesn’t care about his victims but doesn’t want to be in prison forever.
Instead of being insulted at how he doesn’t feel bad he committed bad and asking why it happened, ask how it happened. This is much more complex than simply being "born that way," which we know isn't true in this case. It's also harder for children with these tendencies, thoughts, and disorders to hide them. He didn’t show any signs of sociopathic behavior before puberty, and there’s a reason it started after puberty. It wasn't because he was born that way; it was due to his psyche being warped by external influences. And I could get into them but unless it’s complex and complicated so unless people are actually interested in the pathology of perpetrators such as Gavin and not just pulling the “oh no, he’s so evil and etc and I’m so disturbed and blah blah blah” but never want to actually explore how cases like this happened.
@@bradenharris8718 Your explanation is really informative... How can people get educated about this? What sources of information can we use? I'm extremely interested in a more detailed explanation
He's a psychopath or sociopath. He feels no remorse, acknowledges this, wishes he did, but cannot feel empathy for anyone.
@@iventi6977 theres' tons of articles and books online that are a search away. Start with looking up ODD, conduct disorder, and ASPD. Psychology is fascinating, and google is your best friend
Why are you shocked??? What are you people thinking?
Yes, he is sad he ruined his life. His life is what is important for him. He doesn't care about others.
the parents' reactions were so heartbreaking. their son had counselling, and he was grounded. they tried, but to have brought up a murderer... they must be feeling really heartbroken and guilty
seriously. his dads reaction had me bursting out in tears. i mean, the story of margaret’s death was out for at least a week at that point so everyone would be wondering who did this and when they’re caught. for your son to be the answer …. i could not imagine.
as heartbreaking as it is, i'm also glad that they were just as disgusted as they were distraught. i've seen too many families of killers who are double down on the killer being a "good (troubled) kid" and not called them what they were, monsters.
@@holifae great point!! i was even about to call my mom and ask what she would do lol!
They knew what type of man he is. Just like Jeffrey Dahmer's parents knew. No empathy whatsoever do EyE have for them, especially his mama.
@@Elemental_Buttahfly_II They tried multiple times to help him. They just seem like normal people who tried but their son's brain was broken. It literally isn't their fault and it doesn't remotely sound like they knew their son was capable of murder and necrophilia...
So he was concerned that killing himself would break his mother's heart, but not murdering someone?!
That's all the lie. He doesn't care about his mom or anyone.
No logic. No common-sense.
I am disgusted and horrified beyond measure. 😢
The parents, I just cannot imagine. 💔
I hope they stay strong and be there for each-other.
Complete sociopathic-psychopath! Glad he got caught so young!
Keep your doors and windows locked 🔒!
What a horrific way to leave this world. That poor woman 😭!
She's lost her child either way
@@dsmusicbirdhe has common sense he just has no conscience and feels no empathy
@@KmvS86he dont have commom sense, someone with it dont comitê crimes, simple
I don’t know why but it’s always bothered me when detectives ask “so what do you think should happen to the person who did this?”.
He will not be released in 25. He admitted it himself that he can't control himself. But hopefully lots of people show up for Margaret & speak on her behalf at his parole hearing. He doesn't deserve to ever breathe fresh air again in his lifetime.
I'm glad that you have so much faith in our criminal justice system.
@@AndyDrake-FOOKYT Thanks to open borders we have horrors like this walking around everywhere. Please be careful. Other countries, to save money, have literally emptied their prisons and sent them over to the USA and Europe.
it shouldn't even be an option. states need to stop passing this type of bullshit legislation, especially in regards to murder.
@@AndyDrake-FOOKYT
He won’t be released after 25 years. Is has absolutely nothing to do with faith in the system but because he was not ONLY just sentenced “to life with a possibility of parole after 25”, he was conhvicted of two other charges, one of which he was sentenced to 60 years for, he has to serve the eternity of that sentence plus the 40 years on his conviction. He was not given the possibility of parole in either one of his other sentences.
So, even if he was the best, most well behaved, angel of an inmate, hne’s still not making that 25 year parole date. And so that leaves us with him being 18 when sentenced so, 78 years old when he finally finishes his mandatory sentence. So sure, maybe he’ll win parole then. Although that 16 year old will be long gone and in his place, you have frail, unhealthy geriatrics living in a high stress environment which is where the average age of long term inmates is usually 63-65 years.
I wouldn’t worry myself. He’s not getting out anytime soon, probably never. The possibility of parole is JUST that only a possibility and just helps keep long term inmates serving life in line since you have to have a near spotless record to get it. Everything goes together.
Gavon said, I’m not lying anymore while lying the whole time. 🤦♂️
He probably meant to say "Im not not-lying anymore"
@@super_best_clips_xoxo That would have been worse
yea thats a liars way of trying to just get someone to listen to their lies more or change it to sound more believable lmao
An actual psychopath.
As he’s in tears: ‘It doesn’t change the fact I’ve ruined MY life’ - the fact he ONLY seems upset about the consequences and not what he actually did to this poor elderly woman just shows he has 0 remorse for it. Another narcissist. The pain in that dad’s voice is so heartbreaking
I think this guy is a bit worse than just a narcissist
Hes a complete Sociopath.
Truly feel for his family ! 😢💔
@@qoph1988asbo bloody lootly!
@@qoph1988he is a psychopath.
This all started when he was SA as a kid. Messed him up for life and, sadly, that's the story of a whole lot more people than most realize.
If he wasn’t lying about that too
@@julieburton7253 Really don't think he was. It's common for people who do something like this to have been SA'd as a child. It would also be a weirdly specific thing to lie about since he didn't try to use it as some kind of scapegoat. He sort of just... mentioned it
I feel what You said may be right to some degree. If it is true, what He claimed, about being SA, as a kid? Possibly could have messed Him up mentally? But there are many boys/girls that are victims of SA, and He is definitely unique to what He turned out to be. No good emotions, only dark. Definitely mentally ill psychopath.
Most men in prison have experienced SA as children. There is a common link here.
@@lupoopul4039 It also sounded like it was recent- after he turned 14. Or that it happened again.
I'm a 67 year old man & I've watched a few of these cases now, but this one is the first one that made me cry.
It brings home in no uncertain terms how many lives something like this destroys. I weep for the 98 year old, the mother and the rest of the murderers family, but as I have 2 sons I can imagine myself in that fathers place & what thoughts & feelings must be going through his head.
The detective sitting on the floor was a really good insight on his part. Making Gavon feel much more comfortable so he would talk
Yeah, I also thought that was a smart move. Have Gavin feel like they were on the same level.
i was surprised ewu didnt pick up on that and point it out like they usually do. i notice they stopped doing the educational bits on interrogation techniques which im sad about :/
@@iimdone when did they stop
@@rulingstone123 maybe they don't have the same people that would do it as before, considering they hire teams with specific backgrounds to make notes on what they review
Yeah that's a well-trained detective
I pray that he never gets out of prison. I almost vomited when he talked about what he did.
When I heard he will be eligible for release in 2043 I almost died. I hope they deny it
You mean “that thing”. It is not a person.
@@Andrea-mn8vh very true excuse me
That's nothing, wait until you next decide to eat jam!
I'm thinking I don't want to hear it while I'm only half way through
“I’ve ruined my life” as he’s writhing around on the floor crying. Not concerned that he TOOK a defenceless, old, lady’s life. Astounding.
"It doesn't change the fact that I've ruined my life"
...the only person that matters in his equation is him.
Sure, buddy. I bet you care about all the peope of the world. Such a big heartie you are, LOL. Xd clown comment
Thats aspd. Same disorder trump has. In courtroom statements they can only feel sorry for themselves. Incapable of the empathy that brings remorse
Ruined his life???is that suppose to be a joke??he took a ladys life....and he...raped her...wth???
Bet he has antisocial personality disorder
Like every narcissist ever. He's too young to have learned how to disguise that fact.
"have you ever used an app called grindr" caught me off guard LOL
Same, I was like, "Wow, that's a change of direction." 😂
Na Na Na Na Bo Bo Technique is funny as well 😂
Was it the mom who asked?
@@shammerhead666 no, the detective did
@@shammerhead666 no, the mom ask ,,who? me?´´
It's so strange seeing a self-aware psychopath. It's like he *wants* to feel guilt, *knows* that it's not right that he doesn't...just...how alienating.
He may have also been Sociopath.
so many words to describe dude feels remorse 😂
I know right? He exhibited so many sociopathic behaviors, by definition. Like when he was concerned about his dad finding out what he did. That reminds me of a story about Clyde Barrows, of Bonnie and Clyde fame - he was a classic sociopath, and when he was caught, his big worry was that his dad would find out what he did. Anyway, this kid's inability to feel any sympathy, his constant whining about his situation, his manipulation of the conversation and people's feelings. Crying and rolling on the floor - what a showman. What a monster.
I totally agree with you! He was very aware of his demons. I really feel like if these troubled persons could reach an organization that wouldn't judge and just help them, these horrible acts could be avoided. Once I've watched a documentary about how such structures exist for people sexually attracted to children and at first I thought it was weird but it made me understand how some of those persons know it's wrong and don't want to give in their impulses. Some are a lost cause of course.. but I'm convinced that schools especially should popularize psychological support in general and stop focusing on gender identity lessons... our youth need to work on their mental health!
@@manana6646parents are the ones responsible for their children’s mental health. The issue is, with some kids, being in therapy isn’t enough because the parents put on a show.
His mother displayed some pretty gross tendencies. This kid was talking about wanting to be a better person and his mom focus wasn’t his distress but the fact that he was cussing. I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason he was so damaged after his sexual abuse is because of his mother and possibly his father. I wouldn’t be surprised if she didn’t know about his sexual abuse as a child or if she did she swept it under the rug.
He should NEVER be released from prison.
Think about it: It was 1938 when the victim was the age of her killer.
Yeah. She was watching Errol Flynn and gone with the wind in the theaters. What a shame!
😢
😢😢😢😢😢😢im so saddened for this lady....
Ww2 started the next year....
@@Rubylily2509 Imagine her family.
There's no way someone like him can be rehabilitated into society.
He will be out in 19 years...
@@Paulco67hopefully not - eligible for release doesn’t mean automatically released. In most states it’s around 20-30% get parole on the first try. I’d say given the horrific nature of his crime that % is much lower
What bothers me the most about these scenes of criminals crying when left alone, it's because they are crying that they got caught and they will have to suffer the consequences of their actions, not because they have any remorse. Pure evil.
I agree! I've had 2 cousins murdered. One was my best friend.
This is actually one of the worst things I’ve ever sat through