Hi Vin, I always appreciate your straight forward honest reviews. My HW97 is a tank and I wouldn't want to carry it around in the woods but I'll never part with it. It's so accurate .
Well put over vince straight to the point no bull that review could have saved someone buying the wrong rifle for the wrong job Well done love the bird song all part of being out with our rifles 😊😊alan
Love the chickens. Also I love your take on it should have nothing to do with a something being good for the money. but rather is it good or is it bad.
Thanks for your review Vince 👍 It's indeed a heavy and long rifle for active hunting. I do like front weight with freehand shooting but i did see immediately that the stock is not optimal for that. A big tube like that will give a lot of shots 🙂 Cheers!
Thanks Ron, yup one really must try carrying one of these for a short while to see what I'm talking about. Definitely a huge shot count, 200 plus no problems. Maybe a carbon buddy bottle would've helped significantly with the weight and handling 🤔👍👍👍
Nice shooting. The groups looked very standard to me based on the tests I have been doing for Pellet dispersion. I have shot over 20 thousand pellets through my TX200 HC testing group dispersion. Tested 31 different types of pellets, some of them were such poor quality I had to remove them from testing. My findings are that if you shoot a 20 or 30 shot groups you will find that your group size is considerably bigger than a 5 shot group. My testing data shows that groups out to 40 yards could have a dispersion radius from 6mm at best up to 28mm. All testing was done indoors so no wind would affect the results. For me the biggest let down is Pellet quality and consistency, the guns are not really the problem. I also only counted a flyer if it was absolutely obvious it was a flyer, flyers tend to be way off target. It all adds up to a combination of Gun, Pellet and the shooter, this method I believe gives a true picture of the trio capability. It would be great if you could do a similar test and show your results.
Thanks for the great comment my friend. Yup very happy to do what you requested. I'll shoot 2 30 round groups at 30m and 40m both in .177 and .22 calibres and measure the groups. Obviously I'll film the whole thing. I'm genuinely interested to see how this will pan out. Also I agree 100% about the pellets being the issue in regards to consistency, I've just about stopped using JSBs at the moment because I'm finding far too many pellets damaged/deformed for my liking 👍👍👍
With that much shooting experience I would really like to know what your scope preference is on your springer. I'm looking for a scope that will last a while, if there is such a scope for a springer.
@@vincentenglish8489 thanks for the reply Vincent. I requested the test just to see results of another shooter and not just my own shooting. It’s not a test to trick anybody, or judge anyone’s shooting. Thank you for accepting the trial, it’s of great interest to me and will certainly help my group dispersion study.
@@superzuki5831 scope on my TX200 is a MTC copperhead 4-16 x 44 F2. Absolutely love it and is a great combination with the TX because it does not interfere with pellet loading.
Hi Vincent, sorry I forgot to say all my testing was .177. I have just purchased an Air Arms pro sport in 22 and just started purchasing pellets for testing. Thanks again for such a refreshing RUclips channel you have. If you ever sell that Webley, please give me a shout 👍.
Hi Vin , great video, appreciate all you do to help others in there passion for air rifle shooting.I would like to here your Opinion on cleaning the barrel before shooting or not, it seems to be a topic of contention, I personally have no clue with my HW77K all i do know is when i was in the forces in the 70s and 80s is cleaning them every time i used my SLR but i know that being a powder burner it needed cleaning. Just like to here your veiw Vin 👍🏻👍🏻
Good topic this and one that I may be different from most. On a new rifle I'll clean the barrel just because it's usually has shipping oils etc etc inside. Once done I'll leave it well alone. Now as regards to powder burners on my Battalion Shooting Team we never touched the barrel, gas parts, we just made sure the internals were well oiled before each shoot. Now I've shot thousands of rounds through my old SA80 without a single stoppage or loss of accuracy, just goes to show you can't believe everything the gun press or RUclips says 😉. Felt really strange at first not cleaning the barrel before or after shooting because as all squaddies know a rifle is supposed to be spotlessly clean. 👍👍👍👍
@@vincentenglish8489 cheers vin, leave it be unless warented, yep being a ex squady cleaning piston gas block barrel etc etc blooming mad on the cleaning , probably why I'm a bit OCD now. I tend to agree with you vin if it ain't broke don't fix it 👍🏻
Hi Vin Nice review I was at my local club a few weeks back and they had a 22 cal for sale minter came with zonos 6-24-44 scope, mounts, nice big tactical bag, sling, 4 tins of HN pellets a bargain at £250 I took the plunge anyway I agree what a beast I swapped the scope for a Hawke sidewinder and pard 007sp sold the konos so cost of gun £200 now I would not carry this around as I’d end up with damaged shoulders lol however I’ve been using it off the tripod on my ratting permission and I find it’s very very good for static hunting the HN 15.89 grain knock em over stone dead and the weight is similar to my RM8 but more shots cos it only cost so little I’m not bothered about a few dings as I would be with my BRK Ghost or Air arms tx200 there’s no way I could do standing shots with this thing either but I genuinely love it the stock has nice grain and the chequering with the ata logo is a nice touch also the filler cap is another good feature that I wish more expensive vendors would provide all in all I’m very happy with this gun. Nice review btw Andy
@@vincentenglish8489 the rm8 are a good value gun or they were however the shot count stated of 120 per fill is way off the mark I get 7 mags 56 shots from a 200bar fill lads at the club get similar also the RM8s come averaging around 10.4 ftlbs and I had to open the transfer port to get 11.5 so not something you should have to do on a new rifle
Excellent review as always Vin and it sure looks heavy. That buddy bottle isn't far off the size of a dive bottle 😂. Must be a large shot count for sure.
Cheers Peter, yup definitely a huge shot count for sure, I put 10 magazines through it (140 shots) and still didn't really need to top it up although I did anyway 👍👍👍
My Turkish (Reximex Ixia) I replaced the magazine with a 3d printed one from JCE ( Johnny chu Engineering) much softer sprung so doesn’t damage pellets like the original. Agree with what you’re saying 💯 Vin as in a rifle should be fit for purpose no matter the price
Too many times we hear "it's good for its price" ... to me that's cart blanche to be sold junk. To me a rifle of any kind is an instrument designed to fire a projectile to hit its intended target, if it can't do that whatever it's price then it's a useless wall hanger. It's about time manufacturers stop fobbing us off with inferior products and make fit for purpose guns that are affordable 👍👍👍
@@vincentenglish8489 💯 tbh I have bought cheaper rifles that have not had the best reviews to see if I can improve them as I enjoy tinkering and am lucky enough to have a lathe an mill.
so not to bad for the bench . have to say i probably would not carry my daystste round the woods . only because i would not want to scratch it 🤣🤣🤣 mind you the stock on my tx does make it a tad heavy . s510 tactical however i feel you could definitely carry that around ok 👍
Cheers Paul, it's not so much the weight, it's more the ergonomics and handling, let's face it a HW77 or 97 aren't featherweights but because they're balanced better and are more comfortable to carry I'd prefer to use one of those 👍👍👍
Honest advice from your opinion, having owned this rifle for the past two months I found it a bit diffrent to what you are saying. Yes its long Yes its not the lightest out there, but wow! mine is very accurate. Five shots in a five pence piece at forty meters no problem. What I have found is the barrel needs cleaning out of the box, tends to be a fair amount of protective grease. Also pellet choice is a big thing played around with diffrent sizes and weights and 4.52mm (.177) 10.34 grain JSB Exact to be perfect. So I think you "Pays your money and takes your choice" as the saying goes........
Yup agree it's a very accurate rifle indeed, no issues with accuracy whatsoever. I just don't think its a very comfortable rifle to carry around woods and fields. As a bench rifle it's very good and I have no doubt it would be a good hide rifle if it's length isn't an issue. Also the magazines aren't the most robust, but that's not unique to ATA. Thanks kindly for the comment 👍👍👍
A tad few more buddy, nah you've a long way to go before you need to attend therapy my friend 😉 besides is there really such a thing as too many guns? 👍👍👍
Vin, this is David “thefisherboys”. I made a new account because I didn’t want to use my kids channel anymore. Great review as always. I have a dumb question, why do some sub 12 PCPs has a greater shot count in 22 and less with 177? David
Simple answer to that is due to weight difference, surface area and velocity. A .177 has a smaller surface area and less weight and needs to be travelling around 30% faster than a .22 to achieve 12ftlbs.
Exactly that buddy, it's a pig to carry around. It's not even so much the weight it's the stock design at the foreend, it makes you bend your wrist unnaturally and the sides though rounded are akin to holding a heavy piece of 2x3 cls timber...👍👍👍
@@insidethedistanceboxing yup my views on it haven't changed one bit. You've shot the ATA and you shoot a 97, I wager that you'd prefer your 97 over the ATA even though they're a comparable weight?
Hi Vin. I misconstrued you on your last post re. the SR. Can you delete my post with my name on etc. The guy showed me the gun and it was like new. £395-00 i think. Good price but not for me. I managed to sell him the prosport i think. Could not get on with it. Had Weirauch for too many years i suppose. Funny how you can get in a groove with what you get used to and anything else needs carefully looking at first. (Showing my age).
Hi Vin, I always appreciate your straight forward honest reviews. My HW97 is a tank and I wouldn't want to carry it around in the woods but I'll never part with it. It's so accurate .
Hi buddy, yeah I get what you mean. This isn't so much the weight issue more the awkwardness of carrying it 👍👍👍
Great review Vin, every thing I need to know without any bull. Thanks 👍🏻
Thanks buddy, I endeavour to say it as it is 👍👍👍
Well put over vince straight to the point no bull that review could have saved someone buying the wrong rifle for the wrong job Well done love the bird song all part of being out with our rifles 😊😊alan
Cheers Vin this is the type of review I take notice of you've got to live with and use something to know what it's about 👍
Love the chickens. Also I love your take on it should have nothing to do with a something being good for the money. but rather is it good or is it bad.
Thanks for your review Vince 👍 It's indeed a heavy and long rifle for active hunting. I do like front weight with freehand shooting but i did see immediately that the stock is not optimal for that. A big tube like that will give a lot of shots 🙂 Cheers!
Thanks Ron, yup one really must try carrying one of these for a short while to see what I'm talking about. Definitely a huge shot count, 200 plus no problems. Maybe a carbon buddy bottle would've helped significantly with the weight and handling 🤔👍👍👍
Nice shooting. The groups looked very standard to me based on the tests I have been doing for Pellet dispersion. I have shot over 20 thousand pellets through my TX200 HC testing group dispersion. Tested 31 different types of pellets, some of them were such poor quality I had to remove them from testing.
My findings are that if you shoot a 20 or 30 shot groups you will find that your group size is considerably bigger than a 5 shot group. My testing data shows that groups out to 40 yards could have a dispersion radius from 6mm at best up to 28mm. All testing was done indoors so no wind would affect the results.
For me the biggest let down is Pellet quality and consistency, the guns are not really the problem.
I also only counted a flyer if it was absolutely obvious it was a flyer, flyers tend to be way off target.
It all adds up to a combination of Gun, Pellet and the shooter, this method I believe gives a true picture of the trio capability.
It would be great if you could do a similar test and show your results.
Thanks for the great comment my friend. Yup very happy to do what you requested. I'll shoot 2 30 round groups at 30m and 40m both in .177 and .22 calibres and measure the groups. Obviously I'll film the whole thing. I'm genuinely interested to see how this will pan out. Also I agree 100% about the pellets being the issue in regards to consistency, I've just about stopped using JSBs at the moment because I'm finding far too many pellets damaged/deformed for my liking 👍👍👍
With that much shooting experience I would really like to know what your scope preference is on your springer. I'm looking for a scope that will last a while, if there is such a scope for a springer.
@@vincentenglish8489 thanks for the reply Vincent. I requested the test just to see results of another shooter and not just my own shooting. It’s not a test to trick anybody,
or judge anyone’s shooting. Thank you for accepting the trial, it’s of great interest to me and will certainly help my group dispersion study.
@@superzuki5831 scope on my TX200 is a MTC copperhead 4-16 x 44 F2. Absolutely love it and is a great combination with the TX because it does not interfere with pellet loading.
Hi Vincent, sorry I forgot to say all my testing was .177. I have just purchased an Air Arms pro sport in 22 and just started purchasing pellets for testing. Thanks again for such a refreshing RUclips channel you have.
If you ever sell that Webley, please give me a shout 👍.
Hi Vin , great video, appreciate all you do to help others in there passion for air rifle shooting.I would like to here your Opinion on cleaning the barrel before shooting or not, it seems to be a topic of contention, I personally have no clue with my HW77K all i do know is when i was in the forces in the 70s and 80s is cleaning them every time i used my SLR but i know that being a powder burner it needed cleaning. Just like to here your veiw Vin 👍🏻👍🏻
Good topic this and one that I may be different from most. On a new rifle I'll clean the barrel just because it's usually has shipping oils etc etc inside. Once done I'll leave it well alone. Now as regards to powder burners on my Battalion Shooting Team we never touched the barrel, gas parts, we just made sure the internals were well oiled before each shoot. Now I've shot thousands of rounds through my old SA80 without a single stoppage or loss of accuracy, just goes to show you can't believe everything the gun press or RUclips says 😉. Felt really strange at first not cleaning the barrel before or after shooting because as all squaddies know a rifle is supposed to be spotlessly clean. 👍👍👍👍
@@vincentenglish8489 cheers vin, leave it be unless warented, yep being a ex squady cleaning piston gas block barrel etc etc blooming mad on the cleaning , probably why I'm a bit OCD now. I tend to agree with you vin if it ain't broke don't fix it 👍🏻
Hi Vin
Nice review I was at my local club a few weeks back and they had a 22 cal for sale minter came with zonos 6-24-44 scope, mounts, nice big tactical bag, sling, 4 tins of HN pellets a bargain at £250 I took the plunge anyway I agree what a beast I swapped the scope for a Hawke sidewinder and pard 007sp sold the konos so cost of gun £200 now I would not carry this around as I’d end up with damaged shoulders lol however I’ve been using it off the tripod on my ratting permission and I find it’s very very good for static hunting the HN 15.89 grain knock em over stone dead and the weight is similar to my RM8 but more shots cos it only cost so little I’m not bothered about a few dings as I would be with my BRK Ghost or Air arms tx200 there’s no way I could do standing shots with this thing either but I genuinely love it the stock has nice grain and the chequering with the ata logo is a nice touch also the filler cap is another good feature that I wish more expensive vendors would provide all in all I’m very happy with this gun.
Nice review btw
Andy
Thanks for the comment my friend. Funny enough I really like RM8s, don't like the fact they've jumped up in price though. 👍👍👍
@@vincentenglish8489 the rm8 are a good value gun or they were however the shot count stated of 120 per fill is way off the mark I get 7 mags 56 shots from a 200bar fill lads at the club get similar also the RM8s come averaging around 10.4 ftlbs and I had to open the transfer port to get 11.5 so not something you should have to do on a new rifle
Excellent review as always Vin and it sure looks heavy. That buddy bottle isn't far off the size of a dive bottle 😂. Must be a large shot count for sure.
Cheers Peter, yup definitely a huge shot count for sure, I put 10 magazines through it (140 shots) and still didn't really need to top it up although I did anyway 👍👍👍
My Turkish (Reximex Ixia) I replaced the magazine with a 3d printed one from JCE ( Johnny chu Engineering) much softer sprung so doesn’t damage pellets like the original. Agree with what you’re saying 💯 Vin as in a rifle should be fit for purpose no matter the price
Too many times we hear "it's good for its price" ... to me that's cart blanche to be sold junk. To me a rifle of any kind is an instrument designed to fire a projectile to hit its intended target, if it can't do that whatever it's price then it's a useless wall hanger. It's about time manufacturers stop fobbing us off with inferior products and make fit for purpose guns that are affordable 👍👍👍
@@vincentenglish8489 💯 tbh I have bought cheaper rifles that have not had the best reviews to see if I can improve them as I enjoy tinkering and am lucky enough to have a lathe an mill.
so not to bad for the bench . have to say i probably would not carry my daystste round the woods . only because i would not want to scratch it 🤣🤣🤣 mind you the stock on my tx does make it a tad heavy . s510 tactical however i feel you could definitely carry that around ok 👍
Cheers Paul, it's not so much the weight, it's more the ergonomics and handling, let's face it a HW77 or 97 aren't featherweights but because they're balanced better and are more comfortable to carry I'd prefer to use one of those 👍👍👍
Aaah, I have plans to make one very Hunter-friendly. 😂
That is a massive bottle! That being said I was contemplating a 700cc bottle on the Brocock 😂
Keith 700cc is a complete eco system with it's own atmosphere 🤣🤣🤣...you'll get RSI before you manage to empty that 😉👍👍👍
@@vincentenglish8489 id wager a full tin of pellets and then some!
Honest advice from your opinion, having owned this rifle for the past two months I found it a bit diffrent to what you are saying. Yes its long Yes its not the lightest out there, but wow! mine is very accurate.
Five shots in a five pence piece at forty meters no problem. What I have found is the barrel needs cleaning out of the box, tends to be a fair amount of protective grease. Also pellet choice is a big thing played around with diffrent sizes and weights and 4.52mm (.177) 10.34 grain JSB Exact to be perfect.
So I think you "Pays your money and takes your choice" as the saying goes........
Yup agree it's a very accurate rifle indeed, no issues with accuracy whatsoever. I just don't think its a very comfortable rifle to carry around woods and fields. As a bench rifle it's very good and I have no doubt it would be a good hide rifle if it's length isn't an issue. Also the magazines aren't the most robust, but that's not unique to ATA. Thanks kindly for the comment 👍👍👍
Upsetting the internet again😂😂 i love my ATA, deffo a bench rifle, but then again my 77 is an absolute tonne weight too😅
Yeah the 77 and 97 are weighty rifles indeed but in my humble opinion more comfortable to carry 👍👍👍
3x2..lump..i like that....
That's what it feels like carrying it around 😉👍👍
How many air rifles do you posses Vin? I only ask this because I own five, and I think I’m an addict.
A tad few more buddy, nah you've a long way to go before you need to attend therapy my friend 😉 besides is there really such a thing as too many guns? 👍👍👍
@@vincentenglish8489 correct. P.S Just bought an SFS IMP, which will probably see me to the Crem and definitely outlive my PCPs.☠️
What!!?? if you are an addict as an owner of 5...what is my verdict then as an owner of 50 springpiston rifles!?
Mental case...?😂😂😂
@@tomsvennblad8374 Tom 🤣🤣🤣🤣 nah mate just a normal bloke with good taste 👍👍👍👍
@@tomsvennblad8374 glad I’m not alone. 😉
Vin, this is David “thefisherboys”. I made a new account because I didn’t want to use my kids channel anymore.
Great review as always. I have a dumb question, why do some sub 12 PCPs has a greater shot count in 22 and less with 177?
David
Simple answer to that is due to weight difference, surface area and velocity. A .177 has a smaller surface area and less weight and needs to be travelling around 30% faster than a .22 to achieve 12ftlbs.
@@vincentenglish8489 Ok, Thanks a million, that makes sense. It’s been a question in the back of my mind for years.
At over 4kg it could be the bench :)
Exactly that buddy, it's a pig to carry around. It's not even so much the weight it's the stock design at the foreend, it makes you bend your wrist unnaturally and the sides though rounded are akin to holding a heavy piece of 2x3 cls timber...👍👍👍
Sent you a email Vince, hope you got it I'm not the best with Teck...Is ATA the ones who took over Theoben?
Hi buddy, I'm not sure ref the Theoben question, I'm sure there's someone who could help out there 👍👍👍
@@vincentenglish8489 My bad i was thinking of RAW, they just look like the one you have there..
Hiya vin , hope your good mate 👍 Is that the gun you bought over for me to shoot ?
Yup that's the kiddie mate. Hope you're keeping well buddy 👍👍👍
@@vincentenglish8489 I remember us talking about the ergonomics back then , yes all good here mate , still loving your content 👌
@@insidethedistanceboxing yup my views on it haven't changed one bit. You've shot the ATA and you shoot a 97, I wager that you'd prefer your 97 over the ATA even though they're a comparable weight?
@@vincentenglish8489 all-day , everyday sir
I was thinking the same. My 97 would do it better, sorry
Love my 97 , a piece of brilliance
@insidethedistanceboxing yes me too. I just got a tx200 but I'm still got to my 97 first.
Hi Vin. I misconstrued you on your last post re. the SR. Can you delete my post with my name on etc. The guy showed me the gun and it was like new. £395-00 i think. Good price but not for me. I managed to sell him the prosport i think. Could not get on with it. Had Weirauch for too many years i suppose. Funny how you can get in a groove with what you get used to and anything else needs carefully looking at first. (Showing my age).
Yup no worries my friend, consider it done 👍👍👍