My name is Thomas Killourhy I am a 21 year old musician in america. Paddy and John Killourhy are my great, great uncles. I could not be prouder to be a killourhy after watching this video, music runs through our veins.
You have every right to be proud of your ancestors and their musical heritage. Is maith an rud é go bhfuil to ag casadh cheoil 🎶 anois thall í Meiriceá.
I'm here in Galway. You have every right to be proud of your musical heritage. We try to beat Clare here but we seldom succeed, though Galway has good music too.
So, between us, the musicians are (left to right): Packie Russell - concertina Gussie Russell - concert flute John Killoury - fiddle Rory O´Connor - whistle Stevie McNamara - tambourine Willie 'Bheag' Shannon - fiddle And I'd suggest they were probably filmed in 1973?
I love that old style bodhran [or should I say tambourine] playing while I admire the virtuosity of players like Ringo McDonagh or John Joe Kelly there's real excitement in that old goatskin bashing!😆
There are those commenting on this clip who knew the man. I believe this clip was filmed the same day as the other RUclips one of Packie Russell ("Doolin Music From 1973"), on 16th April 1973, in which Rory is also sitting behind him, and both Gussie Russell and John Killoury can be seen (fleetingly) in the background. Also, though the player is different, it's the same tambourine in both clips.
Don't be dafft, slimskinshin - I guess you must be too young to remember them, but when I was first introduced to traditional music, in the 1960s, bodhrans were still commonly called tambourines by country people, and many had jingles on them. I've talked to people who played them back in the 1920s, and there are published photos from the '40s, even LP records from around 1970, like Seamus Tansey's first one, and Music from the Coleman Country. I'll be playing mine in Gurteen over the weekend.
This returns me to my backpacking days and many a pint of the black stuff in Gussie O'Connor's bar in Doolin from 1975 onwards. Spot the old style pennies in the rim of the bodhran used to produce a tambourine effect. Oh nostalgia isn't what it used to be!! Thanks for the memory.
I never knew Rory, but I've found a photo of him in 1973 on the Clare Co. Library website and it does look like him, though I also found one of Paddy and John (Jack) Killoury (spellings of the name vary), in the same year, that confirms my identification of John as the fiddle player in the middle. But the photos confirm that both Rory and Paddy had the same taste in hats, as well as both playing whistle! I also found a photo of the tambourine player, whose name was Stevie McNamara.
Thats not a tamborine or bodhran that man is playing. Jingles on a bodhran your havin a laugh. I cant imagine where he got it but its a daff. An Iranian percussion instrument easily recognisable by the thumb hole which is easily visable and those jingles. This is amazing footage and such a strange tipper style an inverted west kerry. Maybe he got this exotic drum while working in England and made his own style. This is quite amazing and id love to know its story and does it still exist.
Hi Peter, nine months ago I thought it must be John Killourhy on the whistle, but then somebody mentioned Rory O'Connor and I found a photo of him on the Clare Libraries website. I didn't meet John until around 1980.
Yer man is no moron on the bodhran. He plays it like its supposed to be played Not like eejits today who spaz out thinking they're in an 80s rock band.
This was my local for a couple of years in the early 70s. Amazing to see it in this video. I can confirm that it is Gussie on the flute but, alas, no Micho. Actually Packie and Micho very rarely played together. The fiddle player in the glasses is Willy Beag (can't remember his surname at present). He often disappeared into the gents with his fiddle as he like the acoustic in there!
I would say this was recorded in the early 70's in Doolin,County Clare. Packie Russell on the concertina and I think Gussie and Micho are there as well.
Would love some videos from McGann's Pub from the late 70's and early 80's. Guys like Roger Burridge, Kevin Griffin....I heard Tommy Peoples would come around, and Christy Barry, Seamus Creagh....must've been incredible tunes!
@ uilleann86 Em, no that's a tambourine - can't you here the jingles? In fact the traditional Irish frame drum was always formerly called a tambourine, and commonly had jingles. It wasn't until Sean O Riada came along (and did away with them) that it became known as the bodhrán. I should know, I've been playing Irish tambourine for the past 35 years. Sorry!
@@davogrynne It's not Packie that's being called an Anglo anything - but the type of concertina he played is called an Anglo... (short for Anglo-German)
That's Gussie Russell on the concert flute, but I don't see any sign of Micho. The whistle player appears to be John Killourhy (also sitting behind Packie Russell in the 1973 clip), with his brother Paddy sitting in front of him on fiddle (so two pairs of brothers are playing together). This clip is the only one I've seen of thumb rolls being played on an old-style tambourine, though I've heard of it being done in West Clare too, in former times.
Definitely Packie Russell on the concertina, Gussie Russell on the flute. Paddy Killourey on the first fiddle and Wille beg Shannon on the second fiddle, I don't know the bodhrán player... but I the whistle player looks like John Killourey (Paddy's brother)
@ uilleann86: Well it's what the instruments would have been called by the people playing them in this clip from 1973, and what many people here (in rural Co. Clare) would still recognise them by today, but what do we know? It seems that, along the way, Irish traditional music has become subject to external commercial pressures that have felt a need to invent/popularise new names for traditional instruments, such as "Irish flute" or "bodhrán".
Don't know if many people outside of clare call the drum a tambourine. In the same way many people on the southern west coast callcurraghs canoes but not really a reasyto get ruled up about.
Thanks Peter, lovely stuff indeed! So was Willie 'Bheag' related to Micheál Shannon by any chance? And I'd love to know more about that tambourine player...
:lol: That sounds like one of those N. Clare "stories" then! Funnily enough, he's holding the letter in the 1973 photo I found, and it was from a guy called Charles Nessola, in Savannah, Georgia...
Well, I didn't invent the terms, I just use them as I learned them. It's not about what 'you' know, it's how other people have come to learn about the tradition. And no, I've never been to Ireland, perhaps it's obviously, but I live in Arizona, not Miltown Malbay Co. Clare. So I'm sorry if some of us aren't as close to the traditional as we'd like to be, but some of us do the best we can with what we have. But the history is interesting, and should be remembered. Cheers,
Packie Russell on concertina, Gussie Russell on flute, Paddy Killourhy (beside Packie) and Willie 'Bheag' Shannon on fiddles, Rory O'Connor 'King of Doolin' on tinwhistle, Stevie McNamara on tambourine (old-style bodhran).
Then you may be able to help solve a discussion between a few bodhran players.....where did he get the bodhran? I reckon it's not a bodhran at all but a tamboor from the south of france or north italy and your great grandfather just played it as a bodhran.......Is there a story behind it....?
Tambourines were traditional long before bodhrans (which they became only in the 1960s/'70s) Davog. I can tell you that the player (Stevie McNamara) made that one himself, as well as another one for his daughter-in-law Mona Conlon in Lisdoonvarna. Other known old tambourine players in Clare were Marcus Walsh from Quilty (who used to play at Gleeson's of Coor with Junior Crehan and "the stiff six"), and Bobby Casey's uncle (fiddler and dancing master) Thady Casey, from the Crosses of Annagh. These days there's only myself.
@@Legacyrxawd i saw some, bodhrán(s) similar to stevie's with jingles, in a video, about a museum of the bodhrán, youtube🥰... some very old ones, and all kinds, were there❤... BUT-- most important, i want to say, go raibh mile maith agat, to @griffind2000, for putting this up! .. so I could SEE these WONDERFUL GUYS!! now-- i just bought a bodhrán, and, it was awkward trying to play it, on the upbeat---but, NOW, I can really play it!! ...and, doing quite well for a starter--- all because of watching-and-hearing, STEVIE McNamara!!!! And, because of YOU, @griffind2000, for sharing this great video, of these musicians that we should NEVER forget !! *wish there was more, with these guys, they are GEMS💎..again, grmma!!🤗🤗🤗...
Em, that's an Irish flute, not a concert. And that's no 'tambourine' either. It's an Irish drum called a bodhrán. (pronnounced 'bow-rawn' for those who didn't know) C'mon people, it's Irish Traditional Music played in County Clare, not hippie music with classical flute! =) -Slán
@ uilleann86: I guess you've never been to Ireland, or mixed with the older generation of Irish musicians/country people then? There is no such expression as "Irish flute" in their vocabulary - they call the 8-keyed flute here by it's original 19th century name of "concert flute" (and you want to be careful to always add the qualification "concert", as "flute" by itself signifies the male appendage!) You are confusing it with is the "Boehm flute" that replaced it in orchestras.
You would confuse the hell out players in most countries if you say concert. They would think you meant a silver flute. A lot of players call a wooden flute with limited keys and Irish flute. They might be wrong. Older guys played flute that the had of obtained. Some played old English some baroque and some German. Done didn't get a great choice. They took what the had and they pkY it.
This was my local for a couple of years in the early 70s. Amazing to see it in this video. I can confirm that it is Gussie on the flute but, alas, no Micho. Actually Packie and Micho very rarely played together. The fiddle player in the glasses is Willy Beag (can't remember his surname at present). He often disappeared into the gents with his fiddle as he like the acoustic in there!
He was Willie 'Bheag' Shannon John, and the whistle player's Rory O'Connor 'King of Doolin'. I remember the old Kilshanny Leather shop in Ennistymon...
My name is Thomas Killourhy I am a 21 year old musician in america. Paddy and John Killourhy are my great, great uncles. I could not be prouder to be a killourhy after watching this video, music runs through our veins.
Nach bhfuil a fhios agam é
Good Man.
You have every right to be proud of your ancestors and their musical heritage. Is maith an rud é go bhfuil to ag casadh cheoil 🎶 anois thall í Meiriceá.
I'm here in Galway.
You have every right to be proud of your musical heritage.
We try to beat Clare here but we seldom succeed, though Galway has good music too.
Nice to meet you Thomas. I played with Paddy and John several times in Doolin in the late 80's.
I like it when the bodhran sounds like a bodhran, not a sound effects machine.
Absolutely yes. Great Clare music 🎶
Amen!
🤗🤗🤗🥰🥰🥰☘☘☘🎊🎊🎊🏆🏆🏆🎯💯
So, between us, the musicians are (left to right):
Packie Russell - concertina
Gussie Russell - concert flute
John Killoury - fiddle
Rory O´Connor - whistle
Stevie McNamara - tambourine
Willie 'Bheag' Shannon - fiddle
And I'd suggest they were probably filmed in 1973?
I love that old style bodhran [or should I say tambourine] playing while I admire the virtuosity of players like Ringo McDonagh or John Joe Kelly there's real excitement in that old goatskin bashing!😆
There are those commenting on this clip who knew the man. I believe this clip was filmed the same day as the other RUclips one of Packie Russell ("Doolin Music From 1973"), on 16th April 1973, in which Rory is also sitting behind him, and both Gussie Russell and John Killoury can be seen (fleetingly) in the background. Also, though the player is different, it's the same tambourine in both clips.
Don't be dafft, slimskinshin - I guess you must be too young to remember them, but when I was first introduced to traditional music, in the 1960s, bodhrans were still commonly called tambourines by country people, and many had jingles on them. I've talked to people who played them back in the 1920s, and there are published photos from the '40s, even LP records from around 1970, like Seamus Tansey's first one, and Music from the Coleman Country. I'll be playing mine in Gurteen over the weekend.
Thank God this was filmed, it's precious!
This returns me to my backpacking days and many a pint of the black stuff in Gussie O'Connor's bar in Doolin from 1975 onwards.
Spot the old style pennies in the rim of the bodhran used to produce a tambourine effect.
Oh nostalgia isn't what it used to be!! Thanks for the memory.
same for me
Real irish music
I never knew Rory, but I've found a photo of him in 1973 on the Clare Co. Library website and it does look like him, though I also found one of Paddy and John (Jack) Killoury (spellings of the name vary), in the same year, that confirms my identification of John as the fiddle player in the middle. But the photos confirm that both Rory and Paddy had the same taste in hats, as well as both playing whistle! I also found a photo of the tambourine player, whose name was Stevie McNamara.
Thats not a tamborine or bodhran that man is playing. Jingles on a bodhran your havin a laugh. I cant imagine where he got it but its a daff. An Iranian percussion instrument easily recognisable by the thumb hole which is easily visable and those jingles. This is amazing footage and such a strange tipper style an inverted west kerry. Maybe he got this exotic drum while working in England and made his own style. This is quite amazing and id love to know its story and does it still exist.
That's because Micho isn't there, the whistle player is Rory O´Connor, the "King of Doolin".
I would love to buy each man a case of ale.
Hi Peter, nine months ago I thought it must be John Killourhy on the whistle, but then somebody mentioned Rory O'Connor and I found a photo of him on the Clare Libraries website. I didn't meet John until around 1980.
Yer man is no moron on the bodhran. He plays it like its supposed to be played Not like eejits today who spaz out thinking they're in an 80s rock band.
The first tune is called Music in the Glen on an old Bothy Band album.
This was my local for a couple of years in the early 70s. Amazing to see it in this video. I can confirm that it is Gussie on the flute but, alas, no Micho. Actually Packie and Micho very rarely played together. The fiddle player in the glasses is Willy Beag (can't remember his surname at present). He often disappeared into the gents with his fiddle as he like the acoustic in there!
I would say this was recorded in the early 70's in Doolin,County Clare. Packie Russell on the concertina and I think Gussie and Micho are there as well.
Would love some videos from McGann's Pub from the late 70's and early 80's. Guys like Roger Burridge, Kevin Griffin....I heard Tommy Peoples would come around, and Christy Barry, Seamus Creagh....must've been incredible tunes!
Also Davy Spillane. Was often there.
@@estremp Were you there with those guys? Do you play tunes?
@@estremp Were you there? If so, do you have any recordings or pictures? A friend of mine played at McGann's all the time in the late 70's
Lovely music enjoyed it
Wonderful Thanks!
This is some of the most inspiring session music ever. Is there any more footage?
@ uilleann86 Em, no that's a tambourine - can't you here the jingles? In fact the traditional Irish frame drum was always formerly called a tambourine, and commonly had jingles. It wasn't until Sean O Riada came along (and did away with them) that it became known as the bodhrán. I should know, I've been playing Irish tambourine for the past 35 years. Sorry!
Pedantic
Sounds and played like what most people call a bodhran.
The second tune is The Traveller.Packie Russell was a great Anglo player, so smooth and danceable
He wouldnt have liked to be called an Anglo anything,methinks.......
What is an Anglo anyway.....??
@@davogrynne It's not Packie that's being called an Anglo anything - but the type of concertina he played is called an Anglo... (short for Anglo-German)
@@Legacyrxawd ah…pardon me…I missed that…👍🏾
wonderful uplifting music
That's Gussie Russell on the concert flute, but I don't see any sign of Micho. The whistle player appears to be John Killourhy (also sitting behind Packie Russell in the 1973 clip), with his brother Paddy sitting in front of him on fiddle (so two pairs of brothers are playing together). This clip is the only one I've seen of thumb rolls being played on an old-style tambourine, though I've heard of it being done in West Clare too, in former times.
How is that thumb roll done on this to create that effect?
Definitely Packie Russell on the concertina, Gussie Russell on the flute. Paddy Killourey on the first fiddle and Wille beg Shannon on the second fiddle, I don't know the bodhrán player... but I the whistle player looks like John Killourey (Paddy's brother)
Bodhran player is Stephen Mc Namara, made one for me in 74,still have it.
That`s life !
Beautiful!
@ uilleann86: Well it's what the instruments would have been called by the people playing them in this clip from 1973, and what many people here (in rural Co. Clare) would still recognise them by today, but what do we know?
It seems that, along the way, Irish traditional music has become subject to external commercial pressures that have felt a need to invent/popularise new names for traditional instruments, such as "Irish flute" or "bodhrán".
Don't know if many people outside of clare call the drum a tambourine.
In the same way many people on the southern west coast callcurraghs canoes but not really a reasyto get ruled up about.
Thanks Peter, lovely stuff indeed! So was Willie 'Bheag' related to Micheál Shannon by any chance? And I'd love to know more about that tambourine player...
What a wonderful memory, i wonder does Susan still have the bodhran?
:lol: That sounds like one of those N. Clare "stories" then! Funnily enough, he's holding the letter in the 1973 photo I found, and it was from a guy called Charles Nessola, in Savannah, Georgia...
undrar var någonstans i Clare det äår inspelat
Well, I didn't invent the terms, I just use them as I learned them. It's not about what 'you' know, it's how other people have come to learn about the tradition. And no, I've never been to Ireland, perhaps it's obviously, but I live in Arizona, not Miltown Malbay Co. Clare. So I'm sorry if some of us aren't as close to the traditional as we'd like to be, but some of us do the best we can with what we have. But the history is interesting, and should be remembered. Cheers,
Fair enough
Don't like people having a go at someone Ctj g in good faith
Thanks for the info Clare
Is that Joseph McHugh on the fiddle?
Was this recorded at the O'Connors in Doolin ?
i miss so much those sessions.
Gussie Russell on concertina and PJ Hayes on fiddle next to him. Without the fanfare!
Packie Russell on concertina, Gussie Russell on flute, Paddy Killourhy (beside Packie) and Willie 'Bheag' Shannon on fiddles, Rory O'Connor 'King of Doolin' on tinwhistle, Stevie McNamara on tambourine (old-style bodhran).
Guess so... formerly called and used to have and what not. Guess I'm just living in today and not yesteryear... Cheers buddy.
Agree
Enjoy the music and don't get dragged into words
The good ould days
I played with Gussie at his house!
Thats a tambodhreen :-)
Then you may be able to help solve a discussion between a few bodhran players.....where did he get the bodhran? I reckon it's not a bodhran at all but a tamboor from the south of france or north italy and your great grandfather just played it as a bodhran.......Is there a story behind it....?
Tambourines were traditional long before bodhrans (which they became only in the 1960s/'70s) Davog. I can tell you that the player (Stevie McNamara) made that one himself, as well as another one for his daughter-in-law Mona Conlon in Lisdoonvarna. Other known old tambourine players in Clare were Marcus Walsh from Quilty (who used to play at Gleeson's of Coor with Junior Crehan and "the stiff six"), and Bobby Casey's uncle (fiddler and dancing master) Thady Casey, from the Crosses of Annagh. These days there's only myself.
@@Legacyrxawd i saw some, bodhrán(s) similar to stevie's with jingles, in a video, about a museum of the bodhrán, youtube🥰... some very old ones, and all kinds, were there❤... BUT-- most important, i want to say, go raibh mile maith agat, to @griffind2000, for putting this up! .. so I could SEE these WONDERFUL GUYS!! now-- i just bought a bodhrán, and, it was awkward trying to play it, on the upbeat---but, NOW, I can really play it!! ...and, doing quite well for a starter--- all because of watching-and-hearing, STEVIE McNamara!!!! And, because of YOU, @griffind2000, for sharing this great video, of these musicians that we should NEVER forget !! *wish there was more, with these guys, they are GEMS💎..again, grmma!!🤗🤗🤗...
I am BACK AGAIN ❤❤❤.. ar fheabhas!!! 🏆🏆🏆🌟
Which pub is this? Doolin is my favorite place on earth and I have fond memories of sessions there on the 80's and 90s. Thanks for sharing this!
O'Connor's
Love it ! HEHE
Is that Sonny Ceanabhín on bodhrán?
Stephen Mc namara, he made them.
now thats how u do it brillant
What's the name of the tune?
Any ideas about the names of the tunes?
Music in the Glen
@BenDirks typical dubs!
The Wren boys?
I'd like to know what they're all thinking - they look so serious. Where are they when they play? I mean, in their heads?
Concentrating hard on what they, and the others, are playing - so they can play together well - that's why they look so serious...
@@Legacyrxawd❤❤❤
They are making music but not performing.
Mostly what they are doing is listening.
ok, i get it now. this is it!
Em, that's an Irish flute, not a concert. And that's no 'tambourine' either. It's an Irish drum called a bodhrán. (pronnounced 'bow-rawn' for those who didn't know) C'mon people, it's Irish Traditional Music played in County Clare, not hippie music with classical flute! =) -Slán
@ uilleann86: I guess you've never been to Ireland, or mixed with the older generation of Irish musicians/country people then? There is no such expression as "Irish flute" in their vocabulary - they call the 8-keyed flute here by it's original 19th century name of "concert flute" (and you want to be careful to always add the qualification "concert", as "flute" by itself signifies the male appendage!) You are confusing it with is the "Boehm flute" that replaced it in orchestras.
You would confuse the hell out players in most countries if you say concert. They would think you meant a silver flute.
A lot of players call a wooden flute with limited keys and Irish flute. They might be wrong.
Older guys played flute that the had of obtained.
Some played old English some baroque and some German. Done didn't get a great choice. They took what the had and they pkY it.
paddy and johnny killhoury, fiddil and whistle methinks
Paddy Killourhy on fiddle, but Rory O'Connor 'King of Doolin' on whistle Katie
Great unpretentious music ! Notice pitch of bodhran....compare with P J Moloney playing the Battering Ram.
And remember that bodhran was not tunable. You had to do a lot of farting around with heat and water to get it just right.
Um, that's a negative on the confusion. But I call it by what it's normally called today, so sorry mate, for the misunderstanding.
MIghty!
This music is the tits!
gaa . football. another west clare tradition.how about showing the
1962 COUNTY SENIOR FINAL.
Heh???
This was my local for a couple of years in the early 70s. Amazing to see it in this video. I can confirm that it is Gussie on the flute but, alas, no Micho. Actually Packie and Micho very rarely played together. The fiddle player in the glasses is Willy Beag (can't remember his surname at present). He often disappeared into the gents with his fiddle as he like the acoustic in there!
He was Willie 'Bheag' Shannon John, and the whistle player's Rory O'Connor 'King of Doolin'. I remember the old Kilshanny Leather shop in Ennistymon...
Willie beg Shannon