I think regardless of what party or country you're from, you can agree foreigners with no link to the country shouldn't be donating millions to political campaigns.
The last thing the UK needs is to be allowed to fall into the trap of unbridled political campaign funding. In the US today, individual voters and even party supporters, have minimal influence on party policy. Lobby groups, dark money, and corporate mega donors account for over 93 percent of the multi-billion dollar, seemingly endless election campaigns. No thank you.
@@kevinh4869 So you think nothing should ever be fixed because you didnt see enough of the people here suppprting what you know you support too, back then? Or do you secretly not support stopping foreign intereference?
@@kevinh4869 thats the choice kevin. Fix a mahor issue that the vast majority want fixed and will better the country... or dont fix it because it will make them look bad. I'm surprised you want them to pick their personal interest. Not the countries.
@@jakeoliver9167 When their priorities are to stop aid to Reform from Elon before auditing the NHS or stopping mass migration, I don't think they care about what's best for the country, do you?
I have to say it does smell a bit hypocritical the main parties only seem to be getting worried about this now that the Reform party is gaining support
I'ma say this once: WHO FUCKING CARES??! Soooo it's hypocritical. So? If the idea is good THEN THE IDEA IS GOOD, END OF DISCUSSION. Sooooo finally something happened to kick the big parties in the goonies and pay attention. If the proposed solution is a GOOD THING are we really gonna shoot ourself through the head because it isn't _fair_? Don't be a moron all your life.
Elon Musk can’t donate, his companies can’t donate, he can’t open new businesses in UK who can donate. This stories is just click bait. Current rules already stop this scenarios.
It’s a bit rich that farage - who wanted uk independence from foreign shackles is the one wanting foreign funding Do you think it’s going to be free? - it’s clearly going to come with expectations of policies that favour Elon and his American business and interest There are safety regulations and many others that don’t allow certain American products including cyber trucks to be sold in the uk. Tesla has to jump through many hoops of modifications for its cars to be able to sell here .. don’t expect he’s going to be giving manage millions for free
Hypocritical is Farage wanting unelected foreign powers meddling in UK politics. But will take money to allow unelected foreign powers to meddle in UK politics. It's mad that people still don't think that his bank balance is his only concern!
Should the UK Change its Campaign Finance Rules? Yes (IMO) Firstly, I think only people on the UK electoral register should be allowed to donate to political parties. Businesses (including charities) and other organisations should be banned from doing so. And secondly, there should exist a limit on how much any one person can donate a year, and the limit should as low enough to ensure that no one can hold huge swings over our politicians.
Make it low enough that even the poorest person in the UK can afford to pay it. Then watch poverty disappear overnight as parties try to get money for campaigns and have to make the poor richer.
@@idontwanttopickone that reminds me: Thirdly, ban political parties from having ownership. Fourthly, count Membership fees for political parties as part of the cap on donations. There that is some loop holes closed.
You've pretty much mirrored the electoral finance rules that govern federal political parties and elections in Canada. Union donations are also verboten in Canada. Canadians are very happy with the rules. The annual yearly limit an individual can donate to a political party is about $1,750 CAD (it's adjusted annually by Elections Canada for inflation), plus a further maximum of same amount can be donated to an individual candidate and/or constituency association.
Elon Musk can’t donate, his US companies can’t donate, he can’t open new businesses in UK that can donate. This story is just click bait. Current rules already stop this scenarios.
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Trump signed a new trade deal with Canada and Mexico and now he's gonna rip it up and introduce tariffs. So if he can't be trusted to follow his own trade deal that he signed i don't see how he can be trusted anyway. Nothing we do to limit foreign influence in UK will change that. It will merely prevent even worse harm.
It was actually in their manifesto, but I bet they were going to drop it until they saw this news. 😂 Still better a good thing for the wrong reasons. This could transform our politics for the better if it's done right.
no it isn't. Almost every decision to fix something is done soon after the issue presents itself majorly. You may say why wasnt it fixed every time before, to which i could say multiple things. 1: They've just got back power after over a decade. 2:This is a particuarly lets say unique and public case with a high profile american tech billionaire owner of social media aligned to specific politics in another country donating to a country hes not in. Notoriety motivates. 3: The "wait a bit" argument makes no sense too. Firstly as its essentially imo riduculous to expect the runners of the country to delay a needed fix because of public opinion of how it will "look fishy", and secondly... you could say it whenever they choose to change it. Donations happening all the time. Whatever... someone will say "WHY NOW!". Near an election an argument could be made its 'dubious'.... no snap election in sight, and the next standard term election is years away. p.s. it was in their manifesto and were still relatively early on in the term. Everything is done in order of priority. A major thing happening could logically boost somethings priority. Regardless of how convenient it looks. The only objective thing... is whe can't say they invented the desire to do it solely because of Elon. Because of the manifesto.
@@xander6522it's a threat to their jobs yes. But we're lucky the side that now wants to curtail foreign influence in politics is in power rather than the other way round. This is a stroke of good fortune, whatever you think of Labour, the Tories or Reform.
Easiest question ever: Yes! There should be a set budget for each party already in parliament and no more to make it an even playing field. We do the same with party political broadcasts, so why not completely level the field and remove the incentives for back door deals at the same time.
Not really. It doesn’t level the playing field by any means. It only makes it easier for those who already make up the majority like Labour or Conservatives to keep power. They already win in the ideas of word of mouth or bigger impacts such as having been in power.
@@AF2277S well, it wasn’t the topic here, but in a complete reform of the system. Peerages wouldn’t be life, and can be removed for serious failings, poor conduct or other similar circumstances; hereditary peers would be gone entirely. Proportional representation would replace first past the post and limits on individual contributions would be placed somewhere reasonably low like: £1,000 (inclusive of candidates own funds) with a total ban on businesses or charities being able to donate. All of that plus donations from non-British citizens & current residents (I.e. a British citizen living in another country personally or for tax purposes) at any amount. That levels the playing field, and allows an upstart party that gains even one seat the same budget and space on all forms of advertising including online, as all other parties in parliament. It’s not perfect, but then perfection is unobtainable.
@ because they all get the same budget, same air time for PPBs and in the meantime can do media interviews, Question Time, Podcasts, RUclips Channel’s etc. as much as they’ll have them.
I always find it funny that in the US and UK, financing by big billionaires is seemingly okay with everyone until some mid-east oil baron wants to make a move and then everyone loses their shit. Same thing with buying newspapers, no one is bothered that Murdoch who is an Australian and American can pretty much sway the UK elections where as just last year Sunak blocked a deal when UAE tried to buy an English newspaper.
Take it all out. The only donations should be memberships to a party. That's it. No big rich donors, no poor donors. A little bit more money for campaign funding from the government and nothing more. No gifts for MPs, no investment from lobby groups, get rid of the corruption from UK politics. I don't like Reform but doing this to possibly stop them seems disingenuous specially when Starmer has received so many 'gifts'
Politics has going down the pan. Governments that don't work for their citizens, instead for big business. Private cash, backhanders and shady deals. It's a disgrace, they are a disgrace. We have one life to live, and for most, it's worse than it should be due to the greed of these people.
Then stop voting for them lol. It's literally that easy. It's been that easy for over a century but every time the public are asked they keep demanding more corruption. I don't know why I haven't puzzled it out, I think there was something in the water back in the 60's that got all the boomer hippies singing about feeding the world instead of looking after their own.
I think Europe needs to start treating Oligarchs like they would any other dictator with comparable resources. Excessive wealth accumulation is a serious danger to democracy, as we can clearly see in the US.
Why is this even a debate ? British politics should only be funded by the British people. A South African born US citizen or any foreign national or entity should have no influence or say in our politics.
@@davidcooks2379 Lol IF You think this is good, You are putting Elon/US intrests over uk's intrests, If farage comes to power by using elon's money. there's a very decent chance that farage will sacrifise uk's intrests to please his master elon's/us intrests and UK would just be a absolute vassal state of US, I dont understand how uk citizens supports this,
@@davidcooks2379 "Elon is a force for good" I used to think so, too. You know, back when he stuck to pushing the drive for electric vehicles and space exploration. But supporting a corrupt, fraudulent, rapist who tried to start an insurrection in return for an influential position in the government and unspecified favours for his own companies is not "being a force for good," IMO.
@@davidcooks2379 god. Sometimes i'm not worried about american level cults and america level brainwashed people getting big in britain. Other times?.... you make it difficult not to be worried
The rules say a UK company. All Musk has to do is set up a series of numbered companies, or buy some. His lawyers can find a multitude of legal ways around the "rules". The real question is, will I be arrested for stating the obvious as we dont have free speech.
You've got freedom of speech. It's not freedom of speech if your speech prevents other people from being free to live their own lives. Free speech absolutists are absolutely doolally.
The problem is the US isnt the campaign contribution limit. It's that an individual or corporation can use as much as they want on private ads and other activities as long as they dont formally coordinate with a candidate or party.
The only thing that should be done is put a cap on political donations. Right now you can give an unlimited amount to any poltican or political party. All you have to do is cap each individuals or organisation to only being able to give a max of £10,000 per year. And BOOM you just halfed corruptions in the UK. No idea why you didn't mention this in the video. Other countries have these rules and it works a lot better. You can also combine it with partical public finacing of election based on performance. But the most important thing is cappung the amount that can be given.
No, it shouldn’t. Last election showed the imbalance of the UK FPTP system. If that’s an avenue Farage has seen to level the playing field, fair game to him and good job for finding a way to level the odds When voting system gets fairer, then yes it should change
Ah yes, "the establishment"...The next biggest donor was far smaller, directly within the country, and people had problems asking for the money to be returned when he "only" made a racist comment. Musk has done multitudes more damage to our democracy before he's even donated and he doesn't even live here.
this change affects all parties. So its irreleveant which party was the one to motivate the change. Yeah it shouldve been sooner. We all agree. But its being done hopefully now... maybe if tories werent in charge for so long it wouldve been done sooner. As labour immediately had it in their manifesto
I feel like they would. I know I would. I do. We have already had a problem with Russian money being funnelled into the Tories and into the Leave campaign (of course, the corrupt Tories carefully looked the other way), which caused tremendous damage to the UK. We cannot continue to allow foreign interference in our politics.
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. If Labour (the party in government in the U.K.) was comfortable sending staff to campaign against the US president then they shouldn’t mind a member of his cabinet fiddling with U.K. elections. You can’t just be angry at meddling when it’s done by the people you don’t want to win and you can be sure Labour would be more than happy to receive foreign billions given Starmer’s record with expenses already.
Have the labout faithful already forgotten Lord Alli?, how about the Hinduja brothers' bribes; sorry, I mean donations to Blair? Every party has done this for decades.
Musk can donate to British parties through the UK arm of X. Additionally, Labour receive the majority of their donations from foreigners most notably from Qatar and the UAE.
Just check labours website for funding sources. They're very transparent. Unlike reform UK who list 9 companies at 90,000 total and have a 1.4million pound funding blackhole.
Making stuff up like this just distracts from the real issue: whether billionaires and big corporations should be able to throw their weight around in UK politics. Let’s stick to the facts & not lie
@@jakeoliver9167 It's just the timing is a bit weird no? Only now that Reform are gaining on the two parties does everyone suddenly have an issue with it..
@@kevinh4869 "Only Now" - Yeah, in the history of the UK we've never discussed reforming/changes Political Parties and Elections funding before Reform UK came into existence.
Campaign finance rules have always been a problem, but it has always benefitted the big parties - it's only now it's Reform that they seem to want to take action. The big parties are all about consolidating their shared power.
@@jgomo3877 oh its majorly hypocritical especially with the tories receiving money from Russians but honestly I'd rather they be hypocrites and pass a law banning all foreign nationals from donating to UK political parties then allow more foreign money to buy influence in our democracy.
does this change only effect reform? if no then your point is irrelevant. A fix to an issue has to happen eventually. You're just mad labour is doing it.
Works the same with the right and proportional representation. They don't care until suddenly they do. Both are good changes that I absolutely want to see.
While I get the issue but it’s only being brought up now because they know it would actually screw them over if they didn’t. If Elon was to donate, it would allow Reform a chance at winning. Labour were more than happy to accept the millions in donations they already get from plenty of people, from millionaires to unions to other countries. I don’t see how people can see this is just Labour and to an extent the conservatives wanting to tighten the grip and force parties out
So to be clear, neither of the leading political parties had a problem when they had billionaires donations; but when Reform get a hint of a donor its suddenly a problem?
It's only a problem now because reform are doing it. Are we going to stop all lobbying/fundraising or just for the big meanie parties that I don't like?
Don't be disingenuous, this has always been an issue and was even in Labour's manifesto. And yes. ALL lobbying should be stopped, it's a catastrophic weak point.
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It doesn't really matter. You can change all the rules you want and yes, Musk would not be able to give moveny to Reform directly... but he is so rich he can use Twitter or buy media outlets in the UK for what he is peanuts and make much more influence. The root problem here is single individuals having so much money. For Musk donating 100 million to Reform it would be like if someone with 20.000 pounds would donate around 1.5 pounds.
Parties shouldn't be allowed to take millions from individuals, but to change the rules the 2 main parties benefited from only because some other party could use this to replace one of them is undemocratic. Bit corrupt
So to be clear, we have no issue with Foreign Companies and NGO's giving money to UK Political Parties but we draw the line when the money is given to a non Mainstream party?
I think your campaign finance rules can use some simplification and be less concerned with retrospective limits. They should probably be pegged to inflation. But overall, they're pretty good. They should not become more like the US. The US needs to become more like the UK.
It should be reformed only if the voting system is reformed into a proportional representation system. Otherwise this is simply an attempt by Labour and Tories to protect their joint political monopoly.
Yes but the cap for donations should be set at like £10 pounds that way the best way to finance your campaign is to appeal to the masses and isn't to make under the table deals with whatever company is asking
I agree with changing the rules, but not right now and with a probe into the major parties. The fact that their doing this now is unfair to reform as these major political parties have been working with billionaires for decades, and reform have only done this to be on equal footing. Rules should be sinplified, equal for all parties and changed at the end of the next election when theres the least partisanship
reform are looking at getting more money than all the major parties spent in the last election, combined. Despite only getting 14% of the vote. That's not putting them on equal footing. That's giving them a huge financial advantage. After all, they have as much public support as the lib dems, but if this goes through will have dozens of times more money than them. And making them entirely beholden to one individual. Rather than beholden to a range of different individuals with smaller influence, as the other major parties have. All financial leverage individuals can hold over political parties is bad and should be reduced as much as possible. That's why labour committed to crack down on it in their manifesto more than 6 months ago. But the bigger the leverage, and the fewer individuals hold that leverage, the worst the corruption gets. Elon doing this would essentially be the most corrupt way any party could possibly be funded. So not taking action now would be like ignoring damp on the walls for years, but then when the sealing collapses in just shrugging and saying "well, i didn't bother fixing it when there was a drip down the walls, why should i fix the sealing falling in?"
Why delay? That's just even more idiotic corrupt partisanship, just since the people you like get an advantage, you're OK with it, which is disgustingly hypocritical. If limiting campaign funding is a good idea, then IT IS A GOOD IDEA. It doesn't matter who proposes it or who is in command when it passes, and it doesn't matter who gained advantages in the past. Rich white slavers gained advantages from slavery in the past, so are you gonna argue that before slavery got outlawed, we should have spent 100 years with rich black slavers and white slaves? Just to balance the universe as "fair"? Don't be stupid. Yes. Limits should be introduced. Max 20k per person per year, max 250k per person per lifetime. Ban anything and anyone that is not an individual from donating at all. Donors must be eligible to place a vote. Candidates who accept shady money may be taken to court, and, if the court finds that someone involved tried to circumvent the rules, then not only should the donators be arrested and sent to prison, the candidate should be removed immediately and a by-election called. It isn't fucking hard. Money in politics is bad - period.
not right now? "Um i agree we need to make a major fix that will better the country... um... but the priority is waiting because its more important not to discredit politicians." A house is flooding. A plumber can fix it. But realises if he fixes it now it will mean people might realise he could've fixed the major flood in another house he ignored the day before. That will hurt his reputuation. So its more important he preserves that... than stop a house from flooding. On top of allowing other plumbers the possibility to continue causing floods. Is that your belief? "Its unfair to the plumbers who want to cause floods... because this plumber got the right to do it before"
@ if the fix is to ensure fairness, then we should ensure fairness. They cant just grab all the money from billionaires themselves and say ‘welp im sorry we did it but you cant because that way its fair’ . Utter hippocracy and unfairness
Yes it should. It should be a rule that if you accept foreign money, no matter if its grey. 1 year for every £1 in the tower! But seriously lets not make the UK like the US.
Of course unregistered overseas donations ought to be banned, 'overseas' being defined as *not resident in the UK for tax purposes* ... and measures need to be applied to *all* parties (and private companies) contesting *any* position filled by the vote of those on the electoral role. This is no more than a logical extension of the much vaunted tory 'no representation without taxation' which they were happy to apply to all, regardless of income. This may prove equally inconvenient for all parties, begging the question of qualified and effective oversight (a bit like our industry regulators, come to think of it). Now .... lobbying, anyone?
I am a natural Conservative voter, but I can no longer vote for them due to their incompetence (I can forgive corruption). I am definitely voting Reform now.
Yes. It's long overdue. Ban all corporate, union and foreign donations and limit the amount an individual can donate. Look at Canada for inspiration - they've implemented these reforms and it works.
nope this was in the manifesto. And this change affects labour too. I'm sure you dont believe issues cant be fixed because you didnt fix it early enough.
What exactly was OK for "Stammer"? Which overseas billionnaire has pledged to donate even 1/10th to the Labour party? It's wild that I always have to search every claim Reform or Gbeebies people make. Lying comes naturally to them like breathing and these claims are almost never true.
@@Woodzta "Labour MP failed to declare Indian donations in questions to ministers. Navendu Mishra tabled 14 written questions on U.K. relations with India but did not highlight donations, POLITICO scrutiny of parliamentary records shows" - November, 2024.
Given how worthless the NHS has become and what a joke the state of human rights protections in the U.K. are I don’t think you realise that you’re actually campaigning in favour of Reform when you say that.
That’s wishful thinking on your part. Reform are the only party that will get a codified UK Bill of Rights. Starmer will probably have me arrested for saying that in the next few years
@Bushflare The NHS is being run into the ground on purpose to get rid of it. You want a government to be able to carry out human rights violations on you like we see in backwards countries? You're not very bright are you.
@@AppleAirsoft Imagine allowing your opposition’s arguments to slip right off of you without consideration and then having the pre-programmed response of ‘smoothbrained’ and ‘the rich’ slough out of you without even noticing the irony. How would you know what your own interests even look like if you haven’t seen a government work in favour of them in your entire life?
nope its an issue too simply not talked about enough. Noone actually says thats fine... ofcourse the one that gets more publicity logically will be the most relevenat billionaire who owns a social media platform, and it way more outspoken with politics not merely a quiet donation.
I see the bot argument about this is that we should be fine with billionaire foreign interference since Labour sent a few campaign staff to help them Dems in America. This is forgetting that I actually, nor anyone I know, give a shit if we interfere with US elections. They seem to be cool with all manner of foreign interference anyway.
I though that Labour was also fine with foreign interference, as long as they were the ones performing it. Maybe next time they should at least try some plausible deniability?
Can an individual or group use their own funds to campaign (disconnected but in parallel to the politician or parties) for a certain candidate(s) or cause(s)? This kind of spending would be extremely hard to regulate if not authoritarian in nature to try and regulate.
The legacy parties might not disappear but the momentum is with Reform. The Conservative Party could hold on in the Blue Wall/M40 however no matter who the leader is they became LibDem2. 0 under John Major.
I think what should happen is instead of this campaign rubbish there should be a total sum of money (e.g. 1 billion) which is divided among parties based the percentage of the total votes they got so they can do stuff for the society and let their actions speak instead of campaigns where they make potentially empty promises
I'd say scrap all funding and give parties one chance to make one leaflet that will be sent to every door in the country. That leaflet should be the very best of what those parties have to offer, estoling the virtues of what they've accomplished and what they're set to achieve.
It's fine until it's done by people I don't like... Seems like a common mindset. This has been a problem for years, it's nice that it's getting attention now but it certainly seems that some people want rules for Thee but not for Me
The fact it’s Elon musk donating shouldn’t be an issue. Foreigners have donated to U.K. political parties forever, and if you run a business in the U.K. it is genuinely understandable for you to have an active and legitimate interest in U.K. politics. However, for years and years most of us have agreed there should be a cap on these donations. But now? U mean suddenly it’s not Labour or the tories getting the money so they’ll conveniently start listening to the people. Isn’t that typical; then they wonder why reform is doing so well with a growing number of voters who have a distain for the political establishment.
I think there should be no regulations for parties I agree with, but if I disagree with them then we should regulate them to within an inch of their lives. Fair's fair, right?
Only if you want mega donors to have a say (literally tweeting the leader of the House of Commons) on how the government money should be spent, like Mr. Tesla man.
It's all sort of pointless. Elon could easily hire him as a "consultant" and give the money as a fee to a separate company created for the purpose (to minimise tax) or even spin up a "charity" that seeks to "inform the public" with cold facts without technically endorsing a candidate.
Starmer’s already suspending elections and trying to push forwards sweeping changes to minimise the opposition from local democracy. Anybody who thinks he wouldn’t abuse his power to keep the opposition suppressed would have to be a fool.
@@owenpinder9927 Casual reminder Labour tried to interfere in the US elections. What goes around comes around and Labour are building up quite the karmic debt.
correction... everyone wants it. Most the time were unfortunately too reserved to shout or demands. We need heated publicity to get us going. The british.
@@Bushflare Can you spell gullible? Trump threw this nonsense talking point out knowing full well the little guppies will bite. These indeed were volunteers and this was not out of the ordinary, yet we don't hear you complaining when the Republicans sent their youth division to help the Tories back in 2015.
Foreign donations for the main parties and anti-Brexit groups has been going on for years with barely a mention from the media or politicians. I wonder why it's now an issue? Hmm?
You mean the funding for brexit and right wing parties (along with the usual race hate groups) that come from the American right wing and russia. Yes, that is a thing. You should try Ground News. You might learn something.
So Labour in opposition received millions in donationsn from foreign sources. And now because they are in government it's suddenly a moral outrage. Why might that be?
o Democracy means equal representation for each and all real individual persons - That requires no representation for legal persons such as companies - That requires no funding or lobbying from legal persons o So as to limit unbalanced influence of real, individual persons there should be a limit of donation - the limit should be affordable by the median - donations should be anonymous - 2017 spend was 89p per voter, so a reasonable maximium annual donation could be 100 times that - round it to £100.
Yes, absolutely. Named individuals on the electoral roll with a cap of £100 or £1000 per person per year. For each election, the candidates standing should receive a fixed campaign grant from government to level the playing field. Zero donations from companies or any foreign source.
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I think regardless of what party or country you're from, you can agree foreigners with no link to the country shouldn't be donating millions to political campaigns.
Agreed, but it’s notable that the government only cares when it’s an anti-establishment party that threatens to do it.
Keep the same energy for Labour and The Tories
@xander6522 I'm keeping the same energy for the greens, SNP, Plaid and independents.
Foreign money does not belong in British democracy.
@@xander6522 so you support this? That is a ban for those parties included?
Why not? Elon musk does a lot of business in the UK. He has a greater stake in the election outcome than most people living on the island.
The last thing the UK needs is to be allowed to fall into the trap of unbridled political campaign funding. In the US today, individual voters and even party supporters, have minimal influence on party policy. Lobby groups, dark money, and corporate mega donors account for over 93 percent of the multi-billion dollar, seemingly endless election campaigns. No thank you.
It's already like that - it's just for Tory and Labour. Only now you have a problem with it?
Not really an "either / or" situation, is it?
@@kevinh4869 So you think nothing should ever be fixed because you didnt see enough of the people here suppprting what you know you support too, back then? Or do you secretly not support stopping foreign intereference?
@@kevinh4869 thats the choice kevin. Fix a mahor issue that the vast majority want fixed and will better the country... or dont fix it because it will make them look bad. I'm surprised you want them to pick their personal interest. Not the countries.
@@jakeoliver9167 When their priorities are to stop aid to Reform from Elon before auditing the NHS or stopping mass migration, I don't think they care about what's best for the country, do you?
I have to say it does smell a bit hypocritical the main parties only seem to be getting worried about this now that the Reform party is gaining support
I'ma say this once: WHO FUCKING CARES??!
Soooo it's hypocritical. So? If the idea is good THEN THE IDEA IS GOOD, END OF DISCUSSION. Sooooo finally something happened to kick the big parties in the goonies and pay attention. If the proposed solution is a GOOD THING are we really gonna shoot ourself through the head because it isn't _fair_?
Don't be a moron all your life.
Elon Musk can’t donate, his companies can’t donate, he can’t open new businesses in UK who can donate.
This stories is just click bait. Current rules already stop this scenarios.
Hypocritical, yes, a good change also yes. Foreign money should not be in British politics.
It’s a bit rich that farage - who wanted uk independence from foreign shackles is the one wanting foreign funding
Do you think it’s going to be free? - it’s clearly going to come with expectations of policies that favour Elon and his American business and interest
There are safety regulations and many others that don’t allow certain American products including cyber trucks to be sold in the uk. Tesla has to jump through many hoops of modifications for its cars to be able to sell here .. don’t expect he’s going to be giving manage millions for free
Hypocritical is Farage wanting unelected foreign powers meddling in UK politics. But will take money to allow unelected foreign powers to meddle in UK politics.
It's mad that people still don't think that his bank balance is his only concern!
Should the UK Change its Campaign Finance Rules?
Yes (IMO)
Firstly, I think only people on the UK electoral register should be allowed to donate to political parties. Businesses (including charities) and other organisations should be banned from doing so. And secondly, there should exist a limit on how much any one person can donate a year, and the limit should as low enough to ensure that no one can hold huge swings over our politicians.
Make it low enough that even the poorest person in the UK can afford to pay it. Then watch poverty disappear overnight as parties try to get money for campaigns and have to make the poor richer.
@@idontwanttopickone that reminds me:
Thirdly, ban political parties from having ownership. Fourthly, count Membership fees for political parties as part of the cap on donations. There that is some loop holes closed.
You've pretty much mirrored the electoral finance rules that govern federal political parties and elections in Canada. Union donations are also verboten in Canada. Canadians are very happy with the rules.
The annual yearly limit an individual can donate to a political party is about $1,750 CAD (it's adjusted annually by Elections Canada for inflation), plus a further maximum of same amount can be donated to an individual candidate and/or constituency association.
Common sense
Elon Musk can’t donate, his US companies can’t donate, he can’t open new businesses in UK that can donate.
This story is just click bait. Current rules already stop this scenarios.
My main concern is how to survive all of these financial and political crisis, especially in light of the US political power scuffle
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TE LE GRAM
“Rules for thee and not for me”
Doing this just right before elon was gonna donate to reform isn't gonna bode well especially considering how close he is to trump
Mummy, what does FDJT mean?
Trump signed a new trade deal with Canada and Mexico and now he's gonna rip it up and introduce tariffs.
So if he can't be trusted to follow his own trade deal that he signed i don't see how he can be trusted anyway. Nothing we do to limit foreign influence in UK will change that. It will merely prevent even worse harm.
What do think might happen?
Well nobody was serious about sanctioning Russia before the invasion of Ukraine .
You didn't watch the whole video then
Yeah but also them suddenly wanting to change it now is dubious
Reform is a threat to the two-party system.
@@xander6522 reform is a threat.
It was actually in their manifesto, but I bet they were going to drop it until they saw this news. 😂 Still better a good thing for the wrong reasons. This could transform our politics for the better if it's done right.
no it isn't. Almost every decision to fix something is done soon after the issue presents itself majorly. You may say why wasnt it fixed every time before, to which i could say multiple things. 1: They've just got back power after over a decade. 2:This is a particuarly lets say unique and public case with a high profile american tech billionaire owner of social media aligned to specific politics in another country donating to a country hes not in. Notoriety motivates. 3: The "wait a bit" argument makes no sense too. Firstly as its essentially imo riduculous to expect the runners of the country to delay a needed fix because of public opinion of how it will "look fishy", and secondly... you could say it whenever they choose to change it. Donations happening all the time. Whatever... someone will say "WHY NOW!". Near an election an argument could be made its 'dubious'.... no snap election in sight, and the next standard term election is years away.
p.s. it was in their manifesto and were still relatively early on in the term. Everything is done in order of priority. A major thing happening could logically boost somethings priority. Regardless of how convenient it looks. The only objective thing... is whe can't say they invented the desire to do it solely because of Elon. Because of the manifesto.
@@xander6522it's a threat to their jobs yes. But we're lucky the side that now wants to curtail foreign influence in politics is in power rather than the other way round. This is a stroke of good fortune, whatever you think of Labour, the Tories or Reform.
No. Companies shouldn't affect politics it can lead to policy manipulation
i think you mean yes then. You want the fix
@jakeoliver9167 no I don't want people like musk using money as some threat and false sense of nationalism he should be fined for doing so
And, indeed, regularly does lead to policy manipulation.
Exactly like uncle ali
This doesn't seem to have been a problem before...
Easiest question ever: Yes!
There should be a set budget for each party already in parliament and no more to make it an even playing field. We do the same with party political broadcasts, so why not completely level the field and remove the incentives for back door deals at the same time.
Not really. It doesn’t level the playing field by any means. It only makes it easier for those who already make up the majority like Labour or Conservatives to keep power. They already win in the ideas of word of mouth or bigger impacts such as having been in power.
Even playing field 🤣
@@AF2277S well, it wasn’t the topic here, but in a complete reform of the system. Peerages wouldn’t be life, and can be removed for serious failings, poor conduct or other similar circumstances; hereditary peers would be gone entirely. Proportional representation would replace first past the post and limits on individual contributions would be placed somewhere reasonably low like: £1,000 (inclusive of candidates own funds) with a total ban on businesses or charities being able to donate. All of that plus donations from non-British citizens & current residents (I.e. a British citizen living in another country personally or for tax purposes) at any amount.
That levels the playing field, and allows an upstart party that gains even one seat the same budget and space on all forms of advertising including online, as all other parties in parliament. It’s not perfect, but then perfection is unobtainable.
Hows that even? The conservatives have had over 100 years to brand themselves, not fair to new parties like Reform.
@ because they all get the same budget, same air time for PPBs and in the meantime can do media interviews, Question Time, Podcasts, RUclips Channel’s etc. as much as they’ll have them.
I always find it funny that in the US and UK, financing by big billionaires is seemingly okay with everyone until some mid-east oil baron wants to make a move and then everyone loses their shit. Same thing with buying newspapers, no one is bothered that Murdoch who is an Australian and American can pretty much sway the UK elections where as just last year Sunak blocked a deal when UAE tried to buy an English newspaper.
Take it all out. The only donations should be memberships to a party. That's it. No big rich donors, no poor donors. A little bit more money for campaign funding from the government and nothing more. No gifts for MPs, no investment from lobby groups, get rid of the corruption from UK politics.
I don't like Reform but doing this to possibly stop them seems disingenuous specially when Starmer has received so many 'gifts'
Politics has going down the pan. Governments that don't work for their citizens, instead for big business. Private cash, backhanders and shady deals. It's a disgrace, they are a disgrace. We have one life to live, and for most, it's worse than it should be due to the greed of these people.
Then stop voting for them lol. It's literally that easy. It's been that easy for over a century but every time the public are asked they keep demanding more corruption. I don't know why I haven't puzzled it out, I think there was something in the water back in the 60's that got all the boomer hippies singing about feeding the world instead of looking after their own.
I think Europe needs to start treating Oligarchs like they would any other dictator with comparable resources.
Excessive wealth accumulation is a serious danger to democracy, as we can clearly see in the US.
Why is this even a debate ? British politics should only be funded by the British people.
A South African born US citizen or any foreign national or entity should have no influence or say in our politics.
They need to wear their sponsors on their suits like athletes, that way we know who they're speaking for
Fascinating that Labour, who have taken large sums of foreign money, are suddenly opposed to foreign money. How strange!
This should be taken the same as Russian interference.
US is a friend though, and Elon is a force for good
@@davidcooks2379 No Foriegn money in British politics.
@@davidcooks2379 Lol IF You think this is good, You are putting Elon/US intrests over uk's intrests, If farage comes to power by using elon's money. there's a very decent chance that farage will sacrifise uk's intrests to please his master elon's/us intrests and UK would just be a absolute vassal state of US, I dont understand how uk citizens supports this,
@@davidcooks2379 "Elon is a force for good"
I used to think so, too. You know, back when he stuck to pushing the drive for electric vehicles and space exploration. But supporting a corrupt, fraudulent, rapist who tried to start an insurrection in return for an influential position in the government and unspecified favours for his own companies is not "being a force for good," IMO.
@@davidcooks2379 god. Sometimes i'm not worried about american level cults and america level brainwashed people getting big in britain. Other times?.... you make it difficult not to be worried
The answer is yes, always yes. money in politics is cancer.
The rules say a UK company. All Musk has to do is set up a series of numbered companies, or buy some. His lawyers can find a multitude of legal ways around the "rules". The real question is, will I be arrested for stating the obvious as we dont have free speech.
we have free speech but don't insight violence :)
@@just_an_account_3 actually you can be arrested for 'offending' people whatever that might mean not just for 'insighting violence' believe it or not.
@@mdl2427seing as your so confident i presume you have an example of this happening
You've got freedom of speech. It's not freedom of speech if your speech prevents other people from being free to live their own lives. Free speech absolutists are absolutely doolally.
@@mup_petI think what Cynthia is really upset about is she can't post drunk xenophobic rants on social media without consequences anymore.
The problem is the US isnt the campaign contribution limit.
It's that an individual or corporation can use as much as they want on private ads and other activities as long as they dont formally coordinate with a candidate or party.
The only thing that should be done is put a cap on political donations. Right now you can give an unlimited amount to any poltican or political party. All you have to do is cap each individuals or organisation to only being able to give a max of £10,000 per year. And BOOM you just halfed corruptions in the UK. No idea why you didn't mention this in the video. Other countries have these rules and it works a lot better. You can also combine it with partical public finacing of election based on performance. But the most important thing is cappung the amount that can be given.
For some reason I didn’t think our open corruption was as bad as the US.
Hope the EU will finally do something after the UK falls to the far right…
If this isn’t seen as outside interference, I don’t know what is!
What percentage of the UK electorate is even actually British?
Labor uk tired to do it in the last USA elections
You mean like Labour sending their activists to campaign in the US election?
@@jamesthomas6611 oh no trying to stop fascism such a bad thing..
@@jamesthomas6611Labour is a political party, not a single unelected billionaire.
There is no need to watch this as it is a clear yes. It's so cheap to buy influence in the UK. It's infuriating.
Keep money out of your politics to the greatest extent that you can!
No, it shouldn’t. Last election showed the imbalance of the UK FPTP system. If that’s an avenue Farage has seen to level the playing field, fair game to him and good job for finding a way to level the odds
When voting system gets fairer, then yes it should change
So your fine with foreign money buying influence in British democracy? Bet you like the small boats too.
Look where labour and torie doners are from. Till ten shuttit@@Alexander-yb1zc
if the money was being given to any party other than reform, the establishment wouldn't have a problem....
I feel like they would unless it's to conservatives or labour.
Ah yes, "the establishment"...The next biggest donor was far smaller, directly within the country, and people had problems asking for the money to be returned when he "only" made a racist comment. Musk has done multitudes more damage to our democracy before he's even donated and he doesn't even live here.
this change affects all parties. So its irreleveant which party was the one to motivate the change. Yeah it shouldve been sooner. We all agree. But its being done hopefully now... maybe if tories werent in charge for so long it wouldve been done sooner. As labour immediately had it in their manifesto
@@gravel7614"lord" Ali brought labour. Soros has spent millions trying to stop Brexit rules for thee!
I feel like they would. I know I would. I do. We have already had a problem with Russian money being funnelled into the Tories and into the Leave campaign (of course, the corrupt Tories carefully looked the other way), which caused tremendous damage to the UK. We cannot continue to allow foreign interference in our politics.
Absolutely. We shouldn’t be giving foreign billionaires the keys to our democracy. The hypocrisy shown by reform supporters is unsurprising
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. If Labour (the party in government in the U.K.) was comfortable sending staff to campaign against the US president then they shouldn’t mind a member of his cabinet fiddling with U.K. elections. You can’t just be angry at meddling when it’s done by the people you don’t want to win and you can be sure Labour would be more than happy to receive foreign billions given Starmer’s record with expenses already.
Have the labout faithful already forgotten Lord Alli?, how about the Hinduja brothers' bribes; sorry, I mean donations to Blair?
Every party has done this for decades.
@@Bushflareone is so much more overt and damaging. Sending someone to show support isn't the same as bankrolling an entire party
@@Bushflare both are wrong. Youre essentially saying because they did a bad thing, noone is allowed to fix it. Weird logic.
@@gravel7614
“It was okay when they did it! Turnabout isn’t fair play!”
There’s such a thing as karmic debt, y’know?
Musk can donate to British parties through the UK arm of X.
Additionally, Labour receive the majority of their donations from foreigners most notably from Qatar and the UAE.
That's some Facebook sourced info 😂
Just check labours website for funding sources. They're very transparent.
Unlike reform UK who list 9 companies at 90,000 total and have a 1.4million pound funding blackhole.
Making stuff up like this just distracts from the real issue: whether billionaires and big corporations should be able to throw their weight around in UK politics. Let’s stick to the facts & not lie
The success of a political party shouldn’t be based off how deep someone’s pockets are
And yet that's the main reason we have a two party system..
@@kevinh4869 and that's an issue. So your point is irrelevant. We all support this. Dont you?
@@jakeoliver9167 It's just the timing is a bit weird no? Only now that Reform are gaining on the two parties does everyone suddenly have an issue with it..
@@kevinh4869 "Only Now" - Yeah, in the history of the UK we've never discussed reforming/changes Political Parties and Elections funding before Reform UK came into existence.
@@outcastp23 Right. But it is only now that Elon is about to step in and help that the ball starts rolling..
Campaign finance rules have always been a problem, but it has always benefitted the big parties - it's only now it's Reform that they seem to want to take action. The big parties are all about consolidating their shared power.
Tories and labour for decades - "No need to look at the sources of campaign finance"
Tories and labour now - "Reform is cheating!"
Hmmm....
Regardless of the reason why foreigners should not be able to donate to UK political parties, it's common sense.
@Alexander-yb1zc Oh, of course.... just a little odd everyone was fine with this until yesterday.
@@jgomo3877 oh its majorly hypocritical especially with the tories receiving money from Russians but honestly I'd rather they be hypocrites and pass a law banning all foreign nationals from donating to UK political parties then allow more foreign money to buy influence in our democracy.
does this change only effect reform? if no then your point is irrelevant. A fix to an issue has to happen eventually. You're just mad labour is doing it.
Works the same with the right and proportional representation. They don't care until suddenly they do. Both are good changes that I absolutely want to see.
Yes. Yes. A thousand million times YES 🎊 🎉
While I get the issue but it’s only being brought up now because they know it would actually screw them over if they didn’t. If Elon was to donate, it would allow Reform a chance at winning. Labour were more than happy to accept the millions in donations they already get from plenty of people, from millionaires to unions to other countries. I don’t see how people can see this is just Labour and to an extent the conservatives wanting to tighten the grip and force parties out
The tories are major recipients of russian money. Try to keep up.
If a UK party cannot run because they can't get enough financial support domestically then that says a lot about that party.
It was in the plans before Elon spoke up... but whatever suits your narrative I guess.
So to be clear, neither of the leading political parties had a problem when they had billionaires donations; but when Reform get a hint of a donor its suddenly a problem?
It's only a problem now because reform are doing it. Are we going to stop all lobbying/fundraising or just for the big meanie parties that I don't like?
nope it was always a problem that we were too quiet about. Add gates and everyone else on the list
Don't be disingenuous, this has always been an issue and was even in Labour's manifesto.
And yes. ALL lobbying should be stopped, it's a catastrophic weak point.
@@icedreamer9629 That's fine by me, I just don't want double standards.
We need Reform UK so badly right now
That $100mil will help break the broken WEF captured uni-party system we have atm.
Iran government interfering with elections: 🤬🤬🤬🤬
US government interfering with elections: 😍😍🥰🥰
The hypocricy of Farage morons, pretending to be "nationalist" while supporting every single thing that could damage the country
George Soros inferring with elections is 🤩
US government supporting a party in the UK 👿👿👿😡😤🤡
Starmer sending over 100 civil servants to the US so they could campaign for the losing party 😀😀😀🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡
It doesn't really matter. You can change all the rules you want and yes, Musk would not be able to give moveny to Reform directly... but he is so rich he can use Twitter or buy media outlets in the UK for what he is peanuts and make much more influence.
The root problem here is single individuals having so much money. For Musk donating 100 million to Reform it would be like if someone with 20.000 pounds would donate around 1.5 pounds.
Parties shouldn't be allowed to take millions from individuals, but to change the rules the 2 main parties benefited from only because some other party could use this to replace one of them is undemocratic. Bit corrupt
The figure you used for the US also doesnt include super pacs, which technically arent affiliated with the parties themselves.
So to be clear, we have no issue with Foreign Companies and NGO's giving money to UK Political Parties but we draw the line when the money is given to a non Mainstream party?
Yes reform need to win to save the uk
From what?
@ labor and the Greenwash spending
If reform could just permanently split the Tory vote that would be so awesome
The pot calling the kettle black
A) I don't think that's true, and B) black is still black.
Of course the red and blue parties wouldn’t want another party to break their monopoly
I think your campaign finance rules can use some simplification and be less concerned with retrospective limits. They should probably be pegged to inflation. But overall, they're pretty good. They should not become more like the US. The US needs to become more like the UK.
It should be reformed only if the voting system is reformed into a proportional representation system. Otherwise this is simply an attempt by Labour and Tories to protect their joint political monopoly.
Yes but the cap for donations should be set at like £10 pounds
that way the best way to finance your campaign is to appeal to the masses and isn't to make under the table deals with whatever company is asking
This is so dishonest. Suddenly when it benefits their rivals they want to change it haha
Its fine when Soros donates to Labour but a problem when Elon donates to reform.
While this is most obviously targetted at reform because of elon, i think this will be good for everyone to flush out dark money from politics
Reform will Never beat Labour Government in the Ballot Box on Voting day
I agree with changing the rules, but not right now and with a probe into the major parties. The fact that their doing this now is unfair to reform as these major political parties have been working with billionaires for decades, and reform have only done this to be on equal footing. Rules should be sinplified, equal for all parties and changed at the end of the next election when theres the least partisanship
reform are looking at getting more money than all the major parties spent in the last election, combined. Despite only getting 14% of the vote. That's not putting them on equal footing. That's giving them a huge financial advantage. After all, they have as much public support as the lib dems, but if this goes through will have dozens of times more money than them. And making them entirely beholden to one individual. Rather than beholden to a range of different individuals with smaller influence, as the other major parties have. All financial leverage individuals can hold over political parties is bad and should be reduced as much as possible. That's why labour committed to crack down on it in their manifesto more than 6 months ago. But the bigger the leverage, and the fewer individuals hold that leverage, the worst the corruption gets. Elon doing this would essentially be the most corrupt way any party could possibly be funded. So not taking action now would be like ignoring damp on the walls for years, but then when the sealing collapses in just shrugging and saying "well, i didn't bother fixing it when there was a drip down the walls, why should i fix the sealing falling in?"
Why delay? That's just even more idiotic corrupt partisanship, just since the people you like get an advantage, you're OK with it, which is disgustingly hypocritical.
If limiting campaign funding is a good idea, then IT IS A GOOD IDEA. It doesn't matter who proposes it or who is in command when it passes, and it doesn't matter who gained advantages in the past. Rich white slavers gained advantages from slavery in the past, so are you gonna argue that before slavery got outlawed, we should have spent 100 years with rich black slavers and white slaves? Just to balance the universe as "fair"?
Don't be stupid.
Yes. Limits should be introduced. Max 20k per person per year, max 250k per person per lifetime. Ban anything and anyone that is not an individual from donating at all. Donors must be eligible to place a vote. Candidates who accept shady money may be taken to court, and, if the court finds that someone involved tried to circumvent the rules, then not only should the donators be arrested and sent to prison, the candidate should be removed immediately and a by-election called.
It isn't fucking hard. Money in politics is bad - period.
not right now? "Um i agree we need to make a major fix that will better the country... um... but the priority is waiting because its more important not to discredit politicians."
A house is flooding. A plumber can fix it. But realises if he fixes it now it will mean people might realise he could've fixed the major flood in another house he ignored the day before. That will hurt his reputuation. So its more important he preserves that... than stop a house from flooding. On top of allowing other plumbers the possibility to continue causing floods. Is that your belief? "Its unfair to the plumbers who want to cause floods... because this plumber got the right to do it before"
@ if the fix is to ensure fairness, then we should ensure fairness. They cant just grab all the money from billionaires themselves and say ‘welp im sorry we did it but you cant because that way its fair’ . Utter hippocracy and unfairness
Yes it should.
It should be a rule that if you accept foreign money, no matter if its grey.
1 year for every £1 in the tower!
But seriously lets not make the UK like the US.
CHANGING THE RULES TO BENEFIT THEMSELVES! CORRUPT!
Of course unregistered overseas donations ought to be banned, 'overseas' being defined as *not resident in the UK for tax purposes* ... and measures need to be applied to *all* parties (and private companies) contesting *any* position filled by the vote of those on the electoral role.
This is no more than a logical extension of the much vaunted tory 'no representation without taxation' which they were happy to apply to all, regardless of income.
This may prove equally inconvenient for all parties, begging the question of qualified and effective oversight (a bit like our industry regulators, come to think of it).
Now .... lobbying, anyone?
I am a natural Conservative voter, but I can no longer vote for them due to their incompetence (I can forgive corruption). I am definitely voting Reform now.
Yes. It's long overdue. Ban all corporate, union and foreign donations and limit the amount an individual can donate. Look at Canada for inspiration - they've implemented these reforms and it works.
Canada was richer than Montana in 2019, and is now poorer than Alabama. Trudeau has led his country into the abyss, they will kick him out soon.
BROUGHT not "bought"!
But it was OK for stammer hypocrisy 🙄
exactly, this may as well be a leftist channel.
Elaborate, please.
nope this was in the manifesto. And this change affects labour too. I'm sure you dont believe issues cant be fixed because you didnt fix it early enough.
What exactly was OK for "Stammer"? Which overseas billionnaire has pledged to donate even 1/10th to the Labour party? It's wild that I always have to search every claim Reform or Gbeebies people make. Lying comes naturally to them like breathing and these claims are almost never true.
@@Woodzta "Labour MP failed to declare Indian donations in questions to ministers. Navendu Mishra tabled 14 written questions on U.K. relations with India but did not highlight donations, POLITICO scrutiny of parliamentary records shows" - November, 2024.
Vote Reform to say bye bye to the NHS and YOUR human rights 🇬🇧
Given how worthless the NHS has become and what a joke the state of human rights protections in the U.K. are I don’t think you realise that you’re actually campaigning in favour of Reform when you say that.
That’s wishful thinking on your part. Reform are the only party that will get a codified UK Bill of Rights. Starmer will probably have me arrested for saying that in the next few years
@Bushflare The NHS is being run into the ground on purpose to get rid of it. You want a government to be able to carry out human rights violations on you like we see in backwards countries? You're not very bright are you.
@@Bushflareonly if you are smoothbrained and vote against your own rights and freedoms for the rich.
@@AppleAirsoft
Imagine allowing your opposition’s arguments to slip right off of you without consideration and then having the pre-programmed response of ‘smoothbrained’ and ‘the rich’ slough out of you without even noticing the irony.
How would you know what your own interests even look like if you haven’t seen a government work in favour of them in your entire life?
The UK should ban Elon Musk altogether.
So it's fine for.the orher parties but as soon as a new 1 comes along it's a problem
No, Elon Musk's behavior is wrong and unprecedented regardless of party affiliation
Nope. Allow reform to benefit from the same rules as the other two did. When we change from past the post then we change everything
Should the UK change it's campaign finance rules? How about a big fat _no_
Just arrest Nigel and his corrupt cronies
Love how when it's Elon, it's a problem, but when it's the likes of Bill Gates and Blackrock and Fink? Oh that's fine... Isn't it? 🙄
nope its an issue too simply not talked about enough. Noone actually says thats fine... ofcourse the one that gets more publicity logically will be the most relevenat billionaire who owns a social media platform, and it way more outspoken with politics not merely a quiet donation.
Hit the nail on the head. Blackrock, Gates, et al will be 'exceptions' to the rules, while Musk will be targeted.
It’s always the WEF, WHO, Blackrock, the so-called deep state, and non-existent Marxists who you people love to talk about…
Cant have Farage having a chance of winning must change rules before its too late.
Given the recently postponed elections I suspect Starmer’s worried it already is.
Who wants fascist billionaires winning anyway, oh yeah knuckledragging racists
Are you suggesting that the UK's democracy should effectively be for sale to those abroad?
@@cherrygood4061 Why not?, Starmer cancels elections whenever he likes.... maybe democracy here is already dead.
@@cherrygood4061 How is it not already? My point is the timing.
Yes, we don’t want to end up like the US political system
I see the bot argument about this is that we should be fine with billionaire foreign interference since Labour sent a few campaign staff to help them Dems in America. This is forgetting that I actually, nor anyone I know, give a shit if we interfere with US elections. They seem to be cool with all manner of foreign interference anyway.
I though that Labour was also fine with foreign interference, as long as they were the ones performing it. Maybe next time they should at least try some plausible deniability?
Amazing what russian dollars can buy.
'Anyone with a different opinion to me is a bot'
@@fubar12345 I mean in this case either an AI chat bot, or rather gullible. Too much is at stake for me to accept either reason.
@@ptonpc Indeed, so far they have bought a Brexit, a significant number of Tory MPs, and an American President.
Can an individual or group use their own funds to campaign (disconnected but in parallel to the politician or parties) for a certain candidate(s) or cause(s)? This kind of spending would be extremely hard to regulate if not authoritarian in nature to try and regulate.
Ok so it wasnt a problem when bill gates, george soros or blackrock were doing it.
The answer was YES OH GOD YES 12 months ago and nothing has changed.
Campaign finance limits only matter of farage and reform had any integrity. They admitted that last time they just fluffed it.
The legacy parties might not disappear but the momentum is with Reform.
The Conservative Party could hold on in the Blue Wall/M40 however no matter who the leader is they became LibDem2. 0 under John Major.
Yes: and every single dollar should be accountable to public records who/where it came from - no exceptions.
Dollar??
Considering who funds the parties, I doubt much if anything will change (Except for some minor white washing).
"It's afraid"
No we should not a limit needs to be set it’s not about policy for sale
I think what should happen is instead of this campaign rubbish there should be a total sum of money (e.g. 1 billion) which is divided among parties based the percentage of the total votes they got so they can do stuff for the society and let their actions speak instead of campaigns where they make potentially empty promises
This makes it impossible for new parties to get off the ground.
I'd say scrap all funding and give parties one chance to make one leaflet that will be sent to every door in the country. That leaflet should be the very best of what those parties have to offer, estoling the virtues of what they've accomplished and what they're set to achieve.
It's fine until it's done by people I don't like... Seems like a common mindset. This has been a problem for years, it's nice that it's getting attention now but it certainly seems that some people want rules for Thee but not for Me
The fact it’s Elon musk donating shouldn’t be an issue. Foreigners have donated to U.K. political parties forever, and if you run a business in the U.K. it is genuinely understandable for you to have an active and legitimate interest in U.K. politics.
However, for years and years most of us have agreed there should be a cap on these donations. But now? U mean suddenly it’s not Labour or the tories getting the money so they’ll conveniently start listening to the people. Isn’t that typical; then they wonder why reform is doing so well with a growing number of voters who have a distain for the political establishment.
Sitting politicians shouldn't be allowed bank accounts
That’s extreme. 😂
I think there should be no regulations for parties I agree with, but if I disagree with them then we should regulate them to within an inch of their lives.
Fair's fair, right?
Damn if Elon Musk is getting involved then its a bad time for the UK
Only if you want mega donors to have a say (literally tweeting the leader of the House of Commons) on how the government money should be spent, like Mr. Tesla man.
It's all sort of pointless. Elon could easily hire him as a "consultant" and give the money as a fee to a separate company created for the purpose (to minimise tax) or even spin up a "charity" that seeks to "inform the public" with cold facts without technically endorsing a candidate.
If the law is well-written this sort of obvious loophole won't work. But I'm sure he will try.
there are workarounds for all sorts of laws... does that mean they shouldnt exist? the law reduces the risk. Even if elon will still manage it
no body wanted to change the rules , until now because of musk and reform uk
Starmer’s already suspending elections and trying to push forwards sweeping changes to minimise the opposition from local democracy. Anybody who thinks he wouldn’t abuse his power to keep the opposition suppressed would have to be a fool.
And rightly so. Never has the threat of foreign interference been so high
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Casual reminder Labour tried to interfere in the US elections. What goes around comes around and Labour are building up quite the karmic debt.
correction... everyone wants it. Most the time were unfortunately too reserved to shout or demands. We need heated publicity to get us going. The british.
@@Bushflare Can you spell gullible? Trump threw this nonsense talking point out knowing full well the little guppies will bite. These indeed were volunteers and this was not out of the ordinary, yet we don't hear you complaining when the Republicans sent their youth division to help the Tories back in 2015.
Foreign donations for the main parties and anti-Brexit groups has been going on for years with barely a mention from the media or politicians. I wonder why it's now an issue? Hmm?
You mean the funding for brexit and right wing parties (along with the usual race hate groups) that come from the American right wing and russia. Yes, that is a thing. You should try Ground News. You might learn something.
Maybe because we just got a new government… try thinking please.
So Labour in opposition received millions in donationsn from foreign sources. And now because they are in government it's suddenly a moral outrage. Why might that be?
o Democracy means equal representation for each and all real individual persons
- That requires no representation for legal persons such as companies
- That requires no funding or lobbying from legal persons
o So as to limit unbalanced influence of real, individual persons there should be a limit of donation
- the limit should be affordable by the median
- donations should be anonymous
- 2017 spend was 89p per voter, so a reasonable maximium annual donation could be 100 times that - round it to £100.
No... if it's good enough for the 'so-called' elected weasels we have in power now, should be left until end of parliament 🤷♂️
Yes they should
Yes, absolutely. Named individuals on the electoral roll with a cap of £100 or £1000 per person per year. For each election, the candidates standing should receive a fixed campaign grant from government to level the playing field. Zero donations from companies or any foreign source.
So where did this figure for Musks help come from,. If it's the press it is probably untrue.
What's the dollar amount per vote?