@Hyphy Juice @@TigDegner - That's beside the point. Saying "one of the most amazing casting jobs in all of Hollywood history." is an insanely huge statement all things considered, regardless of what movie you're talking about. (But fantastic as this movie is, I don't think it would be high on that list, truth be told.)
I went into the theater to see this movie because the other movies started later. I'm so glad I did. It still surprises me how many people haven't seen it and how underrated it is.
This is a baseball movie for people who love baseball and people who don't give two shits about it. I don't give two shits about it but I absolutely love this movie.
As a person who has mostly thought baseball is the most boring sport to watch, this movie is amazing. It made me very interested in what goes into baseball, I will say I respect it more, but still find it absolutely boring to watch.
I do not watch baseball or care about it but I’ve watched this movie 3 times. I love the casting, the acting, the storyline and it’s just plain educational as well.
The funny thing is Brad Pitt had zero interest in Baseball too IRL. But he did a great job here because he makes you really believe he's this baseball guru
That’s because after 4 you can live off dividends, plus they expect what they paid for, which isn’t necessarily you but your time. The turtle won the race, btw.
It reminds me of when Poppy Bush had no idea what a loaf of bread or a gallon of milk cost because he had spent over a decade as VP and President and a lifetime being wealthy.
Maybe I'm just crazy, but when he says "it's her birthday... what should I get her?" I feel like anyone should've immediately responded "How about the day off?"
Great acting in this scene. The scene sells the fact that this owner truly believes in this man's talent & is willing to pay whatever it takes to hire him.
The RedSox already knew what it was that he did.... This was a very nice gesture from the ownership. History shows they didn't really need him.... Just his ideas on how to build a team. Amazing story and movie in general.
There were many who could do many things, but there’s always an advantage to getting the one who already DID something. Bill Gates knew how to make an MP3 player, yet he’s no Steve Jobs.
"History shows they didn't need him" History shows that an unprecedented and as-yet unrepeated miracle happened. The Sox still break the curse if Beane goes there. The question is, why did he stay with us.
My favorite scene from the movie. Even though he didn't take the offer, Billy understood that he already won. He did exactly what he set out to accomplish, even if he doesn't have the actual hardware that says he does. And the fact at least one other owner understood what he was doing was just proof of that.
My fave part about this scene is they don't show the number, just Brad Pitt's reaction is all you needed there. It helps show the type of guy Billy is, that money isn't all that matters to him
I think he went just for validation of his value. His value was his willingness to "be the first guy through the wall", although Billy knew he had to stay in Oakland for his daughter.
this is a rare example where you should watch the movie first and then read the book... The book is an easy read but if you love the movie then check out the book - its an amazing study
This scene pretty much sums up the movie. It's not really about baseball, I mean it is, but the Sox owner explains how what Billy was doing was changing the entire business. He was making people think about how they're doing things. In reality, Billy Beane was the victim of his own success, because all the richer teams started paying attention to sabermetrics and other stats that Billy was using first. You can apply what Billy was doing to almost any industry and the morals are the same.
@@nickcormier8571 I live in Bel-Air, so I wouldn't know. But take pride in your city man. The thing about sports, it doesn't matter if your team sucks, t here is enough fans who support their team as a whole, no matter how much they suck. because it represents their city.
@@russellbauer8299 Donald Trump is the establishment? I thought the establishment was the media and the lifelong politicians who were bats$it crazy during his tenure.
Trump is establishment. Trump rhetoric is simply what conservatives have been thinking, but not saying, for years. That's how history will remember trump particularly when he was the president after the first black president in the history of the US because racism is alive in the US.
I love this movie, despite it's glaring historical inaccuracies. Great performances by a great cast, under-appreciated yet marvelous cinematography, nice soundtrack too.
a very special movie and every performance is superb from each and every actor. Incredible how gripping the story is and I highly recommend watching this movie on a rainy day ... if the SUN is shining get out there and enjoy the world ... otherwise watch this movie.
Hard to say that. He's a chameleon. He acts to play out the character. Oceans eleven, seven, burn after reading, this movie, babel, you name it. He's different in each movie.
"Moneyball" by Michael Lewis, the book this film is based, is just as good if not better "This is threatening not just a way of doing business but (really) in their minds, it's threatening the game, what it's threatening is their livelihoods; it's threatening their jobs. It's threatening the way that they do things."
@@patersonplankrd Only when they do what owners always do, which is cry poor and try not to spend money when the only point of the exercise is to spend money. Which, of course, keeps the athletes from becoming wealthy themselves.
I hate baseball. Too boring of a sport for me to watch. But I loved watching this movie. It made me take a second look at the sport and respect what I didn't understand.
He’s a real father, $12.5 million he turned down, because he wanted to be closer to his daughter growing up after the divorce. That money would have put Billy in the history museum of the MLB as the highest paid GM of all time, even today. “I’m glad I turned the money, I did not miss a single thing” - Billy Beane
2 weeks ago I took the Fenway Park tour. This was in the Press Box. I remember the windows and the view. If you go to Boston and are a baseball fan, take the Fenway Tour. It's great. You get to sit in the seats by the Green Monster and the seat where Ted Williams hit the fan in the head for the longest home run in right field.
I love that part. "You mean like wool?" 🤣 Ironically, his arrogance, lack of awareness, and caring also allows him to "disregard" baseball's cultural norms. Quite the paradox.
You are sort of right, but also sort of wrong. The owner used it as a disarming question and to also test the patience of Pitt. It was a perfectly placed question and Pitt answered it perfectly.
I’m just gonna go put this out there right now… I have to say that every actor in the movie industry… He’s got to be one of the most versatile ever probably top five versatile top 25 best male actors of all time. I don’t watch too much TV these days clips here and there is some things but I’d burn this whole town down if it wasn’t for my mommas house.
I'll never understand why Billy Beane didn't take the Red Sox job. He would have been with an ownership that is not afraid to spend money to build a championship team. Staying with Oakland is a head scratcher, the A's are going nowhere and will be as long as they have a cheap owner.
It would have, but the point is Billy realized that he won. He did what he set out to accomplish, which was to change the game. The Red Sox owner outright told him he did, and that anyone who wanted to compete going forward would have to do what Beane was doing. That was likely a big reason why he turned down the money. We also saw earlier in the film that as a player, he chose money over integrity, and regretted it.
@@drygnfyre His life in Oakland since this movie is one big regret. The franchise is a dumpster fire that he has been a part of. It's easy to blame ownership for everything, but being a part of a disgusting franchise as the GM can't make him proud of anything.
Baseball isn't easy at all compared to other American sports. As much as how good a team is or how often a team often contends in the playoffs, it's hard to win this trophy like any other sports. That's why I like to watch baseball. Only Yankees if I remember right had won the most consecutive seasons in recent years, which also were 2 decades ago. Or The Giants 3 championship in 6 years.
@@PotrzebieConolly Not to take away from the Yankees at all, but this was also the era before free agency and there were only 16 teams. So once a team had good players, they never had to trade them or worry about them leaving. The reason why it's almost impossible for anyone to do this again is because the parity is much higher, there are more teams, and you have to constantly deal with free agency. It's the same reason the Boston Celtics won 8 championships in a row in the 50s. Same thing: fewer teams, no concept of free agency, lesser parity, etc.
This scene sums up American politics. “Threatening their livelihoods. Threatening their jobs. Threatening their money. People holding the Reigns are going batshit crazy”
Watch the movie abs it explains his reasoning. Billy Beane was recruited as a 5 tool player and it took the money instead of a scholarship to Stanford. He vowed he would act “just for money” ever again.
I’m surprised nobody has ever pointed out the irony of the film studio using A-listers to make this movie about how you waste money by hiring A-listers to perform particular skill-based tasks. Like hitting a baseball. Or memorizing lines and going through motions in front of a camera.
The point was never that you shouldn't hire A-listers. The point was that there are seriously skilled people who who can make a difference but are overlooked because of completely arbitrary and irrelevant reasons. Because of that they may be undervalued and therefore significantly cheaper than a (supposed) A- lister. Remember the scene with the scouts where they're not interested in a player because he has an unattractive girlfriend? Or Chad Bradford who "throws funny"? Those sorts of things have nothing to do with how good someone is or isn't at their job, but "culturally", a lot of people thought (and may still think) they do.
The Red Sox used a lot of Moneyball principles after this, they just put a lot more money behind it. Similarly, if you find name actors who really deliver, they may well be worth it.
That's a great point. Except they didn't pay A-List prices for these A-Listers. They attracted them with the quality of the project and opportunities outside their usual casting. Unlike Sports stars, successful actors can operate a "one for them, one for me" approach because the time commitment for project like this is relatively small and - since the decline of the Studio system - they are not exclusively bound to producers?
Money isn't everything in life, the sooner you start to realize that the happier you will feel. Sometimes the happiest you will ever feel, is turning down something you know you can have, not because you are somehow better, but because you know there's more to life. Take around 5-6 grams of mushrooms and you'll understand what I mean.
What’s funny is, in the 20+ years since this was depicted, the A’s have never really gone above the heights of those 01/02 teams. Yes, they’ve had some solid teams here and there but still have not “improved” if you will, on those accomplishments. I think it’s almost a little tragic in itself, as Beane introduced these ideas to the MLB, and the MLB first beat him up for it, then adopted them, then used them to their advantage with higher payrolls/resources. Even Boston, who wanted him so bad, has since shown that they didn’t need him. It’s tragic because what he did was so unorthodox, so ballsy, and even daring given the MLB landscape at the time. And at first it worked. But it seems that in the end the house always wins when you’re the A’s.
Billy demonstrates the mantra of being the victim of your own success. You see it in sports often. Once you do something interesting, innovative, or successful, everyone else copies you and sooner or later they catch up and exceed you. Billy changed the game, the problem was once everyone else copied him, they also had the larger budgets to attract the star players. It's like how kids who grew up watching Micheal Jordan or LeBron James became NBA players themselves, and emulated their style and eventually caught up to them. The playing field eventually levels out as the best players age and have to deal with newer players who play like them. That's exactly what happened to Billy. People learned what he was doing, and found ways to do it better.
@@drygnfyre yep, you said it. With the A’s leaving Oakland for budgetary reasons (or so they say) now it makes it even more grim. This whole plan was incepted by the motivation of doing more with less. And even that wasn’t good enough to make them stay, while everyone else uses now these same concepts.
Because he wanted to do it in Oakland. Henry offered way more money. But with Beane, it wasn't about the money. His experience as a player taught him that. It's all in the movie.
@@TK0_23_ I'm suggesting that this movie has led you to believe his experience as a player taught him something. If it did, he wouldn't have stayed with a club that is run like a minor league team used to feed the big market teams, and he would have taken the offer so he could be a GM that actually cares about players and pays players that perform and ultimately win championships which is what the game is all about. The game isn't supposed to be about saving rich businessmen their money so they can win games cheaply in the regular season.
@@roland7584 But in actual real life. John Henry, the owner of the Red Sox, did in fact offer Billy Beane a job as the Sox GM. And Billy Beane, in actual real life, did not, in the end, accept the offer. You are correct though. There is no evidence that he turned down the job because of money. His life and daughter were in Oakland. He didn't want to leave California. Also the A's still had some respect back then. I was a partial season ticket holder in the 80's when the Haas family owned them. It was a great place to see a game. I am a baseball fan since 1965. Grew up with the Mets in Jersey. Lived in California for 20 years. Have been following Bill James and sabermetrics since 1984. And I wrote a baseball blog for 5 years. I am a highly informed fan of baseball. But you were right to challenge me.
@@barniem3148 The fact that he remained loyal to the cheap Oakland A ownership is his greatest mistake. He's been taken advantage of his entire career. He's an idiot. That stupidity and blind loyalty is why he will never win.
@@BuckingHorse-Bull Perhaps for the things he does and the type of person he is. I don't know much about him, other than he was spinning signs or something while trying to make it and that he flips houses in his free time.
@@bewmdogg that shows that he isn't perfect. Brad Pitt seems to have few of those compared to many. He still gets out to feed and cloth the homeless. He builds houses, visits with everyday people, and never seems to let the fame go to his head. It's not anything I have checked out, but he seems to want our world to be a better place, and that's something we all should emulate.
Great scene and movie. That's a offer that when I saw what Henry offered Bean was something else. The A's are still in that dump in Oakland. I wonder if Billy Bean ever had second thoughts looking back on what could of been? Great movie!
What John Henry said about being a trailblazer and going against the grain and all the control freak a holes in the world are threatened was an absolutely brilliant statement. The wealth of the wicked is about yo be laid up for the righteous .
Doubt it. Deep down Billy Beane likes to lose. He actually admitted it in 2005. "Losing never bothered me in fact It energizes me to do better next year. I like the motivation losing provides me more than anything else ."
It's even funnier that he wanted to stay in Oakland, and now he has to move to Sacramento and maybe Vegas, thus proving you have to be a little bit selfish (and smart) and take the money with the better job and let the rest play out as I'm sure it would have all worked out with him and his daughter.
He was thinking of her. Remember his line when trading someone “ but I just bought a house here. My kids they made friends”? Would you rather have a bullet to the head or a slow, agonizing death I’m paraphrasing here. Besides remember his exes boyfriend/ husband does very well too.
Two, actually. Don't forget the Toronto Blue Jays. They used to have the Montreal Expos also, but they are now defunct. Still, your point is taken that there should be more to claim that title.
I get that this is just passive income to youtubers but I will never understand how they can't do a simple audio balance before hitting render. Their intros and outros that are >300% louder than whatever we've just had to crank the volume to just listen to. If you have a low volume clip, lower the volume of your bumpers and save our hearing.
I'm not sure Brad Pitt is all that good an actor. Aaron Sorkin writes so well, he makes average or even marginal actors look great. He makes people who aren't particularly funny get huge laughs because of the cleverness of his dialogue. Yeah, he has an Oscar, which is pretty much a "lifetime achievement" award, kinda what the Academy did for John Wayne in 1969 for True Grit.
This scene pretty much Alone makes me think and tells me that the A’s were forced to lose in the ALDS. Because think about it, Billy and Pete pretty much changed the concept of the sport that you can make a very successful playoff team without breaking the bank. That alone pretty much threatened teams like the Yankees, Boston, Dodgers, Chicago, and San Francisco. Because they were paying players millions of dollars to get themselves a playoff team and to go deep in the postseason to win a championship, and Oakland pretty much had a very successful system to make one the greatest concepts and change the game in all of the Modern MLB history. It was showing the world that you can do it with out wasting millions, like I mentioned that pretty much threatened those teams because they would’ve been embarrassed if they ended up losing to a team that was on budget of almost Les of 5 million dollars than to a team who was at nearly 40 million.
It says that someone is currently holding you hostage somewhere in Burnley and forcing you to watch Moneyball on a scratchy VHS tape exactly four times against your consent.
Watch the movie again if you haven't - there are a few times (through the subtle character revelations and also directly to the viewer) that Beane would never make a personal life decision based on money ever again. He also stayed to be a present father to his daughter.
I would have totally sold out and taken that offer. One of the great things money can buy is my integrity.
Hahahaha
Would not have been a sell out.
But cannot buy time to spend with His daughter
@@motley331 yeah he wouldn't be sacrificing his integrity by accepting that offer
😂
Without a doubt, this entire film did one of the most amazing casting jobs in all of Hollywood history. Great cameo by Arliss Howard.
That's a wild exaggeration no matter how you slice it. But the cast was great.
holy shit u made me realize its Arliss
@@maximillianosaben I don't know. The casting was pretty amazing. I can't think of one bad performance from anyone in this movie.
@@maximillianosaben what's better-cast? Genuine question.
@Hyphy Juice @@TigDegner - That's beside the point. Saying "one of the most amazing casting jobs in all of Hollywood history." is an insanely huge statement all things considered, regardless of what movie you're talking about.
(But fantastic as this movie is, I don't think it would be high on that list, truth be told.)
I went into the theater to see this movie because the other movies started later. I'm so glad I did. It still surprises me how many people haven't seen it and how underrated it is.
True…nothing blows up…no sex…just a great character study.
I'm just now realizing this
It's because its about baseball the lamest team sport to ever exist
I so wish there were theaters that rerun older movies
@@jii-ro7083 so you're not very good at it?
This is a baseball movie for people who love baseball and people who don't give two shits about it. I don't give two shits about it but I absolutely love this movie.
I started watching Baseball and supporting A’s because of this movie lol
Great statement
I’m in the same camp as you, Beerf. This movie was wonderful.
As a person who has mostly thought baseball is the most boring sport to watch, this movie is amazing. It made me very interested in what goes into baseball, I will say I respect it more, but still find it absolutely boring to watch.
If you don’t give a shit about baseball why did you watch this video?
I do not watch baseball or care about it but I’ve watched this movie 3 times. I love the casting, the acting, the storyline and it’s just plain educational as well.
Your opinion is irrelevant.
@@DataLog 65+ people disagree with you!
@@freddiefreihofer7716 Even a consensus can't beat facts.
The funny thing is Brad Pitt had zero interest in Baseball too IRL. But he did a great job here because he makes you really believe he's this baseball guru
For those who don’t know it was for 12.5 million dollars a year. The highest of any GM ever in all of sports. He turned it down.
The dude an idiot. He turned that down and the Red Sox became one helluva team after that. A’s never won crap.
And leveraged it for an ownership stake, so really not that bad lol
it was 12.5 million over 4 years.
That’s because after 4 you can live off dividends, plus they expect what they paid for, which isn’t necessarily you but your time.
The turtle won the race, btw.
I love that it shows Henry being both brilliant/shrewd in his industry and yet so out of touch with reality when it came to the scarf/gift
His other secretary already had a gift for her. Don't be fooled, this is how Owners talk :)
@@Angavelmar Yeah, cause you hang out with so many owners :) LMAO. Talk about fools
It reminds me of when Poppy Bush had no idea what a loaf of bread or a gallon of milk cost because he had spent over a decade as VP and President and a lifetime being wealthy.
It felt more like an interview question to me
Maybe I'm just crazy, but when he says "it's her birthday... what should I get her?" I feel like anyone should've immediately responded "How about the day off?"
This is my favorite scene in the whole movie! Arliss Howard made the scene - amazing dialogue and mannerisms!
Great acting in this scene. The scene sells the fact that this owner truly believes in this man's talent & is willing to pay whatever it takes to hire him.
And Billy still stayed with the Oakland.
@@Huyle18And Boston won the World Series
@@Captain_AAhab yep using moneyball they went on to finally win the world series. Curse broken
The RedSox already knew what it was that he did.... This was a very nice gesture from the ownership. History shows they didn't really need him.... Just his ideas on how to build a team. Amazing story and movie in general.
Bill James came way before Billy Beane, and the Red Sox were built very differently from how Beane would have built them.
@@robbymulvany2109 You're not going to get Brad Pitt to star in a movie about Bill James.
There were many who could do many things, but there’s always an advantage to getting the one who already DID something. Bill Gates knew how to make an MP3 player, yet he’s no Steve Jobs.
"History shows they didn't need him"
History shows that an unprecedented and as-yet unrepeated miracle happened.
The Sox still break the curse if Beane goes there.
The question is, why did he stay with us.
@@tomshea8382 but somehow did for Billy Beane, and the A's lmao
My favorite scene from the movie. Even though he didn't take the offer, Billy understood that he already won. He did exactly what he set out to accomplish, even if he doesn't have the actual hardware that says he does. And the fact at least one other owner understood what he was doing was just proof of that.
"One of the great things about money is that it buys a lot of things" spoken like a true billionaire
I’m not a billionaire but I think that guy is on to something.
"Sounds nice."
It’s a great line. As if we forgot that.
Indeed and they DIDN'T make their billion in baseball.
I figured that out when I was 3 years old
"The first guy through the wall always gets bloody. Always."
As a Sox fan I totally loved this scene. So great when he comes in the limo and walks in and first sees the field.
My fave part about this scene is they don't show the number, just Brad Pitt's reaction is all you needed there. It helps show the type of guy Billy is, that money isn't all that matters to him
I think he went just for validation of his value. His value was his willingness to "be the first guy through the wall", although Billy knew he had to stay in Oakland for his daughter.
They later clarified it would make Beane the highest paid GM in baseball.
Jonah revealed it as the highest contract for a GM in the history
They revealed it. 12 million
Sure. But he has yet to win a World Series Championship
Glad to see Private/Sergeant "Cowboy" from Full Metal Jacket having a second life as a Boston Red Sox owner
Good catch... i woulda never caught
Oh shoot... that's right!!! Poor guy.
Nice find!
No way!! I would have never realized. Great eye!
Wow. I thought he looked familiar. Never would have placed it.
this is a rare example where you should watch the movie first and then read the book... The book is an easy read but if you love the movie then check out the book - its an amazing study
I'm a Dane without the slightest clue about baseball but this movie is simply one of my favourites of all time.
This scene pretty much sums up the movie. It's not really about baseball, I mean it is, but the Sox owner explains how what Billy was doing was changing the entire business. He was making people think about how they're doing things. In reality, Billy Beane was the victim of his own success, because all the richer teams started paying attention to sabermetrics and other stats that Billy was using first. You can apply what Billy was doing to almost any industry and the morals are the same.
Brad P is the Paul Newman of my generation. He’s the man
Seeing them together in Spy Game was a rare treat
@@korbendallas8488 No. That was Robert Redford.
@@RogueReplicant Oops, you're right. Always saw Pitt as a modern Redford. I have no idea why I read the OP as Redford instead of Newman
Billy Beane is a man of science and passion, he stopped caring about money a long time ago. He ended up staying in Oakland for his family.
And Oakland has thrived and blossomed into a world class dumpster fire.
@@nickcormier8571 takes one to know one I guess.
@@AllenHanPR uh, take a drive around the city, it's looking like the city gave up.
@@nickcormier8571 I live in Bel-Air, so I wouldn't know. But take pride in your city man. The thing about sports, it doesn't matter if your team sucks, t here is enough fans who support their team as a whole, no matter how much they suck. because it represents their city.
@@AllenHanPR I don't think there's anyway to improve your statements. Very well said.
This movie from start to finish was amazing. One of the best movies ever made based on a sport.
Fun fact John Henry is play by the guy that played grown up Scotty Smalls in the sandlot
You would be correct.
I don't know who this actor is with Brad Pitt, but he is so natural in this scene.
Arliss Howard, better known as Private Cowboy from Full Metal Jacket.
@@JCrashB Jeezo, so it is! I knew the face but couldn't figure out what from.
He really does do a good John Henry.
Great explanation of what happens when the Establishment feels threatened.
Yes, same thing happened with John Bogle's "folly" of a passively managed index fund in 1976.
Same thing happened when Donald Trump became president
@@russellbauer8299 Donald Trump is the establishment? I thought the establishment was the media and the lifelong politicians who were bats$it crazy during his tenure.
I thought this was the most imortant point Still going on in baseball today, 20 years later.
Trump is establishment. Trump rhetoric is simply what conservatives have been thinking, but not saying, for years. That's how history will remember trump particularly when he was the president after the first black president in the history of the US because racism is alive in the US.
I love this movie, despite it's glaring historical inaccuracies. Great performances by a great cast, under-appreciated yet marvelous cinematography, nice soundtrack too.
No reason to let reality get in the way of a good story.
@@normie2716 you are dead stop acting like you aren't..now get back in that box and stay there.
@@stanleyhape8427 You're mentally unwell.
@@normie2716 wipe ya ass today?
I don’t care for baseball or for sports films, but man this is a wonderful film. So good. Draft Day, too.
a very special movie and every performance is superb from each and every actor. Incredible how gripping the story is and I highly recommend watching this movie on a rainy day ... if the SUN is shining get out there and enjoy the world ... otherwise watch this movie.
Personally, I think this is Pitt's best performance. Yes, better than Benjamin Button.
Hard to say that. He's a chameleon. He acts to play out the character. Oceans eleven, seven, burn after reading, this movie, babel, you name it. He's different in each movie.
Yup.
Wonderful in Brnjamin Button but agree this is his best. Overall though I think he gets better every decade.
That makes you the highest paid GM in the history of sports
"Moneyball" by Michael Lewis, the book this film is based, is just as good if not better
"This is threatening not just a way of doing business but (really) in their minds, it's threatening the game, what it's threatening is their livelihoods; it's threatening their jobs. It's threatening the way that they do things."
Excellent summary of how radical innovation plays out.
It's not that radical. Advanced analytics are great, but saving money for billionaires is not something we should really cheer.
@@tomshea8382 Do you have an issue with wealthy people?
@@patersonplankrd Only when they do what owners always do, which is cry poor and try not to spend money when the only point of the exercise is to spend money. Which, of course, keeps the athletes from becoming wealthy themselves.
Got offered 12.5 mil per year turned it down stay in Oakland
I hate baseball. Too boring of a sport for me to watch. But I loved watching this movie. It made me take a second look at the sport and respect what I didn't understand.
Playoff baseball right at the start of October is thrilling. THE BEST !
Outstanding film.
There are two wolves within us. One is good and one is not good. The one who will thrive is the one we feed.
This is the kind of job interview I'd like to be called in for. Sounds nice.
Don’t really care about baseball but love this film. The Damned United did that for me with football too.
He’s a real father, $12.5 million he turned down, because he wanted to be closer to his daughter growing up after the divorce.
That money would have put Billy in the history museum of the MLB as the highest paid GM of all time, even today.
“I’m glad I turned the money, I did not miss a single thing” - Billy Beane
Wow its private cowboy from Full Metal Jacket. Amazing actor
Not him
Brilliant writing.
2 weeks ago I took the Fenway Park tour. This was in the Press Box. I remember the windows and the view. If you go to Boston and are a baseball fan, take the Fenway Tour. It's great. You get to sit in the seats by the Green Monster and the seat where Ted Williams hit the fan in the head for the longest home run in right field.
Fenway is a dump and the Red Sox sux!
You'll never guess what team i root for.
The writing and acting just floors me.
That bad?
@CoCotheTurtle That good.
"Where would I get her something like that"... that just shows how disconnected the owner is from reality
I love that part. "You mean like wool?" 🤣 Ironically, his arrogance, lack of awareness, and caring also allows him to "disregard" baseball's cultural norms. Quite the paradox.
You are sort of right, but also sort of wrong. The owner used it as a disarming question and to also test the patience of Pitt. It was a perfectly placed question and Pitt answered it perfectly.
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Like Lucille Bluth asking if a banana costs $10
Or that his reality is very different from yours.
I’m just gonna go put this out there right now… I have to say that every actor in the movie industry… He’s got to be one of the most versatile ever probably top five versatile top 25 best male actors of all time. I don’t watch too much TV these days clips here and there is some things but I’d burn this whole town down if it wasn’t for my mommas house.
And he said no, because his daughter was in Oakland.
I'll never understand why Billy Beane didn't take the Red Sox job. He would have been with an ownership that is not afraid to spend money to build a championship team. Staying with Oakland is a head scratcher, the A's are going nowhere and will be as long as they have a cheap owner.
he stayed for his daughter.
Family. He mentions not doing anything again for just money earlier in the film.
@Matthew Greene wow! At that point he should’ve just taken the offer.
And currently as of June 2023 the As are one of the worst if not the worst in all of MLB. Their performance has been abysmal.
Life isn’t about the money. It’s about what you do with the God given talent you have.
love these type of movies....
Beane watching the Red Sox win 3 World Series since turning down this offer: "huh. that would have been nice."
It would have, but the point is Billy realized that he won. He did what he set out to accomplish, which was to change the game. The Red Sox owner outright told him he did, and that anyone who wanted to compete going forward would have to do what Beane was doing. That was likely a big reason why he turned down the money. We also saw earlier in the film that as a player, he chose money over integrity, and regretted it.
@@drygnfyre His life in Oakland since this movie is one big regret. The franchise is a dumpster fire that he has been a part of. It's easy to blame ownership for everything, but being a part of a disgusting franchise as the GM can't make him proud of anything.
Baseball isn't easy at all compared to other American sports. As much as how good a team is or how often a team often contends in the playoffs, it's hard to win this trophy like any other sports. That's why I like to watch baseball. Only Yankees if I remember right had won the most consecutive seasons in recent years, which also were 2 decades ago. Or The Giants 3 championship in 6 years.
The Yankees won the World Series 5 years in a row 1949-1953. Never been matched in Major League baseball.
@@PotrzebieConolly Not to take away from the Yankees at all, but this was also the era before free agency and there were only 16 teams. So once a team had good players, they never had to trade them or worry about them leaving. The reason why it's almost impossible for anyone to do this again is because the parity is much higher, there are more teams, and you have to constantly deal with free agency.
It's the same reason the Boston Celtics won 8 championships in a row in the 50s. Same thing: fewer teams, no concept of free agency, lesser parity, etc.
@@drygnfyre Slight correction - Celtics 8 in a row were 1959 to 1966. Your point still applies, of course.
This scene sums up American politics. “Threatening their livelihoods. Threatening their jobs. Threatening their money. People holding the Reigns are going batshit crazy”
great acting throughout this movie
This, and Shohei Othanis highlights are the only things I honestly know about baseball.
Is there a reason he decided not to take the offer?
just my opinion but i think deep down he really wanted to continue with what he started in oakland. he also probably knew the red sox didnt need him
Watch the movie abs it explains his reasoning. Billy Beane was recruited as a 5 tool player and it took the money instead of a scholarship to Stanford. He vowed he would act “just for money” ever again.
He was offered a piece of the ownership of the As.
@@mikenovick9677 I did watch the movie but I’m not sure if the actual character went with that Mantra in real life. I’ll scope it out
He stayed in Oakland for his daughter.
It says "For free" on the paper.
I have ZERO interest in Baseball but i loved this movie.
I’m surprised nobody has ever pointed out the irony of the film studio using A-listers to make this movie about how you waste money by hiring A-listers to perform particular skill-based tasks. Like hitting a baseball. Or memorizing lines and going through motions in front of a camera.
Lol that’s an absolute amazing point, but hey they bought low on Chris Pratt right
The point was never that you shouldn't hire A-listers. The point was that there are seriously skilled people who who can make a difference but are overlooked because of completely arbitrary and irrelevant reasons. Because of that they may be undervalued and therefore significantly cheaper than a (supposed) A- lister. Remember the scene with the scouts where they're not interested in a player because he has an unattractive girlfriend? Or Chad Bradford who "throws funny"? Those sorts of things have nothing to do with how good someone is or isn't at their job, but "culturally", a lot of people thought (and may still think) they do.
The Red Sox used a lot of Moneyball principles after this, they just put a lot more money behind it. Similarly, if you find name actors who really deliver, they may well be worth it.
That's a great point. Except they didn't pay A-List prices for these A-Listers. They attracted them with the quality of the project and opportunities outside their usual casting. Unlike Sports stars, successful actors can operate a "one for them, one for me" approach because the time commitment for project like this is relatively small and - since the decline of the Studio system - they are not exclusively bound to producers?
The movie business doesn't work by getting on base. It works by getting butts in seats. A-listers do that.
He left $12.5 million on the Boston Table… crazy af
Money isn't everything in life, the sooner you start to realize that the happier you will feel. Sometimes the happiest you will ever feel, is turning down something you know you can have, not because you are somehow better, but because you know there's more to life. Take around 5-6 grams of mushrooms and you'll understand what I mean.
$41mil for an entire organization in 2002 is still literal Pennie’s compared to most of the other team.
Brad really you are fantastic 🥰
Arliss is genius in this role.
What’s funny is, in the 20+ years since this was depicted, the A’s have never really gone above the heights of those 01/02 teams. Yes, they’ve had some solid teams here and there but still have not “improved” if you will, on those accomplishments. I think it’s almost a little tragic in itself, as Beane introduced these ideas to the MLB, and the MLB first beat him up for it, then adopted them, then used them to their advantage with higher payrolls/resources. Even Boston, who wanted him so bad, has since shown that they didn’t need him. It’s tragic because what he did was so unorthodox, so ballsy, and even daring given the MLB landscape at the time. And at first it worked. But it seems that in the end the house always wins when you’re the A’s.
Billy demonstrates the mantra of being the victim of your own success. You see it in sports often. Once you do something interesting, innovative, or successful, everyone else copies you and sooner or later they catch up and exceed you. Billy changed the game, the problem was once everyone else copied him, they also had the larger budgets to attract the star players.
It's like how kids who grew up watching Micheal Jordan or LeBron James became NBA players themselves, and emulated their style and eventually caught up to them. The playing field eventually levels out as the best players age and have to deal with newer players who play like them.
That's exactly what happened to Billy. People learned what he was doing, and found ways to do it better.
@@drygnfyre yep, you said it. With the A’s leaving Oakland for budgetary reasons (or so they say) now it makes it even more grim.
This whole plan was incepted by the motivation of doing more with less. And even that wasn’t good enough to make them stay, while everyone else uses now these same concepts.
He couldn't take the offer because he knew if he held out, Tarantino would offer him the role that would finally win him the MVP of the world series
This guy better give Klopp the funds to buy Jude this transfer window
As a lifelong Sox fan I could never understand why they didn't get him.
Because he wanted to do it in Oakland. Henry offered way more money. But with Beane, it wasn't about the money. His experience as a player taught him that. It's all in the movie.
@@TK0_23_ but remember, it's just a movie. Not everything is reality in this movie.
@@roland7584 Are you suggesting Henry did not offer him a contract?
@@TK0_23_ I'm suggesting that this movie has led you to believe his experience as a player taught him something. If it did, he wouldn't have stayed with a club that is run like a minor league team used to feed the big market teams, and he would have taken the offer so he could be a GM that actually cares about players and pays players that perform and ultimately win championships which is what the game is all about. The game isn't supposed to be about saving rich businessmen their money so they can win games cheaply in the regular season.
@@roland7584 But in actual real life. John Henry, the owner of the Red Sox, did in fact offer Billy Beane a job as the Sox GM. And Billy Beane, in actual real life, did not, in the end, accept the offer.
You are correct though. There is no evidence that he turned down the job because of money. His life and daughter were in Oakland. He didn't want to leave California.
Also the A's still had some respect back then. I was a partial season ticket holder in the 80's when the Haas family owned them. It was a great place to see a game. I am a baseball fan since 1965. Grew up with the Mets in Jersey. Lived in California for 20 years. Have been following Bill James and sabermetrics since 1984. And I wrote a baseball blog for 5 years. I am a highly informed fan of baseball. But you were right to challenge me.
The offer was 12.5 million. He turned it down.
At the time making him the highest paid GM in history. You can't buy loyalty though :)
All things that were mentioned in the movie.
Anyone who watches the movie knows this. It was literally said 5 mins later
@@barniem3148 The fact that he remained loyal to the cheap Oakland A ownership is his greatest mistake. He's been taken advantage of his entire career. He's an idiot. That stupidity and blind loyalty is why he will never win.
This scene demonstrates the difference between an actor and a movie star.
It was a coupon for a free frosty at Wendy's!!!
I want to admit something. Brat Pitt is one of my male role models in life.
why he is an ACTOR
@@BuckingHorse-Bull Perhaps for the things he does and the type of person he is. I don't know much about him, other than he was spinning signs or something while trying to make it and that he flips houses in his free time.
@@onbored9627 do you mean like failed marriages and alcoholism?
@@bewmdogg I don't imagine that's what he had in mind.
@@bewmdogg that shows that he isn't perfect.
Brad Pitt seems to have few of those compared to many. He still gets out to feed and cloth the homeless. He builds houses, visits with everyday people, and never seems to let the fame go to his head. It's not anything I have checked out, but he seems to want our world to be a better place, and that's something we all should emulate.
Great scene and movie. That's a offer that when I saw what Henry offered Bean was something else.
The A's are still in that dump in Oakland.
I wonder if Billy Bean ever had second thoughts looking back on what could of been?
Great movie!
What John Henry said about being a trailblazer and going against the grain and all the control freak a holes in the world are threatened was an absolutely brilliant statement. The wealth of the wicked is about yo be laid up for the righteous .
A brillieant statement indeed, but I'd suggest this is the very essence of the movie...
I miss this Brad Pitt. Angelina really did a number on him.
This still applies to a lot of industries unfortunately.
We all know if Billy could go back in time he would take this offer....and win a WS championship.....
Doubt it. Deep down Billy Beane likes to lose. He actually admitted it in 2005. "Losing never bothered me in fact It energizes me to do better next year. I like the motivation losing provides me more than anything else ."
@@Jeff-sp7bg So he is a LOSER!!!!
It's even funnier that he wanted to stay in Oakland, and now he has to move to Sacramento and maybe Vegas, thus proving you have to be a little bit selfish (and smart) and take the money with the better job and let the rest play out as I'm sure it would have all worked out with him and his daughter.
I know it’s an actor portrayal but imagine a person so wealthy they don’t know what gift to get a person or where to get it
Everybody loves a good comeback movie.
Money ball, mighty ducks, and Kim kardashian. 😂😂😂
Here was a fool to turn down that money. He could’ve had a fantastic life for his daughter.
He was thinking of her. Remember his line when trading someone “ but I just bought a house here. My kids they made friends”? Would you rather have a bullet to the head or a slow, agonizing death I’m paraphrasing here. Besides remember his exes boyfriend/ husband does very well too.
"The World series", literally only 1 country is competing in it.
Two, actually. Don't forget the Toronto Blue Jays. They used to have the Montreal Expos also, but they are now defunct. Still, your point is taken that there should be more to claim that title.
I took a world-class dump this morning. And when I say world class, I mean world class.
I get that this is just passive income to youtubers but I will never understand how they can't do a simple audio balance before hitting render. Their intros and outros that are >300% louder than whatever we've just had to crank the volume to just listen to. If you have a low volume clip, lower the volume of your bumpers and save our hearing.
The people most invested in the system, the ones that control it, will always fight any change to it...they have the most to lose.
I wonder what kind of present Denise ended up getting.
The Red Sox had Ortiz and Ramirez. That helped too.
$12.5 Million
At first I was confused
He said That Billy Paid 260000 per win. But what about Dave Justice’s 3.5 Million?
I'm not sure Brad Pitt is all that good an actor. Aaron Sorkin writes so well, he makes average or even marginal actors look great. He makes people who aren't particularly funny get huge laughs because of the cleverness of his dialogue. Yeah, he has an Oscar, which is pretty much a "lifetime achievement" award, kinda what the Academy did for John Wayne in 1969 for True Grit.
In my head.... Ben affleck and his boys make a move on fenway when they hear Billy Beane didn't get the job.
I had no idea this was the same actor from full metal jacket.. wow!
Turn up the volume.
Not accepting this offer was foolish, since there was nothing else in Oakland A's.
This scene pretty much Alone makes me think and tells me that the A’s were forced to lose in the ALDS. Because think about it, Billy and Pete pretty much changed the concept of the sport that you can make a very successful playoff team without breaking the bank. That alone pretty much threatened teams like the Yankees, Boston, Dodgers, Chicago, and San Francisco. Because they were paying players millions of dollars to get themselves a playoff team and to go deep in the postseason to win a championship, and Oakland pretty much had a very successful system to make one the greatest concepts and change the game in all of the Modern MLB history. It was showing the world that you can do it with out wasting millions, like I mentioned that pretty much threatened those teams because they would’ve been embarrassed if they ended up losing to a team that was on budget of almost Les of 5 million dollars than to a team who was at nearly 40 million.
5ft 9? I didn't know they stacked shit that high!?
This is my favorite movie and I hate baseball with a vengeance.
I'm from the UK. I know nothing about baseball. But I've seen this film 4 times. What does that say?
It says that someone is currently holding you hostage somewhere in Burnley and forcing you to watch Moneyball on a scratchy VHS tape exactly four times against your consent.
Anyone know what pete is wearing called? Or specific type
Brad Pitt was great in this role but I could equally see Coach Taylor from Friday Night Lights in the same role.
Kyle Chandler DOES look a lot like him.
Clear eyes full hearts
What was the offer?
Why didn't Beane take this offer? Henry believed in him.
Watch the movie again if you haven't - there are a few times (through the subtle character revelations and also directly to the viewer) that Beane would never make a personal life decision based on money ever again. He also stayed to be a present father to his daughter.
):30 HOLY SHIT! THE SUBSCRIBE ANIMATION MADE THE VIDEO SO MUCH BETTER!
John Henry gives me the creeps, and this actor was able to pass that vibe along.
Me: I'm not for sale!
For rent maybe...but definitely not for sale!
Great movie
Great movie. Luv it.