Anime Goku vs Manga Goku: The Real Winner | Dragon Ball Super
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
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Dragon Ball anime vs Dragon Ball Manga powerscaling has been a long lasting debate within the Dragon Ball community, boiling down to determining which version of Goku is stronger. We'll be going over both Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball Super in order to make the most comprehensive scale possible!
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0:00 - Intro
0:49 - Manga vs Anime
2:31 - Dragon Ball Z
7:32 - Dragon Ball Super 
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Do y'all think he's beating Goku tho?
Not a chance
Manga is getting folded
Yes
@@darknessreborn2608learn how to Pay attention to something as simple as manga
@@loliconenjoyer9770 learn to not like kids
Conclusion: The winner is the alien with spiky hair, god powers and orange gi
fr, he just solos, also I thought you quit RUclips
This is the top comment
but what about the alien with spiky hair, monkey powers and orange gi
Thank you for tell us XD
Yeah goku win
Toyo gonna see this and go "Yeah but goku absorbed the power of ultra instinct into his base"
Wich is wrong cuz he hasn't stated that.
At all.
@@elcalabozodelandroide2the joke flew over your head huh
@@elcalabozodelandroide2 somebody call nasa we got the next rocket engineer right here
@@gbdpro9350He dodged the joke with ultra instinct
@@elcalabozodelandroide2*which
yikes buddy 😬
I think the fact that manga goku didn’t absorb god into base actually makes the series more enjoyable from a power scaling perspective. It makes it less disgusting that new characters from other universes just happen to be THAT STRONG as they show up *cough cough* u6 saiyans *cough*
Yeah to be honest, this power scaling mentality of stronger/bigger = better makes the anime very non-sensical and worse as a story IMO. Made worse by some fans taking exaggerations like Pre-Super Perfect Cell being Universe level and not solar system level at face value. Clearly not the case. The Manga changing the course of things away from raw power with its handlint UI is great too.
@@rcbmmines4579there's like 5 people in total who think Cell is a Universe buster. Although Xenoverse Cell has some forms that could be Universal and above not counting the DLC or 2, but cannon Cell Super Perfect Cell to be specific, is a Solar System buster. Anything lower or higher is asinine.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki Agreed, never even heard it suggested before this guy in this video did when it comes to the anime, never mind the anime contradicts it later by adapting the statement from the Manga. But also, man I think some DB fans really don’t have any idea how HUGE of a difference a solar system is from a galaxy. Much less a galaxy cluster. Much less an entire “universe”.
It only makes it more enjoyable if you're a hypocrite or don't like DB scaling as a whole.
@johnman8398 How is it hypocritical? With all due respect, do you know what that even means? If you consistently don't want Base Goku to suddenly be universal level and thereby making all his forms universal plus and making his newer divine ones make less sense (if SSB is just SSG + SS1, why is it necessary if Base = SSG and Goku can still do SS1), which also heavily inflates the scaling of many characters no matter what form Goku takes (including both returning and new characters in both tournament arcs), then I don't see how that's hypocritical in anyway. There's a huge, HUGE gap between solar system and galaxy level. Let alone super galaxy clusters, let alone universe level. Only divine characters or those who trained with angels/gods of destruction should be that powerful. Which the Manga does for the most part (admittedly there's still some dumb exceptions).
I also don't see how liking how the Manga does things means you don't like DB scaling lol. It's a lot more consistent and reasonable. Also, something I alluded to in my comment above, leaning into Ultra Instinct giving you ultimate martial skill in being able to automatically attack and defend with the right moves at the right precision and timing, instead of just another power up, also feels like a better evolution and pay off to DB as a whole.
The only real chance I think Super's manga Goku even remotely has of closing the power gap is Dende's statement claiming that Goku's base form has hit the level of the gods during the Moro Arc. That said the statement is super vague, and Zamasu already said Goku and Vegeta surpass most of the gods in the anime's Goku Black arc.
That statement applies to a goku who was all the way to the Moro arc. Anime goku was already at that post bog arc.
There is a promotional manga that shows Goku fighting freeza in res f drawn by toyotaro which is canon to the manga and it shows the ssg god Goku above base Goku while he's fighting for more info look up divine scaling manga Goku
@@retardedaxel Divine really ain’t the best source bud. He high balls and twist statements out of context lol. He’s some 18 year old kid who really ain’t been around long enough to be reliable for anything. The manga and anime have often contradicted him.
Surpass most of the Gods in the Zamasu arc? Bro I don't know about that claim there, if that was said it would be made a huge deal in the fanbase and I dont remember nobody talking about this 😂
@@adoniscreed4031 I'm assuming Kaioshins, the four quadrant Kai's of each universe, and planet's guardians were the main reference to that statement, not so much gods of destruction but it is said by Zamasu.
Id say Goku wins
Nah bro, Goku wins
Come on bro, goku obviously win
Bro, it’s Goku. what you on💀
No, I think Gokou is stronger than Goku.
Nahhh Goku is on a whole another level
Dang I honestly wasn't expecting Goku to win...what a twist.
Actually Goku wins
I’m pretty sure those statements about Cell and Buu destroying the universe weren’t saying they would do so with a single attack. Feats like Cell’s Kamehameha and Buuhan’s scream have an explicit capacity for destruction, but the other statements on them aren’t explicit at all. In fact, iirc in the anime they described Kid Buu going from planet to planet blowing things up as “starting to destroy the universe”, which lines up their powers pretty well with their manga counterparts
Well for kid Buu goku did say that the universe would go poof but your right about cell I am not to sure about him
@@mars8569kid buu is not one shotting no universe
For those wondering the reason this isn't "who is the strongest goku" is because it's is 100% xeno goku as he can be calculated at around fifth dimential because he defeated god demon demigra who can trancend space-time, he did this in his base form and can go up to ssj4
Didn't CC Goku beat him in the game at the prison planet and beat him in the SDBH Anime?
@@ferane287Yes he did. They had a whole thing where both Xeno LB SSJ4 and CC UI does a final punch and stand there before limit breaker SSJ4 Goku falls unconscious.
Edit: in the promotional anime.
It would be Jump Force Goku
Xeno goku scales way higher than 5D considering end of z (lowball) is already scaled to hyperversal due to surpassing every god, mortal (including black frieza), and he surpasses arale too who if you lowball can have 5-7D feats even further for arale if you’ve watched one of akiras other shows which is canon to the db verse, arale has crazy feats and toriyama puts end of z goku above arale. Id be okay if you lowball xeno goku to 7D instead of 5D.
@@newkiller4457what is blud yapping abt😭🙏🏽
9:50 just wanted to say, volume 20s cover goes so hard
This only makes me want to see the return of Super Anime. SIGH. I really want it back!
Also, worth noting is MUI is a much better form in anime. It never was said or shown to degrade as you lose focus, and in fact said to constantly be growing Gokus power and speed when used against Jiren, while his movements only got sharper.
Also Goku can use his rage boost while in MUI in anime, which is something he can't seemingly do in the manga, hence TUI.
So it might get retconned when Super returns to match the manga, but for now anime MUI > manga MUI
That’s false for many reasons. Anime Goku didn’t adapt in Ultra Instinct, how’s the anime better? I don’t remember Manga Goku getting paralyzed from using MUI way too long in the manga where in the anime it was painful. I ALSO don’t remember Goku being able to stack UI on transformations in the anime like he did in the manga. If anything the manga handled UI ALOT better than the anime did.
Nah UI in the manga was a lot better than in the anime. Feels like it had a lot more drawbacks too.
@@firionkaiser8291 Yeah, especially when you compare how the anime and manga drops out of the form and how UI is a techniques stacked with forms in the manga aswell has enhanced durability.
@@SonZackSSJ9kYour comment makes no sense and is false for many reasons as well. I don’t remember anime goku not being able to express emotions as well as getting angry when in tense moments. I don’t remember anime goku having a way shorter time limit then manga goku until the Moro arc. I don’t remember anime goku not being able to defeat base jiren. IF ANYTHING the manga did mui goku worse until later arcs while the anime did it better. Also your point is irrelevant because your using Mui goku from other arcs in the manga while anime mui goku was only in the tournament of power so your basically making an unfair argument but either way it doesn’t matter cause everyone can agree mui goku was done better in the anime. The only thing the manga has over it is the Lore and depth
@@firionkaiser8291nah not really
The manga generally has better feats like Goku Black being able to keep up with SSG Vegeta in Super Saiyan, Jiren pushing Goku into achieving ultra instinct through sheer battle rather than the spirit bomb, Gohan being able to fight and stalemate Kefla in battle, ect. Not to mention the later stuff with Goku mastering UI and perfecting new versions of it. Anime Goku caps at 6D but I think it's safe to say Manga Goku is 7 to 8D with some evidence of outerversal but it depends on how you scale him.
Nah, Goku loses. you trippin.
in the Anime, they've gotten hella broken. Goku in TOP surpassed Vegito Blue THAT FAST. Just like GT Goku surpassing Vegito in the Buu Saga.
This might be out of topic but i love "Goku saves" stuffs more instead of "Goku Solos"
too bad that trend just kinda….vanished , i liked it way more as well
I mean, it was done with the same concept in mind tho XD
You’re the scum of the universe, *and I’m getting sick of it!*
Agreed
This is pretty interesting as I didn't even think about anime and manga Goku being different characters until the Dragon Ball Super Manga. The first thing that comes to mind is canon Goku vs movie Goku vs video game Goku but that's a whole video in and of itself.
Great Video!
6:34 it is not a mistranslation, the japanese says the same, Viz isn't good I admit it but this time it is true, also buutenks was too stated to be able to destroy the universe
By the way, I was also thinking about this matchup today and came to similar conclusions, nice video
5:30 You're using outdated and inconsistent statements and guides that weren't even written or approved by Toriyama. These hyperbole statements can't really be taken seriously because both the anime and manga contradict them. Cell only becomes a solar system buster once he comes back in his Super Perfect state and it's made clear that his power caps there. He's nowhere near a single fraction of universe level power and neither is Goku by extension. Besides, even if these statements were meant to be taken in the most hyperliteral meanings as possible they would also have to be applied to the manga since the anime at that point was just an adaptation of the manga so they're the same stories.
Thoughts on Zamasu and Moro’s galaxy destruction statements? I see a lot of people bring those up to put manga characters at Multi-Galaxy.
Neither of those statments imply them to be limitations on their strength.
That dumb since self explosion in dragon ball usually aren't that big majin vegeta is above planetary yet his final explosion doesn't traveling to far.
Stupid argument. Goku has fired full force attacks at the ground without destroying earth.
AoE /=/ Attack Potency
@@sptflcrw8583 tbf, Moro's explosion wasn't held back, he was going to explode with his full power
@@Danba2505That was definitely not the limit of his power. Off of simple power cliffing he should have been able to obliterate the Macrocosm easily.
I always assumed that the whole no Zenkai boosts thing also applied to the anime and the increases in power during the tournament of power was less zenkai boosts and just the sayains being incredibly adept and improving in real time
Tbh Goku no diffs Goku💀💀💀
Can’t even get Zenkais anymore is crazy
How do you know Broly didnt shatter dimensions? We only saw a short recap of it. He likely did do it.
You can't just assume stuff that isn't shown
So the moon busting feats in Z aren't as important as you explain, in the 2nd arc of dragonball jackie chun blows up the moon after already using alot of energy and still is able to fight goku and goku scales to that jackie chun
Amazing video but I think you messed up a little on the manga super section. Mainly the inverse scaling, Manga is very strong not on the level of anime Goku but too far off. Goku and Vegeta get a SSG level increase to their bases in the black after their confrontation, Goku black in ssj 2 was able to overpower ssb Vegeta. Later Goku and Vegeta throw hands with SSR black, which should be a ssb level transformation. Ssb perfected is a fusion level increase on base blue, clearly evident by Goku fighting off fusion zamasu that was possibly using SSR himself (not confirmed). All in all, manga Goku is definitely comparable to his anime counterpart.
The "but can he beat goku tho?" bit has finally culminated in "can goku beat goku tho?"
Does pikkon even exist in the manga? If the tournament arc only happened in the anime, then pikkon doesn't actually exist in the manga, right?
Thats correct
@@lonkstakeswhat Z feats does anime and manga super build off of? Are they both connected to z manga or anime
As a Side note I noticed while rereading the universe 6 tournament and Goku black arcs, it is also clear that the multiplier of ssb is greater in the anime than the manga as the manga portrays it as less than 10 times stronger with perfected blue being not even a boost and just Goku being able to use his blue always at full power, so Idk why a lot of people think this version of blue is insanely op
Lonk's Takes Solos. 💪
The poof statement is not a mistranslation. The one pictured below is from Herms, one of the most accurate translators in the community. One could just say Goku is exaggerating, though.
Great video,Anime Goku is clearly levels ahead of the Manga counterpart except i don’t think the Beerus part is the reason because if the anime continues you know they are just going to bypass those statements and have Goku still under Beerus for sure,and the Manga statement about them not getting Zenkais is the equivalent of Anime U6 Tourney Vegeta stating he’s nearly at the limit of his strength,its simply not true,but otherwise Anime Goku stomps probably even current Manga MUI Goku,even their Ultra Instincts differ as in the Anime Goku can definitely use rage to boost himself when in UI and in MUI but in the manga he needed a lesser UI through TUI to do that even 3 Arcs later.
It still found it funny that anime goku has what manga goku is still working towards in less than 2 minutes of achieving the form.
Goku is over Beerus, he defeated Jiren who was stronger than the gods of destruction
@@mateuszpitala9458 nope
@@mvp746 yes
@@mateuszpitala9458 nah
1:35 is that PHY TURLES INTRO THEME
It’s all Dokkan music, most of my videos are :)
Every time I use Goku in a debate, I mixed it too
Can you do legendary Godzilla versus Goku?
Monsterverse Godzilla? Goku slams😂
This matchup is so unfair. Most versions of Goku stomp the oversized Lizard.
The obvious winner is anime goku because his feats are way better than Manga goku
You were actually 100% correct.
No he wasn't. His entire argument hinged off of outdated and inconsistent statements that don't make any logical sense.
One thing that you didnt mention that could give manga Goku some credit is his mastered SSB form since its multiplier is crazy. Goku in his normal blue was about Goku Rose level and when he mastered it he was able to match fused Zamasu in his ultra Trunks-like beefed up form. This is insane since potara is a A x B multiplier so the mastered versions multiplier ended up being the same as Zamasu's power level. Future Zamasu in the manga was a lot weaker than his anime counterpart being probably around kid Buu level if we are being generous (super Goku said he would only need SSJ1 to beat Kid Buu and Goku felt that his super saiyan form was more than enough to keep the unkillable Zamasu busy). We dont know what power level Buu is at but the highest one we saw was namek Goku's 150000000 so the multiplier for mastered blue is immensely higher than that number (I could guesstimate but this comment has gone on long enough). On the other hand ToP anime Goku surpassed anime SSB Vegito from the previous arc which is more impressive since that doesnt include UI.
Can you scale Heroes series
Prolly not
You know this Goku guy sure does sound strong and all... BUT CAN HE BEAT GOKU THOUGH!!!!!!
Just to magnify some things, King Vegeta’s feat has calcs as high as Dwarf Star-Small Star Level, Vegeta’s Arlia Feat has Star Level calcs, Freeza’s Supernova has Large Star Calcs (has to do with Planet Vegeta’s size in relation to Earth being shown in GT), Garlic Jr. has arguably a Multi-Solar System Level feat of his own and Boohan’s feat wasn’t just only Universal, rather Universe+ at least.
And in the Manga’s defence, their bases should be Super Saiyan God level by post-RoSaT Black Arc Vegeta
Can you do a what if goku was in jjk like not just adding a dragonball goku to some events I mean like add characters as if they were apart of jjk like freiza could be a curse user before the jjk zero movie then cell could have his arc around yuji death and buu arc could be in the culling games in one of the unknown colonies
Knowing Anime Goku being stronger than Manga goku made me like the manga even more
Yeah the Manga is a more natural progression of the linear power scale of dragonball. The DBS anime is inflated and that worsens it honestly, because it makes fights more unrealistic and unreasonable
@@powerjolt7215 also, anime makes Vegeta's statement about Jiren's raw power being close to them nonsensical, meanwhile in the Manga it makes sense considering both Vegeta and Goku could overpower Jiren, when they fought him together, which also makes sense since both of them have been sparring against Whis together
@@powerjolt7215DBS anime powerscaling is out of the window.There is no way to quantify their power.But you can scale manga goku more easily and he is infinitely weaker in manga
the ssg in base is also applicable to the manga, there is 2 scenes which shows that and its from goku and vegeta training under whis right after resurrection of f, goku attacks vegeta in base then behind him a shadow/ image of god goku is shown, second in that very same battle vegeta turns ssgss and shoots a beam of energy at goku, now if he hadn't absorbed ssg in base then this should have killed him on the spot yet he came out of it relatively unscathed
That scene is not from the DBS manga, but the unfinished tie in manga for the original movie
@@lonkstakesthere's a random guide that say manga goku did in fact absorb his ssg strength into his base
I can find it but I still think anime goku wins
@@Zeno1781 hmm manga goku has hakai
@@lonkstakes shouldn't that still be cannon ? if not then how would you explain base goku tanking a blast from ssgss vegeta and enraged punches from fused zamasu in the dbs manga
@@TheKnight-nc7qn that can be resisted if you are stronger
Anime Goku wins because he could be close to death, with almost no ki left, tired and he will somehow go back to full power like we saw in the ToP
Or just throw a ki blast in the air and when he dies, it hits him bringing him back, just like he did in his battle with hit before the tournament of power lmao
Agreed for the most part, but I disagree with base Goku ever surpassing his SSB form, let alone it happening multiple times. Also it’s never confirmed Goku’s base became SSG level, just his ssj form. Though his base form could have surpassed that later.
Right in the last portion of his fight with Beerus. Goku oneshotted a Power Ball that his Super Saiyan form failed to even push back. So yeah, it's confirmed lmao
@@thienvan8614 I'm aware of that scene, it confirms nothing. It was just Goku not giving up and giving the last amount of his energy to finally destabilize the blast. If Goku's base really reached his SSG level, he wouldn't have accepted defeat there. He would have asked for a senzu bean or rest, as he would be 400x stronger all of a sudden with super saiyan 3. He knows Beerus wants a challenge, so he wouldn't let his planet get blown up in that scenario. The only logical explanation is that Goku used all of his power, and what we saw his his MAX power, even if he healed again.
@@weeaboo-warrior "The last amount of his energy" you mean the last amount of energy that is 50x weaker than it was a second ago? Are you high?
@@venture7486 Goku was already fighting back and pushing into the blast. He just ran so low on stamina he dropped out of ssj. You are claiming he got so tired that he went down a form but got stronger, so I could ask you the same question.
Also there is no evidence Goku got 50x weaker. The 50x multiplier is from the super exciting guide, not the manga, and there is no proof ssj always is a 50x difference. If Goku could have gone ssj2 or 3 in his fight against Beerus to get multiple times stronger he would have, so clearly something was different about Goku's power in that fight after experiencing god for the first time.
@@weeaboo-warrior
Yeah, and dropping out of SSJ made him weaker, so there's no way that he'd be able to nullify a ki wave that his powered up form was itself struggling to resist unless he himself got stronger than what he was a few seconds ago, which is totally consistent with how Saiyans work. Plus, the fact that Goku literally had a speech about breaking limits, as well.
The 50x multiplier is also in the daizenshuu, and Akira Toriyama also confirmed it himself. You morons really confirm the allegations that DB manga don't even read or keep up with their own damn franchise.
Ever since the saiyan saga anime goku has always been stronger
Fun fact-manga vegito is equel to manga berrus,a statement not givin to anyone else,even black frieza
A statement also that has yet to be proven,Supreme kai isn’t the most reliable source especially when it comes to Beerus,i always found it iffy how Supreme Kai of all people is talking about Beerus when he by all logic should have no clue how strong Beerus is.
I get it that its the author speaking through Supreme Kai in a way but that can be refuted as Beerus is totally a moving goalpost.
Still get slam by moro
@@mvp746even it v-jump it states that black arc vegito surpassed berrus,in the eyes of the DBS staff,that’s the only time he was surpassed
@@isaaccuevas1717”probably” is a key word here both the magazine and the statement itself start with the word “probably” surpass Beerus.
There is another magazine that states Vegito is probably on Beerus’ level so it refutes the claim that he’s stronger and goes on to claim he’s probably equal.
@@mvp746both of those statements are still above the black Frieza statement, which confirms without doubt that Frieza is below beerus
Toei animation making dragon ball more overpowered for no fucking reason: 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
HE AIN'T BEATING GOKU THO‼‼🗣🗣🔥
Now we just need a *How powerful is DBZ Goku*
Exploring specifically his power in the _Battle of Gods_ & _Resurrection F_ Z-Movies and what they mean for DBZ Goku, before DBS reset those stories
Unfortunately the movies don’t really provide any feats
@@lonkstakes we do get some scaling to consider though.
- Vegeta is considered only second to Goku, placing him above Mystic Gohan, which may imply an amp for Goku as well.
- BoGs extended has Goku still claim Fusion isn’t enough, placing SSG above a BoG arc fusion? Which based on the Vegeta statement above could mean a significantly superior hypothetical Vegito
- 1st form Frieza’s dominance over [likey even SSJ1] Gohan could be used to give a scale to the new Base Goku
- Guides vary on SSGSS and if it’s just the power of a SSG by using SSJ or if it is SSG going SSJ. If considering the latter that could be an additional amp.
There isn’t a video covering these movies so it would fun see what little they do provide.
If it is enough, maybe a RF Goku vs GT Goku could be more equalized… tbd
@@bigpapan.g3245 The form has gotten a name in the manga and it's called Ultimate Gohan.
@@JameeloJameelo
Ultimate Gohan, Mystic Gohan, Potential Unleashed Gohan, Latent Potential Gohan
These are all acceptable names for Gohan in that state. No need to ‘name check’ it.
9:15 it might be a thing in the anime too vegeta states how jiren wasn't stronger than them by much but how he used his energy efficiently and they elude to their bodies having reached its peak and needing to learn how to properly output it but this might just be a mega stretch and not true
The movie continuity is its own separate issue as the movie is what toriyama himself considered Canon.
The movies are the closest thing to what toriyama actually wanted which is, having goku and vegeta being as strong as a God of destruction if they were to fight together. Their body is already at its limits and they just need to sharpen their fighting style
The manga, anime, and movie of super have their own Canoncity
Also anime power levels extrapolations are null and void in db and dbz, the manga source material takes precedence over the anime. And idk why people always reference guides toriyama didn't write they're not valid. If cell was universal the battle of gods gokus power level wouldn't be impressive that's clear evidence that the guidebook extrapolations and anime powerlevels aren't valid.
The same toriyama said that anime is completely canon and including filler.Toei own rights of dbs.Not even toriyama can go against them.
You are literally the most biased dragonball tuber. It’s very clear that goku has better feats statements and drip.
I'd like to quickly mention the fact that the ones who say Jiren and Goku "shook the void" are Roshi and Android 18, meaning the feat doesn't come from a reliable source and cannot be taken as fact. And yes, DB characters can be wrong, Kaioshin called Vegito Blue stronger than Beerus once and look how well that aged.
I suggest you to re-watch those episode because roshi didn't state anything about Goku shaking the world of void it was elder kaioshin that stated that Goku was shaking the world of void (episode 110 min 10:23) and those statements are valid
Those statements are valid and it doesn't matter who stated that, it was stated and backed up with proof
Vegito being above Beerus wasn't contradicted though? Also It Is stated in v-jump which also stated Beerus>Black Frieza but I don't see people Say v-jump Is unreliable when It said that, also roshi didn't Say that, It was Kaioshin
@@simeon8814 i wasn't taking about vegito or anything but I was talking about the feat of shaking the world ov void
And did you actually read my comment?
I literally wrote who stated that the world of void was shaking and I wrote even the episode with the precise minute where it was stated
@@gabrielp9665 actually I was answering to the other comment not you
@@simeon8814 oh but RUclips said that you responded to me not another person
So what I’m hearing is anime Goku has been universal since the cell sage
Goku solos, edit: lol I typed this before the vid loaded and it was the first thing said.
Goku is stronger than Goku.
Thank you for addressing this, many people have had that miss conception, DBS anime simply has better scaling, feats and statements
I think the anime meant over time cell could reasonably destroy the universe by destroying one solar system at a time
THAT’S WHAT IVE BEEN SAYIN
I think we can all agree that anime GT Goku no diffs manga GT Goku.
Hmmm I like the one with orange
### Scenario: Manga Goku vs. Anime Goku
**Location**: An otherworldly arena created by the gods, floating in a void of stars and galaxies. The environment is vast, with floating platforms, rocky terrains, and an endless sky, providing ample space for an epic battle.
### Initial Encounter
Manga Goku and Anime Goku stare each other down, both aware of the immense power they each hold. Their auras flare up, shaking the very fabric of the arena as they prepare to engage in combat.
### The Battle Begins
**Round 1: Testing Strengths**
The two Gokus charge at each other, fists clashing with such force that shockwaves ripple through the void. They test each other’s physical strength and speed, exchanging blows at lightning speed. The clash is evenly matched, with neither gaining a clear advantage.
**Manga Goku** uses strategic moves, exploiting openings and utilizing precise attacks. His martial arts skills and strategic thinking are evident as he tries to find weaknesses in his anime counterpart.
**Anime Goku**, on the other hand, relies on his raw power and high-impact attacks. His strikes are powerful and relentless, showcasing the spectacular feats seen in the anime.
### Power-Up
**Round 2: Super Saiyan Transformations**
Both Gokus transform into their Super Saiyan forms, their power levels skyrocketing. The battle becomes even more intense, with both fighters moving at incredible speeds and exchanging powerful energy blasts.
**Manga Goku** demonstrates his mastery of Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue, switching between forms to optimize his energy use and attack strategies. His control over his transformations is precise, allowing him to maintain his stamina.
**Anime Goku** pushes his limits, transforming into Super Saiyan Blue and even showcasing the more dramatic Kaio-Ken x20 combined with Super Saiyan Blue. The explosive power of his attacks creates massive craters in the floating platforms, adding to the battle's intensity.
### The Ultimate Techniques
**Round 3: Ultra Instinct**
Both Gokus tap into Ultra Instinct, their appearances changing as their hair turns silver and their auras become ethereal. Their movements are now almost impossible to track, as they dodge and counter each other’s attacks with perfect precision.
**Manga Goku** uses Ultra Instinct Sign and Perfected Ultra Instinct with strategic efficiency, dodging attacks effortlessly and countering with devastating precision. His control over this form is evident, showcasing the depth of his training.
**Anime Goku**, with his dramatic portrayal of Ultra Instinct, unleashes powerful, high-impact attacks. His movements are fluid and instinctual, with each strike carrying immense power. The spectacle of his form is breathtaking, creating a visual display of energy and power.
### The Final Clash
**Round 4: The Decisive Moment**
Both Gokus, now pushed to their absolute limits, prepare their ultimate attacks. **Manga Goku** charges a powerful Kamehameha, channeling all his remaining energy into the attack. **Anime Goku** counters with a Kaio-Ken x20 Kamehameha, his aura blazing with red and blue energy.
The two beams collide, creating a massive explosion of energy that engulfs the entire arena. The shockwave is felt across the void, and the energy sphere at the point of collision expands, threatening to consume everything.
### Conclusion
As the dust settles, only one Goku stands victorious.
**Outcome**: **Manga Goku** emerges as the winner.
### Reasoning
- **Energy Efficiency**: Manga Goku’s mastery of Ultra Instinct Sign and Perfected Ultra Instinct allows him to conserve energy and maintain his form longer than Anime Goku, who relies on the more explosive and energy-draining Kaio-Ken technique.
- **Strategic Combat**: Manga Goku’s strategic use of his transformations and abilities gives him an edge in exploiting openings and countering his opponent's attacks.
- **Consistency**: Manga Goku’s power scaling is more consistent, allowing him to maintain a high level of performance throughout the battle.
### Estimated Outcomes
- **Manga Goku's Victories**: 60 out of 100 times
- Manga Goku’s strategic use of Ultra Instinct and energy management gives him a slight edge.
- **Anime Goku's Victories**: 40 out of 100 times
- Anime Goku’s high-impact and visually spectacular feats make him a formidable opponent, capable of turning the tide with raw power and dramatic transformations.
This scenario reflects the strengths and abilities of both versions of Goku, highlighting their unique approaches to battle and ultimate techniques.
Anime SSB Goku vs Manga Black Frieza, who you got in a fight?
Anime Blue until Black Frieza shows otherwise
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while i'd say manga goku slams no diff, kaioken x20 + ssb is op so i'll gravitate towards anime version
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i was right but not for the right reason lol
Technically there are manga feats that aren't...bad. Goku and Vegeta light up the World of Void in base (shown in the colored manga), Perfect Blue and MUI are cemented as potara level amps, Moro was gonna destroy the universe (according to Herms galaxy is a mistranslation), etc
Meanwhile the anime's breaking dimensions and blowing up timelines (could argue Jiren scales cause he's > infinite Zamasu and Goku said he could beat him with a Senzu) and has absurdly higher amps.
Also for all actual material in the manga it's pretty clear Goku did cliff Beerus, but then Beerus got stronger too and now the manga's giving both statements. The narrative is gooning Beerus but that's irrelevant.
Wanted to state something anime goku dod not surpass his beerus
Goku Black in the manga literally bodies SSB Vegeta in his normal SSJ, then after Vegeta trains in the Chamber (Mind you, just because they can't get zenakai anymore doesn't mean they can't still get stronger with pure training and battles, as seen in Moro and Granolah arc) he grew strong enough to overpowered a stronger Goku Black with his Rose stacked on his already god level strength Base in his Blue form. So this video is just wrong, sorry, but it just is.
Vegeta gets like 2 different power increases during the TOP that are larger than this lmao
@@lonkstakeslemme guess, Spirit bomb scaling?
for the cell saga it was and never stated cell would destroy the universe in one attack, hes a threat to the universe not a universe buster. cell has an infinite lifespan so its probably saying that he would destroy the universe over time not instantly.
Actually cell will still be multi solar to multi galaxy.Solar system are massive nebulas or quasars in dragon ball.At least in anime.
Hear me out goku can solo other Superman variant but not the main one
Ok try this one: Goku Black vs Homelander
Or could Goku Black solo The Boys universe as part of the Zero Mortals plan.
Goku black one shots lmao
Homelander would lose to Nappa. What kind of match up is this?
So how would anime goku do against manga frieza
I'd say Manga Frieza slams but I'm pretty sure Anime Goku whould put up a fight for about 16-34 minutes, give or take.
Goku (manga 103) = Beast Gohan > Granolah arc Goku > Moro arc Goku > SSBE Vegeta (spirit fission) > MUI Goku (ToP)
The question is.. What form of Goku need to defeat his past self from ToP?
1. Between Omen to MUI Goku (moro saga)
2. UI sign Goku (end of Granolah saga)
3. SSB Goku (manga 103)
I can assumes SSB Goku when fighting Gohan would smack Jiren from ToP. If Blue way too much might be SSG is enough.
Base anime goku claps the entire manga verse
"But Goku can beat goku tho?"
wonder when lonk will do proper research?
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@@lonkstakes i mean, the amps from manga goku black arc when only taking the "cant get any more zenkai boosts" statement... is enough
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Where do they state that the saiyans can't get zenkais anymore? They said that Black is using it, nothing else or?@@lonkstakes
@@NaturalOrderZenkais no longer existing is just a theory, not concrete.
@@SonZackSSJ9k thats what im saying. Bro took that completely but ignored the insane blue amps from the arc
That's so cap goku has done more than goku, even getting orange gi and fighting Vegeta. I am so mad im going to post on Twitter about how goku beats goku because goku solos goku all day.
Buuhan is stronger than kid buu, they needed fuse to fight one but believed they could win a 1v1 against kid buu make it make sense
We don’t give Doctor Gero his credit he created robots that could destroy a universe
If the anime never comes back manga will surpass anime Goku
"Movie goku has entered the chat" 😂
Funny that people say Goku solos when he can’t even solo his own universe
That same logic also applies for many other characters in powerscaling
Who here is summoning for saiyan day vegeta
I think I got him
You also have other things like the multipliers of the forms being different. As not only does God not have any of the Fusion or “Strongest Warrior” statements to give a gauge on a multiplier (like the anime), but SSJB is heavily inferred to be a 5x amp off of God. As opposed to the anime, which more so displayed it at least a 50x boost or more, based off Goku’s fight with Kefla. And even Perfected Blue, might only be around a 2x-Blue squared level amp. Lack of info to properly gauge the strength of Blue Evolution as well
Could you explain the 5x ssg multiplier for ssb in the manga, since ssb is literally just ssg + ssj1 meaning it should be 50x regardless
@@extremelegendsupreme4596 during the manga version of the Champa tournament. Whis explains that SSJB drops in power after consecutive use. And that if one uses two times back to back, then the power of the form drops to less than 10%. But as we see, and Beerus points out, God Goku is stronger than this weakened SSJB Vegeta. If we round up Whis’ statement to say that SSJB Vegeta is at 10% power. Then that would mean that God Goku is above that by some amount. Meaning at his lowest, he’s at 2/10, or 1/5 as powerful as weakened SSJB Vegeta. So there’s at least a 5x increase for the manga versions. And Beerus does somewhat back this, as he says that SSJB is just a “mere power-up of SSJ God.”
As for Perfected Blue. Toyotaro explained in an interview, Toriyama intended for Fused Zamasu to be the strength of two of SSJBs. We saw him dominate both SSJB Goku and Vegeta, but then we PSSJB Goku on his level. And even fatigued SSJB Vegeta can obliterate two Fused Zamasu’s with his Gamma Burst Flash. So the form is most likely a 2x increase from regular SSJB. But if ya really want to high ball Toyotaro’s words. Than it might be SSJB-squared. But that doesn’t really work that well, because of the Vegeta feat I brought up, and Toyotaro just stays that he wasn’t that strong in Toriyama’s draft, although that could’ve been changed.
If you want to see for yourself. Than 13 has Whis and Beerus explaining SSJB. And in chapter 27, Beerus calls the form “mere”. The Toyotaro interview is something you can find in chapter 24/volume 4.
As for the anime. We do just see Base Kefla bully God Goku. But then she goes into her Berserker SSJ form (which is likely greater than 50x), and SSJB Goku is relative to her. So he got a similar if not greater amp
The anime is cracked out of its mind towards the TOP. The Manga makes the story a fair deal better. Less silly goku shenanigans and more detail on what actually happens. If Manga goku catches up to the anime version I better see all the Manga panels break when he hits somebody.
It's funny how DBZ anime is way better than DBZ manga, but DBS anime is worse than DBS manga by a long shot
I honestly prefer the anime due to it's better character development and is more consistent with their material than the manga.
@@omegashinobi dbz or dbs?
@@SeiVinRen DBS, though the anime in Z also gives some great moments that aren't shown in the Manga.
the action scenes in DBS are also a lot better in the anime thna the manga due to having better choreography, paneling and is much better at keeping track of movement and impact scenes. the fights in the Manga just feel boring and lack the same flare as in the old Dragon Ball Manga.
@@omegashinobi you know what? Fair point, some fights are kinda lame, like SSJ2 Goku vs Goku Black, but when DBS wanted to give us a good fight with good animation, it really give it to us, like MUI Goku vs Jiren
Though I still think manga DBS is better simply because the story felt more coherent, with power levels and other things, but the anime tournament of power was peak DBS, the secondary characters got their deserved attention and the choreography was good, but I miss Roshi vs Jiren and Gohan vs Kefla... also, all that speech Goku gave about trust and not forgiving who hurt his friends was kinda... "wtf", since most of his friends were his enemies at some point (17, 18, Piccolo, Vegeta, Tien) and let's not forget that he was fighting side by side with Frieza... this part of the show was garbage, but the animation and choreography were exceptional
I completely agree
Make a new one were manga goku win 💢
TECHICALLYYYYYYY in the manga king kai said saiyan saga goku is unbounded
Managa iis stronger than anime
I agree mostly with the super section. Kid buu is not stronger than even base superbuu however. They merely said he is more DANGEROUS because he was more destructive and mindless. Goku even said he himself wouldn't be able to fight super buu, but gohan who surpassed him at the time could. He was utterly doomed when he ate gohan which is why he desperately looked for a fusion partner.
The same Goku said kid buu was hiding his power and is far stronger than any other buu.
Hey lonk can you make How good would Luffy do in Chunin Exams?
Maybe, I don’t know luffy’s scaling that well
@@lonkstakes come on man it could be interesting
Broly movie follows manga continuity, so don’t use that movie as a reference, evidence of that is that GOKU never used blue kaioken in that movie
Broly movie follows toei and toriyama story.While manga follows toyotaro crap.
@@om9959 explain why GOKU didn’t use his Max power which should be sjj blue kaioken?
Goku solos
Lol why Jesus is fighting Goku
Wait how does manga goku not get zenkais anymore
In the manga zenkai’s only work to a certain extent
BS
It actually follows DBZ lore unlike that anime
@@powerjolt7215anime follows toriyama vision unlike toyotaro bullshit.
0:05 y'all saw Jesus Christ right
Don't worry DBZ fans goku won.
Goku the fighter who He surpassed gods start Open his domain then the fraud monkey goku start shrinking back in fear
goku to goku: stand proud goku you're strong but when it comes to the strongest always bet on goku🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
I got my bet on goku