I own 2 of the TS100 irons, and find they both perform well, so well in fact, I hardly use my Hakko 888D. I use a 19 volt PC Laptop power supply, and get excellent results. I looked at the price of the TS80, and wow, $80.00 to$120.00 for the iron, in some cases, another $20.00 for a power supply, I spent about $56.00 to $60.00 for my TS100 irons, and had some 19 volt PC Laptop power supplies, so I don't think I will be rushing out any time soon to replace my 2 TS100 irons. Now the reason I have 2, is so I can have the thin conical, and a wedge tip, and don't have to switch them out, so the TS80 tips would be a lot easier to switch, so I would only need 1 iron, and that would bring down the cost, but I like my 2 irons, they were a good investment in my opinion, and I will add, when I see folks using old irons, with huge tips, trying to do surface mount soldering, or soldering in tight spaces, I wonder why they make life so hard. Well, a little long winded, but I felt y'all needed my $0.02 ;)
Sorry to see that Dave had to take the video down. I own both of these and both are excellent irons. The TS80 is very comfortable to use with the supplied usb type c cord. It works well at 9 volts, it is limited at this time to just 2 tips but I have been told more are coming. The TS100 is also very good and comfortable when used with a straight barrel connector and silicon cord (I made my own). It works very well at rated 24 volts and 2.5 to 3 amps and proper tips. There is a great variety of tips for this iron ( although many are so close in shape and size that they should not be counted as "extra" tips). The advantage here is that it will work with 12 volt automobile circuits in the field. Both irons use open source firmware and can actually be run at greater than advertised voltages with no bad effects if you just use common sense. The main problem that I have found with the TS100 is the fact there are not enough power supplies that offer the needed 24 volts and 2.5-3 amps. Most laptop supplies are 19 volts and this is just not enough. It should ship with the correct 24 volt power supply in the first place. Aloha
I saw another video showing the TS 100 only pulling 10 watts when soldering using a 24v power supply. The TS 80 seems like a pretty great new iron. It will do about 20 watts You can still use it with a lipo you just need to use something like the ISDT battery checker. You can also use it from your car battery with a 3.0 quick charge adapter.
Rossmann has a review of the ts100 where he crammed on a ridiculously large wedge-shaped Hakko tip (same tip connection design), just to see if it would work, and it still melted through a big connector on a PCB ground plane like butter (at 24v). Strange to see it not working as well here. Wonder if that smaller tip really is making a difference?
If the tips work the same as the jbc ones, different tips will have different heater elements with different power ratings, a small jbc tip will draw only about 25% the power the station can supply but a big tip will draw 100%, lots more of calorific power.
I think the primary problem Dave is having... is he's looking at the irons from the eyes of an Electronics Engineer. Go figure huh? He's not looking at it from the perspective of a broke AF tinkerer who's trying to maximize dollar to value ratio. Someone who's trying to keep it as cheap as humanly possible, and doesn't want to buy one of those rotten POS radio shack irons that take fifty years to heat up and twenty five years between soldering joints.
Yeah, as I watched it I started thinking the same thing. He was kinda bashing it... although honestly those are the SAME GRIPES I would have that would annoy the piss out of me. That stupid, fiddly, allen-key lock... I can't keep those things from being lost unless they're 1: in a huge ring of them that's hard to lose and stays at home in the toolbox or 2: attached to a clip on the back of my server. Or is that a torx one? I haven't used it in a while, lol. Didn't lock the case top. Either way... looks like I'll be spending the extra $. (Sorry for the duplicate post, for some reason one of the YT tabs was still signed in as the previous user! (I'm at work.) - I've deleted the other one though, since it wasn't their comment and I don't want them confused, heh.)
I think I know why he was biased. He discovered the TS100 way too late (he was reviewing "new" irons while it was already out for a year). When he discovered the TS80 he was one of the first so he went into "TS100 was shit anyway" mode to cover that up. PS. There's still some part of good knowledge out of this video though. It appears that a decisive difference is made by tips, their mass, and sometimes they're just bugged (e.g. reviews show both models having temp discrepancies depended on tip).
He tries way too much to make the TS100 fail. I think it's pretty obvious he was biased because he discovered the TS100 way too late in the game when for the TS80 he was one of the first reviewers so he went into "TS100 was shit anyway" mode to cover that up. PS. However, there's still some good knowledge from this video. The default tip of the TS100 is too low capacity (probably because it's just less metal at the very end tip).
I've not seen the full video, but just at the position I've pressed to see how is the video, you're criticizing the TS100 because doesn't have USB connection as input and you can't use battery packs, but the TS80 needs 9v and the most of the battery pack uses an standard voltage of 5v, so you can't use the most of them...
Conical tip is making all the difference here. Use the same tip at least... Louis Rossman has a much more accurate review of the TS100. Edit: OH! Why is your DC bench power supply delivering only 0.9amps to the TS100? Is your power supply broken? This makes the whole review invalid.
Definitely not a fair comparison with the tips.....buuuut, I do agree that the TS80 is the winner and it will be the one I buy. USB-C connection, shorter distance from handle to tip, metal housing, all wins!
Biased. Heat recovery was clearly superior with 100. No comment or investigation why at 24 volt 100 pulled so little current. Compared 100 at 24 watt to 80 at 18 watts and more appropriate tip...???
You didn’t insert the TS100 tip correctly and therefore added almost 1cm of finger-to-tip length. Also, in my opinion the TS100 is far superior because of the higher power output and heat stability. Secondly, you said the tips are not compatible with anything else in the market. You should review that statement because myself and many more people use hakko tips on their TS100. Finally, it is a good thing that the TS100 handle is plastic because it means is non-conductive. I wouldn’t come near to a medium/large sized capacitor with the TS80. P.D.: the TS100 costs half the price of the TS80.
Lol, I just bought a TS100. Now thinking the TS80 would've been a better buy. Oh well, both are decent irons by the sounds of it..... now if i could only work out a way to justify ALSO getting the TS80..
Dave deleted the original video because too many emailers/commenters were poor at comprehension as he explained here: www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1116-ts100-vs-ts80/
It looks like the TS100 would be better for field repairs on drones and R/C craft since you WOULD have a bunch of 3S-6S batteries (it's range) on hand with XT60 connectors like that, PLUS it has some awesome features that have not yet been implemented and, depending on the hardware capabilities, may never be on the TS-80, such as using it as an oscilloscope. The TS-80, on the other hand, looks a lot better for ME, as my personal business involves a lot of installing hardware in costumes and equipment that's used in shows, so may be damaged as it's banged about in use. I always carry a QC3.0 pack for my phone already, and will probably just get a bigger one to go with the TS-80 myself, as it DOES seem worth the extra $25 to me for what I need. Thanks again for the video repost! It was very helpful to me in making my decision. Now it's just a case of waiting for it to ship. :-)
not hard to figure out that you’re leaning towards the ts80 from the beginning & almost like you want it to fail but maybe 3 years later you’re no longer biased, who knows lol
@@DoctorThe113 I bough my TS80 from Ali from this Novellife shop, totally fine as expected. I ordered full package with power adapter since my Galaxy S6 charger doesn't support QC3.0. Also got from a local store QC3.0 10Ah powerbank (16,00.-euro cheapo, but enough for outdoor/no power usage). Dave is absolutely right about aluminium vs plastic - TS80 wins here 10 out of a ten even comparing to a Weller (old magnastats or new stations, doesn't matter) or 500-1000 euro Ersa stations.
@@EngineeringSiblings I didn't said they wrong, i said TS80 win on this parameter since during years of usage heat and mechanical stresses damage plastic handles. Mass production have to do it this way, since its cheaper and easier to make, assemble and replace plastic parts, and also cost effective for end business customer - manufacturer, repair shop etc. However, for a guy like Dave, mr. MicroFarad and your humble servant - we dont use tools 24/7 like companies, for us it's resource is nearly unlimited, doesnt matter is it Weller station or TS80, so there is no point in spending like 3-5 times more money on a thing, that will crack after a decade (unless it makes you money, but that is another story).
I have mophie 3xl powerstation which can supply up to 20V and 45W power on usb-c port, but it couldn't power up the TS80, since it's not QC3 compatible, it's using USB-C PD (power delivery). Is it possible to power up TS80 with USB-C PD chargers and powerbanks?
I am in total disagreement with your info in this video, I own BOTH ts-80 & ts-100...the ts-100 in my opinion is a stronger iron as it will go to 65 watts, the barrel jack is better..the usb-c is flimsy and it can only handle 12 volts, plus the tips on the 80 are very expensive and there's not a large selection...after using both, the 100 out performs the 80 substantially. I've used both extensively and I always go to the TS-100 it is just the better of the two. Your testing seems biased toward the ts-80...in all fairness, the ts-100 is a better iron....again, that my opinion after using both.....lastly, there are more power supply options for the 100 given it handles more power than the 80 which is limited to 12 volts and can't generate enough wattage. Thank you for the video and I know this is a few yrs ago, but, TS-100 is definitely better. P.S...I also have the Sequre ts-100 generic knock off, it uses the same tips and it also works better than the 80,plus it also handles up to 24 volts and generates 65 watts...the Sequre TS-12 system is a fantastic little battery/24 volt iron which is 65 watts also.....it is the mss-12 model....it uses the ts-12 tips...excellent iron.!
Obviously you did not read the first line of the description above. As for the ts-80 and the ts-100, I own neither and know jack shit about them. But according to the specs the ts-80 requires 9V at 2A thus 18watts, low power at any level. As for the USB-C plug, millions of people use this type of connector on their mobile devices everyday, they and I find it reliable, I have not had a failure yet not to say it won't happen. As for saying the USB-C can only handle 12V shows me you have never read the specs, the USB-C can handle 48V at 5A, 240watts, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_hardware#USB_Power_Delivery enjoy the read, you have just become better educated. Ta
@@RichBristol ...thanks for the feedback, I was referring to the usb-c jack for the ts-80 only, I've used c for many other things per sae....the ts-80 won't handle anything more than 12 volts, it will give the high voltage warning and won't work after 13 volts, the c plug on the 80 is a bit loose and flimsy, my point is, although the 80 is a very good iron, it just doesn't measure up as far as versatility of the 100...so, as we are all entitled to an opinion, that is mine....both are excellent for what they can do and the technology is fantastic...I was just saying the 100 is a bit better....albeit, it would be nice if it were an aluminum case like the 80. Thank you and best wishes.
usb c itself can handle like 120watts the one on my phone goes upto 30v 4a, its depends on how its configured, personally i use the T12 stations, cheaper tips, more wattage and over all cheaper in general, and performs really good. the ts100 should get annoying if you change the temprature too much, those buttons seem too iffy for me, i rather prefer a knob and a dedicated station, i even made a battery powered t12 station with 18650's and its great, can get 72watts from it too
I just got off of a live stream (Aug 26, 2023, so I don't know what title it'll come up as when released) The way he explained it was that he was flooded with so many angry comments and emails about how unfair it was that he didn't use the same tip for both, that it was just best to take it down - out of sight, out of mind. The only alternative, which would have taken much, much more time and effort than it'd be worth, would have been to ("properly") re-shoot, edit, reload (losing all comments, even the good ones) etc.
Finally someone who dare to have a real opinion and use facts to argue for it. To many TS80/TS100 reviewers end up not making a clear cut. Well done Dave/EEVBlog and thanks saving this here, I will definitely spend my money on the TS80..
don't you need to do a bit of research before doing the review? and what the point of doing a comparison if you are using different voltage and tips? a very bad review in my opinion.
I own 2 of the TS100 irons, and find they both perform well, so well in fact, I hardly use my Hakko 888D. I use a 19 volt PC Laptop power supply, and get excellent results. I looked at the price of the TS80, and wow, $80.00 to$120.00 for the iron, in some cases, another $20.00 for a power supply, I spent about $56.00 to $60.00 for my TS100 irons, and had some 19 volt PC Laptop power supplies, so I don't think I will be rushing out any time soon to replace my 2 TS100 irons. Now the reason I have 2, is so I can have the thin conical, and a wedge tip, and don't have to switch them out, so the TS80 tips would be a lot easier to switch, so I would only need 1 iron, and that would bring down the cost, but I like my 2 irons, they were a good investment in my opinion, and I will add, when I see folks using old irons, with huge tips, trying to do surface mount soldering, or soldering in tight spaces, I wonder why they make life so hard. Well, a little long winded, but I felt y'all needed my $0.02 ;)
Why didn't you buy one Ts100 and just switch tips?
@@noudlindeman1931 You mightn't have watched the whole video above. Changing tips on TS100 seems to be pretty cumbersome especially outdoors... Cheers
Sorry to see that Dave had to take the video down. I own both of these and
both are excellent irons. The TS80 is very comfortable to use with the supplied
usb type c cord. It works well at 9 volts, it is limited at this time to just 2 tips but I
have been told more are coming. The TS100 is also very good and comfortable
when used with a straight barrel connector and silicon cord (I made my own).
It works very well at rated 24 volts and 2.5 to 3 amps and proper tips. There
is a great variety of tips for this iron ( although many are so close in shape and
size that they should not be counted as "extra" tips). The advantage here is that it
will work with 12 volt automobile circuits in the field. Both irons use open source
firmware and can actually be run at greater than advertised voltages with no
bad effects if you just use common sense. The main problem that I have found with
the TS100 is the fact there are not enough power supplies that offer the needed
24 volts and 2.5-3 amps. Most laptop supplies are 19 volts and this is just not enough.
It should ship with the correct 24 volt power supply in the first place. Aloha
Thanks! I really would want the ts80 but ... reeeaaally bummed about the tip assortment ...
Don't you find the ergonomics of the 100 annoying?
It it's an awkward shape.
@@Darieee make your own tips dawg
@@schlomoshekelstein908 how 😳 ?
@@Darieee jam a nail in the end
I just love that he is keep saying that tip is to small and yet he is keep going with the "review" ...
I saw another video showing the TS 100 only pulling 10 watts when soldering using a 24v power supply. The TS 80 seems like a pretty great new iron. It will do about 20 watts You can still use it with a lipo you just need to use something like the ISDT battery checker. You can also use it from your car battery with a 3.0 quick charge adapter.
Is this confirmed in any other video? I already had problems with bigger components and was wondering why 60 Watts were so painful to work with there.
/watch?v=83STpUXHilk
Rossmann has a review of the ts100 where he crammed on a ridiculously large wedge-shaped Hakko tip (same tip connection design), just to see if it would work, and it still melted through a big connector on a PCB ground plane like butter (at 24v). Strange to see it not working as well here. Wonder if that smaller tip really is making a difference?
If the tips work the same as the jbc ones, different tips will have different heater elements with different power ratings, a small jbc tip will draw only about 25% the power the station can supply but a big tip will draw 100%, lots more of calorific power.
I think the primary problem Dave is having... is he's looking at the irons from the eyes of an Electronics Engineer. Go figure huh?
He's not looking at it from the perspective of a broke AF tinkerer who's trying to maximize dollar to value ratio. Someone who's trying to keep it as cheap as humanly possible, and doesn't want to buy one of those rotten POS radio shack irons that take fifty years to heat up and twenty five years between soldering joints.
He pulled this video because he got too much hate for being 'negative' about the TS100
Yeah, as I watched it I started thinking the same thing. He was kinda bashing it... although honestly those are the SAME GRIPES I would have that would annoy the piss out of me. That stupid, fiddly, allen-key lock... I can't keep those things from being lost unless they're 1: in a huge ring of them that's hard to lose and stays at home in the toolbox or 2: attached to a clip on the back of my server. Or is that a torx one? I haven't used it in a while, lol. Didn't lock the case top. Either way... looks like I'll be spending the extra $.
(Sorry for the duplicate post, for some reason one of the YT tabs was still signed in as the previous user! (I'm at work.) - I've deleted the other one though, since it wasn't their comment and I don't want them confused, heh.)
I think I know why he was biased. He discovered the TS100 way too late (he was reviewing "new" irons while it was already out for a year). When he discovered the TS80 he was one of the first so he went into "TS100 was shit anyway" mode to cover that up.
PS. There's still some part of good knowledge out of this video though. It appears that a decisive difference is made by tips, their mass, and sometimes they're just bugged (e.g. reviews show both models having temp discrepancies depended on tip).
How did you comment on a pulled video?
@@LEO-xo9cz This is a reupload
He tries way too much to make the TS100 fail. I think it's pretty obvious he was biased because he discovered the TS100 way too late in the game when for the TS80 he was one of the first reviewers so he went into "TS100 was shit anyway" mode to cover that up.
PS. However, there's still some good knowledge from this video. The default tip of the TS100 is too low capacity (probably because it's just less metal at the very end tip).
I've not seen the full video, but just at the position I've pressed to see how is the video, you're criticizing the TS100 because doesn't have USB connection as input and you can't use battery packs, but the TS80 needs 9v and the most of the battery pack uses an standard voltage of 5v, so you can't use the most of them...
this isn't a good review. he didn't do any research for both of them
Conical tip is making all the difference here. Use the same tip at least... Louis Rossman has a much more accurate review of the TS100. Edit: OH! Why is your DC bench power supply delivering only 0.9amps to the TS100? Is your power supply broken? This makes the whole review invalid.
Definitely not a fair comparison with the tips.....buuuut, I do agree that the TS80 is the winner and it will be the one I buy. USB-C connection, shorter distance from handle to tip, metal housing, all wins!
Biased. Heat recovery was clearly superior with 100. No comment or investigation why at 24 volt 100 pulled so little current. Compared 100 at 24 watt to 80 at 18 watts and more appropriate tip...???
Awesome video, ty for the information. Im going with the ts80, this was helpful in showing the differences. keep it up!!
You didn’t insert the TS100 tip correctly and therefore added almost 1cm of finger-to-tip length. Also, in my opinion the TS100 is far superior because of the higher power output and heat stability. Secondly, you said the tips are not compatible with anything else in the market. You should review that statement because myself and many more people use hakko tips on their TS100. Finally, it is a good thing that the TS100 handle is plastic because it means is non-conductive. I wouldn’t come near to a medium/large sized capacitor with the TS80.
P.D.: the TS100 costs half the price of the TS80.
old man shouting at the sky
Lol, I just bought a TS100. Now thinking the TS80 would've been a better buy. Oh well, both are decent irons by the sounds of it..... now if i could only work out a way to justify ALSO getting the TS80..
If only they made that little mean bastard 20volts from type-c
Oh dear... that tip, with that wattage, What a monster it would be.
@@EngineeringSiblings zero
Yeah USB-C was a missed opportunity for a much more dynamic standard
Dave deleted the original video because too many emailers/commenters were poor at comprehension as he explained here: www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1116-ts100-vs-ts80/
It looks like the TS100 would be better for field repairs on drones and R/C craft since you WOULD have a bunch of 3S-6S batteries (it's range) on hand with XT60 connectors like that, PLUS it has some awesome features that have not yet been implemented and, depending on the hardware capabilities, may never be on the TS-80, such as using it as an oscilloscope. The TS-80, on the other hand, looks a lot better for ME, as my personal business involves a lot of installing hardware in costumes and equipment that's used in shows, so may be damaged as it's banged about in use. I always carry a QC3.0 pack for my phone already, and will probably just get a bigger one to go with the TS-80 myself, as it DOES seem worth the extra $25 to me for what I need. Thanks again for the video repost! It was very helpful to me in making my decision. Now it's just a case of waiting for it to ship. :-)
Too bad he pulled it. Big fan of the TS-100 going in (and still) and I really liked this video.
Compaireing apples to oranges. Get equal tips
TS100 is compatible with Hakko tips.
not hard to figure out that you’re leaning towards the ts80 from the beginning & almost like you want it to fail but maybe 3 years later you’re no longer biased, who knows lol
Is there an official store for buying TS100/TS80 on AliExpress/Banggood/etc?
I can't seem to find one. Let me know if you find one.
@@DoctorThe113 You can go from miniware website (look on a product page, there are sales links) , on ali shop name is Novellife
@@VKuzmenkov I found one. Thanks. Btw do you recommend getting from banggood or aliExpress? If you bought one.
@@DoctorThe113 I bough my TS80 from Ali from this Novellife shop, totally fine as expected. I ordered full package with power adapter since my Galaxy S6 charger doesn't support QC3.0. Also got from a local store QC3.0 10Ah powerbank (16,00.-euro cheapo, but enough for outdoor/no power usage). Dave is absolutely right about aluminium vs plastic - TS80 wins here 10 out of a ten even comparing to a Weller (old magnastats or new stations, doesn't matter) or 500-1000 euro Ersa stations.
@@EngineeringSiblings I didn't said they wrong, i said TS80 win on this parameter since during years of usage heat and mechanical stresses damage plastic handles. Mass production have to do it this way, since its cheaper and easier to make, assemble and replace plastic parts, and also cost effective for end business customer - manufacturer, repair shop etc. However, for a guy like Dave, mr. MicroFarad and your humble servant - we dont use tools 24/7 like companies, for us it's resource is nearly unlimited, doesnt matter is it Weller station or TS80, so there is no point in spending like 3-5 times more money on a thing, that will crack after a decade (unless it makes you money, but that is another story).
I have mophie 3xl powerstation which can supply up to 20V and 45W power on usb-c port, but it couldn't power up the TS80, since it's not QC3 compatible, it's using USB-C PD (power delivery). Is it possible to power up TS80 with USB-C PD chargers and powerbanks?
thanks sharing
I am in total disagreement with your info in this video, I own BOTH ts-80 & ts-100...the ts-100 in my opinion is a stronger iron as it will go to 65 watts, the barrel jack is better..the usb-c is flimsy and it can only handle 12 volts, plus the tips on the 80 are very expensive and there's not a large selection...after using both, the 100 out performs the 80 substantially.
I've used both extensively and I always go to the TS-100 it is just the better of the two.
Your testing seems biased toward the ts-80...in all fairness, the ts-100 is a better iron....again, that my opinion after using both.....lastly, there are more power supply options for the 100 given it handles more power than the 80 which is limited to 12 volts and can't generate enough wattage.
Thank you for the video and I know this is a few yrs ago, but, TS-100 is definitely better.
P.S...I also have the Sequre ts-100 generic knock off, it uses the same tips and it also works better than the 80,plus it also handles up to 24 volts and generates 65 watts...the Sequre TS-12 system is a fantastic little battery/24 volt iron which is 65 watts also.....it is the mss-12 model....it uses the ts-12 tips...excellent iron.!
Obviously you did not read the first line of the description above.
As for the ts-80 and the ts-100, I own neither and know jack shit about them. But according to the specs the ts-80 requires 9V at 2A thus 18watts, low power at any level.
As for the USB-C plug, millions of people use this type of connector on their mobile devices everyday, they and I find it reliable, I have not had a failure yet not to say it won't happen.
As for saying the USB-C can only handle 12V shows me you have never read the specs, the USB-C can handle 48V at 5A, 240watts, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_hardware#USB_Power_Delivery enjoy the read, you have just become better educated. Ta
@@RichBristol ...thanks for the feedback, I was referring to the usb-c jack for the ts-80 only, I've used c for many other things per sae....the ts-80 won't handle anything more than 12 volts, it will give the high voltage warning and won't work after 13 volts, the c plug on the 80 is a bit loose and flimsy, my point is, although the 80 is a very good iron, it just doesn't measure up as far as versatility of the 100...so, as we are all entitled to an opinion, that is mine....both are excellent for what they can do and the technology is fantastic...I was just saying the 100 is a bit better....albeit, it would be nice if it were an aluminum case like the 80.
Thank you and best wishes.
usb c itself can handle like 120watts the one on my phone goes upto 30v 4a, its depends on how its configured, personally i use the T12 stations, cheaper tips, more wattage and over all cheaper in general, and performs really good. the ts100 should get annoying if you change the temprature too much, those buttons seem too iffy for me, i rather prefer a knob and a dedicated station, i even made a battery powered t12 station with 18650's and its great, can get 72watts from it too
I'm sorry but you are not fair in you computation my opinion
I just got off of a live stream (Aug 26, 2023, so I don't know what title it'll come up as when released)
The way he explained it was that he was flooded with so many angry comments and emails about how unfair it was that he didn't use the same tip for both, that it was just best to take it down - out of sight, out of mind.
The only alternative, which would have taken much, much more time and effort than it'd be worth, would have been to ("properly") re-shoot, edit, reload (losing all comments, even the good ones) etc.
Finally someone who dare to have a real opinion and use facts to argue for it. To many TS80/TS100 reviewers end up not making a clear cut. Well done Dave/EEVBlog and thanks saving this here, I will definitely spend my money on the TS80..
don't you need to do a bit of research before doing the review? and what the point of doing a comparison if you are using different voltage and tips?
a very bad review in my opinion.
it looks like a stolen video of eevblogs.
Both are crap for the money especially ts80.
what would be a better option?
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