Decky is the best! It seems clear to me that he is well respected by almost everyone, and when it comes to who should be alpha... there's just no contest. He's such a sweetheart too!
Agreed but that's the problem we choose differently than they do they want somebody with Brute Force but it was nice to watch Deckie run over to the juice machine and act like it was a podium even if it was only for a few seconds it spoke so many words
I am a huge fan of chimp groups and studied them for over 10 years. Chimp politics are complicated and what we are seeing here is the final changing of the old guard, where a young male has grown up to take over and challenged the elders. This is a perfectly natural process in the wild, with the exception of the Alpha male being replaced every 2 to 3 years by a younger male. What we see here is a credit to the keepers and the zoo in providing as much natural behaviour and environment as they can (unlike other Japanese zoo's). You can see Bonbon fear grinning after the attack as this is a major ordeal and when the adrenaline goes, its all a big shock to him. You can also see his high-ranking family backing him to solidify their position in the troop. I love Decky and sadly don't know his background, despite watching this superb channel (thank you Caramel for all the hard work) for a while and never understood why Decky didn’t become Alpha a long time ago. He is respected, breaks up the female fights and very impressive physically compared to the late Kenta. What was also interesting is Gin's response to the fight. He didn’t try to side with Bonbon to earn the position of Beta male (next in line to take alpha) and had his mouth closed firmly (not showing fear) the whole time.
Most of this group does not see Bonbon as alpha. Fubuki and the adolescents males (Gin, Max) get more respect than he does. Even Cherry, Bonbon' mother, stands up to him. Bonbon is a all braun and no brain mamma's boy. He also can't mate the females, due to a genital deformity, also hurting his alpha position. Once Gin matures and fills out he will become alpha. He is better equipped mentally to handle the alpha position. As you said, he didn't get worked up or fearful in this situation. He knows when to step in to break up fights though, which Bonbon doesn't. As for Decky, he was an abused chimp. Kept to entertain people. He was not raised in a chimp society like Bonbon was. Despite never being alpha, Decky is very much respected by everyone, which is why he has the support of the other males and most of the females. The only chimps who supported Bonbon was his mother and aunt... which doesn't say much for Bonbon.
@@InvuNOT2 agree 100% ..... BB is never ever gonna stand upto his mama and aunt therefore can NEVER assume that role as Alpha ...you right about Gin ...1-2 yrs he will be as big as BB {they both take after their daddy Lucky} and he is already so socially accepted by the females ...as for Decky in my opinion he is the Alpha now... Most of his vocals were not cries of being hurt they were calls of being mad, as you see him doing the calls he is looking straight at BB cherry and berry telling them you got me but I am so very upset at you
Great video Carmel. The staff has a good read on this situation based on Carmel's foreword. Tough to see the lovely Decky get injured, especially when he is so good to all the other chimps. He be a fine, I'm sure. This situation really depends on what the staff.thinks is best for all the chimps. Needing an Alpha male yet the young boys all could learn from Decky. Yet Decky does not make with the girls. If they want to put Bon Bon with Decky , I think it should be without his trouble making mom and Berry. Nor any other females in estrus. If they just had the boys out there together, they would get along fine. The females naturally complicate things for the young bucks. Cherry and Berry complicate things for Bon Bon as Cherry often causes trouble when Bon Bon is with her. I just hope they protect Decky first and foremost as he is the best leader and example for all the young boys. Plus he doesn't have the backing and is too old to be taking on a huge Bon Bon, Cherry and Berry at one time. I know he does have some backing but not like BB does.
Hail to the new king!!! Decky flexed his fur and won. He solidified his number one and number two right away.For now. He has the battle wounds on his mouth and right foot. He is one tough S.O.B.
It's amazing how decky knows where to go for help he knows he was hurt and he had to go inside to get medical attention they are so intelligent hope Deckys okay
Hurt my heart to see poor Decky covered in blood and limping like that. And sweet Fubuki doing all he could to console him. All I know is i would not have wanted to be Cherry, Berry or BonBon. While they had it coming for sure, seeing that entire angry troop coming at you would not be pleasant. Even big old BonBon was scared to death! My sweet Decky! Feel better!
Looks like the entire troop is pretty pissed off at Cherry and Bonbon and Berry. Mikan was fierce, at one point she went after Bonbon and Cherry together, and she seems really concerned for Decky, as does Miru, who got right in there for her beloved Decky. It hurt my heart to hear Decky crying out towards the end. I hope he will be ok physically and psychologically. Lots of love for Decky❤❤❤❤
@@campusman1957 It was Bonbon, and his mother Cherry, and they attacked Decky. Decky and Bonbon have been separated ever since, and Cherry was shipped to another Zoo along with Chiko. Deckys lip was bit and one of his toes was bitten off.
@@campusman1957 They have 2 troops. Usually it's Bonbon by himself and sometimes with Gin neither can have babies and they keep Fubuki, and Max away from any of the Females in estrus. Decky and Gin are both fixed. They keep one group inside, and put one outside. They also keep Max and Bonbon separate. They don't want them fighting. Max is the main breeder because of where he comes from, and his bloodline. Fubuki just got old enough to breed, so now he's separated from the females in estrus.
The life of a chimp has to be the most horrific experience of all species. It’s like your living in hell and stuck in a horror movie at the same time. I imagine they live in a constant state of fear, and that’s just being around their friends and family. They probably have hart attacks and strokes going around enemy chimps.
I can’t think of anything more terrifying than being in the middle of one of these squabbles. The pure rage and violence displayed by chimps is absolutely frightening!
It was Bonbon who hurt Decky. Cherry was still in frame when Decky started screaming. Plus, later in the video you can see Bonbon has blood in his mouth. Decky has more political power than Bonbon, but Bonbon has the strength. Tough situation.
Decky is pissed. He seems bewildered that Cherry and Berry would turn hostile on him. Deckys thinking, " damn, I thought me and the girls were cool.". However Bon Bon , jealous as he is of Decky incites a confrontation and the girls unaware of the true reason backs Bon Bon instinctively. Upon escalation of the situation and it becomes apparent that Bon Bon is at fault , Decky sees that the troupe is on his side and the girls (Cherry and Berry) are now mad at Bon Bon. He gains confidence and slowly begins to make his way around enclosure accepting allegiance from most of his group. Bon Bon sees this and goes up to Decky tries to make things right with a show of respect, however Decky is not convinced.
William Lilly I absolutely agree. When bonbon comes out he is seeking support and acting like he’s afraid and then he runs over to attack Decky after making sure his mother was with him.
First off....I hope all my Tama Zoo Chimp Fan friends had a great Christmas. Great comments all. Emotions are certainly running high. As a viewer of Caramel's videos for 5 years, like many of you, there is a VERY special place in my heart for Decky. I agree with King that the Tama staff must try different combinations of housing and yard appearance. However, this really makes me upset. I am absolutely no expert, but a number of us predicted this was going to happen when Decky and BB were combined again. It is not like they simply applied a bandaid to Decky. They likely had to put him under general anesthesia to treat him....very dangerous, and potentially life-threatening, to the chimp. And, he also lost a toe, apparently. I also agree with Debra that both Cherry, and the recently more aggressive Berry, are instigating alot of fights lately. Based on Bonbon's behavior, I agree it was those two who attacked Decky. BB immediately sought reconciliation with, and submission to, Decky. The Tama staff should know that Decky, though incredibly brave and courageous, is overly trusting and does NOT know how to fight to defend himself because of his 24 years of human raising. This was completely avoidable. I do not simply accept it as part of some random event. You all are spot on in that it is clear that the far majority of the troupe member's loyalty is with Decky. I am very proud of Chiko, Peko-san and Mikan for their reactions. But I am incredibly proud of Gin, Miru and Fubuki for their protection and comfort of Decky. I kept waiting for Miru to touch Decky's nose! If you watch Gin throughout the video, he tried to remain between Decky and Bonbon. In fact, at one point, he convincingly barked at BB as he approached Decky. BB stopped in his tracks. As Valerie stated, Gin (my favorite, and like me an orphan) is completely devoted to Decky. Guys....I am actually very upset about this. Should never have happened. Intentionally creating a situation in a zoo envirionment where a chimp is highly likely to be seriously injured is not acceptable. It is simply cruel.
Joe Landers I don’t think the zoo thought this would happen, I think their intentions were to teach Bonbon, well to do that you got to keep Berry and his mom Cherry away. Cherry has become super aggressive since Peach went into mourning, asserting herself in every situation. I think the death of her father did something to her mentally after he had been grooming her son to be in her eyes king, and she doesn’t want to let that go. I’m sorry this has upset you so, but after watching so many troops I felt this would happen with any of the young boys, but didn’t expect a mother to be the instigator. I hope you had a Merry Christmas and are looking forward to a Happy New Year.
@@grandmap3389 is this the video that shows why tama decided to split up decky and bonbon? I noticed bonbons mouth covered in blood just like decky - but he was overcome with what he’d just done and tried to apologise or say its ok no more ive made my point to decky. He came up to offer his hand a few times. I watched gin too… standing between, and hanging back and sitting with decky. I wondered why he wasn’t more involved in the fights but then i noticed he had a large fat lip on his upper left lip along where his now missing canine tooth was… so he clearly got a bash at some point. Chiko was having none of it at all - she pushed through cherry, berry to get at bonbon a few times, hope jun is a good boy or hes in trouble :). Fascinating video, horrible to see decky hurt, bonbon clearly establishing himself as the big boss through the use of the attack, backed up by his mum n aunt. I watched another video earlier when bonbon had attacked Kenta and given him a swollen face, and cuts to his ears, hands and lips/nose from dec2016. Kenta had much much more support from the females, even cherry was immediately up to him saying sorry and submitting. The whole troop was around kenta with bonbon sitting off by himself afraid. 2 weeks later kenta came out and chased bonbon around and up the frame to remind him he was still the big boss.
@@seankelly69 yes this was the split from Decky. I know it hurt Decky mentally to cause he played with all the boys. I can't watch that video since, I don't even remember if I finished it. According to the zoo something happened when they were leaving the inside quarters. No one know what set it off.
Poor decky ☹️ in a situation like this you can not blame the chimps for acting out the way they do nor can you blame the staff for trying to bring the family together just was a failed introduction and it’s just the way they live. Keeping bonbon and decky separated for so long of course is going to cause a dispute and you can see bon reaching out to apologize to him. both males got so use to being leaders that it’s obvious a disagreement started the whole scuffle. I personally think they should keep them separated because of the fact that decky is an older male and he is in no age for that.
I agree they kept Decky and Kenta separated and things were fine in the troop.... I dont really see a problem with BB I see the problem with Cherry and Berry when they are alone with Decky they still partake in fights, my opinion Peach has given up alpha female and cherry wants it bad...she is a very sneaky chimp ...They need to get BB separated from Cherry and Berry and try this again
Debra Calabrese Cherry has changed since her father died, maybe Cherry and Chiko were respected as Kentas, now they fill threatened. Or maybe Cherry fills her son should be alpha over everyone but her and Berry. She is fighting with everyone. Really we don’t know the real dynamics of this whole group because they have always been in two groups. So the big issue may be in their sleeping quarters not the yard and since they are so far away from zoo keepers they hash it out outside. Funny that Peko turned on Cherry and Bonbon when they have spent years watching a bond growing in their children. Lots of questions I have that only a zoo keeper can answer because I can’t ask a Chimp 😜
@@grandmap3389 and i am trying to do just that...trying to reach out to the zoo director having a bit of a language problem but seeming to be ok ... Trying to set up something hoping it works out
Wonderful Tama friends...as I’ve mentioned I’m new to this channel and primate family. Now that Kenta is gone, who is the Alpha? Is it BonBon? I’m so sorry I’m just learning how all this works and just wasn’t sure?
It is kind of up in the air who is the alpha now, although in reality Decky was doing the work of the alpha in breaking up fights and keeping things relatively calm. Bonbon likes to display but doesn't get in there and break up fights. Then you have Max and Gin displaying a lot, but still a bit too young and inexperienced to go after the alpha spot. Feel free to correct me anyone if you see it differently!!
I see Decky as alpha when he was with the troop and Bonbon was being groomed to be alpha but Kenta died to soon to teach him everything. Kenta and Decky were separated because both saw themselves as alpha, and I think Bonbon and Decky should stay separate also. Bonbon can learn on his own to be alpha or the Puff Brothers can take it from him eventually. But I would never put Bonbon in with Decky. When Gin and Max fill out we will see more clashes with Bonbon, but they have built in respect for Decky and are still scared of Bonbons size. We will see.
I’ve been watching a few of these videos now, and I have serious questions marks over the handling of this troop, if this was happening at a zoo over here Bonbon would have been removed and placed with another group. Plus I’m wondering if it’s also got something to do with the food there eating, if it’s to rich in sugar it can make them over aggressive
Same thing happened with Kenta and Bonbon, and Kenta showed he was alpha. We all knew this would happen and I always knew Decky would not submit to Bonbon. Decky walked around hooting “ Come on young buck, I’m here to stay!” Decky will not submit to any chimp being alpha. If he does it will be instinct that he is dying ( like Kenta ) or he will fight to the death. It’s their way, Decky May have got hurt, but he won the war. It’s funny that Decky was raised by humans, but still had the instinct on how to be alpha, I believe you are born an alpha. Bonbon may be one one day when he is permanently separated by his mom. I felt bad for both Bonbon and Decky. But again, this is their way.
Totally agree, I am sure it was not fault of BB or Decky, something happened when they were leaving quaters who knows maybe Decky went in front of Cherry... she is very stubborn and sneaky chimp...Best thing to happen separate the cherry berry bb and try the paring again who knows maybe BB can learn from Decky on how to be a good Alpha
@@grandmap3389 that someone may have been BB by looks when you see BB cherry and fubuki cuddling and screaming he does have blood in his mouth too....right before he went over to decky the upteenth time to give his hand to decky's mouth... a sign that he wants forgiveness and didn't mean what happened..... I still believe Cherry may have started it and BB was coming to her rescue things escalated quick cause when BB 1st ran out seems he was scared out his mind of what he just did ...
Debra Calabrese yes I see the blood now. And he did look scared, like a kid about to be spanked, they are just going to have to keep Bonbon away from his mother, she is way too aggressive especially when she knows her son will back her up. She’s gone nut since Kenta death and Peach is in mourning. If you look back at videos yrs ago, Kenta and Peach kept her in line.
@@grandmap3389 I just went and looked back at the video of Peach hiding from Kenta ..that was so funny ...if you look back at the 1st few videos of after kenta had passed like july 2018 videos ...BB was looking for him, it takes that long for Kenta's scent to leave, and It took him a good few weeks til you didnt see him do that, BB now only does that when Peach is not in his group for the day outside.... As for peach she just looks defeated to me like she really has no care for no one... She is tending to chill with Nana and Peko a lot more ..... speaking of could ya imagine if nana was here for this ruckus
Debra Calabrese oh god, Nana would have went after Cherry and Bonbon! I just feel so sorry for all of them even Cherry, they are animals and there is going to be fighting, I think it just shook us up because it was sweet Decky!
This hurts my Heart. Poor decky hes such a sweet heart. I love all animals but im starting to really dislike bonbon. He attacks everyone.. He disfigured kenta too. Very upsetting! I hope my poor decky will be ok i cant imagine what he did to diserve that..nothing! I hope i dont read where he has passed because im going to be very upset.
I noticed that the only one that didn't come up to Decky was Berry. They definitely need to separate BB and his mom. This is probably a good thing to happen ( even though poor Decky got hurt) bcuz now the troop know who's on who's side? Did something happen to Miru? She looks like she holding one of her arm like it's hurt. I'm glad to hear that Decky is ok.😢😢😢
I know I left a comment already but did anyone else catch who was with Decky most of the time ....Gin and Miru were the 2 chimps that constantly stayed with Decky... I am so proud of Gin he knows BB is not an Alpha and as for Miru she has always had a crush on Decky..we can clearly see Cherry probably did the biting cause Decky and BB where making up as this whole scene unfolded... Cherry and Berry ,Decky wanted nothing to do with
@@valeriesexton2584 Yes Mikan and Fubuki did stay around him a lot but if you watch Gin and Miru were Decky's right and left hand crew ...Miru has always had a crush on Decky thinking maybe has to do with when her mama Sazae was around she fostered Gin and actually died from complications when giving birth to Decky's baby ....
Yes, Gin and Miru were definitely Decky's biggest supporters. I never thought of Miru's crush on Decky having to do with her Mom carrying Decky's baby before she died, that's a good point. And of course Gin has loved Decky since he was little and is very devoted to him.
@@valeriesexton2584 sazae was a to herself chimp but always seemed to come out the shell when with Decky...I think both Gin and Miru saw that and since mama is gone they tend to stick with Decky... I think all 4 of them now the 3 of them make a cute lil family ....
I feel bad for decky its bad enough one of the chimps got hurt so bad that one of them had a paralyzed paw they need to be separated for their own safety
I have clearly seen now that we can not blame staff or the chimps but you can also see who the Alpha Male is when Decky and BB are together ...yes BB has strength and no alpha smarts Decky is Alpha smart and old with not enough strength...this troop has picked it's Alpha ...you can clearly see it to be Decky...Kenta and Decky could never go out together cause I believe kenta would of lost his Alpha to Decky.... Time will tell I really think the staff should treat this as a case of learning and forget about keeping them together they know how to handle it...If they ever want BB to take that title they will have to separate cherry berry and BB forever...I believe we have a Alpha Decky and Gin is in the wings when Decky gets too old.....
Debra Calabrese well said, I have believed Decky was alpha all along when in a yard. Kenta in his yard and Decky in his yard. It’s time to get Bonbon off the pap!
@@grandmap3389 I am concerned for BB you can clearly see him trying to make up with Decky even when the ruckus 1st broke out... BB really needs to be out and away from Berry and Cherry for him to have any chance at either being a leader or even being socially accepted in the troop
Why can't the staff be blamed ? Some dumb ass placed 2 potential Alpha male chimps within the same enclosure after being separated since July. Perhaps the staff tested the water with a barrier in place, who knows. But obviously BonBon with family support, to protect his status, was a very poor decision placing Decky in that scenario.
@@joelanders2038 Yes avoidable in which the staff should of left Berry and Cherry out of the equation ... Thinking my opinion only but staff is trying to get BB to learn from Decky but for that to happen Cherry and Berry have to go and be separated from BB .... BB may have injuried Decky but I am thinking he is looking pretty sorry about it... you can see just by how many times he went back to Decky to give his hand for Decky to Bite, Cherry nor Berry submitted to Decky but BB did even within the 1st couple of seconds of the ruckus on the platform .....
He is living and is fine according to the info giving in this clip... Seems Decky and Kei are now housed together and that is a great thing ...maybe few months we will see Kei integrated into the troop
@@debracalabrese5737 thank u so much for reminding me to read the info. I got so caught up in the video i forgot. I noticed his foot was damaged. Such a shame for a gentle leader who loves to walk on his toes.
Decky is the man and to see him cry like that is almost unbearable. I’m also a little disappointed in gin, my fav tama chimp, for not being a bit more outraged. Yet this is a purely human projection on wild animal behaviors and interactions. Who really knows what’s going on between these chimps, or the importance of these political moves. Violence is a major part of their societies. That being said, It’s extremely hard to watch.
This is the first video I ever seen of this group and it was a long time ago, I couldn’t watch past 10 minutes. When I finally came across them again just recently I remembered Decky from standing on top of the metal box with his mouth bleeding. This is so upsetting to watch. I’m sorry but there not in the wild and the zoo keepers should intervene. What do they wait for one of then to almost die. In the wild there are people who watch/ follow groups of primates for years and will sometimes intervene if there is a cut they will dart it with antibiotics. This really really really upsets me.. For crying out loud there not in the wild. So IF ANYONE COMMENTS THAT THIS IS HOW THEY WOULD ACT IN THE WILD, OR IN THE WILD NO ONE WOULD HELP SAVE YOUR TIME TYPING BECAUSE THATS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. ALL PRIMATES ARE ENDANGERED SO PEOPLE FOLLOWING CERTAIN GROUPS. AGAIN WILL INTERVENE IF THE ANIMAL CAN BE SAVED. THERE SHOULD BE A WAY TO MAKE A LOUD NOISE TO DISTRACT THE CHIMPS AWAY FROM HIM. LOOK AT HIS MOUTH AND HIS TOE WAS BIT OFF. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE AT A ZOO, FOR THAT MATTER AT ANY ZOO. AGAIN THEY ARE NOT IN THE WILD SO PLEASE SAVE THE TIME TYPING A DUMB ASS REPLY.
Decky is the best! It seems clear to me that he is well respected by almost everyone, and when it comes to who should be alpha... there's just no contest. He's such a sweetheart too!
Spot on, Scotty. Decky is so courageous!
...but rapes Fubuki, when Fubuki is alone outside and without any shield. Not what I expect from an Alpha!
Agreed but that's the problem we choose differently than they do they want somebody with Brute Force but it was nice to watch Deckie run over to the juice machine and act like it was a podium even if it was only for a few seconds it spoke so many words
@@winterweibyou do realize you’re talking about chimps right??? The same disgusting animals who murder and cannibalize their own kind?
I am a huge fan of chimp groups and studied them for over 10 years. Chimp politics are complicated and what we are seeing here is the final changing of the old guard, where a young male has grown up to take over and challenged the elders. This is a perfectly natural process in the wild, with the exception of the Alpha male being replaced every 2 to 3 years by a younger male. What we see here is a credit to the keepers and the zoo in providing as much natural behaviour and environment as they can (unlike other Japanese zoo's). You can see Bonbon fear grinning after the attack as this is a major ordeal and when the adrenaline goes, its all a big shock to him. You can also see his high-ranking family backing him to solidify their position in the troop. I love Decky and sadly don't know his background, despite watching this superb channel (thank you Caramel for all the hard work) for a while and never understood why Decky didn’t become Alpha a long time ago. He is respected, breaks up the female fights and very impressive physically compared to the late Kenta. What was also interesting is Gin's response to the fight. He didn’t try to side with Bonbon to earn the position of Beta male (next in line to take alpha) and had his mouth closed firmly (not showing fear) the whole time.
Most of this group does not see Bonbon as alpha. Fubuki and the adolescents males (Gin, Max) get more respect than he does. Even Cherry, Bonbon' mother, stands up to him. Bonbon is a all braun and no brain mamma's boy. He also can't mate the females, due to a genital deformity, also hurting his alpha position. Once Gin matures and fills out he will become alpha. He is better equipped mentally to handle the alpha position. As you said, he didn't get worked up or fearful in this situation. He knows when to step in to break up fights though, which Bonbon doesn't. As for Decky, he was an abused chimp. Kept to entertain people. He was not raised in a chimp society like Bonbon was. Despite never being alpha, Decky is very much respected by everyone, which is why he has the support of the other males and most of the females. The only chimps who supported Bonbon was his mother and aunt... which doesn't say much for Bonbon.
@@InvuNOT2 agree 100% ..... BB is never ever gonna stand upto his mama and aunt therefore can NEVER assume that role as Alpha ...you right about Gin ...1-2 yrs he will be as big as BB {they both take after their daddy Lucky} and he is already so socially accepted by the females ...as for Decky in my opinion he is the Alpha now... Most of his vocals were not cries of being hurt they were calls of being mad, as you see him doing the calls he is looking straight at BB cherry and berry telling them you got me but I am so very upset at you
@@InvuNOT2 thanks for the excellent rundown of the situation. Very informative.
nobody backed him are you looking at a different video?
@@InvuNOT2 he wasnt abused like battered he was in a circus for a while he grew up as a pet for some one
Great video Carmel. The staff has a good read on this situation based on Carmel's foreword. Tough to see the lovely Decky get injured, especially when he is so good to all the other chimps. He be a fine, I'm sure. This situation really depends on what the staff.thinks is best for all the chimps. Needing an Alpha male yet the young boys all could learn from Decky. Yet Decky does not make with the girls. If they want to put Bon Bon with Decky , I think it should be without his trouble making mom and Berry. Nor any other females in estrus. If they just had the boys out there together, they would get along fine. The females naturally complicate things for the young bucks. Cherry and Berry complicate things for Bon Bon as Cherry often causes trouble when Bon Bon is with her. I just hope they protect Decky first and foremost as he is the best leader and example for all the young boys. Plus he doesn't have the backing and is too old to be taking on a huge Bon Bon, Cherry and Berry at one time. I know he does have some backing but not like BB does.
Hail to the new king!!! Decky flexed his fur and won. He solidified his number one and number two right away.For now. He has the battle wounds on his mouth and right foot. He is one tough S.O.B.
It's amazing how decky knows where to go for help he knows he was hurt and he had to go inside to get medical attention they are so intelligent hope Deckys okay
Hurt my heart to see poor Decky covered in blood and limping like that. And sweet Fubuki doing all he could to console him. All I know is i would not have wanted to be Cherry, Berry or BonBon. While they had it coming for sure, seeing that entire angry troop coming at you would not be pleasant. Even big old BonBon was scared to death! My sweet Decky! Feel better!
Uhh what video were you watching. You got quite a few things wrong. But it's just stupid chimps, so who cares.
@@ryanbeni8156 actually she didn't get anything wrong so keep your comments to yourself
You can tell who's on Deckys Side somebody got a cheap shot on him but his whole group is with him they know who the real king is
I loved seeing Fubuki showing such true concern for Decky.
oh...... poor, poor decky. oh.... love him so much!
Thanks for the video and especially the description to let us know what happened and condition of Decky.
Looks like the entire troop is pretty pissed off at Cherry and Bonbon and Berry. Mikan was fierce, at one point she went after Bonbon and Cherry together, and she seems really concerned for Decky, as does Miru, who got right in there for her beloved Decky. It hurt my heart to hear Decky crying out towards the end. I hope he will be ok physically and psychologically. Lots of love for Decky❤❤❤❤
Looks Like he got his left upper lip bit off.
@@troycote4503 PECO SAN WAS THE ONE THEY WHERE After
@@campusman1957 It was Bonbon, and his mother Cherry, and they attacked Decky. Decky and Bonbon have been separated ever since, and Cherry was shipped to another Zoo along with Chiko. Deckys lip was bit and one of his toes was bitten off.
@@troycote4503 how do they seperate them in the same zoo
@@campusman1957 They have 2 troops. Usually it's Bonbon by himself and sometimes with Gin neither can have babies and they keep Fubuki, and Max away from any of the Females in estrus. Decky and Gin are both fixed. They keep one group inside, and put one outside. They also keep Max and Bonbon separate. They don't want them fighting. Max is the main breeder because of where he comes from, and his bloodline. Fubuki just got old enough to breed, so now he's separated from the females in estrus.
The life of a chimp has to be the most horrific experience of all species. It’s like your living in hell and stuck in a horror movie at the same time. I imagine they live in a constant state of fear, and that’s just being around their friends and family. They probably have hart attacks and strokes going around enemy chimps.
I love that miru is always there for decky
Even after a year later it still kills me to hear Decky cry.
Chiko is an incredible chimp! She took on all of them for Decky!
I can’t think of anything more terrifying than being in the middle of one of these squabbles. The pure rage and violence displayed by chimps is absolutely frightening!
It was Bonbon who hurt Decky. Cherry was still in frame when Decky started screaming. Plus, later in the video you can see Bonbon has blood in his mouth. Decky has more political power than Bonbon, but Bonbon has the strength. Tough situation.
Decky is pissed. He seems bewildered that Cherry and Berry would turn hostile on him. Deckys thinking, " damn, I thought me and the girls were cool.". However Bon Bon , jealous as he is of Decky incites a confrontation and the girls unaware of the true reason backs Bon Bon instinctively. Upon escalation of the situation and it becomes apparent that Bon Bon is at fault , Decky sees that the troupe is on his side and the girls (Cherry and Berry) are now mad at Bon Bon. He gains confidence and slowly begins to make his way around enclosure accepting allegiance from most of his group. Bon Bon sees this and goes up to Decky tries to make things right with a show of respect, however Decky is not convinced.
William Lilly I absolutely agree. When bonbon comes out he is seeking support and acting like he’s afraid and then he runs over to attack Decky after making sure his mother was with him.
First off....I hope all my Tama Zoo Chimp Fan friends had a great Christmas. Great comments all. Emotions are certainly running high. As a viewer of Caramel's videos for 5 years, like many of you, there is a VERY special place in my heart for Decky.
I agree with King that the Tama staff must try different combinations of housing and yard appearance. However, this really makes me upset. I am absolutely no expert, but a number of us predicted this was going to happen when Decky and BB were combined again. It is not like they simply applied a bandaid to Decky. They likely had to put him under general anesthesia to treat him....very dangerous, and potentially life-threatening, to the chimp. And, he also lost a toe, apparently.
I also agree with Debra that both Cherry, and the recently more aggressive Berry, are instigating alot of fights lately. Based on Bonbon's behavior, I agree it was those two who attacked Decky. BB immediately sought reconciliation with, and submission to, Decky.
The Tama staff should know that Decky, though incredibly brave and courageous, is overly trusting and does NOT know how to fight to defend himself because of his 24 years of human raising. This was completely avoidable. I do not simply accept it as part of some random event.
You all are spot on in that it is clear that the far majority of the troupe member's loyalty is with Decky.
I am very proud of Chiko, Peko-san and Mikan for their reactions. But I am incredibly proud of Gin, Miru and Fubuki for their protection and comfort of Decky. I kept waiting for Miru to touch Decky's nose!
If you watch Gin throughout the video, he tried to remain between Decky and Bonbon. In fact, at one point, he convincingly barked at BB as he approached Decky. BB stopped in his tracks. As Valerie stated, Gin (my favorite, and like me an orphan) is completely devoted to Decky.
Guys....I am actually very upset about this. Should never have happened. Intentionally creating a situation in a zoo envirionment where a chimp is highly likely to be seriously injured is not acceptable. It is simply cruel.
Joe Landers I don’t think the zoo thought this would happen, I think their intentions were to teach Bonbon, well to do that you got to keep Berry and his mom Cherry away. Cherry has become super aggressive since Peach went into mourning, asserting herself in every situation. I think the death of her father did something to her mentally after he had been grooming her son to be in her eyes king, and she doesn’t want to let that go. I’m sorry this has upset you so, but after watching so many troops I felt this would happen with any of the young boys, but didn’t expect a mother to be the instigator. I hope you had a Merry Christmas and are looking forward to a Happy New Year.
@@grandmap3389 is this the video that shows why tama decided to split up decky and bonbon?
I noticed bonbons mouth covered in blood just like decky - but he was overcome with what he’d just done and tried to apologise or say its ok no more ive made my point to decky. He came up to offer his hand a few times.
I watched gin too… standing between, and hanging back and sitting with decky. I wondered why he wasn’t more involved in the fights but then i noticed he had a large fat lip on his upper left lip along where his now missing canine tooth was… so he clearly got a bash at some point.
Chiko was having none of it at all - she pushed through cherry, berry to get at bonbon a few times, hope jun is a good boy or hes in trouble :).
Fascinating video, horrible to see decky hurt, bonbon clearly establishing himself as the big boss through the use of the attack, backed up by his mum n aunt.
I watched another video earlier when bonbon had attacked Kenta and given him a swollen face, and cuts to his ears, hands and lips/nose from dec2016.
Kenta had much much more support from the females, even cherry was immediately up to him saying sorry and submitting. The whole troop was around kenta with bonbon sitting off by himself afraid.
2 weeks later kenta came out and chased bonbon around and up the frame to remind him he was still the big boss.
@@seankelly69 yes this was the split from Decky. I know it hurt Decky mentally to cause he played with all the boys. I can't watch that video since, I don't even remember if I finished it. According to the zoo something happened when they were leaving the inside quarters. No one know what set it off.
At 9:53 PekoSan went after Berry and BB of course they ran, I mean Peko is twice or more their age. 💓💓💓 Me see PekoSan🤣🤣🤣
Poor decky ☹️ in a situation like this you can not blame the chimps for acting out the way they do nor can you blame the staff for trying to bring the family together just was a failed introduction and it’s just the way they live. Keeping bonbon and decky separated for so long of course is going to cause a dispute and you can see bon reaching out to apologize to him. both males got so use to being leaders that it’s obvious a disagreement started the whole scuffle. I personally think they should keep them separated because of the fact that decky is an older male and he is in no age for that.
I agree they kept Decky and Kenta separated and things were fine in the troop.... I dont really see a problem with BB I see the problem with Cherry and Berry when they are alone with Decky they still partake in fights, my opinion Peach has given up alpha female and cherry wants it bad...she is a very sneaky chimp ...They need to get BB separated from Cherry and Berry and try this again
Debra Calabrese Cherry has changed since her father died, maybe Cherry and Chiko were respected as Kentas, now they fill threatened. Or maybe Cherry fills her son should be alpha over everyone but her and Berry. She is fighting with everyone. Really we don’t know the real dynamics of this whole group because they have always been in two groups. So the big issue may be in their sleeping quarters not the yard and since they are so far away from zoo keepers they hash it out outside. Funny that Peko turned on Cherry and Bonbon when they have spent years watching a bond growing in their children. Lots of questions I have that only a zoo keeper can answer because I can’t ask a Chimp 😜
@@grandmap3389 and i am trying to do just that...trying to reach out to the zoo director having a bit of a language problem but seeming to be ok ... Trying to set up something hoping it works out
Wonderful Tama friends...as I’ve mentioned I’m new to this channel and primate family. Now that Kenta is gone, who is the Alpha? Is it BonBon? I’m so sorry I’m just learning how all this works and just wasn’t sure?
It is kind of up in the air who is the alpha now, although in reality Decky was doing the work of the alpha in breaking up fights and keeping things relatively calm. Bonbon likes to display but doesn't get in there and break up fights. Then you have Max and Gin displaying a lot, but still a bit too young and inexperienced to go after the alpha spot. Feel free to correct me anyone if you see it differently!!
I see Decky as alpha when he was with the troop and Bonbon was being groomed to be alpha but Kenta died to soon to teach him everything. Kenta and Decky were separated because both saw themselves as alpha, and I think Bonbon and Decky should stay separate also. Bonbon can learn on his own to be alpha or the Puff Brothers can take it from him eventually. But I would never put Bonbon in with Decky. When Gin and Max fill out we will see more clashes with Bonbon, but they have built in respect for Decky and are still scared of Bonbons size. We will see.
Grandma P I totally agree with you.
Thank you so much for the help!!
In the beginning of the video Miru is holding her arm. Was it broken when at was her injury? Does anyone know?
It was December. It's frosty outside. Mil just doesn't like touching frozen ground.
I’ve been watching a few of these videos now, and I have serious questions marks over the handling of this troop, if this was happening at a zoo over here Bonbon would have been removed and placed with another group. Plus I’m wondering if it’s also got something to do with the food there eating, if it’s to rich in sugar it can make them over aggressive
Bonbon is so weak because he becomes afraid and runs when everyone is screaming at him and he keeps looking back to make sure Cherry is near.
Bonbon suffers from bentback penis syndrome
Same thing happened with Kenta and Bonbon, and Kenta showed he was alpha. We all knew this would happen and I always knew Decky would not submit to Bonbon. Decky walked around hooting “ Come on young buck, I’m here to stay!” Decky will not submit to any chimp being alpha. If he does it will be instinct that he is dying ( like Kenta ) or he will fight to the death. It’s their way, Decky May have got hurt, but he won the war. It’s funny that Decky was raised by humans, but still had the instinct on how to be alpha, I believe you are born an alpha. Bonbon may be one one day when he is permanently separated by his mom. I felt bad for both Bonbon and Decky. But again, this is their way.
Totally agree, I am sure it was not fault of BB or Decky, something happened when they were leaving quaters who knows maybe Decky went in front of Cherry... she is very stubborn and sneaky chimp...Best thing to happen separate the cherry berry bb and try the paring again who knows maybe BB can learn from Decky on how to be a good Alpha
@@grandmap3389 that someone may have been BB by looks when you see BB cherry and fubuki cuddling and screaming he does have blood in his mouth too....right before he went over to decky the upteenth time to give his hand to decky's mouth... a sign that he wants forgiveness and didn't mean what happened..... I still believe Cherry may have started it and BB was coming to her rescue things escalated quick cause when BB 1st ran out seems he was scared out his mind of what he just did ...
Debra Calabrese yes I see the blood now. And he did look scared, like a kid about to be spanked, they are just going to have to keep Bonbon away from his mother, she is way too aggressive especially when she knows her son will back her up. She’s gone nut since Kenta death and Peach is in mourning. If you look back at videos yrs ago, Kenta and Peach kept her in line.
@@grandmap3389 I just went and looked back at the video of Peach hiding from Kenta ..that was so funny ...if you look back at the 1st few videos of after kenta had passed like july 2018 videos ...BB was looking for him, it takes that long for Kenta's scent to leave, and It took him a good few weeks til you didnt see him do that, BB now only does that when Peach is not in his group for the day outside.... As for peach she just looks defeated to me like she really has no care for no one... She is tending to chill with Nana and Peko a lot more ..... speaking of could ya imagine if nana was here for this ruckus
Debra Calabrese oh god, Nana would have went after Cherry and Bonbon! I just feel so sorry for all of them even Cherry, they are animals and there is going to be fighting, I think it just shook us up because it was sweet Decky!
This hurts my Heart. Poor decky hes such a sweet heart. I love all animals but im starting to really dislike bonbon. He attacks everyone.. He disfigured kenta too. Very upsetting! I hope my poor decky will be ok i cant imagine what he did to diserve that..nothing! I hope i dont read where he has passed because im going to be very upset.
@@grandmap3389 ill try to keep that in mind. But its so brutal. Poor decky.
Poor Decky Bonbon, Cherry and Berry attacked him.
Now I see why they got rid of cherry
I noticed that the only one that didn't come up to Decky was Berry. They definitely need to separate BB and his mom. This is probably a good thing to happen ( even though poor Decky got hurt) bcuz now the troop know who's on who's side? Did something happen to Miru? She looks like she holding one of her arm like it's hurt. I'm glad to hear that Decky is ok.😢😢😢
I noticed that too Kim. She seems to have injured her right hand.
Kim D Miru looks to be cold.. The chimps do that a lot specially this time of year....
all of them are upset And it looks like to me they were all on Decky’s side.
Yes, Fubuki was so upset he didn't even try to hit anyone with a stick or branch😂
@@valeriesexton2584 Hilarious.
Peko @ 9:53 is not pleased with Bonbon!
yep Cherry went to Peco-san and submitted but BB didnt she was upset cause Berry attacked Chiko {her daughter} in the beginning of the rucus
Bonbon likes to bite your lips off, he goes for em.
I know I left a comment already but did anyone else catch who was with Decky most of the time ....Gin and Miru were the 2 chimps that constantly stayed with Decky... I am so proud of Gin he knows BB is not an Alpha and as for Miru she has always had a crush on Decky..we can clearly see Cherry probably did the biting cause Decky and BB where making up as this whole scene unfolded... Cherry and Berry ,Decky wanted nothing to do with
It seemed to me that Mikan and of course little Fubuki were with Decky a lot of the time. And when Mikan wasn't, she was maaad at Bonbon and family!
@@valeriesexton2584 Yes Mikan and Fubuki did stay around him a lot but if you watch Gin and Miru were Decky's right and left hand crew ...Miru has always had a crush on Decky thinking maybe has to do with when her mama Sazae was around she fostered Gin and actually died from complications when giving birth to Decky's baby ....
Yes, Gin and Miru were definitely Decky's biggest supporters. I never thought of Miru's crush on Decky having to do with her Mom carrying Decky's baby before she died, that's a good point. And of course Gin has loved Decky since he was little and is very devoted to him.
@@valeriesexton2584 sazae was a to herself chimp but always seemed to come out the shell when with Decky...I think both Gin and Miru saw that and since mama is gone they tend to stick with Decky... I think all 4 of them now the 3 of them make a cute lil family ....
I love Gin… Kindest looking face at all times.
Bon bon hiding. Better hide. Decky you did good and I love that gin and miru stayed by him. I know this is old video but I just got to see it.
I’m sure Decky is in pain 🥺😢😭
Look at lil Fubuki! Right where the Action is! He can't wait to grow up and BE INVOLVED! 🙂
Poor Decky.🥺
Gin is up next.. Believe that.. #TeamGin
I never seen Decky this upset before i bet it was Bonbon who bit Decky!
After watching this again I think it was Berry who attacked Decky. She was very aggressive thru it all.
One thing he is mad about getting bitten
I feel bad for decky its bad enough one of the chimps got hurt so bad that one of them had a paralyzed paw they need to be separated for their own safety
Why didn't the zoo do something ? This went on for a long time !
I have clearly seen now that we can not blame staff or the chimps but you can also see who the Alpha Male is when Decky and BB are together ...yes BB has strength and no alpha smarts Decky is Alpha smart and old with not enough strength...this troop has picked it's Alpha ...you can clearly see it to be Decky...Kenta and Decky could never go out together cause I believe kenta would of lost his Alpha to Decky.... Time will tell I really think the staff should treat this as a case of learning and forget about keeping them together they know how to handle it...If they ever want BB to take that title they will have to separate cherry berry and BB forever...I believe we have a Alpha Decky and Gin is in the wings when Decky gets too old.....
Debra Calabrese well said, I have believed Decky was alpha all along when in a yard. Kenta in his yard and Decky in his yard. It’s time to get Bonbon off the pap!
@@grandmap3389 I am concerned for BB you can clearly see him trying to make up with Decky even when the ruckus 1st broke out... BB really needs to be out and away from Berry and Cherry for him to have any chance at either being a leader or even being socially accepted in the troop
Why can't the staff be blamed ? Some dumb ass placed 2 potential Alpha male chimps within the same enclosure after being separated since July. Perhaps the staff tested the water with a barrier in place, who knows. But obviously BonBon with family support, to protect his status, was a very poor decision placing Decky in that scenario.
I agree 100%, Rich! This was entirely avoidable.
@@joelanders2038 Yes avoidable in which the staff should of left Berry and Cherry out of the equation ... Thinking my opinion only but staff is trying to get BB to learn from Decky but for that to happen Cherry and Berry have to go and be separated from BB .... BB may have injuried Decky but I am thinking he is looking pretty sorry about it... you can see just by how many times he went back to Decky to give his hand for Decky to Bite, Cherry nor Berry submitted to Decky but BB did even within the 1st couple of seconds of the ruckus on the platform .....
Looks like decky got an ass kicking
Why in the hell didnt they just keep them seperated on alternate days? Decky did not deserve this. Who knows if he will survive the day?
He is living and is fine according to the info giving in this clip... Seems Decky and Kei are now housed together and that is a great thing ...maybe few months we will see Kei integrated into the troop
@@debracalabrese5737 thank u so much for reminding me to read the info. I got so caught up in the video i forgot. I noticed his foot was damaged. Such a shame for a gentle leader who loves to walk on his toes.
@@patrickflug4605 might be some time to heal but he will walk on those toes again
Decky is the man and to see him cry like that is almost unbearable. I’m also a little disappointed in gin, my fav tama chimp, for not being a bit more outraged. Yet this is a purely human projection on wild animal behaviors and interactions. Who really knows what’s going on between these chimps, or the importance of these political moves. Violence is a major part of their societies. That being said, It’s extremely hard to watch.
ショックです。デッキーさんが はやく治りますように…
Poor Decky, he didn't deserve that! That stupid Bonbon, or whoever did it, maybe Cherry. I feelnso bad, Decky is such an awesome soul.😭😭
Valerie Sexton I believe it was Cherry
@@Hugs4you500 Damn her!!
Alisoun Hughes Bonbon had blood on his mouth, he’s done it before to Kenta.
That's what I was thinking when I saw Decky's lip. It's too bad it had to come to this, but at least it showed that Decky is Alpha.
デッキー❔の口が血だらけになっている。誰かにやられたか⁉️
bonbon did it blood in his mouth 👄 no
This is the first video I ever seen of this group and it was a long time ago, I couldn’t watch past 10 minutes. When I finally came across them again just recently I remembered Decky from standing on top of the metal box with his mouth bleeding. This is so upsetting to watch. I’m sorry but there not in the wild and the zoo keepers should intervene. What do they wait for one of then to almost die. In the wild there are people who watch/ follow groups of primates for years and will sometimes intervene if there is a cut they will dart it with antibiotics. This really really really upsets me.. For crying out loud there not in the wild. So IF ANYONE COMMENTS THAT THIS IS HOW THEY WOULD ACT IN THE WILD, OR IN THE WILD NO ONE WOULD HELP SAVE YOUR TIME TYPING BECAUSE THATS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. ALL PRIMATES ARE ENDANGERED SO PEOPLE FOLLOWING CERTAIN GROUPS. AGAIN WILL INTERVENE IF THE ANIMAL CAN BE SAVED. THERE SHOULD BE A WAY TO MAKE A LOUD NOISE TO DISTRACT THE CHIMPS AWAY FROM HIM. LOOK AT HIS MOUTH AND HIS TOE WAS BIT OFF. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE AT A ZOO, FOR THAT MATTER AT ANY ZOO. AGAIN THEY ARE NOT IN THE WILD SO PLEASE SAVE THE TIME TYPING A DUMB ASS REPLY.
And the award for most disgusting undercarriage of any animal in the kingdom bar none goes to……