The average pew sitter must be really disappointed when they first jump off the deep end into apologetics. It goes from "Jesus loves me this I know for the Bible tells me so!" and "God loves you, he can do anything!" to "Yeah... you know that prayer thing, it doesn't really work, oh and we don't know who wrote the Bible, oh and evolution actually did happen, also the universe really is 13.7 billion years old, oh and we don't actually have scientific evidence for God, oh and it turns out the ending of mark was tacked on later and the Bible you are holding is not the perfect inerrant word of God...." Must be quite a shock. I don't really understand how apologists can give so much ground but still be Christians...
That is when most become atheist. It scary to think with ALL that new information and debunking of their entire belief system.. how anyone can still remain drunk on the kool-aid. Boggles the mind. Here I am many years later.. and I still find hundreds of things wrong EVERY DAY with what I believed as a Christian. It's just nuts..
I've been an atheist for at least 25 years, and **I** still find new and astonishingly wrong things that I just assumed were correct. Just a week or so ago I discovered MOSES was not historical at all. I knew the Exodus never happened, but no one ever told me Moses was completely mythical. Why does this not come up more often? I was watching a vid about the historicity of Jesus, and someone just threw it out there that they've known for years and years that Moses was not historical as a side comment and I just about fell out of my chair. So I did some research, and sure enough--it's simple accepted scholarship that Moses was myth. What the hell? Why were people questioning Christian Bale about what kind of person Moses was? He never freakin' existed!
greyeyed123 Dude.. it's one thing after the other. There are literally thousands upon thousands of things wrong and false throughout the Bible. And that is the MAIN religion. Billions of worshipers! It boggles the mind! Hollywood could not make up crazier shit.
Kodi James We already know the flood story was plagiarized from Gilgamesh, and the Exodus has absolutely no archeological evidence or Egyptian record of ever occurring in any way. If fact, all the evidence indicates it didn't happen. It is also sort of odd that Christians would just accept Moses as the author of the Pentateuch when A) it is just Jewish tradition, not scholarship or evidence, that he authored it, B) the author of those books never signed any copies or included his name in any of the texts as the author, C) the author is describing what happened at Moses death, and D) the author is describing everything in third person ("Moses did this and Moses did that, then Moses died and everybody cried").
Thanks for having Matt on the show and making it 3h! I watched it in separate chunks, but overall nice conversations. But people not accepting evolution are always frustrating to listen to, because they immediately reveal that they have no understanding of how it works and what it explains.
I think you are wrong disrespecting believers like that. Their belief in a god doesn't tell you anything about their intelligence and as you saw in this video they are smart and well spoken. Their reasoning is flawed in some areas and they make some wrong assumptions in other areas, but I can understand that if their information comes from a bad source and gets reinforced by their surroundings (like in the case of evolution), they'll end up holding bad positions confidently. Though I do understand your frustration of hearing the same bad arguments again and again (e.g. Pascal's wager) these arguments do their job by sounding compelling when not closer inspected. Putting all believers into one pot ignores the myriad of believers there are out there. You don't see Matt talking evolution with Francis Collins because they both agree on the topic.
The last 40 years? Try the last 2400 years. Kalam comes directly from Aristotle. The prime mover thing was pretty compelling when all we knew about space and time is what we could think really hard about while sitting on a rock. (Aristotle, by the way, thought heavy things fall faster than light things because it was common sense, and testing things was too menial. If he'd ever taken the time to take a heavy rock and a light rock and drop the fuckers, maybe we could have had the scientific revolution 2000 years early, and subsequently cured cancer, Alzheimer's, and the common cold while building massive colonies on the moon, Mars, and under the ocean using unlimited fusion power discovered in the year 400AD.)
Matt Dillahunty delivers yet another excellent video. Matt has the ability to bring to words the thoughts of what most non Believers have tried to say. I wish I could speak as well as him. We can all learn from Matt. I have an Incredible respect for Matt, as does Millions of Followers.
One thing that I certainly appreciate about Dillahunty is that he consistently works to make his arguments comprehensible, and most of the arguments presented are so confusing until he speaks and clears up what the other party is saying.
I've reached a point with Christians now... that if they say they don't credit evolution, I just can't take them seriously anymore. The genetic record, the fossil record, the recent studies with fast breeding animals that created new sub species incapable of interbreeding... and so on. Anyone who says they don't credit evolution to me just seems to be some armchair, internet fed professor who thinks a few weeks reading blogs is the same as a lifetime of study from millions of different people finding the same results.
I'm so sick of the argument from design. How can someone who thinks everything they encounter is designed believe that they are so good at telling the difference between design and non design ?
I agree with them. I just point out that nature is an awesome designer. Remember, it's call INTELLIGENT design. That farces them to show intelligence was behind the design.
Dilahunty: I'm still waiting to get beyond something beyond 'Ifs'; "If God exists," and "If he did this," and "If he did that." And then what? What is the 'then' to your list of 'Ifs'? Deist: Well, if... um... If you have, if we see... then, uh, ahem, excuse me... then, uh... Sorry, you kinda derailed me there... (nervous laughter).
How many times have his arguments been debunked and how many years ago ....blimey .... Arguing from ignorance .... I dont know and neither do you so therefore god
There's such a thing as "trial and error," which could be equivocated to natural selection. If the"design" works, then it will succeed and be improved upon in subsequent models. Why this has not occurred to him, I don't know.
Good point, but I am always interested in listening to the journey of atheists who were once Christians. I mean if it was that simple letting go of god would never have been so entertaining. "I was a Christian then I let go of god. The end"
Why do not the Theist show their evidence.. instead of arguing their opinions.. The debate would not only be theirs to win, but it would confirm to the world that their particular view, of their particular god, is true and real. It is as if they know they have nothing... but word play.
They do know that. That's why they have to do verbal gymnastics and try to find flaws in scientific models because they have nothing but a fiction book by unknown authors.
Eddie TheAtheist The evidence for Christianity hangs upon the case for Christ and his mission; life, death and Resurrection. Disprove that and atheists win! PS The evidence for Christianity is everywhere. Atheists just don’t want to find it.
@@maralvor - Unfortunately.. There is no tangible evidence that Christ existed. Only Legend, myth, and claims.. I.E. Hearsay. No pictures. No statues in that era. No written works done my this Christ. There are more stories of heroism and greatness of Hercules than the Christ. Sorry for being the one who had to tell you this.
@@lamaar8252 That is also a 'Claim' that is in correct. An ancient Jewish worshiper would never make a statue of Jesus at any rate. It would have been synonymous with idolatry. Greeks, Romans and others were replete with statues of there Rulers because they viewed them as gods. But in a opposing vein, Socrates is argued to not have ever been a real person because he never wrote anything, in spite of the fact they have statues. How do we know he exist? Well...🤔...his impact on the philosophical mind. Jesus' existence is well attested from enemies and followers a like. But anything historical can be denied just for the sake of denying. It's quite....for a lack of better words....childish.
@@yamabushiwarrior996 - There is no tangible evidence that Christ existed. Only Legend, myth, and claims.. I.E. Hearsay. That goes for Socrates as well.. and should not be worshipped or argued that he existed. You.... just played yourself. Try again?
PieInTheSky Okay here's the truth! We are AI created by the universe. I know it sounds weird but we can upload to our own virtual space with scientific understanding . No God is necessary because God is a program and test from the universe we must not fall for.
They are not “Design Theorists.” At BEST, they are “Design Hypothesists.” Using Theorist smuggles in that Intelligent Design is a Theory in the scientific sense.
I meant that as a joke based on what he was saying at your time stamp. I realized when I checked the time stamp I made up randomly that he was stuttering confusedly, and it might look like I was asking a real question.
This was hilarious. That bloke came on and made the most ridiculous, idiotic, hyperbolic, over-reachingly ignorant statements that evolution is essentially impossible, and Matt responds with 'so genetic mutation doesn't happen?'....caller: 'errr, well, errm...I think we can agree to disagree...errm, I'll ask a different question' (i.e 'quick, change the subject!!') :-)
the engineer at the end is so daft that he doesn't realize that Matt just defined universe creating pixies into existence (with no justification), just like the engineer does for god (just like all Christians do). These apologists are so moronic
It disgusts me to hear that Matt was brought up as a child to think he would burn in hell if he wasn't saved! Of the many reasons I have to honesty say I hate religion, this would be one of the best! (It's the ideas I hate not the people!)
Wait... doesn't the atheist believe when we die, that's it? We're just maggot food? They don't believe in the soul and what happens to it when our mortal bodies give out. We will just cease to be in their view, right? Atheist mom conversation with her kid: K: Mommy what happens when I die? M: well honey nothing. Your body goes into the ground and well that's it. K:......ok Isn't that disgusting? Hell is literally separation from God. If Christians are wrong and atheists are correct, then I guess it doesn't really matter because we'll just cease to be. However, when we are at the end of life and turns out we are standing in the presence of God, would the atheist accept him? I don't even think it's eternally too late at that point. I don't know the workings of God and the extent of his grace, but my question would be if (yes I know y'all don't like the word "if" here) if you were face to face with the Existing One, would you WANT to be with him forever?
@@robbinsnest6163 Yep reality is tough, and yes I've already had the conversation with my children. It makes you focus even more on our mortality and the need to look after yourself and make the most of your life! Would I want to spend eternity with a moral monster? NO!
@@robbinsnest6163 Do I also want to live in an entirely fabricated world of fantasy and mythology, without the slightest grounding in reality, designed to control and suppress? NO!
I seriously don’t understand this obsession of theists with knocking down evolution, no matter how many times you explain to them, that that is NOT the reason why people don’t believe in god. And also how many times do we have to repeat, evolution says NOTHING about the origin of life!
Ah, they tried to make it look like a sad video with the original picture and the title. My bet is that they bank on the fact that hearing an atheist pour his heart out about why he doesn't believe what theists believe is unappealing. Apologetics Academy shouldn't have taken Matt Dillahunty on. He's a high risk voice for a party trying to keep the faith.
This might be Matt at his best. The intelligence of the callers is a HUGE factor in that. So often he is forced to suffer the ramblings of fools, it can make him quite... snippy, and who can blame him? At least these callers have (some fucking) brains in their heads.
Matt: I'm tired of hearing 'if'. What is the 'then' to your lists of 'ifs'? Bald Man: 'If...sorry, you derailed me' :-) Turns out his conclusion to the list of ifs was another if
The problem I see with saying the formation of protein structures can't occur by evolution but only by God (intelligent design) is you're not talking about what caused it (whether it was God or evolution), you're talking about HOW whatever caused it did so. The Objection is HOW evolution caused it. But if you're talking about the HOW then you have to talk about HOW God formed them as well. HOW did God create protein structures? HOW did God create DNA? What the Christian is offering as the explanation is not an explanation at all. I mean in the bible it says "God formed the man out of the dust of the ground, and blew into his nostrils the breathe of life, and the man became a living soul (being)." But HOW does that work? HOW does breathing into the nostrils of a dust sculpture make the dust turn into living cells with DNA, HOW does that form complex protein structures? Offering God as an explanation, is not actually offering an explanation at all, because nobody knows HOW God does these things they are saying he did. If you ask the question of HOW your house came to exist, would me saying a person built it answer that question? NO. The question was HOW it came to exist, not who or what caused it to exist. For the question to actually be answered I'd have to tell you HOW the person built the house. I have to tell you, "he cleared away the ground and leveled the plot of land, he poured and leveled a foundation, he put up the framing, he put in pipes and wiring, he hung drywall, etc..." That is explaining HOW the house came to exist (how it came to be). Just telling you a person did it doesn't explain HOW they did it, so it doesn't explain HOW the house came to exist. But Christians don't give the HOW, they just give the WHO. Which tells us nothing about HOW life came to exist. So it is not an explanation. In order for it to tell us HOW life came to exist, you have to explain HOW his powers work to make life, and that is the part Christians completely skip over, so they are not really offering an explanation at all.
When as a theists I disliked propaganda and as an atheist I dislike propaganda ...infomercials...that sort of thing. Also logical fallacies make me roll my eyes. Personal experiences I am more likely to listen rather than trolling repetitive parroted stuff I already know. Though I don't expect everyone to actually care or understand.
Cher monsieur Matt Dillahunty sir, you are simply incredible, and you educate me every time i follow you on your You Tube videos. Sound arguments, as well as lots of patience. I laughed with this very common example of "" I believe what a believe because of my one big experience i had with the supernatural, here god!!" and responding with: -what are the reasons that brought you to believe in the way you do.....these are???? and this has more weight when there are no sound reasons but just faith all topped with a person might be found not guilty as there is no evidence to prove him being guilty but no reasonable evidences were brought forward doing that. thank you very much as this is the best way forward for anything with a doubt... merci pierre
I thought apologetics was a kinda insult from atheists but it seems to be a real religious thing I’m dumbfounded they can even continue to argue about anything in that way
I know I did too fuck church nuts I was abused by churches even when I did nothing that was considered a sin aka breaking this so called gods laws but even then I was screamed at by this maniac your going to hell now as an adult if I was my age I am now I would have told that guy go fuck yourself all I saw at church was hypocritical Looney's abusing others and trying to brainwash they way you live and think no thanks anymore lol
Haha I have a green anaconda. She spends more than half her Life in the water. She's going to be 18 feet and over 200 lbs some day and she's getting an 11foot x6 foot enclosure with a 6 foot x 6 foot pond. If anyone wants to see a swimming snake check her out haha. But just for the record I have 5 snakes and none of them talk. But i do see theists kill snakes and fear snakes because of the Bible when snakes are more important to the planet than humans. And that's sad
Im not athiest for any deep reason. Ive always been athiest. And ive met people with a thousand diff magic beliefs. Everything from worshiping different gods to healing crystals, to scientology. And none ive ever heard sounded any more convincing than the rest. Christians and muslims sound the same to me as girls believing in astrology or someone worshiping Thor.
It cannot. That's their cop-out. But the thing is, if it does not react within our space and time, then they are claiming they can detect the undetectable which is further absurdity. It is just like the invisible dragon in my garage that cannot be detected though I am positive that it is there. Ridiculousness.
anonymous johnson proven is a pretty strong word. If the universe began to exist, and the science suggests that it did, something had to bring it into existence. Assuming that you agree that things can't just pop into existence uncaused . Since matter, space and time are a part of the universe whatever brought it into existence be bound by that Realm of existence. Therefore it is outside of space-time matter and energy as we know it. It's an inference to the best explanation. Not necessarily proof. And to say that we just don't know what it is so there's no reason to believe a God did it is just a naturalism of the gaps argument.
To the self-consciousness-issue: Can somebody give me a coherent definition for what this even is? I mean, I get that this is currently a huge issue for many people (even though I don't see the issue). However it seems like it is just something the theist brings up, because it's a topic we don't have all the answers to yet... and even worse, where we don't even have a proper definition, therefore by necessity we can't possibly have a scientific model to explain it (you cannot "explain" something in scientific terms, if you don't have a proper definition). It's kind of a "god of the gaps" argument, where the theist knows that most of our answers are "We don't know", but people FEEL, simply intuitively, that there must be some deep, ground-breaking explanation. So... any definition? Any real "concept" that we even can discuss? And as the cherry on top: Any EVIDENCE that the thing you are refering to is linked to something supernatural?
Had to skip the twit. Could he produce a more exaggerated received pronunciation? Maybe drawl it out a bit more. It didn’t hide the vagueness or his incomplete thought process.
I always felt that, like in the pixies example... That a being not being able to control its death and is a counter to the claim amine is needed to be able to create something. Like in the kalam... Since it's based off intuition, How they get to it being a being is because it takes a mind to create something. But in this universe everything dies. So intuition should lead that a God/pixie would probably also have died creating the universe. That it didn't have a control of its death and his death resulted in the universe. And if it's mind was not needed then intuitively we can not then say it needed a mind.
To add... The pixie had no choice of his life expectancy. Another cool thought... Is if you divided 2 mins in half and continued to divide the result in half... You get infinite time... So an hour in this universe would be 4 hrs in another realm 16 hrs in another realm. 256 hrs.... To Infinite time in a realm. Of course we need evidence and the answer is still I don't know.. Just cool to think about. Kinda a pointer for ppl that say an infinite regress is impossible. We don't know how time works. Plus it's special pleading to say a God can exist like in timelessness as such but exclude a natural force
He seems to be inspired by Zeno's paradoxes (greek philosopher from a few hundred years BCE), or at least my first thought when I read the above was that of his Achilles and Tortoise paradox. There's a Wikipedia article on them, if you're interested (the entry is called Zeno's paradoxes).
This video is another example of how religion indoctrination can inhibit an individual's ability to think critically. It throws a monkey wrench in, and it can take years of effort to break free.
So let me get this straight, God had to create the Universe when he did becaue he knew you had to have this conversation at this specific time after he created it?????
I still find my point of a lack of humility to be devastating to the claims of theists being "humble". It's not meant to be insulting, but a simple expression of reality. If you believe that the creator of a 46.5b ly wide universe, and 24.5 million species is your father, expresses *any* concern with how you conduct yourself, and most importantly, that you carry around it's message, and know what it wants... ...then there is no way you can ever claim humility. It is the epitome of pompacity. It is the exact vacuum of humility. There is no scope you can apply that minimizes the arrogance and egotistical stature of the claim.
Ugh, for reals, right? Still off when I flip the two by a huge margin of error. Gotta watch that. I actually did so when I asked Matt the question. Embarrassing.
2:37:40 H: "There are multiple challenges to evolutionary theory" M: "If that's the case, then you should engage conversation with evolutionary biologists" H: "Which I did by the way" Cool, where are the results? Studies? What was the outcome of it? Unless your work about those "challenges" has been thoroughly examined by the scientific community, this has absolutely no compelling value.
This the main and maybe the only reason God believers are wrong. They clam a god exist then try to make all the pieces of science fit their belief sorry we look to were the facts lead us not the other way
There are several other animals that will compete with humans in long distance. Researching the claim was interesting. I don't think the typical American gets to include themselves in this claim either. I bet Matt's ass couldn't do a 1/4 mile run.
Fully agree that the average American could NOT go a full day of constant running, but ultra-marathon runners aren't exactly non-american, and even the idea of how far and how fast that pace is can boggle anyone's mind! I brought this fact up as it ties in well with this false notion that evolution isn't a thing. Our ancestors, who were moving away from quadrupedal walking to being bipeds managed to conserve calories and energy from less motion (walking instead of sauntering) and therefore able to spend less energy on hunting and gathering to spending more time reproducing. Yet when we look at the human skeleton we see all the remnants of an animal that once walked on all fours. Regardless of all that, I've always wanted to disagree with Matt on something, sure I could kick his butt at a 1/4 mile run but I want to be able to reason as well he can.
The answer to the question that Matt was looking for in his last conversation right before the end is this. A necessary and sufficient cause cannot exist without the effect also existing unless the cause has personal agency and can decide when to cause the effect. The universe creating pixie would have to have the property of personal agency. At that point you're describing the Christian view of God so there's no point in changing the name to a Universe creating pixie. Also a necessarily existent being is only necessarily existent if his nonexistence is impossible.
sorry to sound rude.. i know Matt does not like it........but what the hell- these guys all look same to me.... the may be a very nice good , kind, honest men, yet they all look same.....not all of them, but vast majority...........am i imagining this?
Roman T you're putting the cart before the horse. Without an explanation for the origin of the information that is required for evolution to occur you can't really justify that Evolution naturally occurs.
coachmarc2002 No without an absolute answer towards abiogenesis speaks nothing towards the theory of evolution because once you have those building blocks for life everything makes sense regarding evolution and there is no other competing Theory. Once abiogenesis maybe is able to be answered creationists Will be moved into a smaller pocket and will probably just argue from the beginning of the universe. Science explains God doesn't explain anything.
That's your opinion and your entitled to it. At least give you props for being polite about it . What it really boils down to is that my worldview allows for an outside intelligence to be involved in the design that theists call obvious and atheists call apparent. The type of information in DNA that is required for life to get started had to come from somewhere. Theists say God is the source of the information and instructions that DNA gives for the building of proteins and other molecular machines required for a single cell to survive and replicate itself. An atheist can't allow for an outside intelligence to be involved so they suppress their own ability to Intuit design in what they see around them in the world and the specified complex information that science demonstrates is in the genome. An atheist must believe that that type of information arose from a non intelligent source. That being matter just laying around someplace assembled itself into a living self-replicating organism. My opinion is that it takes a lot more faith to believe that than to believe that there is an intelligent God directing everything.
coachmarc2002 I think when it comes to science whether someone is an atheist or Theist should have no bearing. When scientists look at the anything they have never come across anything pointing to an outer intelligence, good scientists aren't bias in that they have to hold onto a belief in atheism. Faith is only held in high regard in religion and creationists have to put that on atheists in that way to make a false equivalency because science doesn't take faith it has evidence for the things it observes. Did you listen to Matt during this or any other time is pretty good at explaining things.
@1:23:15 ish... I think the visible universe is like 92 billion light years across given the expansion of space an all. And, since we can't see all of it specifying visible is necessary.
The Bible in part is a great study in disbelief. In its narrative from Adam through to the killing of Jesus Christ and till the second advent of Jesus Christ belief and non-belief are one of its main themes.
2:29:00 That is just begging the question. Information is associated with intelligence, but intelligence is associated with DNA that contains information. You skipped the part that all known intelligence is human intelligence, and humans are made by DNA. So, you can't use your historical abductive method, because that method should you lead to the conclusion that people made DNA who are made by DNA. You just assume that there is some other intelligence that made DNA that makes people, hence you already assume what you ought to prove. Your Apologetics Academy is riddled with logical fallacies.
Erwin Müller nobody claimed that humans made DNA you knucklehead. They claim that intelligence is required for DNA. It's pretty obvious that the intelligence would mean God not humans. Therefore your circularity argument is bogus.
coachmarc2002 no, that's the thing you moron. It's not "obvious" that the intelligence in question is god. "Historical abductive" method relies on - gasp! - history, i.e. things that we know already happened. We know humans have happened, and they have intelligence. Therefore, if you are to claim that intelligence is required for creating the DNA, the prime (and really, _only_ ) candidate for this spot is humans, not god. God isn't anywhere to be found in history, and to assume him as the "obvious" answer *is* a fallacy.
Out of my misery that's one of the dumbest things that I've ever heard. How could Human intelligence be responsible for the information in DNA when we need DNA to exist? Really? You can't be that stupid.
Just what is “The Christian World View? There are so many distinct differences between the different “brands” of Christianity, it all adds up to a whole lot of B.S. to me!!!
I can't believe Mat was convinced by Bart Erhman that that Jesus did in fact exist .. based on the weak evidence Erhman brought to the table in his debate with Dr. Robert Price...I'm very disappointed.
Jesus not existing would completely destroy Christianity but it's likely something that's not going to ever be proven.he's always been willing to accept that Jesus was a historical figure or was based on multiple historical figures I don't really see it as that big of a deal.because even if there was a historical Jesus that doesn't confirm the existence of a God and it does not confirm the supernatural claims of Jesus in any way.
How is Salvador a part-time biologist at NIH? Grad student, huh? First year Grad Student maybe? But seriously, already went through Org-Chem. and does not understand how to science? Only one Universe we can see, therefor God...very well thought out.
Well, I thought this was great. I think Apologetics Academy provided some very intelligent people for Dillahunty. I keep seeing articles about theists that turned from atheism, but their arguments are infantile which shows that people can have an opinion of a matter for bad reasons, and then switch to another opposite opinion for equally bad reasons. I think the people who publish those articles are having issues finding people of great intellect, unlike Apologetics Academy which seemed to have many intellectuals to choose from -- maybe the USA is just intellect poor.
I think your standards are exceedingly low. I wouldn't qualify any of the apologists here as "intelligent." Repeatedly coming to erroneous conclusions due to an unwillingness to think critically is not a hallmark of intelligence.
I think you are engaging in hyperbole by saying they are not intelligent -- plus this would depend on a very narrow definition of intelligence. If intelligence is defined as never arriving at erroneous conclusions, then intelligent life does not exist on earth. These people have a great deal against them in arriving at what we would consider the correct conclusion, and I think that if we were in their same position, we may very well have fallen prey to their conclusion as well. Intelligence: The ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills. Even with this definition of intelligence, I would tend to say these people presented are very intelligent, compared to some swamp-rat somewhere cloistered within a like-minded community of bible thumpers where the ONLY education considered worthy, is an education in what a religious leader says that a religious text says. Even though I disagree with your assessment, I do find it very interesting that all over the world, people of all levels of "intelligence" come to god and supernatural beliefs as they fall victim to human biases and the errant employment of critical thinking skills -- this is what really interests me. People that come to diametrically opposing conclusions, especially in the internet age with so much content to be skeptical about. I do not think any of us have any special natural immunity to coming to wrong conclusions. I consider these people presented to be of high caliber, compared to many in the United States that I have seen engage in mouth-breathing biblical nincompoopery.
DoorknobHead *If intelligence is defined as never arriving at erroneous conclusions, then intelligent life does not exist on earth* I wish you wouldn't misrepresent me so blatantly. *if we were in their same position, we may very well have fallen prey to their conclusion as well* Most atheists WERE in their same position. These people should know better.
My purpose was not to misrepresent you with that statement, but to hopefully demonstrate by going down that path that intelligence might not be the issue here. It may have been Michael Shermer that I saw recently that referred to a report stating that people with more intelligence can better justify their reasons for their belief (not that they are ultimately viable reasons, though), therefore religious Apologetics; therefore groups such as Apologetics Academy! I think decently executed Apologetics may be a sign of intelligence, while "...cause the bible tells me so..." or other forms of accepting other peoples word on a subject without thinking about the subject for themselves might be a sign of less intelligence or at least a sign of a lack of a willingness to engage the mind. The amazing part, is these people that continually engage in apologetics with atheists on the speaking circuits, and have been given all the access to all the arguments and still arrive at supernatural conclusions. I think there is something else afoot here -- some genetic trait in humans that allows them to hold two separate impossible-to-exist-at-the-same-time conclusions when faced with extraordinarily better arguments. My take is that survival of early human did not require understanding the facts of reality correctly, but instead to understand things which, even though they are not true, still helped in the survival and success of that early human. I agree, they should know better, but once again, it is fascinating that they seem to not know better or possess some mental barrier that is so hard to impregnate. It is amazing to me how humans have this amazing failing (but in a primitive natural world, is it really a failing?). How does all that work? What verifiable facts might explain these emergent properties of the mind. Maybe it will take serious global long term scientific and academic study to find out the answers with efforts such as what the University of Miami is apparently trying to do with its new Chair for the Study of Atheism.
DoorknobHead The most intelligent theists shut the fuck up because they know full well that they can't defend their beliefs. These people think they have a case. All they have is dishonesty.
Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles. So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie.
@@terryboot7777 JESUS LOVES YOU my friend! The truth will set YOU FREE! but only if you want...the choice is entirely up to YOU! thank you for the little funny face, so i could engage you in conversation! let's talk
oh hi, thank you for your comments and questions. To answer one of your questions very simply, what is the truth...well Jesus is the Truth. Everything about Jesus is the truth, all that Jesus said and did truth...Jesus is the complete embodyment of truth...walking living truth. Not one single bit of Jesus is anything but truth, right down to the core. I'd like to think that most of what i think is true but i know better, i know that there are things that i think that are not all true...what those things are, i am not sure of yet...but as i go along and look to God to know what is true, i learn along the way. I did not just read the Bible and believe it for no reason...it is not a shallow belief in something because i read it in a book or because some people said it is true...because i'd say more people say the Bible is untrue more than the people who know it is true. I know it is true because of miraculus events in my life and the most signifigent one was not long after i cried out to God and prayed to God to forgive me of my sin...telling God i was so very sorry for the all the bad things i had done and that i did not want to do any bad things ever again along side that was my faith in Jesus beleiving that Christ, Jesus had died for my sins and that i could be forgiven. And low and behold maybe about a week or two after i prayed ernestly to God...the miraculous happened and it just so happened at my Grandmothers funneral...and i had no idea this was going to happen...not even the slightest idea...but Jesus came in the Spirit and baptised me in the Holy Spirit and in an instand i felt all my sins washed away, forgiven, cleansed and this weight of guilt that i was carrying lifted off of my shoulders that i had no idea that guilt could even have a weight but it does and it can...but this weight that i had no idea that i had on me...that i was carrying was instantly lifted and i felt a Holy Presence...and this Holy presence came into me...and witnessed to me, told me that it is the Holy Spirit that is in me...the Spirit of God, His Holy Spirit told me and i could feel Him and still can and still do and also i was filled with JOY AND PEACE AND LOVE and my whole body was tinggly inside and out and i felt so light that i felt like i was going to lift right off of the floor in front of everyone...i didn't mind you but i think i could have and someday i will when Jesus comes back. After this happened to me...when i was reading the Bible i found out what happened to me was in the Bible...that Gid gives people the Holy Spirit...i found out after i received it...and after that i was filled with love for everyone...a deep sense of love for every person. Many many things have happened since then and many miraculous events that can not just be explained away but chance. You may find this hard to believe when i tell you that i know that i know the truth! And how do i know, because God has revealed the truth to me with certainty and you too can know what is true...befor that i did not know if God even existed...nor could i know, nor can anyone because it is sin that seperates people from God and that makes them blind and in darkness because of sin and they can not figure it out in their mind. Because to know God it is through the heart by the Holy Spirit because God is Spirit ans truth and light and life, Holy and pure. You can come into a relationship with God through Christ...God wants to bring you out of darkness and death and into the light and life forever with Him as an adopted Child of God...A wonderful position to be in and it is all a free gift from God because God is love...nothing we can do to earn it or deserve it...God provides everything...Such a wonderful Father...God is so good to us...and we get to choose to embrace all the goodness of God or regect God for evil...you get to choose my friend and God will even help you choose and find the Way to Him and He is even calling you right now in Jesus name amen
@Psicólogo Miguel Cisneros well no, your experience will most likely not be exactly the same, but will have similarities. Well pretty much, if you truly are sorry, and you go to God and confess, and if you have the desire to live for God, with faith in Jesus. God will know if you are serious or not about this, your motives and such...if you are genuine about it, God will receive you. Simple child-like faith, it is not complicated, God knows and sees your heart.
@Psicólogo Miguel Cisneros oh okay, interesting; i was wondering what was going on with you and your specific line of questioning...now i know. There are some things about your story, your dream that make me think that it was not Jesus. Like for one, you being scared, to death even and then when you asked a question, you did not get an answer strait away. Jesus would know "Who" you meant. Honestly, it sounds like a demonic action, trying to keep you away from a true encounter with Christ. I think if it was Jesus, you would have had an overwhelming sense of peace and love, and felt a Holy presence, and you would not be scared; but the last part, the beam of light and the feeling of "ascending up", now that sounds like JESUS, bringing YOU UP AND OUT of death, the pit and out of the presence of demons. I feel like the Holy Spirit is bearing witness to me this; the beginning of your dream was demonic, but then Jesus came and brought you out! This it think is really good news, it looks like YOU ARE GOING TO BE A CHILD OF GOD, if you are not already! Just keep seeking after God, after Jesus and God will reveal to you the answer to the questions you are having and will confirm with you, if you are His! And if you are not yet born-again just keep pressing in towards God, until you are; with faith in Jesus. The Holy Spirit will guide you!
If baby's lived forever in baby form would you think something supernatural was going on???? Matt... WTF! No...I would probably try to seek out an explanation that make's sense... But wouldn't that negate the possibility of god??? No.............. I win!!!
Josh has an irritating voice and I hope he loses some of that veiled arrogance as he matures. Please, don't start and restart your sentences five times before finally producing a coherent sentence. And why thrust yourself into the conversation when you haven't heard the first half? Matt explained his position very thoroughly at the start. Sorry, I've listened to this video twice now and Josh's voice and inept argumentation annoyed me more and more. He does seem intelligent enough to understand these complex logical arguments, but his head is full of apologist misinformation. Everything he said seemed to be regurgitations of other people's fallacies. I didn't feel he was engaging his mind with anything Matt said - he was simple readying his next soundbite. Sorry Josh, I know I sound mean. I suspect you are the product of religious indoctrination. Why not read some non-apologist philosophy and natural sciences (protein chemistry is amazing!). You will then be better equipped to see the flaws in the indoctrination and won't need shoehorn apologist arguments into these discussion on the fly. That approach doesn't help you understand anything.
Humankind had been creating religions and gods for over 250,000 years. Christian in all its flavors is another created mythology. present your god, or your god doesn't exist.
Hahaha you're delusional. NOTHING in science confirms a god. Literally nothing. That's why a majority of the world's scientists are athiests. And the ones that aren't don't use science to get to their theism because they can't. If God was provable by sciencethese discussions, instead of presenting scientific evidence, the theists use argument from ignorance, circular reasoning, god of the gaps,and provide no actual evidence. Matt continues to absolutely annihilate the theorist position and point all the holes and flaws in it.theists wish that science could prove God because they wouldn't continue to get their asses handed to them in debates or have to stoop to word salad bulshit to try and lure people down a rabbit hole to stop the conversation dead. You need to open a different book because your brain is polluted
oh and atheism is nothing more than saying I am not convinced a God exists. So how is that a position that can be destroyed?it's not a positive claim unless you are taking the hard atheist position which is completely separate from the majority of atheists including the bulk of atheist organizations across the world. So even in that situation science would not destroy atheism science would give atheists a reason to accept theism which it's still has not done.Theism has not met its burden of proof and the arguments have not gotten any better. This science has not pointed towards a God. That's why the most popular arguments are fallacies.
@@thickerconstrictor9037 said, "oh and atheism is nothing more than saying I am not convinced a God exists. So how is that a position that can be destroyed?" The same way science destroys you when saying you are not convinced a round earth exists.
In response, the Presence of the Holy Spirit is felt and has been experienced by many and of course myself included. The power of God and the presence of God exceeds the natural understanding of man because God is infinite and sadly Matt is Attempting to bring down an infinite God to his level without desiring to look to God the way God has said.Jesus Christ is the Eternal Son of God and the record and amount of Testimonies about Christ healing,appearing etc are amazing. Have I seen Jesus? Yes. Do I expect an atheist to understand? No.The atheist is not consistent in their worldview as I posted on my video but regardless of Matt's view Matt must look to Jesus Christ if he ever wants a starting point...not towards men who claim knowledge but have no explanations for the spiritual things that do happen.Healing, demon possession,etc...some people may not believe but if you research there are numerous accounts that the atheists choose to just ignore...facts that the atheists desire are called facts....facts that don't "fit" go out....at the end of it Matt is trying to be God because He wants the authority of his life etc....but you can not Experience true peace without Christ.Peace
+LuciousRage You need to look to Jesus for Yourself...why do you follow a man to tell you about God? why don't you look to God for yourself? Jesus Christ is the Eternal Son of God....look to Him and stop following a man who is spiritually blind. Do you really want to base your life on another person's view?Look to Jesus for yourself.
Actually we distrust human minds because of the flaws evolution has put into it. That is why we apply science and its need for evidence, to overcome the limits of our minds.
In the first five minutes he speaks about his experience growing up in the church, misapprehends what the Bible has to say and never has any real understanding of the freedom that was his to claim. One really must wonder what was at work in his mind and heart through this time. At 14:43, barely 15 minutes into his talk, Dillahunty says that he has "no evidence" that any god exists. It's at this point that one must consider whether any rational person should pay any further attention. Does he really mean to say that of the thousands of experts in the fields of physics, biology, astronomy, Biblical studies, hermeneutics, archeology, linguistics, history, ancient culture and language, etc. etc., etc. that Matt Dillahunty, who claims to have studied religion for over a decade, cannot find one single fact that might bear some weight? Absolutely zero evidence? Is there any credible person alive who can honestly say that? This represents more than just a closed mind; something else is at work here. For me, this says all I need to know. There's really no point in listening further... --William Brown MD
He is spending his life defending what he doesn't believe in, and ya'll think he is smart! Must be financially a gain. The prosperity preachers evil cousin!
David Heffron To believe or have a belief is to accept something as true without any evidence. You believe when you take something as truth based on trust or you simply don't have enuff knowledge on the matter, so you fill in the gaps with whatever you feel is right. Faith is unreasonable belief: Its when you continue to believe in something even when substantial and solid evidence has been presented against that belief. That's why WHERE THERES EVIDENCE, THERE IS NO NEED TO BELIEVE OR BELIEFS....YOU SIMPLY KNOW. To know is to accept something as true, because you were presented with solid and testable evidence. YOU KNOW BECAUSE YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF.... therefore, one cannot have good reason to believe, just be trusting or have lack of knowledge of 'X'
David Heffron you can't believe in 'X' and know that 'X' is true or false at the same time. Me for example: I used to believe in Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, etc... currently I know they don't exist. When I was a child I tried to gather evidence that supported my belief. Turns out, all I found was evidence against my belief. people used to believe the earth was flat and the center of the universe. It's common KNOWLEDGE that that's not the case. there is solid evidence that proves it's round. Beliefs are only presents when there's lack of knowledge. I currently believe in many things, but trust me if good evidence is discovered against it I'll stop believing, or if the evidence supports my belief, then good for me I guess. Just my Two cents, no beef good Sir. And notice you said ' I don't believe you are correct. Don't refute with things your not sure of. do it with thing you know are true (evidence).
please folks...instead of making shit up to explain the world/universe etc... JUST SAY I DONT KNOW !!!!! HOW HARD IS IT???
The average pew sitter must be really disappointed when they first jump off the deep end into apologetics. It goes from "Jesus loves me this I know for the Bible tells me so!" and "God loves you, he can do anything!" to "Yeah... you know that prayer thing, it doesn't really work, oh and we don't know who wrote the Bible, oh and evolution actually did happen, also the universe really is 13.7 billion years old, oh and we don't actually have scientific evidence for God, oh and it turns out the ending of mark was tacked on later and the Bible you are holding is not the perfect inerrant word of God...."
Must be quite a shock. I don't really understand how apologists can give so much ground but still be Christians...
That is when most become atheist. It scary to think with ALL that new information and debunking of their entire belief system.. how anyone can still remain drunk on the kool-aid. Boggles the mind.
Here I am many years later.. and I still find hundreds of things wrong EVERY DAY with what I believed as a Christian. It's just nuts..
I've been an atheist for at least 25 years, and **I** still find new and astonishingly wrong things that I just assumed were correct. Just a week or so ago I discovered MOSES was not historical at all. I knew the Exodus never happened, but no one ever told me Moses was completely mythical. Why does this not come up more often? I was watching a vid about the historicity of Jesus, and someone just threw it out there that they've known for years and years that Moses was not historical as a side comment and I just about fell out of my chair. So I did some research, and sure enough--it's simple accepted scholarship that Moses was myth. What the hell? Why were people questioning Christian Bale about what kind of person Moses was? He never freakin' existed!
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Dude.. it's one thing after the other. There are literally thousands upon thousands of things wrong and false throughout the Bible. And that is the MAIN religion. Billions of worshipers! It boggles the mind! Hollywood could not make up crazier shit.
+greyeyed123 If Moses is 'fictional'...that means that he 'DIDN'T' (write) the FIRST FIVE BOOKS of the Bible...as Bible Scholars 'claim'.
Kodi James We already know the flood story was plagiarized from Gilgamesh, and the Exodus has absolutely no archeological evidence or Egyptian record of ever occurring in any way. If fact, all the evidence indicates it didn't happen. It is also sort of odd that Christians would just accept Moses as the author of the Pentateuch when A) it is just Jewish tradition, not scholarship or evidence, that he authored it, B) the author of those books never signed any copies or included his name in any of the texts as the author, C) the author is describing what happened at Moses death, and D) the author is describing everything in third person ("Moses did this and Moses did that, then Moses died and everybody cried").
Thanks for having Matt on the show and making it 3h! I watched it in separate chunks, but overall nice conversations.
But people not accepting evolution are always frustrating to listen to, because they immediately reveal that they have no understanding of how it works and what it explains.
I think you are wrong disrespecting believers like that.
Their belief in a god doesn't tell you anything about their intelligence and as you saw in this video they are smart and well spoken.
Their reasoning is flawed in some areas and they make some wrong assumptions in other areas, but I can understand that if their information comes from a bad source and gets reinforced by their surroundings (like in the case of evolution), they'll end up holding bad positions confidently.
Though I do understand your frustration of hearing the same bad arguments again and again (e.g. Pascal's wager) these arguments do their job by sounding compelling when not closer inspected.
Putting all believers into one pot ignores the myriad of believers there are out there. You don't see Matt talking evolution with Francis Collins because they both agree on the topic.
The last 40 years? Try the last 2400 years. Kalam comes directly from Aristotle. The prime mover thing was pretty compelling when all we knew about space and time is what we could think really hard about while sitting on a rock. (Aristotle, by the way, thought heavy things fall faster than light things because it was common sense, and testing things was too menial. If he'd ever taken the time to take a heavy rock and a light rock and drop the fuckers, maybe we could have had the scientific revolution 2000 years early, and subsequently cured cancer, Alzheimer's, and the common cold while building massive colonies on the moon, Mars, and under the ocean using unlimited fusion power discovered in the year 400AD.)
I wouldn't call someone who consistently comes to wrong conclusions due to willful ignorance and poor thinking borne of emotional attachment "smart."
ABarton43 I note you say "probably".
I am British. I use irony.
Matt Dillahunty delivers yet another excellent video. Matt has the ability to bring to words the thoughts of what most non Believers have tried to say. I wish I could speak as well as him. We can all learn from Matt.
I have an Incredible respect for Matt, as does Millions of Followers.
Scott Preston sometimes your idols arent who you expect them to be! This true for me when I comes to Matt
Matt's right about RUclips comments being a cesspool but they're still good fun
all life started in a cesspool.
One thing that I certainly appreciate about Dillahunty is that he consistently works to make his arguments comprehensible, and most of the arguments presented are so confusing until he speaks and clears up what the other party is saying.
Another great Guest appearance by Matt Dilly. I follow him wherever he goes. Keep it up Matt!!!
Do you really prefer Superman that much over Batman?
I've reached a point with Christians now... that if they say they don't credit evolution, I just can't take them seriously anymore. The genetic record, the fossil record, the recent studies with fast breeding animals that created new sub species incapable of interbreeding... and so on. Anyone who says they don't credit evolution to me just seems to be some armchair, internet fed professor who thinks a few weeks reading blogs is the same as a lifetime of study from millions of different people finding the same results.
I mean, even the HIV virus mutate, isn't THAT evolution?!
I'm so sick of the argument from design. How can someone who thinks everything they encounter is designed believe that they are so good at telling the difference between design and non design ?
I agree with them. I just point out that nature is an awesome designer. Remember, it's call INTELLIGENT design. That farces them to show intelligence was behind the design.
Dilahunty: I'm still waiting to get beyond something beyond 'Ifs'; "If God exists," and "If he did this," and "If he did that." And then what? What is the 'then' to your list of 'Ifs'?
Deist: Well, if... um... If you have, if we see... then, uh, ahem, excuse me... then, uh... Sorry, you kinda derailed me there... (nervous laughter).
I'm mildly concerned that that last guy is a structural engineer.
As long as you remember that math is a secular conspiracy, you'll be fine.
How many times have his arguments been debunked and how many years ago ....blimey .... Arguing from ignorance .... I dont know and neither do you so therefore god
It's almost enough to make me pray every time I cross a bridge. Almost.
There's such a thing as "trial and error," which could be equivocated to natural selection. If the"design" works, then it will succeed and be improved upon in subsequent models.
Why this has not occurred to him, I don't know.
very suitable picture
Q: Why are you an atheist?
A: Because I'm not convinced that god or gods exist. Next!
Good point, but I am always interested in listening to the journey of atheists who were once Christians. I mean if it was that simple letting go of god would never have been so entertaining. "I was a Christian then I let go of god. The end"
Why do not the Theist show their evidence.. instead of arguing their opinions.. The debate would not only be theirs to win, but it would confirm to the world that their particular view, of their particular god, is true and real. It is as if they know they have nothing... but word play.
They do know that. That's why they have to do verbal gymnastics and try to find flaws in scientific models because they have nothing but a fiction book by unknown authors.
Eddie TheAtheist The evidence for Christianity hangs upon the case for Christ and his mission; life, death and Resurrection. Disprove that and atheists win! PS The evidence for Christianity is everywhere. Atheists just don’t want to find it.
@@maralvor - Unfortunately.. There is no tangible evidence that Christ existed. Only Legend, myth, and claims.. I.E. Hearsay. No pictures. No statues in that era. No written works done my this Christ. There are more stories of heroism and greatness of Hercules than the Christ.
Sorry for being the one who had to tell you this.
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That is also a 'Claim' that is in correct.
An ancient Jewish worshiper would never make a statue of Jesus at any rate. It would have been synonymous with idolatry. Greeks, Romans and others were replete with statues of there Rulers because they viewed them as gods.
But in a opposing vein, Socrates is argued to not have ever been a real person because he never wrote anything, in spite of the fact they have statues. How do we know he exist?
Well...🤔...his impact on the philosophical mind. Jesus' existence is well attested from enemies and followers a like. But anything historical can be denied just for the sake of denying. It's quite....for a lack of better words....childish.
@@yamabushiwarrior996 - There is no tangible evidence that Christ existed. Only Legend, myth, and claims.. I.E. Hearsay. That goes for Socrates as well.. and should not be worshipped or argued that he existed. You.... just played yourself. Try again?
Oh man this show was so good then I had to hear the same old anti evolution parts again. Matt handles things so well. I envy that skill.
Goddamn, if your question takes over a minute to ask, then it's probably not a good question.
PieInTheSky Okay here's the truth! We are AI created by the universe. I know it sounds weird but we can upload to our own virtual space with scientific understanding . No God is necessary because God is a program and test from the universe we must not fall for.
Snickers are great when dunked in hot tea.
MATT DILLAHUNTY for president!!!!!!!
yetisuncle Too late, God has already chosen Donald J Trump, for that honor.
mrtadreamer Kind of shows Matt's chances in this age :/
did god also choose all world leaders? r only trump?
'Hunty for '20
They are not “Design Theorists.” At BEST, they are “Design Hypothesists.” Using Theorist smuggles in that Intelligent Design is a Theory in the scientific sense.
2:57:54 dude gets hopelessly lost trying to keep up with Dillahunty.. love it
Why didn't he get lost at 2:48:14?
I meant that as a joke based on what he was saying at your time stamp. I realized when I checked the time stamp I made up randomly that he was stuttering confusedly, and it might look like I was asking a real question.
Dude gets lost all the fucking time it would seem. if, if, if, if.... then goes on to smile like a fool.
2:18:10 "Agree to disagree" on whether or not mutations happen?
I wish Matt would have pushed this guy to his limit....which wouldn't have taken much.
This was hilarious. That bloke came on and made the most ridiculous, idiotic, hyperbolic, over-reachingly ignorant statements that evolution is essentially impossible, and Matt responds with 'so genetic mutation doesn't happen?'....caller: 'errr, well, errm...I think we can agree to disagree...errm, I'll ask a different question' (i.e 'quick, change the subject!!') :-)
the engineer at the end is so daft that he doesn't realize that Matt just defined universe creating pixies into existence (with no justification), just like the engineer does for god (just like all Christians do). These apologists are so moronic
It disgusts me to hear that Matt was brought up as a child to think he would burn in hell if he wasn't saved!
Of the many reasons I have to honesty say I hate religion, this would be one of the best!
(It's the ideas I hate not the people!)
Yes, the people are victims. The scriptures are the focus of my dislike.
Wait... doesn't the atheist believe when we die, that's it? We're just maggot food? They don't believe in the soul and what happens to it when our mortal bodies give out. We will just cease to be in their view, right?
Atheist mom conversation with her kid:
K: Mommy what happens when I die?
M: well honey nothing. Your body goes into the ground and well that's it.
K:......ok
Isn't that disgusting?
Hell is literally separation from God.
If Christians are wrong and atheists are correct, then I guess it doesn't really matter because we'll just cease to be.
However, when we are at the end of life and turns out we are standing in the presence of God, would the atheist accept him? I don't even think it's eternally too late at that point. I don't know the workings of God and the extent of his grace, but my question would be if (yes I know y'all don't like the word "if" here) if you were face to face with the Existing One, would you WANT to be with him forever?
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Yep reality is tough, and yes I've already had the conversation with my children.
It makes you focus even more on our mortality and the need to look after yourself and make the most of your life!
Would I want to spend eternity with a moral monster?
NO!
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Do I also want to live in an entirely fabricated world of fantasy and mythology, without the slightest grounding in reality, designed to control and suppress?
NO!
I seriously don’t understand this obsession of theists with knocking down evolution, no matter how many times you explain to them, that that is NOT the reason why people don’t believe in god. And also how many times do we have to repeat, evolution says NOTHING about the origin of life!
Ah, they tried to make it look like a sad video with the original picture and the title. My bet is that they bank on the fact that hearing an atheist pour his heart out about why he doesn't believe what theists believe is unappealing.
Apologetics Academy shouldn't have taken Matt Dillahunty on. He's a high risk voice for a party trying to keep the faith.
haha oh wow..
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Is Matt Dillahunty too disturbing for you?
Perhaps his approach is the correct one and religion really is a load of baloney!
a. y I'm an atheist. There seems to be a miscommunication between me and you if that was your response.
Ah apologies. . and congratulations!
Notice how this show has the most views of any Apologetics Academy videos......
Pngiaca
it's all the groupies
Its because the rest of the videos aren't worth watching.
This might be Matt at his best.
The intelligence of the callers is a HUGE factor in that.
So often he is forced to suffer the ramblings of fools, it can make him quite... snippy, and who can blame him? At least these callers have (some fucking) brains in their heads.
I do appreciate that Jonathan allows secular scholars, and non-theist on his show… I think that's pretty cool...
Matt: I'm tired of hearing 'if'. What is the 'then' to your lists of 'ifs'?
Bald Man: 'If...sorry, you derailed me' :-)
Turns out his conclusion to the list of ifs was another if
Why do theists even bother trying to debate?
The problem I see with saying the formation of protein structures can't occur by evolution but only by God (intelligent design) is you're not talking about what caused it (whether it was God or evolution), you're talking about HOW whatever caused it did so.
The Objection is HOW evolution caused it. But if you're talking about the HOW then you have to talk about HOW God formed them as well.
HOW did God create protein structures? HOW did God create DNA? What the Christian is offering as the explanation is not an explanation at all.
I mean in the bible it says "God formed the man out of the dust of the ground, and blew into his nostrils the breathe of life, and the man became a living soul (being)."
But HOW does that work? HOW does breathing into the nostrils of a dust sculpture make the dust turn into living cells with DNA, HOW does that form complex protein structures?
Offering God as an explanation, is not actually offering an explanation at all, because nobody knows HOW God does these things they are saying he did.
If you ask the question of HOW your house came to exist, would me saying a person built it answer that question? NO.
The question was HOW it came to exist, not who or what caused it to exist.
For the question to actually be answered I'd have to tell you HOW the person built the house. I have to tell you, "he cleared away the ground and leveled the plot of land, he poured and leveled a foundation, he put up the framing, he put in pipes and wiring, he hung drywall, etc..."
That is explaining HOW the house came to exist (how it came to be). Just telling you a person did it doesn't explain HOW they did it, so it doesn't explain HOW the house came to exist.
But Christians don't give the HOW, they just give the WHO. Which tells us nothing about HOW life came to exist. So it is not an explanation. In order for it to tell us HOW life came to exist, you have to explain HOW his powers work to make life, and that is the part Christians completely skip over, so they are not really offering an explanation at all.
When as a theists I disliked propaganda and as an atheist I dislike propaganda ...infomercials...that sort of thing. Also logical fallacies make me roll my eyes. Personal experiences I am more likely to listen rather than trolling repetitive parroted stuff I already know. Though I don't expect everyone to actually care or understand.
Cher monsieur Matt Dillahunty
sir, you are simply incredible, and you educate me every time i follow you on your You Tube videos.
Sound arguments, as well as lots of patience.
I laughed with this very common example of "" I believe what a believe because of my one big experience i had with the supernatural, here god!!"
and responding with:
-what are the reasons that brought you to believe in the way you do.....these are????
and this has more weight when there are no sound reasons but just faith
all topped with a person might be found not guilty as there is no evidence to prove him being guilty but no reasonable evidences were brought forward doing that.
thank you very much as this is the best way forward for anything with a doubt...
merci pierre
fumbling must be fun for the last apologist, he does it for a very long time...from very soon after his zero point...
I hoped you like it!
It was interesting.
I thought apologetics was a kinda insult from atheists but it seems to be a real religious thing I’m dumbfounded they can even continue to argue about anything in that way
Thank God Matt escaped from that cult.
I know I did too fuck church nuts I was abused by churches even when I did nothing that was considered a sin aka breaking this so called gods laws but even then I was screamed at by this maniac your going to hell now as an adult if I was my age I am now I would have told that guy go fuck yourself all I saw at church was hypocritical Looney's abusing others and trying to brainwash they way you live and think no thanks anymore lol
Haha I have a green anaconda. She spends more than half her Life in the water. She's going to be 18 feet and over 200 lbs some day and she's getting an 11foot x6 foot enclosure with a 6 foot x 6 foot pond. If anyone wants to see a swimming snake check her out haha. But just for the record I have 5 snakes and none of them talk. But i do see theists kill snakes and fear snakes because of the Bible when snakes are more important to the planet than humans. And that's sad
''Science is the single most consistently reliable method...'' Matt's favorite phrase 😂
This guy at 2:13:00 is just insufferable...
You weren't kidding. He puts the suffer in insufferable.
What a winning smile
Im not athiest for any deep reason. Ive always been athiest. And ive met people with a thousand diff magic beliefs. Everything from worshiping different gods to healing crystals, to scientology. And none ive ever heard sounded any more convincing than the rest. Christians and muslims sound the same to me as girls believing in astrology or someone worshiping Thor.
If something is outside of space and time, how could it ever be proven to exist?
It cannot. That's their cop-out. But the thing is, if it does not react within our space and time, then they are claiming they can detect the undetectable which is further absurdity. It is just like the invisible dragon in my garage that cannot be detected though I am positive that it is there. Ridiculousness.
anonymous johnson proven is a pretty strong word. If the universe began to exist, and the science suggests that it did, something had to bring it into existence. Assuming that you agree that things can't just pop into existence uncaused . Since matter, space and time are a part of the universe whatever brought it into existence be bound by that Realm of existence. Therefore it is outside of space-time matter and energy as we know it. It's an inference to the best explanation. Not necessarily proof. And to say that we just don't know what it is so there's no reason to believe a God did it is just a naturalism of the gaps argument.
@@coachmarc2002 That's illogical.
Ya bro it's literally Looney tunes haha
"God existed when time wasn't, in a place which isn't!"
To the self-consciousness-issue:
Can somebody give me a coherent definition for what this even is?
I mean, I get that this is currently a huge issue for many people (even though I don't see the issue). However it seems like it is just something the theist brings up, because it's a topic we don't have all the answers to yet... and even worse, where we don't even have a proper definition, therefore by necessity we can't possibly have a scientific model to explain it (you cannot "explain" something in scientific terms, if you don't have a proper definition). It's kind of a "god of the gaps" argument, where the theist knows that most of our answers are "We don't know", but people FEEL, simply intuitively, that there must be some deep, ground-breaking explanation.
So... any definition? Any real "concept" that we even can discuss?
And as the cherry on top: Any EVIDENCE that the thing you are refering to is linked to something supernatural?
Amazing video
Had to skip the twit. Could he produce a more exaggerated received pronunciation? Maybe drawl it out a bit more. It didn’t hide the vagueness or his incomplete thought process.
Great great job Matt.
Frodo? Is that you?
Lol I love Lord of the rings
Matt is a certified badass.
High five Matt
I always felt that, like in the pixies example... That a being not being able to control its death and is a counter to the claim amine is needed to be able to create something. Like in the kalam... Since it's based off intuition, How they get to it being a being is because it takes a mind to create something. But in this universe everything dies. So intuition should lead that a God/pixie would probably also have died creating the universe. That it didn't have a control of its death and his death resulted in the universe. And if it's mind was not needed then intuitively we can not then say it needed a mind.
To add... The pixie had no choice of his life expectancy.
Another cool thought... Is if you divided 2 mins in half and continued to divide the result in half... You get infinite time... So an hour in this universe would be 4 hrs in another realm 16 hrs in another realm. 256 hrs.... To Infinite time in a realm. Of course we need evidence and the answer is still I don't know.. Just cool to think about. Kinda a pointer for ppl that say an infinite regress is impossible. We don't know how time works. Plus it's special pleading to say a God can exist like in timelessness as such but exclude a natural force
He seems to be inspired by Zeno's paradoxes (greek philosopher from a few hundred years BCE), or at least my first thought when I read the above was that of his Achilles and Tortoise paradox. There's a Wikipedia article on them, if you're interested (the entry is called Zeno's paradoxes).
I was an agnostic turned Atheist LMFAO 🤣😂🤦🏿♂️
I suspect the bald guy knows what Matt is saying but he has to try to backup his nonsense
This video is another example of how religion indoctrination can inhibit an individual's ability to think critically. It throws a monkey wrench in, and it can take years of effort to break free.
2:52:53 Almost feel bad for the guy....wow
So let me get this straight, God had to create the Universe when he did becaue he knew you had to have this conversation at this specific time after he created it?????
looks like the quality of questions were sorted..most coherent to least
I don't believe in any gods. Do you have some scientific evidence that a god exists?
@Heelcather could you explain?
@Heelcather Ok np...GL
A great conversation.
I still find my point of a lack of humility to be devastating to the claims of theists being "humble".
It's not meant to be insulting, but a simple expression of reality.
If you believe that the creator of a 46.5b ly wide universe, and 24.5 million species is your father, expresses *any* concern with how you conduct yourself, and most importantly, that you carry around it's message, and know what it wants...
...then there is no way you can ever claim humility.
It is the epitome of pompacity.
It is the exact vacuum of humility.
There is no scope you can apply that minimizes the arrogance and egotistical stature of the claim.
Um the universe is a lot bigger than 13.5 lightyears wide
You are correct, of course. I juxtaposed approximated age with width.
I have a terrible habit of flipping the two.
Oops!
Ralph Ellis At least you didn't say the whole universe has only existed for about 6000 years ;) LOL
Ugh, for reals, right? Still off when I flip the two by a huge margin of error. Gotta watch that. I actually did so when I asked Matt the question. Embarrassing.
Ralph Ellis "shit happens"
2:37:40
H: "There are multiple challenges to evolutionary theory"
M: "If that's the case, then you should engage conversation with evolutionary biologists"
H: "Which I did by the way"
Cool, where are the results? Studies? What was the outcome of it?
Unless your work about those "challenges" has been thoroughly examined by the scientific community, this has absolutely no compelling value.
This the main and maybe the only reason God believers are wrong. They clam a god exist then try to make all the pieces of science fit their belief sorry we look to were the facts lead us not the other way
HUGE DISAGREEMENT @1:25:25
Humans are the best long distance runners! :P
There are several other animals that will compete with humans in long distance. Researching the claim was interesting. I don't think the typical American gets to include themselves in this claim either. I bet Matt's ass couldn't do a 1/4 mile run.
Fully agree that the average American could NOT go a full day of constant running, but ultra-marathon runners aren't exactly non-american, and even the idea of how far and how fast that pace is can boggle anyone's mind!
I brought this fact up as it ties in well with this false notion that evolution isn't a thing. Our ancestors, who were moving away from quadrupedal walking to being bipeds managed to conserve calories and energy from less motion (walking instead of sauntering) and therefore able to spend less energy on hunting and gathering to spending more time reproducing. Yet when we look at the human skeleton we see all the remnants of an animal that once walked on all fours.
Regardless of all that, I've always wanted to disagree with Matt on something, sure I could kick his butt at a 1/4 mile run but I want to be able to reason as well he can.
My 14-week-old puppy could beat any human, in any foot-race, at any distance. And just be playing! She'd never even know she was racing!
The answer to the question that Matt was looking for in his last conversation right before the end is this. A necessary and sufficient cause cannot exist without the effect also existing unless the cause has personal agency and can decide when to cause the effect. The universe creating pixie would have to have the property of personal agency. At that point you're describing the Christian view of God so there's no point in changing the name to a Universe creating pixie. Also a necessarily existent being is only necessarily existent if his nonexistence is impossible.
sorry to sound rude.. i know Matt does not like it........but what the hell- these guys all look same to me.... the may be a very nice good , kind, honest men, yet they all look same.....not all of them, but vast majority...........am i imagining this?
Yes
They always have to go for a biogenesis because evolution already destroyed the god Theory so they have to move it back.
Roman T you're putting the cart before the horse. Without an explanation for the origin of the information that is required for evolution to occur you can't really justify that Evolution naturally occurs.
coachmarc2002 No without an absolute answer towards abiogenesis speaks nothing towards the theory of evolution because once you have those building blocks for life everything makes sense regarding evolution and there is no other competing Theory. Once abiogenesis maybe is able to be answered creationists Will be moved into a smaller pocket and will probably just argue from the beginning of the universe. Science explains God doesn't explain anything.
coachmarc2002 you can justify evolution because there is multiple branches in science that back it up 100%
That's your opinion and your entitled to it. At least give you props for being polite about it . What it really boils down to is that my worldview allows for an outside intelligence to be involved in the design that theists call obvious and atheists call apparent. The type of information in DNA that is required for life to get started had to come from somewhere. Theists say God is the source of the information and instructions that DNA gives for the building of proteins and other molecular machines required for a single cell to survive and replicate itself. An atheist can't allow for an outside intelligence to be involved so they suppress their own ability to Intuit design in what they see around them in the world and the specified complex information that science demonstrates is in the genome. An atheist must believe that that type of information arose from a non intelligent source. That being matter just laying around someplace assembled itself into a living self-replicating organism. My opinion is that it takes a lot more faith to believe that than to believe that there is an intelligent God directing everything.
coachmarc2002 I think when it comes to science whether someone is an atheist or Theist should have no bearing. When scientists look at the anything they have never come across anything pointing to an outer intelligence, good scientists aren't bias in that they have to hold onto a belief in atheism. Faith is only held in high regard in religion and creationists have to put that on atheists in that way to make a false equivalency because science doesn't take faith it has evidence for the things it observes. Did you listen to Matt during this or any other time is pretty good at explaining things.
@1:23:15 ish... I think the visible universe is like 92 billion light years across given the expansion of space an all. And, since we can't see all of it specifying visible is necessary.
The Bible in part is a great study in disbelief. In its narrative from Adam through to the killing of Jesus Christ and till the second advent of Jesus Christ belief and non-belief are one of its main themes.
2:29:00 That is just begging the question. Information is associated
with intelligence, but intelligence is associated with DNA that contains
information. You skipped the part that all known intelligence is human
intelligence, and humans are made by DNA. So, you can't use your
historical abductive method, because that method should you lead to the
conclusion that people made DNA who are made by DNA. You just assume
that there is some other intelligence that made DNA that makes people,
hence you already assume what you ought to prove. Your Apologetics
Academy is riddled with logical fallacies.
wow, religious people making logical fallacies. what a fucking surprise.
Erwin Müller nobody claimed that humans made DNA you knucklehead. They claim that intelligence is required for DNA. It's pretty obvious that the intelligence would mean God not humans. Therefore your circularity argument is bogus.
coachmarc2002 no, that's the thing you moron. It's not "obvious" that the intelligence in question is god. "Historical abductive" method relies on - gasp! - history, i.e. things that we know already happened. We know humans have happened, and they have intelligence. Therefore, if you are to claim that intelligence is required for creating the DNA, the prime (and really, _only_ ) candidate for this spot is humans, not god. God isn't anywhere to be found in history, and to assume him as the "obvious" answer *is* a fallacy.
Out of my misery that's one of the dumbest things that I've ever heard. How could Human intelligence be responsible for the information in DNA when we need DNA to exist? Really? You can't be that stupid.
coachmarc2002 you don't really grasp the concept of a "fallacy", do you?
If, if, if...if. And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Grow up.
i am, in fact, unconvinced in regards of the existence of god. (a fact that was still ungotten three hours later n later)
they say i am lyn. i am sure about god. also, my fave color is aquamarine. i must not denie this.
because i supress the fact being spastically posessed by the devil, which would prove god to exist also. ruclips.net/video/NtTDseSjX2Y/видео.html
What is wrong with these stupid commenters who only insult people & can't think of anything useful to say?
Just what is “The Christian World View? There are so many distinct differences between the different “brands” of Christianity, it all adds up to a whole lot of B.S. to me!!!
I can't believe Mat was convinced by Bart Erhman that that Jesus did in fact exist .. based on the weak evidence Erhman brought to the table in his debate with Dr. Robert Price...I'm very disappointed.
Jesus not existing would completely destroy Christianity but it's likely something that's not going to ever be proven.he's always been willing to accept that Jesus was a historical figure or was based on multiple historical figures I don't really see it as that big of a deal.because even if there was a historical Jesus that doesn't confirm the existence of a God and it does not confirm the supernatural claims of Jesus in any way.
How is Salvador a part-time biologist at NIH? Grad student, huh? First year Grad Student maybe? But seriously, already went through Org-Chem. and does not understand how to science? Only one Universe we can see, therefor God...very well thought out.
Well, I thought this was great. I think Apologetics Academy provided some very intelligent people for Dillahunty. I keep seeing articles about theists that turned from atheism, but their arguments are infantile which shows that people can have an opinion of a matter for bad reasons, and then switch to another opposite opinion for equally bad reasons. I think the people who publish those articles are having issues finding people of great intellect, unlike Apologetics Academy which seemed to have many intellectuals to choose from -- maybe the USA is just intellect poor.
I think your standards are exceedingly low. I wouldn't qualify any of the apologists here as "intelligent." Repeatedly coming to erroneous conclusions due to an unwillingness to think critically is not a hallmark of intelligence.
I think you are engaging in hyperbole by saying they are not intelligent -- plus this would depend on a very narrow definition of intelligence. If intelligence is defined as never arriving at erroneous conclusions, then intelligent life does not exist on earth. These people have a great deal against them in arriving at what we would consider the correct conclusion, and I think that if we were in their same position, we may very well have fallen prey to their conclusion as well. Intelligence: The ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills. Even with this definition of intelligence, I would tend to say these people presented are very intelligent, compared to some swamp-rat somewhere cloistered within a like-minded community of bible thumpers where the ONLY education considered worthy, is an education in what a religious leader says that a religious text says. Even though I disagree with your assessment, I do find it very interesting that all over the world, people of all levels of "intelligence" come to god and supernatural beliefs as they fall victim to human biases and the errant employment of critical thinking skills -- this is what really interests me. People that come to diametrically opposing conclusions, especially in the internet age with so much content to be skeptical about. I do not think any of us have any special natural immunity to coming to wrong conclusions. I consider these people presented to be of high caliber, compared to many in the United States that I have seen engage in mouth-breathing biblical nincompoopery.
DoorknobHead
*If intelligence is defined as never arriving at erroneous conclusions, then intelligent life does not exist on earth*
I wish you wouldn't misrepresent me so blatantly.
*if we were in their same position, we may very well have fallen prey to their conclusion as well*
Most atheists WERE in their same position. These people should know better.
My purpose was not to misrepresent you with that statement, but to hopefully demonstrate by going down that path that intelligence might not be the issue here. It may have been Michael Shermer that I saw recently that referred to a report stating that people with more intelligence can better justify their reasons for their belief (not that they are ultimately viable reasons, though), therefore religious Apologetics; therefore groups such as Apologetics Academy! I think decently executed Apologetics may be a sign of intelligence, while "...cause the bible tells me so..." or other forms of accepting other peoples word on a subject without thinking about the subject for themselves might be a sign of less intelligence or at least a sign of a lack of a willingness to engage the mind. The amazing part, is these people that continually engage in apologetics with atheists on the speaking circuits, and have been given all the access to all the arguments and still arrive at supernatural conclusions. I think there is something else afoot here -- some genetic trait in humans that allows them to hold two separate impossible-to-exist-at-the-same-time conclusions when faced with extraordinarily better arguments. My take is that survival of early human did not require understanding the facts of reality correctly, but instead to understand things which, even though they are not true, still helped in the survival and success of that early human.
I agree, they should know better, but once again, it is fascinating that they seem to not know better or possess some mental barrier that is so hard to impregnate. It is amazing to me how humans have this amazing failing (but in a primitive natural world, is it really a failing?). How does all that work? What verifiable facts might explain these emergent properties of the mind. Maybe it will take serious global long term scientific and academic study to find out the answers with efforts such as what the University of Miami is apparently trying to do with its new Chair for the Study of Atheism.
DoorknobHead
The most intelligent theists shut the fuck up because they know full well that they can't defend their beliefs.
These people think they have a case. All they have is dishonesty.
Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles. So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie.
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@@terryboot7777 JESUS LOVES YOU my friend! The truth will set YOU FREE! but only if you want...the choice is entirely up to YOU! thank you for the little funny face, so i could engage you in conversation! let's talk
oh hi, thank you for your comments and questions. To answer one of your questions very simply, what is the truth...well Jesus is the Truth. Everything about Jesus is the truth, all that Jesus said and did truth...Jesus is the complete embodyment of truth...walking living truth. Not one single bit of Jesus is anything but truth, right down to the core. I'd like to think that most of what i think is true but i know better, i know that there are things that i think that are not all true...what those things are, i am not sure of yet...but as i go along and look to God to know what is true, i learn along the way.
I did not just read the Bible and believe it for no reason...it is not a shallow belief in something because i read it in a book or because some people said it is true...because i'd say more people say the Bible is untrue more than the people who know it is true.
I know it is true because of miraculus events in my life and the most signifigent one was not long after i cried out to God and prayed to God to forgive me of my sin...telling God i was so very sorry for the all the bad things i had done and that i did not want to do any bad things ever again along side that was my faith in Jesus beleiving that Christ, Jesus had died for my sins and that i could be forgiven.
And low and behold maybe about a week or two after i prayed ernestly to God...the miraculous happened and it just so happened at my Grandmothers funneral...and i had no idea this was going to happen...not even the slightest idea...but Jesus came in the Spirit and baptised me in the Holy Spirit and in an instand i felt all my sins washed away, forgiven, cleansed and this weight of guilt that i was carrying lifted off of my shoulders that i had no idea that guilt could even have a weight but it does and it can...but this weight that i had no idea that i had on me...that i was carrying was instantly lifted and i felt a Holy Presence...and this Holy presence came into me...and witnessed to me, told me that it is the Holy Spirit that is in me...the Spirit of God, His Holy Spirit told me and i could feel Him and still can and still do and also i was filled with JOY AND PEACE AND LOVE and my whole body was tinggly inside and out and i felt so light that i felt like i was going to lift right off of the floor in front of everyone...i didn't mind you but i think i could have and someday i will when Jesus comes back. After this happened to me...when i was reading the Bible i found out what happened to me was in the Bible...that Gid gives people the Holy Spirit...i found out after i received it...and after that i was filled with love for everyone...a deep sense of love for every person. Many many things have happened since then and many miraculous events that can not just be explained away but chance. You may find this hard to believe when i tell you that i know that i know the truth! And how do i know, because God has revealed the truth to me with certainty and you too can know what is true...befor that i did not know if God even existed...nor could i know, nor can anyone because it is sin that seperates people from God and that makes them blind and in darkness because of sin and they can not figure it out in their mind. Because to know God it is through the heart by the Holy Spirit because God is Spirit ans truth and light and life, Holy and pure. You can come into a relationship with God through Christ...God wants to bring you out of darkness and death and into the light and life forever with Him as an adopted Child of God...A wonderful position to be in and it is all a free gift from God because God is love...nothing we can do to earn it or deserve it...God provides everything...Such a wonderful Father...God is so good to us...and we get to choose to embrace all the goodness of God or regect God for evil...you get to choose my friend and God will even help you choose and find the Way to Him and He is even calling you right now in Jesus name amen
@Psicólogo Miguel Cisneros well no, your experience will most likely not be exactly the same, but will have similarities. Well pretty much, if you truly are sorry, and you go to God and confess, and if you have the desire to live for God, with faith in Jesus. God will know if you are serious or not about this, your motives and such...if you are genuine about it, God will receive you. Simple child-like faith, it is not complicated, God knows and sees your heart.
@Psicólogo Miguel Cisneros oh okay, interesting; i was wondering what was going on with you and your specific line of questioning...now i know.
There are some things about your story, your dream that make me think that it was not Jesus. Like for one, you being scared, to death even and then when you asked a question, you did not get an answer strait away. Jesus would know "Who" you meant. Honestly, it sounds like a demonic action, trying to keep you away from a true encounter with Christ.
I think if it was Jesus, you would have had an overwhelming sense of peace and love, and felt a Holy presence, and you would not be scared;
but the last part, the beam of light and the feeling of "ascending up", now that sounds like JESUS, bringing YOU UP AND OUT of death, the pit and out of the presence of demons.
I feel like the Holy Spirit is bearing witness to me this; the beginning of your dream was demonic, but then Jesus came and brought you out!
This it think is really good news, it looks like YOU ARE GOING TO BE A CHILD OF GOD, if you are not already!
Just keep seeking after God, after Jesus and God will reveal to you the answer to the questions you are having and will confirm with you, if you are His! And if you are not yet born-again just keep pressing in towards God, until you are; with faith in Jesus. The Holy Spirit will guide you!
If baby's lived forever in baby form would you think something supernatural was going on????
Matt... WTF!
No...I would probably try to seek out an explanation that make's sense...
But wouldn't that negate the possibility of god???
No..............
I win!!!
Imagine if it was a pixy with an exploding head! lol who needs science... :)
Josh has an irritating voice and I hope he loses some of that veiled arrogance as he matures. Please, don't start and restart your sentences five times before finally producing a coherent sentence. And why thrust yourself into the conversation when you haven't heard the first half? Matt explained his position very thoroughly at the start.
Sorry, I've listened to this video twice now and Josh's voice and inept argumentation annoyed me more and more. He does seem intelligent enough to understand these complex logical arguments, but his head is full of apologist misinformation. Everything he said seemed to be regurgitations of other people's fallacies. I didn't feel he was engaging his mind with anything Matt said - he was simple readying his next soundbite.
Sorry Josh, I know I sound mean. I suspect you are the product of religious indoctrination. Why not read some non-apologist philosophy and natural sciences (protein chemistry is amazing!). You will then be better equipped to see the flaws in the indoctrination and won't need shoehorn apologist arguments into these discussion on the fly. That approach doesn't help you understand anything.
just this kids photo thats up so much on this...he looks shady,that con- artist look on his face...just a punk
Yes sir Matt "derailed" you, (as you admitted) why? because you have no answer(s) and you know it. if, if, if?????? C'mon Man! Wake up!!!!!!....
That is probably the most well mannered black young man I've ever seen and heard
Racist
+LogosTheos Not even in the least
Can't have seen or heard many black guys then.
If only old white guys could be so well behaved . . . .
Christianity is true. What isn't true is the existence of god/s.
1:01:45 hmmm.. No.
Such a shame so many clever dudes waste so much time & so many brain cells on such a bunch of nonsense!
You sure put a lot of effort into not believing in something.
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Humankind had been creating religions and gods for over 250,000 years. Christian in all its flavors is another created mythology. present your god, or your god doesn't exist.
Syner Genetics
Yes agree. Their gods must show up and introduce himself In person. They all refer to books of having (blind) faith.
Jesus said its because men love the darkness (to hide their sin) rather than the light. I believe Jesus over Matt any day.
I believe in Santa Claus. I believe Santa over Jebus!
Matt will never face incontrovertible scientific evidence for the existence for God. Science literally destroys atheism.
Hahaha you're delusional. NOTHING in science confirms a god. Literally nothing. That's why a majority of the world's scientists are athiests. And the ones that aren't don't use science to get to their theism because they can't. If God was provable by sciencethese discussions, instead of presenting scientific evidence, the theists use argument from ignorance, circular reasoning, god of the gaps,and provide no actual evidence. Matt continues to absolutely annihilate the theorist position and point all the holes and flaws in it.theists wish that science could prove God because they wouldn't continue to get their asses handed to them in debates or have to stoop to word salad bulshit to try and lure people down a rabbit hole to stop the conversation dead. You need to open a different book because your brain is polluted
oh and atheism is nothing more than saying I am not convinced a God exists. So how is that a position that can be destroyed?it's not a positive claim unless you are taking the hard atheist position which is completely separate from the majority of atheists including the bulk of atheist organizations across the world. So even in that situation science would not destroy atheism science would give atheists a reason to accept theism which it's still has not done.Theism has not met its burden of proof and the arguments have not gotten any better. This science has not pointed towards a God. That's why the most popular arguments are fallacies.
@@thickerconstrictor9037 said, "oh and atheism is nothing more than saying I am not convinced a God exists. So how is that a position that can be destroyed?"
The same way science destroys you when saying you are not convinced a round earth exists.
I like matt and think he's an outstanding citizen also I wonder what his iq is mine is 145 or higher
In response, the Presence of the Holy Spirit is felt and has been experienced by many and of course myself included. The power of God and the presence of God exceeds the natural understanding of man because God is infinite and sadly Matt is Attempting to bring down an infinite God to his level without desiring to look to God the way God has said.Jesus Christ is the Eternal Son of God and the record and amount of Testimonies about Christ healing,appearing etc are amazing. Have I seen Jesus? Yes. Do I expect an atheist to understand? No.The atheist is not consistent in their worldview as I posted on my video but regardless of Matt's view Matt must look to Jesus Christ if he ever wants a starting point...not towards men who claim knowledge but have no explanations for the spiritual things that do happen.Healing, demon possession,etc...some people may not believe but if you research there are numerous accounts that the atheists choose to just ignore...facts that the atheists desire are called facts....facts that don't "fit" go out....at the end of it Matt is trying to be God because He wants the authority of his life etc....but you can not Experience true peace without Christ.Peace
Pls give some evidential sources pls
+LuciousRage
You need to look to Jesus for Yourself...why do you follow a man to tell you about God? why don't you look to God for yourself? Jesus Christ is the Eternal Son of God....look to Him and stop following a man who is spiritually blind. Do you really want to base your life on another person's view?Look to Jesus for yourself.
Onnie, dude, take your fucking medication.
+MarCuseusFX
You have pride.You guys worship your mind and act as if you have perfect knowledge, take a dose of humility
Actually we distrust human minds because of the flaws evolution has put into it. That is why we apply science and its need for evidence, to overcome the limits of our minds.
In the first five minutes he speaks about his experience growing up in the church, misapprehends what the Bible has to say and never has any real understanding of the freedom that was his to claim. One really must wonder what was at work in his mind and heart through this time.
At 14:43, barely 15 minutes into his talk, Dillahunty says that he has "no evidence" that any god exists.
It's at this point that one must consider whether any rational person should pay any further attention. Does he really mean to say that of the thousands of experts in the fields of physics, biology, astronomy, Biblical studies, hermeneutics, archeology, linguistics, history, ancient culture and language, etc. etc., etc. that Matt Dillahunty, who claims to have studied religion for over a decade, cannot find one single fact that might bear some weight? Absolutely zero evidence? Is there any credible person alive who can honestly say that? This represents more than just a closed mind; something else is at work here.
For me, this says all I need to know. There's really no point in listening further...
--William Brown MD
William Brown what Matt normally means when he says "no evidence" is "no good evidence" and I agree with him.
He is spending his life defending what he doesn't believe in, and ya'll think he is smart! Must be financially a gain. The prosperity preachers evil cousin!
Matt uses the word belief and believe wrong
How so?
David Heffron
To believe or have a belief is to accept something as true without any evidence. You believe when you take something as truth based on trust or you simply don't have enuff knowledge on the matter, so you fill in the gaps with whatever you feel is right.
Faith is unreasonable belief: Its when you continue to believe in something even when substantial and solid evidence has been presented against that belief.
That's why WHERE THERES EVIDENCE, THERE IS NO NEED TO BELIEVE OR BELIEFS....YOU SIMPLY KNOW.
To know is to accept something as true, because you were presented with solid and testable evidence.
YOU KNOW BECAUSE YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF....
therefore, one cannot have good reason to believe, just be trusting or have lack of knowledge of 'X'
David Heffron he's not the only one that does that. it's a common misconception.
hope that helps
DR. BLUE Thanks for clarifying. However I believe you're incorrect.
Knowledge is a subset of belief.
David Heffron
you can't believe in 'X' and know that 'X' is true or false at the same time.
Me for example: I used to believe in Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, etc...
currently I know they don't exist. When I was a child I tried to gather evidence that supported my belief. Turns out, all I found was evidence against my belief.
people used to believe the earth was flat and the center of the universe. It's common
KNOWLEDGE that that's not the case. there is solid evidence that proves it's round.
Beliefs are only presents when there's lack of knowledge.
I currently believe in many things, but trust me if good evidence is discovered against it I'll stop believing, or if the evidence supports my belief, then good for me I guess.
Just my Two cents, no beef good Sir.
And notice you said ' I don't believe you are correct. Don't refute with things your not sure of. do it with thing you know are true (evidence).
Feel sad for Matt. He does not know what is going to happen to him. He needs to get his heart straightened out.
Renegade Douglas You're so painfully stupid
What is going to happen? How do you prove or demonstrate that?
Way to talk down to someone who has come to a different conclusion than you.
I learned a lot from watching this. Real cool
we don't care matt
Matt, we don't care about Chris P.
But you care enough to comment. Sad.
TheBay12345 No one asked for your 5 cents
And no one asked for your stupid comment.
@@chrisp7336 who asked for yours?
Jesus is the truth.
+GE90115B I clearly have an evidence to back it up. If you don't mind, I can give it you.
Ephraim Hills -- Please give us your evidence (asked on 7/26/16).
@@ephraimhills9050 please
So beautiful, amazing, lovely, wonderful. Much Blessings to you. Thanks for sharing, Lord-Jesus-Christ com