Harbeth at Munich High End 2018 - interview with Alan Shaw. - Soundex.ru
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- Last year Harbeth Audio started to sale new Jubilee loudspeakers, that become very popular. Alan Show tells about rules he follows to design loudspeakers.
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a Gentleman who knows what he's talking about . real. concise. and without BS.
i like his philosophy about speakers design. makes a lot of sense... a Great interview. THANK YOU..
Mr Alan Shaw you are truly a legend...i have been selling used HiFi as long as you have been designing speakers and i truly must say that Harbeth produces one of the best speakers in the world i have sold thousands of used speakers over the past 30 plus years and i always look forward to taking in the next used pair of Harbeths ... please keep up the EXCELLENT work cheers
First pair of Harbeths in 2002. Just waiting for my fifth pair. Two pairs have gone to my sons. Three pairs will be in my house. Lovely sound. Thanks, Harbeth.
What an interesting guy. Very knowledgeable. Loved this interview.
Amazing marketing and technical lesson based on high level products and Company. You really inspired me. Many thanks!
So very true. How can you say a speaker sounds great, if you've never heard the beauty of a real orchestra.
Another great interview with Alan. Alan's approach, mindset, and meticulousness were all instrumental in my choice to buy Harbeth loudspeakers. I don't feel like I'm aligning to this brand. I feel like we've been old friends all along.
Great point about listening fatigue, it's a deal breaker.
Алан, конечно, молодец. Говорит о простых вещах вроде, которые, тем не менее, игнорируются многими, начиная от создателей аппаратуры и заканчивая слушателями. Один из немногих, кто не только понимает тему, но и применяет свое понимание на практике.
thanks alan for the vision and execution.i relish every time listening to music through harbeth.
Alan , your a man with golden thoughts and golden hands !
Прекрасное интервью. Как он любит свою акустику. Мне сразу захотелось купить его колонки. Как он все точно рассказал про усталость.
vadimkrylov спасибо!
Just received my first set of Harbeths, P3ESR SE's. Best midrange I've heard in 30 years as a professional recording engineer. His point about fatigue is no joke. I spent a decade trying to get my Dynaudios to sound like Harbeths, but they're just too hyped, no matter what you do they exaggerate the highs and lows. The Harbeths are just right, they sound correct. Everything in its place.
Fantastic interview. I was looking at Harbeth speakers and this was so refreshing, I’m in love with the 40.2
Listening with my Linn Tukan xD great informative and honnest interview. Thank you!
2018, I purchased the Harbeth Monitor 40.2 40th Anniversary Limited Edition Speakers and I am in musical heaven. Only down side to my purchase is the monthly credit card payment, lol.
Congratulations!
Harbeth is one of the best kept secrets in audio!
Great interview. It was very enlightening.
My 2 cents, to fix the "cult club" problem is to educate the dealers of High End HiFi around the world to make an extra effort to bring in the younger/non audio enthusiast market by creating a friendlier and more welcoming environment in their shops.
Even adult usually can be lost emotionally, coming into hi-fi shop. Not everyone used to be guided by sellers and ready to ask the right questions.
Even this video sound unfatiguing
What a voice of reason! He takes the “F” out of the “ART” of speaker design! Hurrah for Mr Shaw.
Great interview... now I want to check out and try out the speaker.
Alan's concept of getting the vocal right,then the rest will fall into place is something that I've been trying to describe for the longest time. He is absolutely spot on. But I would to add for music, you need pace and rhythm too. There must be a sense of timing, musicians and music live on these two parameters. Of a use through the years I've come across some Brand of hifi are good at creating ambience rather then pace and rhythm. The speakers or any hifi equipment if cannot get pace and rhythm right will most likely be incorrect but not wrong.tks.
Ive only ever owned 1 pair of speakers which I love and still make me smile. I purchased these speakers in 1983/4 they are Rogers LS5. I'm drawn towards Harbeth as nothing last forever and I believe the ethos behind Harbeth fits my criteria
Outstanding, I believe you may be onto something ol chap.
Harbeth makes great products. People like their products. Harbeth makes more of them. It’s that simple. Not everybody likes hamburgers and fries. But you cannot deny the success and popularity of McDonald’s. Good work, Mr. Shaw.
So inspiring. Great. Thanks for sharing!
Haven't heard "Jazz at the Pawn Shop" in about 20 years. Good memories. Not my favorite music, but literally made me smile.
thx for sharing-great an interesting interview!!
Which loudspeaker of the Harbeth range is suitable for heavy metal music
I made a decision 15 years ago to but Harbeth, no regrets.
This young lady, respectively, has no business interviewing, if thats how you would characterize this abysmal interaction, with the likes of Mr. Shaw. Starting with her body language and lack of eye contact and seemingly lack of true interest in what he was saying. Mr. Shaw on the other hand carried and led this interview in professional fashion. Quite the gentleman.
She definitely wanted a piece of Mr. Shaw, you could see in her eyes she was thinking about his Pole Piece, she was wondering if she could exceed his Xmax
She was also wondering if he was Pistonic throughout his range
"Direct sound injection into the brain"............................................................................rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrright. I'll keep my humanity, thanks.
Yeah sounds scary hey
You got me now Alan :)
Давно мечтаю купить их акустику
я плачу! в смисле - сльёзи...
Отличное интервью, смотрится "на одном дыхании"! Очень интересный человек и очень приятная, непосредственная и "живая" девушка. И - очень красивая и естественная) Спасибо!
Спасибо за отзыв. Алан Шоу очень харизматичен и говорит об интересных вещах. Мария (девушка на видео) прекрасно провела это интервью.
Я несколько лет проживал в соседстве с англичанами (в большей степени пожилыми) и они, по крайней мере многие из них, очень приятные люди с хорошим юмором и очаровательными манерами, так что тут Алан Шоу является "типичным представителем")
Помимо бесспорных внешних качеств Марии, хотел бы ещё отметить её английский - он хорош, приятен и естесственен.
С нетерпением буду ждать новых роликов, искренне желаю вашему проекту всех благ!
It's hilarious to watch her reactions when he goes on a tangent about vacuum forming plastic to make speaker cones when all she wanted was a light casual conversation about how he works.
Interview is not for her. She's for viewing only.
Problem is, she’s out of her depth and clearly knows nothing about hifi
@@paulmountfortHear, hear, my thoughts exactly. Mr. Shaw was quite the gentleman.
'tsk for the insightful design concept,it"s mind opening. There is however more types of 'live' music reproduction other than 'classical music'.
This video was linked to a Harbeth enthusiast Facebook group, hence chiming in two years after its uploading. Alan Shaw is a marketing genius. But it also takes a special type of person to passionately tell the same story year after year after year. AS is that type of person. I was a Harbeth skeptic. How could an expensive, simple, thin-walled box sound good when we have been told that non-parallel speaker sides, rigidity and mass are critical starting points for any good sounding speakers? However, too many audiophiles whose opinions I respect love Harbeths so when a pair of 30.2 40th Anniversaries with TonTrager stands came up for sale on my favourite used gear website I decided to give them a try. Carefully paired with two subs (but running the Harbeths full range), I have a system that can play any music genre with great satisfaction. I actually love Alan Shaw’s philosophy towards audio and speaker design. I admire the way he thinks about the hobby and I admire his courage (yes, courage) in calling out an industry that has perverted what should be a relatively simple pastime to such a point that it preys on human neuroses. Bravo Alan Shaw. Bravo.
Hear hear!
A.S. may not know the truth but he definitily believes what he says. I owned a pair of M-30 and they made some things impresivelly well but ultimatelly lacking in what I would call a certain capacity to suit all kinds of music. We all know that the fundamental frecuency range is in the mids but what happens with the rest of the audio espectrum? if AM is enough to test a loudspeaker... well, I'm exagerating of course. Harbeth uses very good tweeters either. For me, the fundamental feature a superb speaker must fulfill is to vanish utterly leaving only the soundstage. Harbeth makes a strong point of this, the BBc engineers of yore knew what was important and results that the thin wall cabinet and loose joints of cabinet were and are a good and cheap way of making boxes to be used as loudspeakers.
@ 24:28 min Today many speaker cones are (still) made from materials like paper-wood, metal, carbon, magnesium, ceramics, etc..
Der Gore yes these things about drivers cones are confusing, besides that Alan tells wise things
He is trying to replicate the very basic "classic" paper cone JBL LE5 midrange made for ~50 years...
*I am not saying it is the best, but others ~are foolish~ denying attributes
falling so far outside of their own offerings.
How a loudspeaker reproduces speech is very important, but the voice source material also depends on the mic, mic setting, recording engineers' adjustment, and recording engineer's monitor speakers.
Aha, Jazz at the Pawnshop, swingin' Old Town, Stockholm. Great :)
The girl is very intelligent based on her questions.
The four generations of boxes is so logical
Харашоу! Вкл субтитры!0
Thay your are Maria ❤❤❤
Good evening. Can you recommend three turntables with arm up to 7000€ or so?
из интервью я понял , чтобы не уставать от прослушивания музыки ---- колонки должны стоить не меньше 5 шт💲, или может просто перестать слушать больше чем 2 часа в день и на громкости, которая бы помогала соседям чувствовать себя дома, а не на концерте.
fatigue ---- очень интересное аудиофильское слово 😁
Качество звучания аудиотехники на самом деле было достигнуто максимального значения в 80-х годах, потом начались большие колебания, не только в плане звука, но и в самой музыке.
So for Harbeth (maybe Spendor speakers), the best amp is a Hegel ? Apparently no clipping, I have a rega Elex -r and tried an aethos, it was better but not even near £2500 better so should I try a Hegel ? Please anyone advise me 😊
Charging premium price for a perceived 'premium' product? They are many products out there that sound good and not sold as 'premium' prices. Nowadays Hi-Fi quality sound's taste varies a lot what you tell someone who prefers one product over another at a different price point that his/her taste is inferior. SO buy whatever that meets your price point, your taste of the music and the sound production that goes with the music.
Good is good
Excellent speakers hands down, surely you will get off the speaker merry go round after buying these.
The last ones you need.
that girl could be johny depps sister.
Ha-ha!
Actually I think that she looks a lot like the actress Suzanna Hamilton.
She is as bored as cute.
head nod.... head nod "please don't ask me questions later".....
I auditioned 40.2 with Alan Shaw at KJ in London at a Harbeth demo and it was partnered with Krell amps...I told him the sound was bright and the staff began to find another replacement amp...I left shocked that between the man himself and KJ they thought the sound was actually good until I pointed out the obvious and they then agreed to change amps.
We are all just hearing what we think we're hearing. Further proving amps don't matter
Неоднократно ходил на оперу, насчет голоса не соглашусь тут с ним, натуральный вокал как раз таки звучит более жестко и утомительно, в отличии от многих акустических систем, так что натуральность звучания 100% тоже не всегда идет на пользу..
Он как раз говорит не о вокале, а о "speech", то есть, естественной речи. Опера - это уже использование голоса в качестве инструмента.
And I'll have... what she's having!
First you get a haircut
2:48 I love how hard she's trying not to put the drink down loudly.
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I say, after everything that was communicated and shared by the likes of Mr. Shaw, and your takeaway was the manner in which she put her drink down.🤦
if you are exposed to live music and maybe create music or play various acoustic instruments, then i think you can "judge" a speaker
So true !
와우.. 누나 이쁘시다...
What about a spiritual journey?
celebrated by donating $6000 ... some day :D
I dislike the heavily opinionated approach to HiFi that consumers are wrong and that you need experience to somehow form an opinion on what you like. I believe in the notion that the customer is always right, that they make the right choices based on the market and they are right because they have voted with their cash. I’d respect them. I believe if a firm makes a speaker hyped up high frequencies for example it suits a market for what the consumer wants. If they like dance, techno, dub, hip-hop or any other type of music that might be considered pop then they are right in the choices they make. Spoken voice doesn’t come into it when most people don’t listen to spoken voice - surely.
Well, that's the beauty of choice, right? I admire brands like this, whether you agree with them or not, they have a point of view and develop products or services based on those values. This is what Harbeth 'believes' and it's what drives their product development. It's because of this focus the brand continues to thrive. BTW have you listened to electronic music on them? Fantastic.
People buy what they know or, what they like or, what other people think they should buy. If they are lucky they might have made the right choice using those reasons to choose. There is a lot of equipment in homes that doesn’t get used because the reasons for buying didn’t direct the buyer to stuff that works properly in the context it’s used in. When someone who knows what works, chooses based on experience, the system starts in a good place and stands a better chance of being good. The ability to recognise good sound is dependant on being exposed to good sound and how to produce it. Alan Shaw chooses accurate reproduction of human voice as his benchmark because The BBC designed and commissioned monitors for studio and location monitoring. His background is there. As more equipment is becoming studio accurate, more people seem to be gravitating towards more accurate sounding playback. The human voice is a good reference, everyone has one and knows how it sounds. It’s easy to hear how a speaker deviates from accuracy by listening to a voice feed. Alan Shaw makes speakers to play back all genres. That means that in the sense of being a monitor it will give an accurate playback similar to the recording. So spoken voice has its role in the design modelling. The BBC needs their monitoring to be so good that when you walk into the control room from the auditorium it’s a nearly seamless transition from live sound to control room monitor sound.
@@christopherward5065 If you asked customers if they have bought the right gear, the vast majority will say they have because, as I say, they have voted with their money, so this is a big nod to the customer being king. What works in HiFi is subjective, like preference for food. A chefs experience on why food is 'better' doesn't come into it so far as the end result as to what you like or don't - your preference. It might add to their notion of understanding admittedly.
Whether a human voice is something we know is irrelevant to the fact that some people will interpret it different and it will reflect their gear choices.
The use of the word 'good sound' is again subjective and there are whole swathes of different opinions, not least of which anyone who has one has just as much a valid opinion as someone who might know much more how speakers work or are designed.
Whilst helping people add to their notion of what might sound good to them is valiant, I strongly believe in the notion and conviction that to make it too alien and that you need experience to make preference choices, is putting people off getting into HiFi. It's the equivalent of being told that you must like X chef's food. That would stop people going to try and it becomes only about those that would.
The HiFi industry needs, to my mind, to get away from this approach and make HiFi more inclusive because music essentially serves music and music is universal but hifi is niche. One reason it is staying niche is because to be seen to need experience beforehand, must by implication be off putting.
One question, how about live rock Concert.
A rock concert is about mass ecstasy and a high volume body experience. You would go deaf in a few months and still have not the same experience if you would have such a system at home. But I agree, ryhmic cohesion and immediacy are the most important factors in Hi-Fi.
Just wish to share. According to Julian vereker naim audio. His engineering parameters are pace,rhythm and timing. Music on paper is about notes. All are written in those three parameters. Naim audio excel in those three properties. But now, Alan is talking about accurately reproducing human voice. In getting the human voice right, the rest will fall into place. Which I consider very true also. So? Why not naim audio amplifiers on Har Beth speakers. But naim's speakers are still excellent in pace,rhythm and timing. Any thoughts? Appreciative! Tolls.
He says other approaches are hype and he doesn't go in for marketing. In case you hadn't noticed this long spiel is a heavy dose of marketing. Let the speakers speak for themselves. The BBC sound has been around a long time. Personally I don't want every recording to sound acceptable but ultimately dull. No recording sounds like reality anymore than a movie or a photo is like reality. It sounds absurd to say it about photos. Why are people still banging on about it in regard to sound?
Зачем эта девушка лезет в эту тему, не ужели не нашлось кого-нибудь кто более в теме хотябы того самого оператора. Данная особа совсем не заинтересованна в теме и задает банальне вопросы. Все имитирует заинтересованность и имитирует понимание. Похожа на студентку которая пришла на экзамен к профессору и пытается изобразить интеллект.
Оператор не так фотогеничен )
Она просто симпотная - вот и весь сИкрет! Сейчас (а в Ютубе темболее) важен хайп и фан, а не профессионализм и компетенции(!)
И английский у нее очень хорош! А по сравнению с оператором, так прям как родной.
She makes me thirsty.
keep your thirst outside of internet.
и слюни текли рекой из него...
Very intelligent guy. But I would prefer a speaker designer that focuses on instruments that are really hard replicate: piano, drums, bass. Gershman acoustics does that. The human ear is also extremely sensitive in one area: TIMING. And that is extremely important for music. Rhythmic cohesion and IMMEDIACY are the most important ingredients for Hi-Fi. It’s 2020. Stop making passive speakers. Go active with analog crossover (NO DSP!). A Passive speaker is like a truck with a belt drive...
Hey, he "knows the sound of the human voice", his own, what would you expect
from a man locked up in a barn for extended periods. A legend in his own mind.
I dont know how I found this video after Dr. Toole's video. An hour ago I learnt so much.
I'm not sure which is worse, this guy pushing pure BS or people who would buy it.
I am a big follower of Dr. Toole's work... Encyclopedic awareness and approaches.
I own and have compared Harbeth side by side other worthy products,
Alan is / has become utterly delusioned by his small world...
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I should build speakers and sell them,i could make speakers way higher end than harbeth,and sell them for half price..
Talk is cheap! Do It. Let us know when you have a viable product!
Have you made speakers?
Greed will eventually set in and you will end up like all the rest😀
It makes me incredibly uncomfortable watching this 'interview'. Alan is so painfully out of touch, socially inept and remarkably unaware of his surroundings. He needs to get out of that 15th century barn more often, be around actual people. Seeing him crowd his subject nearly off of the table, talking nearly nonstop ...at her... not realizing her relative state of discomfort. He does know a lot about the sound of the human voice ...his own... Working alone and being too thin skinned to welcome or invite input from a team of skill speaker builders, he clearly does not respect the views of others.
As a Harbeth speaker owner, I struggle respecting a man (that built one of a number of speakers that I own) that shreds the dignity of everyone in his existence... much as with classic autocratic narcissistic traits, people that cannot play nicely with others. What a bore...
I say ol boy, rather harsh words regarding our good Mr. Shaw. He's clearly taken time to sit down with someone who probably rather be doing something else, elicited by her body language, abysmal eye contact and weak line of questioning. She may want to reconsider her strengths. With regards to Mr. Shaw and his ways, you are certainly entitled to your observations and rather strong opinions, much as he is entitled to his observations and strong opinions regarding speaker designs and production values and such. An old phrase comes to mind, He who lives in a glass house should not throw.......well, you get know the rest. Good day sir and God speed.
What a dreadfully negative and dangerous message.