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So cool to hear Derek loves Python! 🐍 I started programming because I read his book Anything You Want. And emailed Derek asking for advice on a website. He was more than helpful. I started learning programming after his email and now I teach programming to ~200,000+ people worldwide. Thank you so much for creating and sharing Derek.
I adore Derek Sivers - I think the world would be a better place if we put him in charge! He just radiates joy in everything and that's a very rare quality.
I read "hell yeah or no" and I became a big Derek Sivers fan. I, then, listened to the last podcast that you had with him at his house, and now this one. I love the fact that Derek lives his life in his own terms! Thank you for bringing him back on!
Halfway through this podcast and @ the part about his NZ pad. Feeling not so 'crazy' after all, as I'm a woman who was offered a tiny space in a nice area south of Santa Cruz. An 8 x 15 detached room w/ a skylight. Adequate closet but no bathroom, kitchen, nor refrigerator. Just access to cold water. 5 min from my gym made it all possible. I'm now moving out after 21 months, and it was truly some of the best sleep quality I've ever had. Safe, simple, and GREATLY illuminating. Will write more about this experience. Thank you Tim and Derek - always uplifting !
The scent of coffee-or gahwa as it is known in the UAE-infused with flavors like cardamom and rose water is one that is deeply associated with Abu Dhabi and the warm welcome you will receive in the emirate. Coffee culture is an important display of hospitality in Emirati society, hailing from the days when Bedouins relied on reciprocal generosity. It is so deeply ingrained in local life that serving it comes with its own set of rituals and etiquette.
Derek is someone I keep in mind when I think, "what would xxx do?". I have a few of them. What I love about Derek is his commitment to communication, he does reply to messages and questions despite being the epitomy of a polymath
I was at that talk in Australia and had breakfast with Derick. One of the most interesting 2 hour conversations I’ve had in my life. Read his books like 3 times each. If you haven’t yet, please give them a read 😊
Interesting effervescent warm funny human being. I particularly enjoyed learning of the revelation of the warmth and generosity of the Arabic culture that he's finding
I listen to the both guys for years already and it always was interesting and positive. But today, in this interview, noticed a stark detail-they talk only about themselves and how they want friends to only use these friends to learn, or for a friend to do the work to point out something to them for them to improve themselves. It was so surreal to notice it and to watch how these positive and good guys talk about friends and people around as only their tool to get something for themselves. They still call them friends but narrative is literally: "I need friends and only those that could help ME". I'm sure these guys aren't too egocentric but there is definitely a level of self centricity and self delusion as to how they treat people around. Wonder how their love and social life works for them and whether they help others in their daily life-not donations etc., but in small things every day.
Thanks for pointing that out. I could imagine Tim and Derek help their friends but do not want to talk about publicly as it would seem them too braggy or fake-compassionate. That's just my first thought but I need to think about it more delibartely. I want to post this comment here in order for me to subscribe to your comment.
Always love seeing and listening you guys do an episode. Always of high quality -- Even going further back in 2016 when I first listened to you Tim and Derek. Crazy idea: what if you, Tim, also have Derek on a consistent cadence, like your Random Shows with Kev Kev? That would be awesome for us long-term fans of the pod. :)
I hate the duopoly and the more I learn about it the more I hate it so I don't believe this can apply to all things. But if you hate veganism you should certainly learn more about it 💚🌱
It was a pleasant surprise to hear Rich Hickey's name come up during the conversation. Derek did a great job of summarizing the Simple vs. Easy discussion in Rich's talk. If anyone is interested in exploring the full context the talk is available on RUclips titled "Simple Made Easy" at ruclips.net/video/LKtk3HCgTa8/видео.html -- the talk is a programming talk, but the principles apply far more broadly. Thanks for another fantastic discussion!
I travel to inhabit philosophies 😮 One of the great conversations, why? Cause you guys both love life and are so curious about everything and, just about, anything 🎉
Derek is such an incredible and fascinating human, I had him on my podcast last year and I truly cannot get enough of his work. Tim, you're a mount rushmore guest for me as well.. What has to happen to get you on my pod? Thank you for all you do
I really don't understand his change of opinion on Dubai... it really is all the bad things he said originally. It's full of the worst sort of people (anyone that says they would still live there at a 50% tax rate is lying, they added a tiny corporate tax recently and already pots of people are talking about leaving), its got 0 culture (it was a tiny fishing village with nothing there up until recently), the culture is "new build malls and hotels full of the same internatinal brands you see anywhere in the Western world", it's too hot to walk outside so you have to get taxis everywhere, there's no wildlife or nature, it's like going on vacation to a service station next to a busy highway, and this is ignoring the whole opeessive morality / slave labor of the place... His change of opinion on that really surprised me... Sounds like he just got to stay in a swanky apartment for free, and got exposed to some "exotic" natinalities walking around (whilst sitting in an air conditioned mall, drinking at a starbucks). Dubai COULD have been awesome, but they decided to build Las Vegas with less gambling and alcohol.
Always great to hear what Derek is up to. Listened with interest to his comments on Dubai, and wonder if everything he says would apply to solo female visitors... especially accepting the "generosity" of locals (I've never been to the region). Any thoughts?
Dubai.. and most of the Persian Gulf states built on the sweat, blood, abuse of South Asians (Indians, Paks, B'deshi etc). Have been living or going there from 1970s, every brick, grain of sand for those tuned in can sense the agonizing screams from decades of abuse. The generosity that he talks of from the Emiratis usually reserved and part of the white privilege that he will get to enjoy there.
They're both too smart for this, and are simply pumping out content. Sivers' positivity and curiosity is infectious, he's obviously had some wins and would be interesting to have a beer with. Thought I can't help but notice the apparent learnings just seem like they're grasping to have something wise sounding to say... Plenty of it was laughable: - "I love that I am now cuddling what I used to kill" He still will not like wild rats - they might well bite and might have a disease. He hasn't learned to love them, he's learned to love a totally different thing - a domesticated pet version which is true for anything. He didn't use to kill pet rats, he killed wild ones. To miss that enormous difference before is just silliness, not sudden enlightenment. - Apparently tried Emirati coffee and it totally changed his mind on whether coffee can be a nice drink. Then as a professionally inquisitive guy, learned nothing about what makes it suit his taste buds or anything else about it. - The learning that Emirati/Bedouin culture is about generosity. This was based on stories from third parties being generous in the desert to each other, and a story about a surely very wealthy Saudi connection who let him stay in his unused apartment in the Burj Khalifa. Come on... this is just flippant dilettante tourist BS, it's not interesting or thoughtful. I assume he hasn't looked in to how well the generosity extends to the workers they ship in to build the place. I'm sure there are many wonderful generous people (the same could be said for maybe everywhere you go as a respectful tourist). I know these guys are friends and it's about putting out entertainment, but is this of any quality?
Not all new ideas/observations are correct or completely thought through. Both Derek and Tim are generous and vulnerable enough with the public to share partially baked thoughts with the hope of changing lives and stimulating minds. Your criticisms aren't particularly insightful or useful (I had all three as well).
@@gregbell2117 Fair enough, but I think that's an incredibly charitable view. The fact is it's low quality and aimed at selling another book of similar stuff based on a brand of years ago having some interesting output. Just to add, there is no generosity involved, and there doesn't have to be. Podcasts are very well paid for by ads, and guests by sales of what ever they're selling. It's not a situation where "they're doing it for free, so give them a break" is a valid point
I don't want worker. I know to do business alone is huge. So i start early like 'sketching', building companion in business relationship, system,. My dream is my kids may gain small but not worrying paying another human's life. I'm done here. Enough. The social judgements is huge for me using young scholars to work. Oh just honesly i'm not that financially secure to give worker enough salary 😅
Espanhol é mais popular que portugues, ok eu também concordo... Mas que linguagem e pronúncia feia da porra (sinceramente faz meus ouvidos doerem) HAHAHAHA Português é LINDO! Seja escrito ou falado. Claro que como um latino americano compreendo muito bem o Espanhol, mas me soa estridente... mesmo o espanhol europeu (Portuguese)
Taipei is 'stinky and trashy' and 'they don't take credit cards'? Is Derek trying to break into the Chinese market? (Plus, David Daokui Li is very much "in" and "IN" the Chinese government.)
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I did not think i'd ever hear anything about emirati coffee on a tim ferriss podcast. Glad you liked it Derek! Welcome to have you back any time.
So cool to hear Derek loves Python! 🐍 I started programming because I read his book Anything You Want. And emailed Derek asking for advice on a website. He was more than helpful. I started learning programming after his email and now I teach programming to ~200,000+ people worldwide. Thank you so much for creating and sharing Derek.
Derek is great. I emailed him during a rough period in my life and a stranger listening was very helpful. I will always appreciate him for that.
I adore Derek Sivers - I think the world would be a better place if we put him in charge! He just radiates joy in everything and that's a very rare quality.
Thanks Tim for doing this. Your conversations with Sivers has always been on my top episodes ever.
I read "hell yeah or no" and I became a big Derek Sivers fan. I, then, listened to the last podcast that you had with him at his house, and now this one. I love the fact that Derek lives his life in his own terms! Thank you for bringing him back on!
Halfway through this podcast and @ the part about his NZ pad. Feeling not so 'crazy' after all, as I'm a woman who was offered a tiny space in a nice area south of Santa Cruz. An 8 x 15 detached room w/ a skylight. Adequate closet but no bathroom, kitchen, nor refrigerator. Just access to cold water. 5 min from my gym made it all possible. I'm now moving out after 21 months, and it was truly some of the best sleep quality I've ever had. Safe, simple, and GREATLY illuminating. Will write more about this experience. Thank you Tim and Derek - always uplifting !
The last interview you did with Derek, brought tears to my eyes. Derek is such an incredible storyteller, human, and thinker.
The scent of coffee-or gahwa as it is known in the UAE-infused with flavors like cardamom and rose water is one that is deeply associated with Abu Dhabi and the warm welcome you will receive in the emirate. Coffee culture is an important display of hospitality in Emirati society, hailing from the days when Bedouins relied on reciprocal generosity. It is so deeply ingrained in local life that serving it comes with its own set of rituals and etiquette.
Everything is better with cardamom :)
well said
Derek is someone I keep in mind when I think, "what would xxx do?". I have a few of them. What I love about Derek is his commitment to communication, he does reply to messages and questions despite being the epitomy of a polymath
Tim! I first read your book, The Four Hour Work Week. Then you got me listening to podcasts. Thanks for your positive influence.
Love this quote… The difference between success and failure is the mindset that leads you to take different actions.
Pleasant surprise. I know for a fact that this will be another great chat, thank you both
Don't know exactly why, but I love this guy. Great energy.
Thank you, Tim, for your work!!
I was at that talk in Australia and had breakfast with Derick.
One of the most interesting 2 hour conversations I’ve had in my life.
Read his books like 3 times each.
If you haven’t yet, please give them a read 😊
If you can say, what was the org that had the wisdom/weird idea of hiring Derek for a talk?
Derek is such a kind and wonderful person
Wow, I was just reading some his books. What a great clarity he provides! Thank you for bringing him
Such a great interview. Always appreciate Derek's perspectives.
i love Derek's blog, it's one of the coolest i've ever seen :)
Brilliant conversation, smiles and connection. Thank you
Excellent interview, Derek is an ocean of knowledge
Who doesn’t love synchronicity? Especially HERE. I’m stoked listening to this ….ty to both of you 🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤
I wish my life was an intersection of Tim & Derek!! Only the good bits though 😊
A breath of fresh air ☺️
Yall might be a better combo than a costco hotdog and bev
Interesting effervescent warm funny human being. I particularly enjoyed learning of the revelation of the warmth and generosity of the Arabic culture that he's finding
This programme smells like holiday season. Light fun human🎉🎉🎉
I am so Grateful to see My beautiful Derrick on your pod cast today. I love love love him❤ he's my secret favorite crush. What a wonderful treat!
I listen to the both guys for years already and it always was interesting and positive. But today, in this interview, noticed a stark detail-they talk only about themselves and how they want friends to only use these friends to learn, or for a friend to do the work to point out something to them for them to improve themselves. It was so surreal to notice it and to watch how these positive and good guys talk about friends and people around as only their tool to get something for themselves. They still call them friends but narrative is literally: "I need friends and only those that could help ME". I'm sure these guys aren't too egocentric but there is definitely a level of self centricity and self delusion as to how they treat people around. Wonder how their love and social life works for them and whether they help others in their daily life-not donations etc., but in small things every day.
Thanks for pointing that out. I could imagine Tim and Derek help their friends but do not want to talk about publicly as it would seem them too braggy or fake-compassionate.
That's just my first thought but I need to think about it more delibartely. I want to post this comment here in order for me to subscribe to your comment.
Derek is right, Chinas world view is a great book and China is a really cool country. Derek is happy like an enlightened monk.
DEREK RETURNNSSSS
Renouncing his US citizenship and moving to New Zealand years ago was a clutch move.
Always love seeing and listening you guys do an episode. Always of high quality -- Even going further back in 2016 when I first listened to you Tim and Derek.
Crazy idea: what if you, Tim, also have Derek on a consistent cadence, like your Random Shows with Kev Kev? That would be awesome for us long-term fans of the pod. :)
Hell ya, Derek is a treat. Hilarious introduction
Took me 3 days to complete This one. Now opening the email to write Derek.
Love Derek and thanks Tim 😊
OMG, you can’t not love this guy.
I hate the duopoly and the more I learn about it the more I hate it so I don't believe this can apply to all things. But if you hate veganism you should certainly learn more about it 💚🌱
Ohhh, love it when you guys do a pod together 🥳
We need a hero who would put the timestamps
Never wanted to go to Dubai. Now I do! 😅
41:00 I’d even argue that fear without reason could just be fear of the unknown? And could be challenged
It was a pleasant surprise to hear Rich Hickey's name come up during the conversation. Derek did a great job of summarizing the Simple vs. Easy discussion in Rich's talk. If anyone is interested in exploring the full context the talk is available on RUclips titled "Simple Made Easy" at ruclips.net/video/LKtk3HCgTa8/видео.html -- the talk is a programming talk, but the principles apply far more broadly. Thanks for another fantastic discussion!
I travel to inhabit philosophies 😮
One of the great conversations, why? Cause you guys both love life and are so curious about everything and, just about, anything 🎉
Derek is such an incredible and fascinating human, I had him on my podcast last year and I truly cannot get enough of his work. Tim, you're a mount rushmore guest for me as well.. What has to happen to get you on my pod? Thank you for all you do
I will check out your episode with Derek, James.
Your episode is fantastic. Listened to it in one sitting. Amazing ❤
Derek!!!! ❤❤❤
Derek Sivers! YAS!
I really don't understand his change of opinion on Dubai... it really is all the bad things he said originally.
It's full of the worst sort of people (anyone that says they would still live there at a 50% tax rate is lying, they added a tiny corporate tax recently and already pots of people are talking about leaving), its got 0 culture (it was a tiny fishing village with nothing there up until recently), the culture is "new build malls and hotels full of the same internatinal brands you see anywhere in the Western world", it's too hot to walk outside so you have to get taxis everywhere, there's no wildlife or nature, it's like going on vacation to a service station next to a busy highway, and this is ignoring the whole opeessive morality / slave labor of the place...
His change of opinion on that really surprised me... Sounds like he just got to stay in a swanky apartment for free, and got exposed to some "exotic" natinalities walking around (whilst sitting in an air conditioned mall, drinking at a starbucks).
Dubai COULD have been awesome, but they decided to build Las Vegas with less gambling and alcohol.
Always great to hear what Derek is up to. Listened with interest to his comments on Dubai, and wonder if everything he says would apply to solo female visitors... especially accepting the "generosity" of locals (I've never been to the region). Any thoughts?
I have a feeling I actually listened to this podcast before.
Dejavu?
Yes. I'm 100% sure it was not published anywhere before.
Dubai.. and most of the Persian Gulf states built on the sweat, blood, abuse of South Asians (Indians, Paks, B'deshi etc). Have been living or going there from 1970s, every brick, grain of sand for those tuned in can sense the agonizing screams from decades of abuse.
The generosity that he talks of from the Emiratis usually reserved and part of the white privilege that he will get to enjoy there.
They're both too smart for this, and are simply pumping out content. Sivers' positivity and curiosity is infectious, he's obviously had some wins and would be interesting to have a beer with. Thought I can't help but notice the apparent learnings just seem like they're grasping to have something wise sounding to say...
Plenty of it was laughable:
- "I love that I am now cuddling what I used to kill"
He still will not like wild rats - they might well bite and might have a disease. He hasn't learned to love them, he's learned to love a totally different thing - a domesticated pet version which is true for anything. He didn't use to kill pet rats, he killed wild ones.
To miss that enormous difference before is just silliness, not sudden enlightenment.
- Apparently tried Emirati coffee and it totally changed his mind on whether coffee can be a nice drink. Then as a professionally inquisitive guy, learned nothing about what makes it suit his taste buds or anything else about it.
- The learning that Emirati/Bedouin culture is about generosity. This was based on stories from third parties being generous in the desert to each other, and a story about a surely very wealthy Saudi connection who let him stay in his unused apartment in the Burj Khalifa. Come on... this is just flippant dilettante tourist BS, it's not interesting or thoughtful.
I assume he hasn't looked in to how well the generosity extends to the workers they ship in to build the place. I'm sure there are many wonderful generous people (the same could be said for maybe everywhere you go as a respectful tourist).
I know these guys are friends and it's about putting out entertainment, but is this of any quality?
you must be fun at parties
Not all new ideas/observations are correct or completely thought through. Both Derek and Tim are generous and vulnerable enough with the public to share partially baked thoughts with the hope of changing lives and stimulating minds. Your criticisms aren't particularly insightful or useful (I had all three as well).
@@gregbell2117 Fair enough, but I think that's an incredibly charitable view. The fact is it's low quality and aimed at selling another book of similar stuff based on a brand of years ago having some interesting output.
Just to add, there is no generosity involved, and there doesn't have to be. Podcasts are very well paid for by ads, and guests by sales of what ever they're selling. It's not a situation where "they're doing it for free, so give them a break" is a valid point
WHAT THE FUCK DEREK LOL that opening omg... i love him
Pet rats? Wow. Derek truly is the human equivalent of "Never let them know your next move." 😄
Anyone who thinks Spanish is as easy to learn as Esperanto is either very comfortable with subjunctives or didn't get that far 🤨
7:16
"... oh I have to do it."
Easy job... no? : ))))))))
"Elon Musk tarnished the reputation of Twitter."
All the face-palms, Derek.
I don't want worker. I know to do business alone is huge. So i start early like 'sketching', building companion in business relationship, system,. My dream is my kids may gain small but not worrying paying another human's life. I'm done here. Enough. The social judgements is huge for me using young scholars to work. Oh just honesly i'm not that financially secure to give worker enough salary 😅
I took that approach with Donald Trump.
Here's an idead for you Derek.
Stop thinking so much.
Espanhol é mais popular que portugues, ok eu também concordo... Mas que linguagem e pronúncia feia da porra (sinceramente faz meus ouvidos doerem) HAHAHAHA Português é LINDO! Seja escrito ou falado. Claro que como um latino americano compreendo muito bem o Espanhol, mas me soa estridente... mesmo o espanhol europeu (Portuguese)
The rats omg
Taipei is 'stinky and trashy' and 'they don't take credit cards'? Is Derek trying to break into the Chinese market?
(Plus, David Daokui Li is very much "in" and "IN" the Chinese government.)
Derek, man, how many words are there in your vocabulary? Somewhat 57? 72? Or 89? Why do you speak so primitively? Not simply, but primitely.