The Photographer That Pissed Off The Entire Internet
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I think the only mistake the photographer made was mocking people for enquiring about wedding photography with a $2K budget. $2K is still a significant amount to most people. It makes her sound elitist, snobby and out of touch.
Right!! She acting like they offered her $200 not $2000! Poor taste and unprofessional
I think the backlash is also due to her snubbing someone with a $2k budget for wedding photos. That was unprofessional in my opinion and not at all fair to the couple reaching out to inquire about booking her. If I had an $8k budget I would not book her based on her behavior in that video towards someone with a smaller budget.
This part. It's rude. And then posting it on TikTok shows her character, and that's not who I want to book with
I get that, BUT her website clearly states that wedding photography starts at 8500. Like imagine if you sell a service online for a clear price and people contact you asking for that service for a quarter of the starter price, would that not annoy you?
@@mayas883 absolutely, but she can pin her prices in a TikTok. Or on her insta. I'm not saying it's not annoying, but I'm saying the tone of the tiktok isn't good. It's giving "oh my god poor, you can't afford me."
She can charge whatever she wants if people pay for it. That’s not what bothered me. It was her tik tok. She came off really smug and entitled.
She can charge whatever she wants the reason why she has the smug attitude is because many clients are ignorant, and don’t know what they’re paying for therefore inflating her ego. I see it all the time and I call it out when they’re trash.
Or she did it to go viral on TikTok. The amount of people who gained success from negative back lash is pretty high. Bad press is still press. Especially in the digital age. Views are views. The fact that on the internet people will get pissed off watch a video just to comment negatively in the comments, but the video is monetized and just by them watching they are giving that person money. Between this stunt and charging $8k despite if it may or may not be worth it. You can definitely say she’s a marketing genius.
She didn’t have to make a video being kinda snotty about her prices and people wouldn’t be making these comments lol. The talent isn’t there. I understand wanting to defend other photographers but…eh.
Agreed, it's not about the price or skill so much as the attitude.
The issue is her attitude. Her "how dare you have a budget of 2.5 k?" attitude. We know people, in LA in particualr, will pay hilarious amounts of money for crap. So, if she can get away with it, good for you. But, she's not worth it. So...don't hire her.
Okay I get that one has to price itself accordingly and all that stuff, but that girl's portfolio sucks lets be honest
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I wonder would the TikTok be taken so negatively if it didn’t sound like she was looking down on the people inquiring.
YES I just came to comment this. It's one thing to make a video stating your prices but did she have to bash clients with a lower budget? That attitude alone would make me not want to book her.
Exactly. I left a similar comment. There's a BIG difference between 2k and 8.5k, so my guess is that her prices weren't clearly stated (or at all) when the couple inquired, which makes her TikTok come across as elitist and snobby.... Especially since that couple likely realizes she's referring to them if they see it
Come on, that blurry jewelry photo is terrible. Even if you like blurry photos, the composition is actually terrible.
taken with an android phone
If the photographer would have posted a wholesome video like the painter she would have probably gotten those nice comments as well, instead she posted a snarky video and got snarky replies back… Kind of makes since
This is exactly it! Her prices are fine. It's her business, her talent, her time, her work. It's the air of aristocracy in her video that people are really taking issue with. If people can't afford your prices, that's fine, but why make a video that gives the appearance that you're looking down on them for that reason?
Exactly. Doesn’t matter how good of a photographer she is. I wouldn’t want someone with the attitude to take my pictures anyways. To laugh at 2k
I get your point, and I’m not telling her she has to lower her prices, just as she’s not telling me I have to buy her product. I’m just saying my opinion on the price and product, she can charge what she feels is fair and I can say I don’t feel like it’s worth it
it just seems like she’s shaming people that can’t afford that, and given that there are photographers that do a great job and starts from way less i can see why some people are shocked
I think you dropped the ball by saying that the painter only works for a few hours during the wedding, they also have prepare, do sketches, practice everyday, etc
The talent is not there.
Right?! We've all seen 8k photography: this ain't it.
I don't know much about photography, but the few photos we saw look worse than my parents wedding photo's form the 80s. Maybe its just the style, but even if I had money to burn, I personally wouldn't pay that much for that product
(I actually liked the blur; it was the framing and angles that just felt... unimpressive)
She can charge whatever she's able to, and people have clearly paid it, but her TikTok comes across like she's looking down on people who cant afford her prices. We obviously don't know exactly what happened, but it sounds like the couple who "inquired with a 2k budget" weren't aware of her prices if she had to tell them it "starts at 8.5k," and she comes across as snobby. I get that people try to bargain sometimes, but thats a HUGE jump in price, so my guess is that she didn't have her prices stated clearly (or at all) when they inquired, and there was some sort of misunderstanding.
People shouldn't be putting down her work like that, but I dont think she should have made the TikTok in the first place, because it just seems like she's putting down the couple who couldn't afford her. They clearly liked her work enough to want to hire her, so it just makes her seem elitist and rude, especially since that couple probably _knows_ she's referring to them 🤷
For me personally it was her tiktok that bothered me, not her prices. I don't care how much someone charges because when/if I'll want photos for my wedding, I will start looking within my price range (and I respect the work that goes into it). It was her attitude which felt condescending and in my opinion, that is why she got such a backlash. Because then people went and looked into her portfolio to check if she is 'worth it'. Feels as if she did this to get some attention, but she could have worded it differently. I personally would not book her due to her attitude, even if I had such a high budget. Just a personal opinion though.
Not sure why you’re defending her.. the pictures I saw of her work definitely don’t deserve an $8500 fee. If people are willing to hire her, great- but I think people are justified in criticizing her work and prices
You are missing the point. I’ve been a pro photographer for 14 yrs. A lot of money and time go into my work. My gear and computer is expensive. Gas is expensive and 1/3 of everything you make goes to paying taxes.
This video was really frustrating to watch because all you did was defend her, and I get that, but you didn't mention the fact that the WHOLE issue was her attitude. She was basically shitting on photographers and clients with a lower budget. My wedding photographer was $4000-$5000 and INCREDIBLE. It wasn't what she is charging or her work. It's that she came across very judgemental and who wants that attitude at their wedding.
I did feel that too, there was no real mention of the actual Tik Tok starting this.
I made a similar comment, she’s unfortunately very biased being a photographer herself. Her points are valid but this didn’t sit right as a response to the tiktok
Most comments I read on tik tok and every duet I watched on this was complaining purely about her expensive pricing and that her work was awful (which is why most of my video is about this). I didn't read any comments about her attitude (maybe I missed them), but I can DEFINITELY see how her tik tok could be offputting. I agree with you that attitude is a big factor. No one should be shamed for having a budget. I've worked with budgets and payment plans for my clients if they need more time or only want to pay a certain amount (and we adjust what services they receive) - as long as that works for both parties. So yes, attitude is important!
@@JessicaKobeissiif you read between the lines, those saying she isn’t worth it, the subtext is that she doesn’t have the skill to back up that attitude.
I think the problem is not the photos, if people like them and want to pay for them, it's all good. I just didn't care for the atitude of the photographer making fun of possible clients that come to her with a 2.000 budget.
I can’t imagine admiring someone’s work, messaging them to inquire about their prices, and then seeing that person making a TikTok ridiculing me because they’re out of my price range.
EXTREMELY unprofessional behavior.
If you like her aesthetic, that’s fine, but please give your money to an artist/business that displays compassion, kindness and respect for others.
Just because they can’t afford you, doesn’t mean they deserve to be mocked.
her attitude is 100% the problem. people see her as bragging
Maybe unpopular opinion, but I agree with them. I personally hate the blurry photo but set that aside. Putting the wedding dress on a brown wall and taking a picture from so far away? A super closeup photo of shoes that doesn't even show off the entire shoe? The difference between the wedding painter and the photographer - did you pause the video to see the paintings she was putting out? They looked absolutely stunning. I just don't think the photographer has the talent to backup the price.
I feel as though it was her attitude that came across as mocking, rude, and entitled that caused the backlash. It made people immediately commit Ad Hominem. (Attacking her personally).
Charge whatever you want! But god damn, either list it on your website or keep the attitude in check when someone inquires. Wedding vendors are honestly fking insufferable
Also, for the record, she is charging 3x the price of what photographers in my HCOL area charge 🙃
Not all HCOL are the same. Just moved to the LA area and the gas alone is almost 2 dollars per gallon more. For someone who travels to their work, possibly many miles it can influence pricing but I think we can all agree that it isn’t so much the pricing as the attitude.
I agree with other commenters here: I don't think her work itself is the issue as long as the clients are happy, or her pricing since people are booking her.
Her attitude, however, is a big yikes. Mocking people for having a lower budget and enquiring about if it could work with that doesn't deserve this kind of "lol no". They didn't ask her to do it for free (in which case I'd get it), 2k is a lot of money to most people, so it's not an insultingly small budget. Hell, I have friends that had an entire wedding for that price (granted, not with a professional photographer in it, but as perspective, this is literally the price people will pay for the entire day). That's what makes me feel iffy. The condecension. It's perfectly reasonable for her to tell them it's not going to work out with her, but blasting that online, even in this anonymous state, feels tasteless to me.
Sophomore’s VSCO was a bit harsh but as a standalone comment, it’s hilarious! 😆
We paid $2k for our wedding photographer in 2010. At that time I thought it was a lot but the pictures are all you have left of that special day. She. Was. Awesome. Our pictures are amazing. She put together a slide show with music that makes me cry to this day. Your photographer is your choice. Their style and their price. Do your research and go with your heart (and budget).
in 2024 that's almost $3000 now
As a photographer, all the photos you showed Jessica from her gallery, were very basic. I'm not interested in her prices but the quality.
I'm too distracted by that first guy's nose ring swinging around every time he moves 😂
SAME 😂
feel that !!!
Same tho
It's her smugness that turned the internet against her, not the price. I'm sure there are people charging even more ridiculous prices, but you don't see them getting bashed...
I think this is the first time I've seen so many people comment against your take in one of these videos lol...just interesting to see lol I get that you're defending photography as an art form in general and I also get that you should charge whatever price is worth it to you, but I think its clear that she hasn't showcased her photography in the best light and that her attitude really threw people off
Nahhh Jessica you sound pressed in this video 😂😂 I literally thought it’s April fools
Some of those photos are objectively bad
The point that the comments are making
Is the photo that you showed look like they were shot by accident
And no knowledge is needed to take them
No good light control
No good composition
No good shadow work
No volume
No focus plane control
Nothing
It’s not importante if you have a 2k$ camera and you don’t know how to use it, you should sell it and learn the BASICS with a 300$ camera
I agree they didn’t really look purposeful
Artistic choice isn't bad lighting. Even strategically dark photos are lit correctly.
@@MxJeseka to be able to have an artistic choice you should know what you are doing
She needs to master the rules and basics so she can break them
Or else it looks like a mess
Most Noir films are dark, but looks good because the director of photography know how to use a camera and a lens and tastefully control the light and environment to get a mastershot
Jessica's point is that if the client went into her website, saw the photos and booked the woman, that's their choice.
Regardless of whether the pictures are objectively good or bad
@@t2o5n7y9 i don’t know if they choose her for “her work” or for her “high price” (probably though she must be good)
Because if they got mad at the photos they reserved, they most likely didn’t see her portfolio
She might be less then average photographer, but a grate saleswoman (if they saw her photos beforehand)
Or a scammer if she showed them good work and did a bad job
I think the real issue here is the INSANE cost of weddings and services for wedding. If the cost of your wedding is more than a house and a car is it REALLY worth it. 🙃🙃
And the live painting lady is there all through the wedding and the reception painting babe. It’s the same hours at the photographer they start at the same time of day. 😂
The issue isn’t the price, it’s her attitude combined with her quality of work. If those pictures were good then it would make sense. She didn’t have to complain, and people didn’t have to reply. Everyone should grow up. Also I think you’re too biased. Because you’re a photographer you’re quick to defend her. You have good points too, but you’re not seeing it from the customer pov.
I still think the attitude would be inexcusable if her work was good, honestly. There’s no reason for her to mock people like that. The poor quality definitely adds insult to injury though 🤦🏻
Its all the attitude. If someone comes in with an offer (an offer that the vast, vast majority of people can't even afford) and you come onto a public platform and act that way? Like they deserve to be mocked? THAT is not professional. That is insulting to everyone who wishes they could afford a proper wedding, much less a photographer. I've lived in LA county, and the elitism thats going on here is as familiar as it is sickening. She was just flexing at the expense of other people, and thats not okay and should not be defended
I like you Jessica but this video is not it… also about the artist and the photographer comparison photographer does not have to buy a camera as often as an artist has to buy paint. Yes Camera equipment is expensive but so is art both takes a lot of time but trashing artist is not it
i was thinking abt that cost breakdown like ofc a camera is expensive but this photographer is charging enough to buy an entire camera after every wedding she does lmao
Wedding photographers usually stay all day long and potentially have to hire a second shooter depending on the bride and groom's needs.. The price doesn't see far off to me. However the issue was her attitude towards it is very off putting. As a MUA in the bridal industry I'm aware my prices don't fit everyone's budget so I keep a list of other artist's with a similar style as mine to refer clients to. I would never just send back package prices knowing they are grossly out of their budget.
Why are we just accepting these ludicrous prices coming out of some services/small businesses purely because they think they can get away with it?
Businesses charge high prices "purely because they think they can get away with it" all the time. Have you looked at a cable bill with all the extra hidden charges, the mobile phone bill, or what a good plumber or electrician charges? Do you hold them to the same standard?
I still think those prices are outrageous, but some people play it, so go ahead. However, others can’t afford that, and shouldn’t be mocked for it, which seemed like she was doing
She's mocking clients who have a $2k budget, she's gonna get mocked for blurry photos.
Just looks weird to defend her when she's being condescending af.
Those prices are inconceivable for me. If I charged that much I could do 4 ou 5 engagements and straight up buy a house in my country
People are living paycheck to paycheck on 100k a year in LA it's a different world
@@nickguzman1734 sure, but photographers charging 28k are making way more than 100k a year
She charge what ever she want, if you don't wanna pay that price there's other photographer, its clearly no one business to tell her what to do and if her work worth it lmfao the level of untitlement. BUUUUUUUUUT i must admit putting a tiktok so shady, she kinda knew she's gonna receive a backfire, but well, all the comments and collage is gonna make her videos and profil jump high in the 4yp
the first guy's point was that HER skill wasn't there to charge that. not about photographers in general. She made a video to shame others, so she made herself fair game to judge as well
7:30 dang, when she went through her photos. They are trash. those are some first year art student just picking up a class photos
I really dislike intentional camera motion, I just don't think it looks good
It depends. It can be done in a cool artistic way but this ain't it for me
Jessica the pictures are objectively bad. I felt like you took this situation too personally, people understand that photography is difficult and requires a lot of work and time, but you have to admit this girl is overcharging.
I would say her prices are kinda low
I feel like she was not putting her best work forward on that website. I understand the frustration with people trying to lowball you, but maybe don’t put the worst on your website.
The blurry photos a trend for me. Is weird I don't get that. But if people like it go for it.
Same, it just looks messy and sloppy, I see nothing artistic in that but it’s up to everyone whether they want that or not. My friend specifically wanted blurry photos when she got married but I cringe at those photos. Love the other ones though!
As a photographer who mainly shoot fashion and have been shooting for brands
Her pics not worth the price
I believe In pricing yourself accordingly if Atleast have a better attitude
Beckham with blurry photos in his book "is this photography?"
Woman charging 8.5k for blurry photos "that's her style and I like it!"
I would like for you to analyze objectively those photos. Because if we are going down the path of "it' her style" then every amateur photographer has a style and not flaws and not things to improve. Yes, she's gonna charge whatever she wants and people will decide to buy it or not.
You can charge whatever you want... If you don't like their work don't hire them. It's not rocket science. Most people don't realize the time that goes into it before and after the actual wedding let alone the equipment.
Weird that she was defending this photographer but was roasting the hell out of brooklyn beckham’s blurry photos
RIGHT
Im a small time guy and i did a video were i charged 80$ and showed the raw footage to the client and asked if they wanted it edited a certain way they said they have seen my work and j can do what i like the next day i was told they did not like any of the edits (i did 2 different ones for free) and i showed themm all the raw footage and they said they hated it and wanted a refund
You will never make everyone happy ive found out
Kind of scary to think about as a photographer, but I do agree with the criticism. There’ll be a point in the near future where phone camera photos are able to be inexpensively and easily retouched in the style of any photographer and we need to prepare for that or risk becoming just another group of artists denying the inevitable impact of the coming technological revolution.
I couldn't agree more, which is why I left this beautiful profession after 12 years. I feel like I was born too late to be a photographer.
The problem is her attitude. People may pay it but I think many take much better photos than her and arent snobby. 8.5k sounds insane to me.. but i live in the midwest. Thats 3 months of take home pay for me. 😂 If her costs were that high and she wasnt rude, she wouldnt be getting roasted like this. You can't act like elitest / better than & mock a 2k budget while having photography that doesn't look spectacular. She's worth it to some but her attitude isnt it.
6:10 I love when people become so analytical about high-end stuff like it’s not just payment for a service, it’s being a patron to a skill. People are free to not do that.
I actually came to your channel today to rewatch an old video where you and 4 of your photographer friends photograph the same model in different locations, but in each artist's individual style. Please do more of those. 🙏
Instead, I've been stopped in my tracks by this divisive situation.😵💫
At first, I thought people might be using the term "blur" when they mean "bokeh" but that's not the case.
Radial and motion blur can be artistically applied. But the samples I saw are "out of focus" blur, which is what she's going for. If she says this is her style, then she can use this as a clause to mitigate having to rebate unhappy clients. Clever.
I hope client demand moves away from this "out of focus blur" style.
Much like interior decor style, it's the rich with more money than taste dictating a trend. Wealthy/famous give a magazine interview on their new beige walls, and this results in fans who aspire to be like them, creating a demand for beige. Then beige paint price spikes.
I feel the same is going on here.
If people check out Google reviews. In the last 4 days, the photographer has received many 5 star reviews...from other photographers coming to her defence. Not clients. Though there are previous 5 star client reviews.
It's good to see photographers who are also competitors rallying behind another, but their reviews of camaraderie are skewing the data. 🫤
She’s from California? Ridiculous prices are normal.
6:21 Ok this is not a bad idea. Maybe hire security or ensure a disposable camera desk at the entrance/exit
I've seen photographers charge 6500 easy, and it makes sense for the amount of time, back and forth client communication, meetings, plannings, permits, prints, storage space, etc.... No one is forcing anyone to hire this photographer so the hostility is unnecessary and a bit cruel to go after someone running a business some way. I doubt someone would drop this amount of money without knowing and understanding the style beforehand. I'm also 100% certain the photographer also gave a whole side of the gallery of 'traditional' safe shots as well for the family, so for these people going after photos that isn't to their taste remind yourself that someone loved their wedding gallery. Seeing their own wedding pics go viral being dragged is senselessly mean.
It’s not that she’s worth that amount or that the client feel like she’s worth that amount is the fact that many clients are actually ignorant and don’t know what they’re actually paying for and I see that very commonly when I was an amateur and have improved over the years I’ve seen that. Falls on the customer to do their research to what they’re paying for. At the end of the day most of the time when you see photographers that are amateurs or even average clients for that amount of money nine times at 10 the client is the ignorant one.
And is because of this ignorance that causes these photographers that many of which are genuinely not good causes them to get their ego inflated.
I'm an American photographer in Rome, Italy and some competitors here charge literally $20 so that makes me have to lower my price incredibly 😭California here I come
yea if we're taking material costs into account.. man do people not realize HOW expensive a good photography camera + lenses/ flash mounts, etc cost? its an EXPENSIVE skill
I would assume the original TikTok is an advert to the audience who are willing
The market, thats like our apartment complex trying to raise rent for market value but not having the pool next door has or the gym membership the other one has.
I don't think that the cost of gear & the time for post processing can be an argument if the pics look like a 10 yo take them with a smartphone.
You were right Jessica, I do not like (agree) what you said on this video.😂😘
I like blurry photos too, but what you choose to make a blurry shot can be a problem.
I can just imagine the bride in the future telling her grandchildren about how beautiful her wedding jewelry was..
Granny: “wait here kids, I have the wedding photos to show you the details…oh nvm. 😑”
We don’t want to be sad grannies with blurry photos. 😉
But yes, I do agree on that last part.. we just need to just check the photographers work first, and if we don’t like it, simply don’t book them. 🤷♀️😅
I feel like you've come at this from a strong bias of 'photography should be valued and she can charge what she wants', which is understandable as a photographer... But you saying some of those photos were good??! GIRL.
Well her photos you showed I didn't like they looked pretty basic to me.
Because when you look at some photographer's pics you are like WOW THAT'S AMAZING!!! Pics I saw here didn't wow me.
But it's up to people who want to hire her. If they love her style they will hire her.
Idk anything about the pricing because when I went to a photographer it was just when I was a kid - for one of my birthdays and my experience was horrible 😂
And the other time was when I went to take a pic for my ID. My ID will expire in December so I will have to go again this year so yea idk anything about photo pricing.
Yeah I agree with most of these comments. Tbh it kinda sounds like the 8.5k may have been a package rather than 1 day service, but I could be wrong. Either way, if she charges that much and people pay, eh not my business. (Although I do agree those photos are hella ugly and not special enough for wedding day photography, but that is my opinion and taste.) Her attitude is I think why people called her out so harshly. She’s a business person, but acting so rude and childish. Someone INQUIRED a sensible budget/amount for services. It’s normal as a business to respond back with starting prices. However why call them out and act so smug…like 2k is chump change?? Act like a grown up and a business person and treat people who like your work and inquire with respect. It’s not a big ask.
Tbh, if you don't like most of a photographers except except for a few photos it's real easy to say, "Hey, I'd like you stick to [insert examples] style wise more than [insert examples]." It's not hard. Especially when they WANT you to be happy w your photos.
9:58 You know this reminds me of that Pottery Girl incident in Australia.
The wedding painter has been painting and honing their techniques for nearly their entire life, and has logged more hours in their studio than any wedding photographer, I’d wager. Apples to oranges, first of all.
The way you tried to invalidate the wedding painter’s skill level is frankly disgusting. I’m a photographer but also a painter and I can tell you that the wedding painter does more prep in one day than a photographer does in a week.
My photos are decent , yet i was ghosted after i gave the price around rm450 (100 usd) for a wedding after negotiate. I know it was damn cheap but i'd do it anyway just for my portfolio. Thing is , people will always talk when they didn't met their expected budget. It is us as photographers to move on and just forget about it. They just don't deserve your art, mind your value. A same bottle of water at supermarket can be expensive in the airport and people would still buy it.
I'm doing my first wedding soon. I really do street photography portraits. But I hear I do very well.
I think about those couples whose photos are shown as examples of ugly photos.
After all, everyone can make an appointment with a photographer they can afford and whose style they like. One will buy a watch for $10, another for $100,000. Personally, I really like this photographer's photos. Would I give that much money? NO. But that's because they're way out of my budget, not because they're not worth it.
I have a friend that is a photographer and she stopped working for friends and family because some people would not even pay her for her work. I do not know what it is with photography that people do not see it as an actual jov
Don’t forget the hours, hours, HOURS! of work at the computer after the event. And please don’t say a real photographer will get it right in camera. True you get it close in camera and the composition has to be there but retouching and all the fine tuning takes time.
It doesn't depend on location. I'm in a little town in Kentucky and clients spend approx $3000 for my boudoir. Its the experience and photos. There always gonna be people who doesn't see the appreciation and those who do.
When I got married, my uncle's wife's friend took out photos for $800 and I thought that was ridiculous since she didn't do it long. I was supposed to be able to get any of the black and white photos color, but she then ghosted me. She also did "family" photos of my uncle's family and included them in the amount I was given. I wish I had money then to get a professional.
People don't want to pay for something they think they can do, however wrong they are. Can't tell you how many times I've seen comments along the lines of, "I can take a better photo on my phone," like wedding photos are one and done and not meticulously planned and edited.
I take better pictures on my iPhone than that girl did LOL. Thanks to my father who is a photographer. Appreciate you trying to validate her services and work but simmer down on those prices. Photography isn’t that serious.
Funny how one painting is an investment but the hundreds of photos are nothing. I'm not married and at this rate never will be but if i were it's the photos that give you eternal memories and more than one.
This is why all my photos will be taken by people coming. I’ll give out disposable cameras that they can put in a jar when they leave and I’ll develop those. At least where I live there’s not many actual good photographers. They all oversaturate the photos and edit like crazy. I mean some may like that but I don’t. I like contrast and more natural looking colors. I don’t want the grass to look like it’s glowing and I don’t want my face to look like I’m a doll with no pores. Plus I just love how any non digital camera film develops
Also heard her comment on this and most of the people at my wedding will know how to take a photo, so I feel confident about it. Also, it goes the same way she can price so she wants but people can verbally talk about how they will not willingly pay for that price. Being upset about it and playing it of as “okay and” when the comment on price just makes you seem very shallow. I get ppl need to get paid. But you don’t see me mocking ppl that couldn’t afford my paintings.
I fell like there are two things at play here - first of all is the blatant misogyny around women photographers just existing.
On the flip side though I think there's an element of classism in the photographers post. I get Cali dictates that any person offering their services needs to live and exist but to come out and flex like this seems to me like she was just baiting for engagement.
I don’t really think this instance has to do with misogyny. IG Reels comments go after anything they dislike tbh, the men get it just as equally
I do not like the style of photos, nor do I like the price but I also would not hire someone that had a different vision than me. I doubt her clients hired her without looking at her portfolio, so they obviously would have liked her style!
I agree with everything you said Jessica! Although $8000 was waaaay outside our budget, I can see the value of why people spend so much on photography and $8000 in CA is actually average for wedding photography and a lot of people charge 10 grand and up! If you can't afford it, that's fine, but find a photographer that isn't as established, but has some wedding photography under their belt. I think she could have been a bit more kind to people with $2000 budgets, like for example, as a freelancer, I would come back to the client and say, "For my main wedding packages, I start at X amount, but for your budget I'm willing to do X amount, but it's also possible she doesn't want to spend any amount of her time on smaller cheaper projects, and that's just life. She's well within her right to choose what projects she wants to take on and what she doesn't.
I like your videos, so please don’t take this as rude as it’s not meant to be. I’m just thinking about all the criticisms you’ve had of the photographers on ANTM, and I agree with them, but you have called a lot of their work objectively bad! People have the right to call her work bad, it’s their opinion
I do agree there was a better way for her to address the couple who only has a 2k budget. I don’t know the rest of the body of work of this photographer, or where these particular photos were taken, but I do think when people critique wedding photos, one thing they may not consider is that the photographer doesn’t have control over the venue. If the get ready area is a hotel room or a bathroom in an estate and looks like an ordinary bathroom, or a wedding is in an actual backyard there’s only so much creativity you can have. And for the dress photo, if the room has blank walls, or the room where the bridal party is getting ready is a disaster and the wall is the only place you can take a photo of the dress, what are you supposed to do if the bride has requested a dress photo of that style? While a photographer should be prepared with lighting, you also can’t make those special true natural lighting shots with light that’s simply not available, whether it be due to weather, time of day, or the venue and a lack of windows(even the direction the house is facing in relation to where the sun is in the sky will effect the availability of natural light).
Regardless of what your photography looks like, if you can sell someone on $8.5k then more power to you. It’s also about how you sell yourself, the confidence you exude and portray your services. Kudos to this girl!
Do I personally think her work is overpriced, yes. That just means I'm not her audience. My opinion of her work has no bearing on her skill level. I'm sure she's put a lot of time and effort into her body of work. Experience comes at a cost.
And here’s me with the budget of cheap as possible ended up $600 in 2015 ( 5 hrs)My pictures were perfect so gave a tip. I swear same as the photos shown in video. She did video to without me asking.
2000 is a good budget. Maybe a lil higher for California but It’s crazy for 8500 for the quality. But I guess if the photographer is there from dawn to dusk and the trip is long distance and an extra shooter maybe justifiable. But it got to be a lot of extras to make it worth that for me.
She can charge whatever she wants. People booked her and they paid it. The thing is if someone can afford that they are operating in a different class. $8k is only shocking because it’s a lot of money to most people, but $8k probably isn’t a lot to her clients.
People think it’s crazy charging $8k for photos but some people spend more than that on purses and shoes. Charging that much she also controls the type of clients she has. Only a specific class of people can afford that. So charging that much she ensures she’s only working in that class of people. The housing market and restaurants use the same tactic.
I also think with wedding photography specifically you are paying for the entire service. Looking at the few photos she post online isn’t the same as what a full service she probably delivers.
8k on a wedding day is still crazy, I do work as a photographer and I used to be a bridal sales person. I usually just work 200 or so a shoot or do 25 for a photo. But the arrogant adittude she gave off (tick tok person) was so bad it reminded me of working as a bridal stylist. What happened was that sale dresses were treated so vastly different and none of the other workers I worked with even offered to spot clean them like I did. They told me I was wasting my time. I told them its still a brides dress. They lost sight of the fact that some were spending just what they could to marry the love of their life and that's the point of everything its someones dream not a place to outlandishly charge them and take away from them starting their lives together like that. Thats highway robbery.
When I would shoot weddings I would charge $300 and I hated doing them. $300 wasn’t worth it so I stopped shooting weddings. For my wedding I looked at many many photographers and I knew what I was getting. She was only $500 and the pictures were amazing! I love looking back on them. But at the time I thought $500 was a lot. I would have paid more with how much I loved the photos! ❤
My wedding photographer was just starting out so we paid $1,500 and that was 10 years ago. She is now 10x more now and she is completely worth every penny. My MIL thought that was outrageous at the time and hated the style, but I loved it!! Just because it's not your style doesn't mean it's "bad photography", but I do agree that she seemed smugged and entitled.
Best advice I was given was to splurge on the photographer because that is what you see in the end!
Absolutely no one is taking pictures worth almost 10k. IDC. Unless I’m getting a lifetime supply of photographs, in no world would that be worth it.
It is low to attack an individuals livelyhood. If people want to critique a big multinational corporation fine they can take it...but to attack small buisnesses or an individual that works free lance is pretty low. The customers know what to expect from her page. If she only does like 10 or 20 weddings a year then she needs to charge enough to make a living. Im the opposite i totally undervalue myself and do underpaid work all the time. Im an artist and i paint portraits of ppl. At this point its more of a hobby than a career even though I did study art at university but I charge about 150 dollars for an A3 size portrait in oil paint and that barely covers my oil paints and the hours spent. People are so cheap the often try and haggle on an already extremly low price. I used to be a makup artist when i was younger and i would wind up doing friends makeup and hair for free all the time or id be doing brides and bridesmaids for like 50 dollars a face. It was fun but it wasnt even worth my time, the use of makup products, the petrol, driving there etc. life is really hard for creative types unless we value ourselves
I'm guessing they did eventually find a photographer within their budget because...what is the alternative? If they haven't spoken out & simply did business elsewhere, then the photographer invited all the critics to her business to do what critics do.
It's like the Keith Lee/The Real Milk & Honey scenario...minus the famous food blogger lol.
i personally really like the photos, but i just don't like how she mocked people in her tiktok. if people lowball you as a business owner or are pushy, i understand how that could be annoying and rude, but just ignore them. why make that your tiktok content
Honestly, photography is expensive bc it is art. It is also how someone makes a living. So when you only can typically do wedding shoots on weekends and during busy season, you have to have that money all year. Meanwhile, if you book a “mini” photo shoot, and the photographer has multiple mini photo sessions in a day, they are a few hundred dollars a piece if not more. So basically, you and every other session that day are splitting the cost of the photographer for a whole day. When you want her to be yours for the whole day, it’s obviously going to cost. I do think the photographer was being smug about the $2,000 thing, but the prices are dictated by the location and the demand. She is OBVIOUSLY in demand if she is making that money.
To the person that says it looks like she’s in a bathroom, she probably was. Many people get ready for weddings in their own homes or in churches or bathrooms (depending on wedding.) Sooo, yea, she may have been shooting that photo in the bathroom while the bride was getting ready. A photographer does not dictate or reserve a location, they work with what they have.
The thing that really got me was people actually went on her Google Business page and left awful 1* star reviews even though they have never ever worked with her. How spiteful do you need to be? I mean, things like that could seriously damage her business and livelihood, and it seems they're getting satisfaction in doing that.