The msr canister won't produce ignition at the stove because it's inverted and in liquid feed mode and cold. As you noticed the second canister lit because it was in the upright position. In order for a stove to vaporize the liquid fuel the pre-heating tube (generator) must be heated first hence why the msr didn't ignite. That is the reason that there are two different fuels inside the canister. One to start it when cold (propane) and one to burn once it is warmed (iso-butane). Below freezing the fuels separate. After lighting the stove you need to invert it or else all of the propane will burn off and you may find yourself unable to boil water even after 8-10 minutes. Might I suggest insulating the canister off of the ground and warming it inside your jacket if needed. I wrapped a lantern wick with wire around the built in priming cup for adverse conditions. A simple pre-heat with denatured alcohol lets you get going in liquid mode. Great video and awesome stove.
John Ellis: You are right in the extent that I tried to lite it inverted but, when I turned the valve on before that I didn’t hear any fuel come out. I should have gotten a raw fuel flame, I hoped for when I tried with the canister inverted. I know, I didn’t say anything and that is one of my traits. With second canister I heard the fuel escape when I opened the valve. Thanks for catching me on that and your comment.
Thanks Ted. Like PO Chuck says, the only way to test your equipment is by doing it in adverse conditions. Pretty chilly here today on the south shore of Lake Ontario but not quite as cold as what you're experiencing our wind chill is around -15 f. Thanks for your review.
Tedd, you have proven your stay alive kit is on game. excellent. i need to take a page or two from your book especially testing stoves in real weather conditions.
buzz kirschner: Thanks Buzz. Yes we do need to test critical equipment for use under the worst conditions possible so that we can be assured of their working for us. Case in point was my test of my Eteckcity rocket type stove earlier when brought inside from -25 C temps and the valve wouldn’t seal until indoors about ten minutes. At warmer temps it works great. Thanks for your comment.
Hi Tedd Glad to see you with gloves on. May I suggest a light pair of gloves under the main pair, like the old anti-contact gloves. Interesting to see that one fuel is better then the other. Now you'll have to try it at -40 (I'd help, but I think I'm busy that day) All joking aside I didn't think that the two fuels would be so different.
I didn't think it would be possible for any canister to work so cold and yes if you promise to assist me I'll watch for a -40 C time frame. Any combustion would be a surprise.
VolunteerEMS: Here we call a coat such as this a PARKA which pretty much designates it as being very cold weather to extreme cold weather outerwear. Almost all have: wrist bands to stop air or snow going up the sleeves, a belly band to seal your body from air up from the bottom, an insulated hood with the same insulation as the body and fur, usually coyote and is adjustable to close off exposure to the cold.. That day I wore only a cotton t-shirt and a light sweater under the parka, which is totally wrong for that temperature, but it was only 20 steps to the shelter of my home. My parka is insulated with goose down. Thanks for asking.
Pretty brave facing that weather to test a stove.. I guess it's the only way to really know though... Good job !
Many thanks Chuck. Yes, now I know for certain that things work.
The msr canister won't produce ignition at the stove because it's inverted and in liquid feed mode and cold. As you noticed the second canister lit because it was in the upright position. In order for a stove to vaporize the liquid fuel the pre-heating tube (generator) must be heated first hence why the msr didn't ignite. That is the reason that there are two different fuels inside the canister. One to start it when cold (propane) and one to burn once it is warmed (iso-butane). Below freezing the fuels separate. After lighting the stove you need to invert it or else all of the propane will burn off and you may find yourself unable to boil water even after 8-10 minutes. Might I suggest insulating the canister off of the ground and warming it inside your jacket if needed. I wrapped a lantern wick with wire around the built in priming cup for adverse conditions. A simple pre-heat with denatured alcohol lets you get going in liquid mode. Great video and awesome stove.
John Ellis: You are right in the extent that I tried to lite it inverted but, when I turned the valve on before that I didn’t hear any fuel come out. I should have gotten a raw fuel flame, I hoped for when I tried with the canister inverted. I know, I didn’t say anything and that is one of my traits. With second canister I heard the fuel escape when I opened the valve. Thanks for catching me on that and your comment.
Thanks Ted. Like PO Chuck says, the only way to test your equipment is by doing it in adverse conditions. Pretty chilly here today on the south shore of Lake Ontario but not quite as cold as what you're experiencing our wind chill is around -15 f. Thanks for your review.
Great video ! fumbly in the cold exactly like me lol. Real Canadian conditions. Will get one now. Ty !
Tedd, you have proven your stay alive kit is on game. excellent. i need to take a page or two from your book especially testing stoves in real weather conditions.
buzz kirschner: Thanks Buzz. Yes we do need to test critical equipment for use under the worst conditions possible so that we can be assured of their working for us. Case in point was my test of my Eteckcity rocket type stove earlier when brought inside from -25 C temps and the valve wouldn’t seal until indoors about ten minutes. At warmer temps it works great. Thanks for your comment.
Hi Tedd
Glad to see you with gloves on. May I suggest a light pair of gloves under the main pair, like the old anti-contact gloves.
Interesting to see that one fuel is better then the other. Now you'll have to try it at -40 (I'd help, but I think I'm busy that day)
All joking aside I didn't think that the two fuels would be so different.
I didn't think it would be possible for any canister to work so cold and yes if you promise to assist me I'll watch for a -40 C time frame. Any combustion would be a surprise.
Great job Tedd.
Mike Kelly Thanks Mike.
Doesn’t that stove have a manual igniter on it?
Hey what's that jacket called? And how many layers you got underneath? Just wondering
VolunteerEMS: Here we call a coat such as this a PARKA which pretty much designates it as being very cold weather to extreme cold weather outerwear. Almost all have: wrist bands to stop air or snow going up the sleeves, a belly band to seal your body from air up from the bottom, an insulated hood with the same insulation as the body and fur, usually coyote and is adjustable to close off exposure to the cold.. That day I wore only a cotton t-shirt and a light sweater under the parka, which is totally wrong for that temperature, but it was only 20 steps to the shelter of my home. My parka is insulated with goose down. Thanks for asking.