The Reigning $100 CHAMP! Schiit Fulla 4!
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
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Correction - The 3.5 input in the front WILL pass through to your computer for audio. I am not sure why I was not able to get mine too.
Heads-up, many of your affiliate links (mostly from Top 3 Open Back & below) aren't working. Amazon links to the homepage, Fulla 4 redirects to invalid product screen, Drop says the link is malformed, Fir Audio throws some crazy characters in the URL, etc.
Sadly, a lot of them are having QC issues... Same with Hel 2.
@@IAmAliwood Awesome, thanks for keeping an eye out. I will have to run through it and see what the issue is.
I wouldn't exactly consider the iPhone USB-C a drop-in replacement for the Fulla, for the target "gamer" audience, or at least people who have a power hungry/noisy GPU.
I tried it as a cheap experiment to fix the noise coming from both my audio and USB ports (into my discrete amp) and, while it was a massive improvement, the noise was still very audible at normal listening levels. The optional galvanic isolation that the Fulla has seems to be really important for the problem that Schiit are trying to solve here.
The Fiio D3 is a good alternative here, because most gamer systems have TOS (and therefore galvanic isolation).
The video didn't cover this to my recollection, but I think it is important to mention that Schiit Audi designed that left 3.5mm jack as a microphone input and that this product is targeted at gamers. Not that music enthusiasts & audiophiles shouldn't consider it, but gamers accustomed to fast pace game action and sound is the target audience.
Dude. Your intro was the coolest thing I’ve seen for a while.
it was a really schitty intro
i'm loving these mini skit intros
Another schitty intro
don't be such a schiit head
I re watched the intro like 4 times please do more like it.
-Was the intro necessary?
-Absolutely yes!
Congratulations on being the first one to put a video out reviewing this unit. I picked one up myself and have been very pleased with it so far. I actually purchased a sound blaster X6, returned it, and then bought this and was much happier with the sound quality.
Yeah I couldn’t believe the difference. It’s so clean, I literally teared up the first time I heard it.
josh i’m no expert (though i did work in a high end road bike shop for 5 or 6 years) but you should really adjust your saddle angle, that looks painful!!
The front input connection is for a mic, not a phone/powered device. Supposedly it is a dynamic gain, 24-bit microphone input with AKM analog-to-digital converter. Maybe the mic you tested required a bit more power than it could handle?
That’s because it’s a gaming DAC
Zen DAC?
I feel like you missed an opportunity to state that this is one of the best budget solutions to the PS5 UAC1 issue.
Basically so many of us with headphones like Beyers Tygr 300r or whatever, with magni 3/Modi 3 stacks can't use our dacs with PS5 because PS5 doesn't support UAC2.
Fulla 4 (now called Fulla E) supports UAC1&2
did it raise the volume on ur tygrs, thats my biggest my $180 tygrs are much quieter then my $50 steelseries headset
Hey Joshua, now that Schiit stopped selling the Fulla 4 because all the reported issues, what gaming DAC around the same price do you recommend?
o2+ sdac is great and more powerfull
My Schiit Fulla 2 still going strong. Smile every time I see it presented in Windows as "I'm Fulla Shiit"
Isn't the second input on the front for microphone use? That's a very rare feature afaik. Schiit is also referring to it as "DAC/AMP FOR GAMING (AND COMMUNICATIONS!)" 1:35
We need more companies with a Schiit-y sense of humor
Correction - just for clarification. The front input is a for mics.
So good for gaming n stuff.
Oh, what's that tubey-loking goodness we see in the corner of the shot at 3:15? I don't recall seeing that featured on the channel yet. Maybe it's a selector switch, and not tubes? Too blurry, but I must know! ;)
It’s the Xduoo MT-604!
Mine broke after 12 hours. audio out was cutting in and out quite frequently didnt matter the cable or the port i used
I would say the intro was absolutely necessary and genuinely hilarious i did not see that coming 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
hey josh, have you ever used/heard about the ifi zen dac (dac/amp unit) or the ifi zen can (amp)?
I am not Josh but I have, and have owned both. The Zen Dac is as you stated an amp/dac... it is not the most powerful amp however. It has a 4.4mm balanced output that will output more power and there is a low/high gain (they call it "power match") but the range is limited especially for quite a few of the hifiman headphones. It can also be noticeably "noisy" depending on the particular headphone/volume level etc. The Zen Can is a stackable match that will make your experience better, it has a lot of power and allows the Zen Dac to operate in "fixed" mode which seems to help with some of the noticeable distortion.
Get the Zen Dac V2 if you go that route. Or better yet, just get the DX7 Pro, its an all in 1 unit that has almost no faults.
How come u'll never review the iFi Audio Zen DAC V2? Nuff' of this schiit already!
The Fulla 4 does not have an analog input as the Fulla 3 had?! I do not mean the mic-input on the front.
I have had mixed experiences with my Fulla 4. The headphone out is working great to power my Drop PC38x's considering they are low resistance. I want to note though that the input on the Fulla 4 uses a TON of compression and makes the microphone sound like absolute garbage. I've had to bypass the mic input and go directly to the motherboard where those issues are not present. It may improve the sound of some headsets that have a lower quality mic input but in my case it was a deal breaker.
Was considering this exact setup. Have no intention of using the mic port. Hows the audio when it comes to quality positioning etc. Sorry I klnow this is 6 months later but you have the exact setup im considering.
That’s really interesting, other reviews didn’t have compression issues with things like the ModMic. In fact, it actually made them too sensitive at times and plosives were even more noticeable.
The front 3.5mm input is a Mic input. If you can please test the Fulla 4 with one of the Sennheiser headsets, the PC 37x or the PC 38x and a ModMic. The Fulla is meant to be a gaming dac/amp with mic input. I have the Fulla 3 and its amazing for that purpose.
👀Oooh I see that xDuoo MT-604 in the background. Can we expect a review?
Nice product but I'm kinda shying away from Schiit products.. got me a Hel-2 a couple of weeks ago and nothing but problems as soon as I started playing games. Audio de-sync and crackling sounds.. tried adjusting the sample rate and eventually i just lost sound all together. Tried to get it working for a couple of days but still audio loss even during streaming youtube or netflix.. ended up returning it.
I have this, and it's bad. audio delay, audio cracking. schiit really dropped the ball on this one.
I've heard that crackling noise while turning the dial is very common with shiit devices. Its what prevented me from buying one and going for a sound blaster x g6 instead
People are reporting that running an overclock on your PC introduces cracking with the Fulla, don't know if this applies to your situation.
Kinda feels like the fulla 3 hasn't been out that long for an upgrade already, but hey at least it has USB-C.
It's damn near impossible to get a Fulla 3 now. I tried to get a Fulla 3 recently to save some money but it's unavailable just about everywhere. Guess I'm gonna bite the bullet on 4 then.
It was always impossible and now that the chip supplier has burned down they might disappear entirely.
Fulla Schitt :D
I don't understand anything basically, but I want the Hel 2. I only run Fidelio X2's so I'm probably wasting money, but meh.
Can anyone give me a quick rundown of what it all means between the Fulla 4 and Hel 2?
I imagine I'll go PC > Optical Cable > DAC > 3.5mm out to headphones
You should really look into iFi Zen Dac. It costs (v1) USD 130 on Amazon with free shipping. Depending on the shipping, this (Fulla) will cost almost 120. So they are comparable in price, but iFi has more (different) features.
Well, they are a bit different in use, as Fulla is a dac/amp aiming for gaming, hence mic input that Zen Dac lacks. But if someone does not care about mic input and is good for USB only then Zen Dac is a great value for sure
Audiophile and bike lover here. When I saw that Triumph shirt, I actually cheered to my screen. Future Trident 660 owner here! Love the videos Josh!
Excellent intro! I have the Fulla 3 and use it with a pair of iLoud Micro Monitors for my iPad Pro's audio. Perfect little device for mobile audio.
As someone who just upgraded to a Triumph Street Triple RS I appreciate the shirt. Also excellent review!
Epic intro :)
"was that intro stupid"? No, it made me laugh, it was great!
oh man, i was waiting for your review. sucks i won't be getting one though. after my order was on "awaiting item" for over a week, Schiit messaged me saying it was lost and refunded me. oh well. dodged a bullet, i guess, from all the complaints about numerous issues people are having with it.
You're better off. Buy JDS or Geshelli labs and call it a day.
how do you know if your headphone amp isn't providing enough power? is it just volume?
Not just volume. Probably if it doesn't sound as described, but it's hard to tell at times
banger of an intro mate.
Review of the 2021 LCD-X coming up? Curious to here how it compares to the older version you’ve reviewed.
I have the Fulla 3 and am amzed how good it sounds and depressed I can't use it on my Series X. Microsoft come on!
Would be interested to see how this stacks up to the Fiio k5 pro.
They both have a warm shift to the sound, but the k5 has MUCH more power.
You keep teasing with that 604…lurking in the background….😆
SPDIF in and Analog in Mix option is great. Console players now can get game audio from their *console via SPDIF then feed their analog in with chat audio or mic monitoring.
*HDMI Audio Extractor required on: PS5, XBSX/S.
Wish Schiit actually made things anymore. Been waiting 10 weeks for my Jotenheim 2 to be built and they estimated 4-6 weeks. Still no updated estimate.
is Schiit Fulla 4 capable of running the Sennheiser hd560s or the hd6xx ?
Now we just need that Hel 2 review! :D
The look on the faces of others when they hear this video playing is just gold. Really nice intro. It reminds me of why I subscribed and liked that bell icon. Cheers from Australia.
That saddle angle makes me cry.
Hey Josh, do you have plans to make a video on the “Khadas Tone 2 Pro” ?
Can you plug in usb to PC and Plug in an optical and hear sound from both combined? Or is there a switch for which input to listen to?
Use case: high end headphones for Xbox and pc for party chat feature. Combined audio like my sound blaster X7 can do?
Please review the Khadas Tone 2 Pro - Reigning $200 champ
Looking for something like this to match my Drop+Sennheiser pc38x. Good match y/n? Also can i plug in small speakers and switch easy depending if I want to run headphones or speakers? Rookie here but I love good sound quality.
Also kudos on your Seiko Prospex Turtle SRP777. Atleast that’s what I think it is.
I wish there was a balanced dongle dac that sounds as good as the Fulla E. I've yet to find one that matches the warmth and fun of the Fulla. Closest I've found would be the Qudelix5K or maybe the Cayin RU-6.
That saddle tilt though
Bought one - loved it, hated that it was faulty though and had to go back :( PS5 wouldn't recognise it at all amongst other things)
0:40 That intro was cool?? YES
I schiit myself with that intro
The various IFi zen dacs are a great alternative if you live in Europe. You won't get anything from Schitt.
Congrats on 100K Josh! Hope your channel grows bigger and bigger, cause you deserve it.
Explanation for the intro killed me. Please don't ever change.
The Fulla 4 is rated for 200mW into 32ohm, I have the DT770 pro 32ohm, on the fx-audio dac-x6 with 910mW @ 32ohm at max volume its barely loud enough but not satisfying. I have an m-audio fast track that outputs similar power to the fulla and I can tell you its not enough, untill i bought the Ifi zen can i didnt have enough power for these headphones.
So i doubt this product can drive these sort of headphones that are in the middle range of the efficiency table, this might be good enough for supper efficient headphones or IEMs, and its a nice step into separating your analogue audio from your computer while it also gives you an external volume control wich I consider a must on PC or laptops just for the ease of access and it looks great if aesthetics are important for you.
Not sure why you couldn't get it working but that is supposed to be a mic in (just digital volume control instead of pot controlled like the Hel2).
Also the Fulla4 and Hel2 work with the Nintendo Switch and Playstation 4/5. Which is just awesome IMO.
Was gonna say the same!
Hi!, quick question and most important part of all, does the mic input work with the PS4/5 too? or just the headphone output??
@@shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh yes it works with consoles (ps4, ps5, and switch). Doesn’t work with Xbox but that’s on Microsoft, they need to allow the UAC1 or UAC2 standard. They easily could as windows 10 supports UAC2
@@snowrang3r657 Excellent, thanks.
My fulla 4 constantly disconnects. The USB-C they use on these are totally broken. I am not the only one, they have several complaints on their subreddits and other forums. I returned mine after having 2 replacements by schiit, and never looked back.
My first Hel 2 was broken and clearly wasn't tested. I told them that I preferred waiting another month with enough time for quality control instead of getting a broken replacement. They instantly sent me the replacement and... well.. It was broken. I'm still pissed.
the schiit 4 has a lot of problems. schiit employee over on the /r/schiit subreddit confirmed.
@@aenigmatistaentertainment2441 Do like me buy JDS labs and never look. Schiit products are overrated.
This would be awesome for competitive LAN's. Pair this with a SHP 9500 with your PC/XB/PS. You would have a killer setup.
You have got by a country fucking mile the best B-roll footage and then these intros are KILLLING it
BTW congratulations
You hit 100k and you deserve it
Really happy for you bro keep the good work flow.
When you said this wud fit nicely with Beyerdynamic headphones, does that include TYGER 300R?
Id say so
Is the Fulla 4 with LCD-X a mismatch? Am I missing a big chunk of capability or getting the most out of an LCD-X with it vs. higher priced competitors in the dac/amp game?
Spend 80% on headphone 20% on dac amp, or 90% 10%. In the midfi tiers the headphones themselves make a much bigger difference than most amps/dacs you can spend $200 on. If you are super happy with the LCD-X sound signature and want to see what gains you can unlock with higher end kits, go for it, but I'd be looking for functionality, streamers, or different flavored cans before going really crazy on amps and dacs.
This thing is literally 9(10% increase) dollars more expensive and this video just released today. The price increases this last year are just unreal.
hear alot of people got problems with this and the hel 2
Not gonna lie I am enjoying your reviews more and more. I think your true personality is starting to come out. I do wish sometimes for quicker reviews and think a shorts page would be huge. Quick capable reviews would be huge. This one was great review that didn't take too long and I liked it.
havnt watched a video in a while and i come back to that intro, AMAZING work bro thank you for that!
I had to go with the $200 champ, the Asgard 3. With the $110 Sanskrit 2 dac and the $70 Aiyima 07 amp (150 watt x 2 rms), my Klipsch towers now sound as good as my studio monitor headphones. Mind blown.
Sounds like a cool setup. The small Chinese amps are taking over.
I've read from several people that have issues with thise one.
Managed to get an Audient Evo 4 for AUD100, not getting anything else until I can find a MOTU M2 for cheap. The Shiits are great devices to get started with.
Im so glad I watched this vid, the bit on the Sundara vs fulla or magni answered my question even though I came looking at fulla 4 just for kicks. Saaaaaweeeeeeet
The intro is extremely cool
Loved it
Just the review I was waiting for! Also I could not find Kanto Speakers reviews in your channel, I really would like to hear your opinion
Hey Josh I think im gonna get the Fulla 4 but I had a question that I’ve been confused about.
If I have a pair of powered monitors and I want to use the preamp output on the Fulla, should I set the volume knob on the monitors all the way up and then just use the Fulla to control the volume?
Wait lightning to 3.5? That's just for the iPhone? No other apple products have outputs that are lightning... I'm confused
Agree about the Sundara,
I had the Sundara with a Magni Heresy and Modi 3 and it sounded fantastic, however from my dongle dac/amp (Cheap little DACMagic) it sounded thin and lacking life.
Intros like these really add up the production value and I liked it a lot! Let me ask, are those Seiko's new Marinemasters? 🤔
I bought a hel right before they came out with hel 2, but apparently the hel 2 has some quality control issues and my hel has been absolutely fantastic and has never missed a beat.
that intro was AMAZING lmao
Love your work! The camera work, and B-rolls are amazing!
Josh that into was great. If you do others in future, you should totally deadpan it back in the studio.. keep it all serious makes it less so! hehe.
A new one?
Already?!
For Macbook -> Heresy, is it different to use the USB-C dongle, vs. direct from headphone jack?
Sure, the intro wasn't "necessary" but I very much appreciate your artistic freedom and creativity with it. Keep it up dude!
Big fan of the Toslink input.
Hi Joshua, love your videos! I have a question: do you think the Fiio BTR5 is good enough for the HD 650? What other "cheap" dac+amp that I can use on the go with my phone can I get?
Yeah, I run my HD600's off of my btr5, which have a lower SPL than the HD650's and it gets plenty loud, even off of the single ended output. On the balanced output I run it at like 60% volume. If you don't mind the usb tether and the extra size, the IFI Hip-dac is even better, but you can't beat the convenience and portability of the btr5.
I fucking loved that intro.
Man I love that Schitty intro! Almost as much as my Schiit Fulla 2.
I have the Fulla 2. I want to use it for gaming, but I don't see how to connect the mic plug into it.
I bought the Fulla E ... 2 weeks later the mic input broke, 3 weeks later its completely dead... threw it in the bin and bought a SoundBlasterX G6... much better.... I bought it based on these reviews and was so disappointed.
Is anyone here familiar with the Lehmann Audio Black Cube Lineair and has compared it to some of these cheaper Schiit amps? The Black Cube is really good, but it is 15+ years old. Curious how it compares with some more modern budget options.
Will you be reviewing the Topping D90SE? Hoping you could do a comparison vs the D70s since the dual akm chips has high praise
Can you please recommend a neutral sounding headphone from the $100 to $200. I did refer to many of your recommendations but the sound signature is just not for me. I prefer neutral (whether Harman or the other. Both types of neutral is okay with me.)
Why did you not talk about it being a gaming dac/amp? Thats kinda the point of it. Should have compared it to the Hel more instead of the Heresy. Or why not mention the improvements and differences over the Fulla 3?
Hi Josh, and what about the double amping in that apple/schiit option. I tested dfr in chain with some desktop amp (tube hybrid) through RCA cable (2/RCA to 1/3,5mm) and it sounded like schiit :D, sound was muffled and mushy. On its own the dfr sounded much better...