Shake Down: The Machine Gunner's Kit
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- Опубликовано: 7 окт 2024
- In episode of Shake Down, Adam Holroyd goes over kit considerations for crew served belt-fed weapons and the nuances of a machine gunner's kit.
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Thank you so much for this. Incredible wealth of knowledge. Love hearing details from gentlemen who've been there and done it.
I love your channel.
I was a 240 gunner in Iraq, can confirm the lower back pain. I have multiple bulging discs and I never carried extra belts on my iba I always threw them in my assult pack. And yes 100% YOU ALWAYS! need more ammo
Def assault pack for extra belts.
Humped the 240B before the 240L got sent out. Backs fine but hips trash
Thank you for your service sir, proud to be allied with you Americans 🇨🇦🤝🇺🇸
Weakness i lives my 240 and this equipment setup is bad
@@turdferguson2863I understand that man, hip went south on me and ended up needed a total replacement on the left side.
Adam, good content. Love the old time gunner pics too love your generations vibes. Former gunner here, couple things to chip in for the Joe's out there.
1. LUBE LUBE LUBE. Even as the gunner you can never have enough lube (especially if you're on a 249). My personal favorite is the Frog Lube, lubricant and paste. It comes in a nice mini spray bottle and doesn't have cancer causing agents like CLP. LOLLLL.
2. Your Gerber, Leatherman whatever, needs to be on your person or easily accessible. Like Adam said, if you're the gunner and you're fighting alone, you need to be able to fix that locked up bolt, jammed round, feed tray paws issues, whatever by yourself. I personally liked keeping a flat head screw driver + Gerber up front on my body to be able to fix those issues as they arise. Tie those items down to your body, they are mission essential. Plus you can always stab ol' boy with the screw driver should it come to that lol
3. YOU NEED NEED NEED to treat being an assaulter like you're an endurance athlete. Gels, carbs, electrolytes, salt chews, caffeine, all of it. It makes a HUGE difference keeping your body right when you're humping the gun up and down hills all day. Do yourself a favor and learn about how ultra marathoners fuel themselves. Find a place on your kit to keep that stuff.
4. Wrist compass. Suunto makes a 40 dollar wrist compass you need to have if you're a gunner. Honestly everyone in the platoon should have one. Being able to find your direction/azimuth by bringing your wrist to your face saves so much time and keeps everyone on the same page.
Adam if you're reading this, end user gear request. Making an "assault pack" that is stowable/collopsable kinda like the Patagonia Black-Hole series or Cotopaxi bags, so that it can get thrown in my Alice Pack but gunners/whoever, could whip it out for assaulting.
Would a Haley Flatpack Plus work? It zips down pretty thin, and expands quite a bit.
I'm a new 249 gunner and this video has given me a lot of insight
as combat vet for te 240 and 249, ALWAYS care extra lube, get use to run away MG and be confortable with 50s. youre going to be the guy on them when u deploy
@OpDab oh yeah I've shot the 50 a good number of times before I even got to the 249 and know it pretty well .
ATF is your new best friend. Always keep a small bottle within arms reach of the gun.
@@rex7020 agreed! Also, please have your TL teach your squad about enemy vehicles (Iran,China,Russia) and their capabilities, number of pax inside, and their armor weak spots
Now that I’m out, I can look back at see what I wish I known.
I was a e4 before I knew what a btr82a was.
@@crizioclipsthat's solid advice.
Nice seeing you guys look out for us regular joes. Being a commo guy I would always give radios to the gun team guys, completely agree with what you said on that.
Had a FN Minimi for years. Had a 100rd belt pouch in the gun. 2x200rd belts on the hips and 2x200rd in my assaultpack. Had som stiff back from time to time but never anything big lile the other guys that had 600rd on their vests/chest rigs. Also, training for the role is very important. Lots of leg, hip and core workouts but also flexability excercises is a must.
Was a gunner for the 240 as my battle station on a cruiser in the Navy for general quarters. Didn’t have to carry everything like y’all did, but this is still cool to see another side of it. This squid approves.
Would love to see a shakedown for medics
Really depends on the level of medical training the person has, as well as what the op is going to be, +(how long it is supposed to be, how long will it take for a medevac to get to you, how long in the worst case will you have to hold on to a critical patient, ect) I always kept a few TQs ready to roll in a medium pouch, as well as the basics on me with more advanced equipment in my med bag, though there are a lot better options out there than the old Blackhawk bag I had back in the day. Tasmanian Tiger has some sweet kit that I would deck myself out in if I was still in, another thing is making sure everyone's IFAK is good to go, with another TQ and your favorite bandage of choice as extras.
@@robertharper3754You a medic sir?
@zeromorphine
For the food, get yourself a claymore pouch from Tactical Tailor or other manufacturer. You can wrap around yourself or ruck/assault pack. Love these videos keep it up!
Dude PLEASE release that LBV kit for the 34a! That thing would complete my rig and it's such a cool product
Honestly, i’m new to the “targets of opportunity” doctrine and I didn’t even consider the AG as a TO. The crew gun and radio op. would be the go-to in my mind, but the AG is just as important like you said.
Excellent video regarding the kit. I always learn something new every Shake-Down episode you guys make
Out of ALL the military type info podcasts I've reviewed, hands down, YOURS IS THE BEST. Thanks for your service and thanks for helpful and useful tips.👌
Great video. It is nice to the A-Dub getting some love and it is sad to hear that shit never changes. I carried a MK43 in Iraq, and we had to get our own kit as machinegunners because the command didn't issue anything out for the AWs at all. We were a small team and there wasn't an AG, so it was all on the gunner to carry his ammo and kit. Your setup is basically the same thing I ran except it was all based on the LBT 1195 H harness or Blackhawk ISSAK gunner rigs.
This guy exemplifies Army of One. Thank you for your service.
I was a gunner, a lifetime ago, and a video like this would have been solid GOLD back then.... Damn good stuff!
Brings me back to being a gun team leader. Great stuff in this video. I always pushed for comms, but we only had enough for 1 AG to communicate with the WSL.
Some of the best times i had in the army where on a gun team. It is not for the faint of heart, but some of the best Soldiers ive ever had have had extended time behind the 240.
Something i did when i was a gunner was i took the issued butt pack and i made a kydex box for it, about the size of 3 7.62 boxes taped together, and that would hold about 350 rnds, and can be worn around the waist, and stowed at the top of a ruck if needed.
Another thing that i started doing that became SOP was as an AG i had my own saw pouch on my kit that i would carry a 100 round belt in, that would be the absolute last source of ammo i would feed into the gun.
To every machine gun team out there, this is my advice to you, stop trying to abandon your barrel bag, it is your friend. Practice, practice, practice your gun drills, it is a good piece of kit and it is irreplaceable.
I dig the shake down videos !
Love these, would love to see a grenadier and saw gunner shake down
I appreciate the pouches and showing placement and reason. I especially appreciate what you carry inside them. The little details I had not thought of or experience are helpful to avoid learning the hard way, and are not adding much weight. I’m glad to see the poncho rather that tarp. Achieve that goal of sun or foul weather protection and also concealment. I really like this being a waist carry harness. The chest rigs are breaking our backs and pushing our profile off the ground when in the prone. Causing us to be seen and hit, or an unstable shooting platform. Great job as always Spiritus and Adam!
Coleman’s Creek is a sick range, thanks for the video!
Personally haven’t used the 240 before. But I did use the saw when I was in a line company, and what I can tell you is that multi tool should be way more accessible as a machine gunner on operations.
Solid information. Would definitely love more instructional content like this. Thank you
Man I asked for this and almost immediately received. I am sure I wasn't the only one. Good shit.
This is awesome, and really well thought out. You guys should do a video where you take the standard riflemens kit , what most Soldiers are issued, and show what you would do to make it comfortable and efficient.
I am going into a winter exercise using the 34A in the next few weeks. Will leave feedback soon
3:41 That’s John Basilone from the Pacific on hbo. The real John Basilone is the motherfucking king of beltfed shit as far as I’m concerned
Good set up, Great weapon system
I'm like a kid at Christmas....This is what I was wanting for my 34 Alpha. Now the wait for release begins.
Come on Adam, say Fort Bragg lol
Whats up with bragg?
@@albiecho03 woke "leadership" changed the name to Fort Liberty because "muh confederate general Bragg"
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@@HayasaTribeLiterally so many Bragg military figures, everyone just says Braxton Bragg
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Thank you for sharing this info. Invaluable insight
I wonder if it's going to become doctrine soon to have most of your gear on a load bearing harness and then use some sort of sleek plate carrier with minimal gear. Because it seems to me that it's becoming sort of a meta, it does seem very useful. I also think it looks really cool.
love shake down vids man
As a 249 gunner in the Army. Fuck carrying that thing. Especially the big pig. The Marines got it figured out with the M27. With the extended 60 round mags. I wish they would do something with a piston driven Ar10 platform making that super dependable and making a 75 round mag for it. I feel like if your going to carry 30 plus pounds make the gun 10 pounds and 40 lbs of ammo. Then you can carry 7.62 and a badass speed loader in a box and speed load the 10 to 20 big mags you can also carry the smaller box mags too. What do you think.
in jungle or cities the SAW is needed. closed bolt automatic rifle, mag fed not as useful as belt fed open bolt. Marines still use the SAW btw.
God bless the machine gunners
amazing video as always
Great info 👍🏽👍🏽if I ever get my hands on a 240 I’ll definitely buy your kit and set it up identical
Ref 6:55 , NZ doctrine is for the Gun 1 to have 'first line' belt on them. The number of rounds is widely argued, but is between 500-800rds.
The new limas look good. I didnt have an A gunner in afghan so I had to carry everything and at one point they got the bright idea that I needed my M4 at the same time as well, even though I had a pistol. A miracle im not 100% disabled jumping wadis with all that shit on. Eventually I took it upon myself to just ignore the whole m4 thing. I used sapi pouches to store ammo on my plate carrier in addition to what I had in my pack, my 7.62 pouches that I ordered before I left for deployment didnt show up until the last month, go figure. GTFGU
I think the point about having the gunner have rounds on him is an absolute huge deal and couldn’t agree more
Wifle go: Bang Bang
Machinegum go: Chuga Chuga Chuga
Thanks Adam you guys are doing the thing.
a gear list with links would be pretty dope
I wish I had these ideas when I carried the 240b
Dope vid. Did you rig up three panels to the 34a or is the buttpack a new product coming out in the future that attaches to the rig? Been thinking of getting a split rig for awhile for some of these classes that aren't requiring pc's.
"Laughs in M27 IAR with a VCOG."
Will never replace 31s😊
The suspenders reminds me of the ww2, Korea and Vietnam era. I do have a question, can you have everyone carry 50 to 100 rds for you ? Or do they?
Yall should get a marksman or sniper to come do one of these.
Great vid.
Shout out to John Basilone for the character Cameo.
really injoy and learn from thanx
Great content - and nice hat!
Good stuff!!!
I knew you were an LRAK kid. Lol Seriously great minds. I’m cemented on the rifleman version of it as being the standard configuration for me now.
I bought it as a rifleman, but once I became an AG it made the most sense. I would carry the 200rds in the hips, and another 500 in the RFI assault pack but still have the ability to carry mags and a smoke. It had the those smoke loops, but I was TERRIFIED of losing one.
I like your rig. I’m saving saving up for the 34A. I was kinda hesitant before seeing this kit because I need 10 column of molle to complete my variant.
Night vision - compulsory item. Cheers cobber.!
UKM gunner here! How will this work with a plate carrier(because the panels are quite tall, I have some concerns about the purchase)? Will the panels interfere with wearing the plates? Will the harness should go above or under the carrier?
Is spiritus considering making an assistant gunner bag for tripod and spare barrel for purchase?
Fantastic shake down. I looked on the site and didn't see this setup anywhere. Is it not out yet?
The butt pack is not out yet, but the 34A Split Rig can be purchased.
@@kevinmcdowell3446 How's he have stuff attached all the way around his waist, with just a chest rig? Surely all that weight isn't on a small chest rig back strap.
@@johndunbar2393 belt kit my guy
solid info here
So at least 100 lbs for just the machine gun and ammo. Thats an insane fitness level.
No one has done this. I was a 240 gunner in Afghanistan, and the most i ever took on me was 600 rounds, and that was specifically for raids where i knew i wasnt going to be moving more than a mile, 2 tops. Generally we would only carry 2-300 on the gunner. You just arent able to move with all that weight
Combat Medic kit breakdown please
I was literally about to ask about the nods.
Casually reccomends machine gunners personally aquire a $2k LRF. Imagine an E2/E3 getting paid enough to do that
You really only need one that can reach out to an area target of 2k meters
Boys with the gun need to be battle cattle. Couldn’t agree more with the points in the video
Good Stuff
Lol that face at the rifle fire 😂😂😂
How many 308 mags can the GP pouches hold?
1000 rounds on the gunner plus the actual gun itself... dudes rocking easily over 100 pounds of equipment before even thinking about a ruck or body armor...
No one has done this. I was a 240 gunner in Afghanistan, and the most i ever took on me was 600 rounds, and that was specifically for raids where i knew i wasnt going to be moving more than a mile, 2 tops. Generally we would only carry 2-300 on the gunner. You just arent able to move with all that weight
@@RickSanchez167 Thats my thoughts. the claims on the video seem a bit wild.
@RickSanchez167 my section leader did that on a deployment in afghan in 2011. He said he used an alice pack to carry 1000 rounds, because he was on a patrol with a handful of dudes on a squad PB. He 10/10 did not recommend it cause like you could imagine, you're not mobile at all.
I didn't hear him say 1000rds at all. He's only got 400rds on him in this video. Then the starter of 50-100.
I’d say 200-300rds on the gunner. But really it depends on the mission and the gun team composition.
Example a: 3 man gun team with AG gear, my ammo bearer is carrying about 500 rds with the AG and Gunner splitting the remaining. This is because the AG gear is going to be comparable to the gun in weight, with the Ammo bearer carrying maybe spare barrel if the unit has 3 barrel 240s, thermal optic, and spare batteries.
Example b: 2 man gun team with no AG gear, AG will carry the bulk of the rounds probably into the 600ish realm if the squad leader they’re embedded with isn’t smart enough to cross load. However I would’ve asked for a couple of riflemen to carry a box of 100rd to dump on me if we made contact.
Example c: 2 man with AG gear. This is the suck, this is old school light infantry. This is the maybe it’s time to move the bigger guys onto the gun team. Basically you’re splitting the weight. In theory, everyone is supposed to be carrying your gear, that doesn’t happen. This is when loads peak above 100lbs.
Also the Ammo gods have a say in this also. If for some reason you’re kicked 3k rds instead of 1k (yes I’ve had it happen) then obviously the calculus changes and you have to come up with other solutions.
When is the LBV kit gonna drop??!!
There’s a reason I’m strong ranger not smart (not am I a ranger at all lol). I’d like to buy this system because I am currently an AG but I can’t don’t the butt back on your sight I’ve currently bought most cool things from your sight besides this. I love the idea of the split rig just need the butt pack option.
How would you carry a spare barrel for the gun?
Is this out on the market yet?
I would ditch the zipper closures. Could get caught up. Buckle closures.
I run british tactical molle belt 4 high by 16 across. With side utility pouches. Fireforce buttpack. And h harness.
I disagree with his approach. A minimilalist chest rig for radio, pistol , etc.. as spec ops you may get in vehicles. You would have to take his rig off to drive, sit in car. I would rather have radio , etc minimal chest rig that never comes off..
Yeah it's better to have most kit on belt kit. I would still go with tiny split front chest rig.
The machine gunner isn’t going to drive. Most likely he’s standing in the bed of a truck acting as an Air Guard. The even dispersement of weight helps in carrying the ridiculously overweight machine gun built for a tank not a human to carry. So having a buttpack isn’t a detriment to a machine gunner.
@@fathead8933 maybe you missed the point of my comment. I run a British tactical 4 molle high by 16 across belt with fireforce buttpack and 3 side utility pouches on either side that all have molle on them on sides and top as well. My set up is the same size as what he just showed or bigger and better.
The point was I would still run a minimal split front chest rig as well given the operating in vehicles consideration. These huge rigs have to be taken off to sit unless you are in back of truck or personally carrier, helicopter.
Maybe radio, pistol, ifak etc on chest rig,. You have a baseline comms, protection and medical on chest rig..
That's the downside of this type of rig he is showing. I am trying to mitigate that so if I take off this belt kit I still have base line on me..
My suggestion would be to run a minimalist chest rig with this belt kit. Little downside to that.
@@mysticjedi6730 oh I see your thought process. And as a rifleman, I agree it’s better. The difference being that this is a loadout for a machine gunner in a sustainment environment. If you have access to vehicles that’s great, then you take the stuff off the back and stick in a bag and leave in the vehicle or throw on when you dismount. But the machine gun is ALWAYS going to be on the outside of the vehicle in one shape or another. The only exception being helicopter and the troop seats are designed to be used with buttpacks. So again fireteam postion? Yeah take that off maybe suffer a little. MG? If you wanna carry it and can then go for it.
Also stacking tolerance is a thing as far as your shoulders are concerned. I’m not far off from your concept. I use my chest rig placard as a navigation/admin board that happens to have 4 mags. And I’m doing this to clear the space for my assault pack. But again my loadout is basically a rifleman+/DMR role. I’m carrying 3 different optics systems, x2 basic load, and the sustainment/survival gear required for a nonlinear/ lack of supplies conflict for 2 days. Anything past 2 days and you’re most likely defensive at which case things like Rubbermaid totes become a smarter solution.
Literally just about to click away from this vid when Adam mentioned the NVGs. 😂
Can the GP tall fit a 200 rnd SAW drum? It looks like it can, but figured I'd ask.
can you wear it in conjunction with a plate carrier ? is there a scenario where you would choose not to wear body armor?
What harness system are you using? I like how thin they are to where they could be worn under a plate carrier as well.
Those that have used both the 240 and the 60, which did you prefer? i know the 60 is a bit lighter and supposedly the newer versions are quite reliable
Belt kit available for purchase when?
Is the best way to wear this rig with armor to wear it over plates?
Sweet. When can we buy all the butt packs?
Yooo Coleman’s creek rocks
Was the "Pick up your brass" sign in the backround a MG gunner pun?
I would to show and talk about my kit. Iam a MGer in the Danish National guard where iam looking the new M60e6
when will the LBV be released?
I am Gunner FN Minimi MK 3 762mm how many ammo I need to combat?
Are used to carry extra set of spare parts and most importantly, I always carried at least four batteries
Damn I wish I had this knowledge before I went Sangin lol
When's that butt pack coming out I've been waiting for a minute
So I wonder how you put your ruck on when you put those pouches on your hip?
I’m look for a set up that can wear it with large/medium ruck for patrolling
You can either empty the contents of the butt pack and wear the ruck without a belt or you can remove the butt pack and just wear the split rig with the Fat Strap instead of the X harness which allows you to wear a ruck with the belt. The butt pack set up is more for an assault or short patrol than a long movement that requires a big ruck.
#GetOnGab
been waiting to test out the buttpack for a while
👍👍👍
What kind of Range Finer was that (spelling)?
"I have these cheaper range finder/thermal optics cuz I'm a civvie now" *pulls out an M240L*
Where do we even secure the LBV and buttbag shown?
Can’t find this in the website
Why not an extra barrel? How many rounds before a barrel change is needed? If you're going to carry 500... 1,000 rounds, that's enough to heat up a barrel, right? Well if you can't be sure that your assistant gunner is going to be available to provide additional ammo, you also can't be sure that he'll be there with a new barrel, right?
Link for the range finder?
Where can we buy this
goooo buurrrrrrrrrr