Wisdom of Ecclesiastes • Wisdom Ep. 3
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- Опубликовано: 14 мар 2023
- In this episode, Tim and Jon begin their discussion on the book of Ecclesiastes. This is an interesting book in Scripture, and the author is relentlessly trying to get the reader to rethink their black and white mindset. It can be a bit depressing to read, and it doesn’t quite give you the same type of feel-good wisdom that the book of Proverbs does. The guys will try to get at what this book is trying to teach us and what the author thinks it means to live a good and godly life.
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I'm glad Tim mentioned humility towards the end. I've concluded this is the bottom line of what God is after. When we think we're wise we realize we still know very little. This is what Job concluded. It is a humbling process to realize and recognize that God is God and we are not. This is the reversal of believing the lie Adam bought into that we can be our own god.
This is great. Well said. Humility and trust that leads to loving obedience
Well said, thank you for comments.
Well said
My favorite book, helped me realize what's really important and that all material things at the end is just vanity
Totally agree!! Naked we came in, naked we go out!
I believe "vanity" is related to "vain", as in "It was all in vain". It means 'pointless', or 'may as well not have happened'. Also, I think the closest word we have, in English, to the concept of "hevel" is "vapid". It is actually derived from the same source as "vapor" and similarly means 'unsubstantial' or 'offering no substance". I love Ecclesiastes.
Myst. For « Hevel », maybe a translation to the word « myst » would be fitting, also as in « mystery » . So, capturing both meanings of « smoke » and « absurd ». What do you think?
Can't wait to hear Job!
Ecclesiastes and Job (and Hosea) have become really important to me in this long season of loss I've been in.
Philippians 4 to be at peace even when suffering need.
Hebrews 4 enter into Jesus rest.
42 min in.
“Yeah, listen. We’re just in verse 2 of the book.”
Oh praise the Word every line every verse, a universe of depth. :D
If all good & bad are hevel/smoke or vapor in this existence then it really highlights faith, gratitude, & temperance. Cool juxtaposition of how the material world can be a super real hallucination & how the spiritual is much more real than we often believe it to be.
Love this take
"Super real hallucination" hahah, love it! ♡
This is such a necessary study.
It flips the tables on prosperity gospel and “name it and claim it” culture.
It even runs head long into apologetics defense of the problem of evil.
This is good.
I think "mirage" is a close English cousin. You can see it, but when you go to it, it's gone.
Vanity = self absorption = absurdity/futility... Maybe if we think of ourselves as vessels made by the potter & we are full of ourselves than we're actually empty & to attempt to learn anything turns out to be meaningless or absurd.
May, or may not be, a valid point on its own. But irrelevant to this topic. HVL is not 'vanity' as so many English translations have it. Maybe, back in 1600 CE England, 'vanity' had a meaning like 'smoke', 'vapour', etc. If so, its meaning has changed.
Listen to Holy Spirit with us and action service to God = eternal value (good & faithful servant), time well spent. Matt 25 whole chapter
Here in Thailand...and I gotta say that we serve those in Southeast Asia as we are making disciples and planting churches. These videos are so informative and inspiring.
This is great. Ecclesiastes is my favorite book!
Me too! It's freeing in a way to know that no matter how hard you try, what you do, what you know, it's only about your relationship with God and that is a beautiful thing
Says all the people with very little issues and no pain issues, inflammation etc
I love the wisdom books . Obsessed with them and read everyday . I want these teachings and principles drummed into my brain so I can live it out
I believe the author is simply saying hevel, hevel, because everything we do as human beings is temporary. From simple survival, all the way up to entertainment and power struggles amongst ourselves, is going to fade away and be replaced by the next person who wants to control "their" world. God has the ultimate say on everything and following his ways is as close as we will ever get to true fulfillment in this flesh.
Definitely a interesting book of the Bible!😊
My grandmother once said something with no assurance what so ever, promised to be taken along, to heaven
So today I finally knew what God wanted me to do i felt a aha moment and was so excited for it . I need to seek for wisdom like king solomon but first in for most it need to be done with a heart after yahweh ways and instructions I believe much is at hand oh my I dunno what coming next but guys god is so good he scary but he's also cool.!! Praise God I will sing to all the nations about your just way adonai
I love The Bible Project. I also love the book you all sent me a few years ago. God is sovereign, I have many experiences that brought me to a point of complete humility. My daughter was diagnosed with Hodgkins Lymphoma in October, she is 18. She is getting better but when faced with this, my first thought was , what did I do wrong? My question was misguided, then I began focusing on who God is and his reality, and my relationship with him, and looked at my life , the faith of my daughter and her courage that God gave her , brought me to my knees, so God is good , even when we have these hard moments.
Wonderful testimony of abiding faith n God's trustworthiness! 🙏
I really enjoyed this discussion on Ecclesiastes, thank you.
Amen ❤️ 🙏🏾 ❤️ Thank you for sharing your thoughts and beep studies. This was good.
I love how these concepts have been incorporated into other works but strange how people don't notice or value them for anything other than the superficial.
The reference to smoke, vanity, etc are talking about ‘fixed definitions’. The wisdom books are talking about establishing context rather than simply applying formulas or fixed definitions. Human experiences are like smoke, the appearance can be one thing but the internal meaning can be multiple things.
Always appreciate your work!
Thanks for all yall do
Thank you so much for elaborating on this book, which was always a mystery to me 😄🙌
It seems like a literal translation would best retain all the allegorical implications of the original word.
"Smoke, smoke, everything is smoke - merely chasing the wind."
Smoke also suggests pollution and occlusion of the solid things underneath. It gets in your eyes and makes it hard to breathe, like the uncomfortable observations of the Teacher. The suffering of the good and the success of the evil are a lot like a nasty cloud of poison smoke in that way.
Wow! Just wow! What a great lesson. Thank you.
Hi John and Tim, Blessings from Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic! Ecclesiastes is a book that talks about day life issues!
Actually one of my favorite scripts. It’s very relative to today.
The reference to Song of Songs regarding authorship is good. I tend to say the title could be any one of four: A song consisting of songs about Solomon; A song consisting of songs by Solomon; The best song about Solomon; The best song by Solomon. Then I plump for 'Solomon! The Musical', which equates to the first of my four options. It gets people's attention.
There's a tendency to think of Solomon starting well but going bad. Read carefully, the text shows disapproval pretty much from the start
Did I hear right this cast is originally from 2016? Was it released back then as well? Just don't recall hearing it before. Great conclusions!
June 2016 BibleProject podcast
Everything under the sun is Hebel. Only thing worth pursuit is God alone. Reminds me of Galatians 5:24 “those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh along with its passions and desires”
I’m wondering if all is hevel because in the beginning we weren’t meant to do this in the first place? We were suppose to rule with God in the garden. That’s why it’s never going to be worth much except like a testing ground where we choose God over materialism that gets burned in judgement anyway. It’s like a tragic story where we blew it in the garden and we’re all trying to save ourselves because that’s what we chose in the garden but it will never be lasting or workout because that wasn’t the original plan but God says , well okay , this is what you guys chose but it will end up being hevel . But you still have a soul and I will save you so all is not lost.
This was so enriching!
Myst. For « Hevel », maybe a translation to the word « myst » would be fitting, also as in « mystery » . So, capturing both meanings of « smoke » and « absurd ». What do you think?
I think everything point toSolomon its a fascinating book and I coincidentally just started study on it last week!
We all have our own purpose and mission
I love this wisdom series. So much ❤. However I do think that the teacher does sometimes mean life is meaningless because, an example being Ecc 4:1-3 ‘I saw the tears of the oppressed-
and they have no comforter;
power was on the side of their oppressors-
and they have no comforter.
2 And I declared that the dead,
who had already died,
are happier than the living,
who are still alive.
3 But better than both
is the one who has never been born,
who has not seen the evil
that is done under the sun.’
More 'unfathomable within my range of experience and knowledge' rather than 'meaningless' as an assertion
I’m not sure I’ve ever heard anyone lump in Elihu with the other 3 friends. It wasn’t a bet either. It was a test, but more of a recorded example for the rest of us.
“Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.”
James 5:11
Thank you!
In the Apocrypha the book of Sarach originally (Ecclesiastesticus) is like a continuation of Ecclesiastes. Answering even more Heval from the Bible.
may we know Lord that even if wisdom fails us that you never will and that it is all part of your plan!
I see as God showing us that, because it worked for me doesn’t mean it will work for you.
if you've read Fahrenheit 451, this was the book that our Guy Montag memorized ❤
I enjoy your guys video but I would to come on the show I can speak to your followers & ppl who listen to this show & show & teach them in a way where god has blessed me to teach & I know the viewers will understand what I say because I have a unique way of teaching about the truth & gods words not religion but real truth in ways in real life.
"Vanity" also means, "in vain" , in present-day English. Aka "for nothing" "for naught".👍
If you have died to self, vanity shows that you have not! You are doing things for yourself and not the Kingdom of Heaven.
The Messiah has set me free from that malignant hassatan.
Iron wont cleave with a clay footstool.
Sea turtles are super cool. I know these videos are behind in dates.. but keep up the good fight and stay strong Brian.
Idk if these episodes are all made already but the difference in volume between the talking and the music can be a bit jarring
I always thought it was David and Solomon
Amazing
I feel like hebel could mean unpredictable than what was described. Life is a gamble and things can be given or taken away from you by the choices we make whether it's good or bad. But honestly, I would just translate it Vapor. Smoke, Everything is vapor and smoke. Then just put a footnote down.
Hi please pray for my mind I keep hearing voices
Praying for you, for peace of mind, and for the fullness of the Holy Spirit to protect and guide you.
It is okay to seek professional help as well, God equips doctors to help us
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That verse chapter 1:16 might hint to it being King Josiah.
Song of Songs next please!
In Ecclesiastes 6 KJV, NIV, Living Bible, Revised Standard. They all say that there is a Evil that comes with wealth.
Brothers, going back to the source would be another issue because in my language, all the term you have there sum up to one word (Ahuhude)
State of mind etcz
Solomon repented in his later years and ended up writing Ecclesiastes
That's what I thought. Or I just hope to believe it, I would like to think he died knowing the Lord, I thought he followed the ways of his father David, doing good in the eyes of the Lord.( sometimes) I know he fell off but I thought he came back.
And plus….The record states:
“Who can say, ‘I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin’?
‘Surely there is no righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.’ ‘Everything else Solomon did while he was king is written in the records of Nathan the prophet, Ahijah the prophet from Shiloh, and Iddo the prophet who wrote about Jeroboam son of Nebat.”
2 Chronicles 9:29 CEV
Just like Jesus: ‘If every one of them [every act or words] were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
“When your people sin against you - and there is no one who does not sin - and in your anger you let their enemies defeat them and take them as prisoners to some other land, even if that land is far away, listen to your people's prayers. If there in that land they repent and pray to you, confessing how sinful and wicked they have been, hear their prayers, O LORD.”
2 Chronicles 6:36-37 GNBDC
This book and JOB always hit home for me after leaving the Army. The only thing worth doing besides raising your children and taking care of your family is living for Yahweh. Everything else is useless and for entertainment IMO. Blessings.
God loves you, repent and follow Jesus Christ❤️✝️🙏🏾❤️
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Is it just me or the RUclips ads on these videos are getting too much. It's really breaking the flow for me
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Smoke. Real but ungraspable (not a word, but it makes sense to me), not possible to grasp. You can grasp (grab hold of) physical things, and you can grasp (understand) concepts.
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If it’s not for the Kingdom of Heaven it won’t last it’s for your own vanity which makes it meaningless. Showing you that you have not died to self and taken up Jesus cross like Simon did for a time.
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Have you an answer to your final question on this podcast?
We shall not worship false idols
There are 12 Mysteries of God written in 27 verses in the Bible. Along with the 5 crowns.
How about that
Salomon maight have repended in old age. The Ecclesiastes indicate that - both tradition and the most logical answer is that Salomon wrote the book.
So, life sucks, good to know
It concerns me that they categorize other "religions" with true Christianity. "Religions" that worship idols, that elevate sinful humans and try to make them equal too the Lord, too the Holy Trinity. That pray to the spirits of men & women in the heavenly realm, in place of the the Most High God, through His Son, Christ Jesus. Jesus the Christ, who is the ONLY mediator between God and man. Catholicism is not Christianity. This is not directly related to this video, but in general to comments from the podcast. We as Christians should be praying for those deceived bye Catholicism and sharing the true Gospel with them.
So we’re saying God is a liar or inconsistent or incompetent deity?
NO SUCH THING AS A GAY CHRISTIAN, THE BIBLE IS CLEAR ABOUT SEXUAL IMMORALITY. PLEASE FIX YOUR TEACHINGS ON THIS.
Just learned Bible project advocates for homosexuality. How tragic.
Really?
Did you ask them to verify that statement. Or are you bearing false witness against thy neighbor or judging .
"The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of Allah"
"Messiah Jesus, son of David, son of Mary, and son of Joseph, is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation, for by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities---all things were created through him and for him, and he is before all things, and in him all things hold together."
If you're looking for a fight, you came to the wrong place. I pray the Holy Spirit fill you with Truth and Love.
That name Allah is nowhere to be found in the scriptures. That is adding and taking away from the pure words of scripture. @ Mohammed