I'm watching the first match right now and I can already say this is one of the most entertaining casts I've seen in a while! Watching a race swapped game like this really makes me respect the skill of SC2 progamers 'on-race' even more. For example, watching Raynor's relatively crude harassment really drove home for me just how insane Clem's harassment micro really is- and watching Clem trying to defend against that relatively weak harassment drives home just how clean and efficient the defensive game of top Zerg players has to be in order for them to even make it to the midgame against their world class opponents. Later on, watching Clem's relatively sloppy attempts to get a good engagement with Zerg shows just how much skill and positional understanding goes into every fight that Zerg players have to take. Conversely, Raynor lost entire squads of marines in positions a better Terran would win with ease, and it shows just how much of a razor's edge competitive Terrans have to walk in microing their units. I normally only watch pro matches, and so it's easy to take for granted just how strong pro SC2 players really are. This was a great reminder, and with both players offracing I have no idea how these matches are going to go. Great stuff!
reynor asking if ghosts are imba. yea.. yea they are, and that game where reynor just turtled the entire game and won....chefs kiss. a terran getting the full experience. the only time ive actually ever cheered for a terran lmao
I sure did against advanced ai that you can control through parallel protocol that creates literal genocides of their army and nuclear deconstruction of all their bases... terran is the hardest race to play against this ai xp thing
somehow you appeared on my main page again after like 5 years. I remember watching some of your commentaries way back, i didnt know starcraft was even alive still. Well im glad ur still doing videos
The plot arc we didn't know we needed Was nice hearing you care so genuinely for something Not just pisstake richie or anything like that but genuine investment
i really appreciate clem doing the serral thing of expanding to the enemy bases on ghost river, none of the other zergs are consistent about doing that but its so forward thinking
@CadeHill-ww6ox or protoss have no decent players besides maxpax. Hero was considered the best and he couldn't even leave a zealot in the wall and could let lings in 4 times in the one game because of f2. Clem is about the only terran who can beat Serral and people still always blame balance, not that he's insanely good
@@moradagh983Clem is the only person who can reliably beat Serral. Look at his win percentage. Serral is next level like Clem is. Clem just has ghosts so he wins. 🤷🏻♂️
Maybe because they're too versatile vs zerg. EMP makes spellcasters that have no basic attack of their own useless. Bonus damage to Light. Snipe to take out the biggest zerg units and spellcasters. Cloak to protect themselves when zerg has no detection.
@@aliceborg254 both are clearly not nearly as good with their races, practice or not. Reynor having more time offracing as them doesn't mean the race is less imbalanced than the other, it just means Clem is a really good player. Whine harder, Marine haver.
@@aliceborg254 'almost beat reynor' not sure we watched the same series tbh lmao 1:06:25 clem got trolled for over an hour straight and looked hopeless.
@@aliceborg254 seems you were really hurt by my comment lmao, ah well, only 3 weeks now until the new maps and balance, enjoy going back to your real (likely silver if you think clem was winning here) league when the +500mmr from the imbalance patch goes away :>
keep up the great work, Winter! Your commitment to this channel is truly impressive. I constantly find myself enjoying your quirky analytics and willingness to try new takes and angles of commentary when slicing up the plays and games.
Awesomr series! Made me appreciate Clem's scrappy and aggressive terran playstyle so much more, since he could easily adopt more of a Maru style turtle-y build that drags on
How? The main had 9000 turrets (he shows it for a second while admiring the Maginot), I don't even know if there was enough space to drop one among those 🤣
Hey, remember that statement in patch 5.0.12? "Increase the variety in the mid game and late game army compositions by reducing the strength of massed Ghosts, Banelings, and Disruptors." I guess 2 out of 3 ain't bad according to the Balance Council and Blizzard.
@@verdibyrdim sorry, can you specifically point out what bio buffs? Oh there weren't any? Ok..can you check ghosts for the last 3 patches, what about them? Oh 3 nerfs in a row...interesting. Maybe if you stopped talking shit based on your bias and looked at some actual facts...
@@Havoc199 or maybe if you actually knew the game at all before talking from your ass at me you would actually recall the bio buffs, bio had their upgrade costs reduced and medivac healing got doubled. maybe do some research before letting your ass lips open to speak next time ok?
@@Havoc199 or MAYBE if you actually had any idea what you are talking about or waited for me to answer your question before talking out of your ass and crying about it like a 12y/o you would be better informed. in the same patch as banelings and distruptors got nerfed, bio timings got buffed aka their upgrades cost less, and bio in general got buffed aka medivacs never run out of energy. now, maybe you can tell me about the 3 patches of ghost nerfs? emp got reduced from 'one click to delete half of protoss army hp' to 'two clicks to half protoss army hp' and snipe got nerfed to no longer 3 shot an ultra, in one patch. what were the other two patches nerfing about ghost? i forgot please remind me. oh wait, you were talking shit. nvm.
Reynors is now a legend in my heart for this third game ! It felt so good to see a terran player facing a CC turtle/tank/ghosts and all theses infuriating things x') (Even if Clem isn't this kind of turtle terran btw.)
Reynor will be the Random champ soon !!! 1:45:03 "the Queen caught out..." he wanted to say "pants down" but that'd be disrespectful for the French's Queen, even though she'd be executed a few seconds later but still... dignity =)))
Can't think of anybody that can beat him. Top3 zerg and very consistently high level on t and p. Funny how bad Clem is at zerg compared to Reynors protoss and terran.
things I found out from this video: - clem doesnt like to spread out and surround, basically balls up and goes in from just one direction - winter has a crush on nova.. at least the skin
The ease with which Reynor dismantles Clem will hopefully put any discussion to rest about race balance atm, lol. Although it shows how easily games can be lost by T in a single fight if zerg gets a jump on them. "Maybe if clem kills nova, reynor will tap out" lol.
This does not put balance discussion to rest at all. Not to mention the vast majority of balance discussion is just whining from commenters who dont play or even understand the game themselves. Its just a bias and they comment loudly on every, single, feckin video. And that goes to all sides. Tbis game has over the last 2 years had the most consistent winrates closest to 50% than we have ever had in sc2 history (at pro level). For almost 8 months straight there was less than 2% deviance from 50% in any matchup. In this example: Reynor clearly has a better grasp of terran than clem does zerg. It comes down to (as nearly always at pro level) who played better in that game. For example game 1 clem basically just used ling bane hydra the entire game. With a handful of lurkers and a few infestors thrown in. Meanwhile reynor was using more varied tools as well as the ghost/bio. Also this should stop people complaining that infestors are hard countered by ghosts. They arent. Its a soft counter and it goes both ways. Fungal'd ghosts are dead ghosts. 2 fungals in the entirety of game 1 landed and it singlehandedly won the game as without the ghost terran simply cant hold even against basic ling bane hydra. Amd clem even forgot adrenal and vipers in that game. On the other hand reynor should've used more libs as well tho.
@@Havoc199 Fungal'ed ghosts not necessarily being dead but quite often just 2-3 dying for quite an investment of zerg army is exactly the problem and there are countless videos of recent pro matches you can look at it. Just in the serral vs. maru 4 - 1 or 4-0 or what it was that was insanely apparent. Serral fully fungal'ed so many armies of maru and won all the later games by the skin of his teeth. Serral used the entire zerg arsenal, including nyduses to rescue lurkers stuck behind PFs, constantly scouting, dropping etc. while maru couldn't even be bothered to build 1-2 ravens to detect the random infestors or rebuild his anti-infestor turrets after some point. You can see many zergs heavily outplaying T, like clem getting his bases constantly run by by reynor in many games yet he can just press forward because zerg is so bad at defending stimmed bio if T plays well enough that he usually gets something in return. If T players are good in very specific skills but worse than their opponent in most other aspects of the game, it just feels cheap for them to win and that's clearly some inbalance in that specific aspect of T. If clem did better with his consistency of play and didn't focus that much on attacking but also defended better, zerg would have no chance at all, because almost no zerg have a decent shot at clem anyways. And if the latest patch goes through, I'm pretty sure T will make up 70-80% of all Ro8 contestants in tournaments, they're already pretty heavily outnumbering P and Z.
@@asdfasdf-mn8iu ill agree that fungal doesn't necessarily decide. But i have to disagree on serral vs maru. Maru hasnt had a close game with serral in ages. Serral stomps him every time they meet pretty much. Also id have to add that terran has multiple pieces and for them to work they need the different pieces working in unison. You need the basic bio, the tanks/mines. Libs and medevacs. Viking if opponent has any air. Then of course the ghost ball. If any of these are lacking it open up opportunities to crack open terrans. Ghosts are the only thing that really holds it all together. This combination of units is exactly what makes late game terran so strong and very difficult to push into. But at the same time it's why they have to commit large supply to a single area to hold. You need all the pieces so having to split the army just weakens both halves. I don't think there is much inherent imbalance in the game right now. Tournament wins are a tiny sample size and comes down to individual player, not race. All the major tournaments are won by a couple of the same players again and again.
This is somehow the least and also most likely thing for these two players to do i feel. I am similtaneously surprised and goijg "yeah that sounds right"
when both teams are maxxed out supply and sitting on 6k+ gas, terrain build extra planetaries and missle turrets to turtle in. why doesn't zerg just build more hatcheries and spines? Would'n't it make sense at some point to turn all drones into non supply units and just have so many hatcheries that you could sned stop all-in ultra/brood with a massive near endless army? how hard would it be to rush ling into production and send brood/ultra/lurk on the main front?
Y'all can argue all day about whether or not Terran is "overpowered" but this set just perfectly illustrates how the bad design of Terran just breaks the game. Reynor (barely) loses two games while playing Terran in good faith, then perfectly illustrates how Terran can just "decide" to win by engaging in a stupid and boring play pattern, and winning three straight games that weren't even close. The chef's kiss was game three, where Reynor shows off how superfluous are all the things we usually pretend that high-level Terrans are doing that win these games. He didn't multi-drop, he didn't immaculately target-fire banelings or split marines, he didn't harass, he didn't even push. He left Clem alone to do whatever he wanted on the map for 15 full minutes, and it didn't matter. Reynor decides not to just obliterate Clem the fist time he makes a mistake, and instead lets Clem concede that the game is unwinnable even with a $22k+ resource bank and full map control.
Yea yea, downplay the Best SC2 player on this planet as “barley winning out of pity”- just keep on doing this for 10 more years and the Zerg might finally receive a martyr status.
My brother in Christ this is Clem fucking around on a race he rarely plays vs Reynor who's a pretty decent terran at pro level. Make no mistake Dark wouldn't have lost vs Reynor given that space and resources. You're reading way too hard in to the copium when the reality is Clems not a good Zerg and the micro that is his biggest strength is wasted.
To me these games really show how overpowered terrans are. The skill and creativity needed to play Zerg into Terrans is insanely high while Terrans just neeed to not get totally destroyed early and not throw entire armies (throwing away 1 army seems fine unless its your literal first one) and be fine. Yes, the unit composition of Clem was not great and he didnt play all that well but seeing how easy it is to turtle as terran, how cost effective the Terrans are, the insanely overpowered ghosts and siegetanks. I seriously thing there is a problem here.
100% agree. Theres a reason clem 5-0'ed seral in the 100k tournament. This is the problem with the highest level play in starcraft 2 the pros dont play their absolute strongest cards because they dont want the devs to know just how powerful particular set ups are, so when no money is on the line clem plays marines medivacs marauders and siege. He very rarely plays ghost in typical matches where theres no rewards, its not a criticism of clem or top players, its moreso my frustration the devs dont play their own game as well as pros, or even have a feedback system for professional players to impact the game ballance.
Clem clapped Reinor with 2/0 in the first 60 minutes, Clem started to fall off in the second half of the game only for the simple reason that he couldn't do end-game the way a proper Zerg main does. Just better at the game.
game 1 - i thought reynor have that in the bag until that game changing fungal! game 5 - u know it's bad when the terran have more mining base than the zerg.
@@GenePerry you are an idiot. He killed no drones, he just lost the hellions. Tank pushes are stronger in t v z if you have hellion support. What you said was idiotic.
First time I see clem playing the underd.. I mean zerg😅 38:51 I love how he cares his queens without queens all is lost .this kid is talented with Z I am 😮
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Reynor embracing the Terran spirit by not building a Raven with 1800 gas in the bank
Ravens aren’t worth it in TvZ as this had been said 10000 times
"I WILL open Reapers. I WILL NOT build a Raven against Zerg. I WILL NOT repair my Medivacs."
-The Terran Oath
Ravens are TvT only.
@@jeffreyrook8073 Oorah!
1:05:40 Clem finally unterstanding the frustration and main problem of Zerg. Funny to watch that moment.
That and the "scan spam" was just Reynor trolling Clem hard :D
serral was winning like none stop till this year, and zerg won more than t,p combined, so stfu. kid.
@@kafkick82 So mad, must be a Terran main who thinks Ghost are weak actually XD
@@Njrocks00 you must be a bronze Zerg
@@kafkick82 awe lil salty baby XD I touched a nerve hes so mad the lil baby
Reynor repairing so little, Louis Rossmann would be pissed 😂
In the future the Terran alliance & confederate has dis-allowed the right to repair. Only the old remnants of Korhal have retained that privilege
I don't know how anyone forgets Adrenal Glands, I've never forgotten it in my life (I play terran)
Don't they have coaches during the matches? "Adrenal glands! You need adrenal glands!"
@@wheresbarry1434 Upgrades people! Upgrades
@@wheresbarry1434 Do they?
@@Jyoryaxx I know team games they do.
@@wheresbarry1434 Pretty sure even inthose the coach is not supposed to be making calls during the match, just before/after
I'm watching the first match right now and I can already say this is one of the most entertaining casts I've seen in a while!
Watching a race swapped game like this really makes me respect the skill of SC2 progamers 'on-race' even more. For example, watching Raynor's relatively crude harassment really drove home for me just how insane Clem's harassment micro really is- and watching Clem trying to defend against that relatively weak harassment drives home just how clean and efficient the defensive game of top Zerg players has to be in order for them to even make it to the midgame against their world class opponents.
Later on, watching Clem's relatively sloppy attempts to get a good engagement with Zerg shows just how much skill and positional understanding goes into every fight that Zerg players have to take. Conversely, Raynor lost entire squads of marines in positions a better Terran would win with ease, and it shows just how much of a razor's edge competitive Terrans have to walk in microing their units.
I normally only watch pro matches, and so it's easy to take for granted just how strong pro SC2 players really are. This was a great reminder, and with both players offracing I have no idea how these matches are going to go. Great stuff!
Exactly my takeaway. I would love to see more of this.
Well said.
I am back for the most professional Starcraft 2.
reynor asking if ghosts are imba. yea.. yea they are, and that game where reynor just turtled the entire game and won....chefs kiss. a terran getting the full experience. the only time ive actually ever cheered for a terran lmao
The only time I've wanted Zerg to lose, give em a taste of his own medicine Reynor.⚔️
haha, exactly the same!
Game 3 was great.💯
yes, first time I didn't root against Terran
I sure did against advanced ai that you can control through parallel protocol that creates literal genocides of their army and nuclear deconstruction of all their bases... terran is the hardest race to play against this ai xp thing
Hopping on the train, same for me. First time hoping the Terran wins. I think it's clear that the ghost needs some heavy nerfs.
Lol clem had a taste of Terran medicine turtle
"Karen! JESUS!"
"Don't you mean 'OVERMIND', Susan?!"
"It's Kerigan now"
- Winter deep cuts.
somehow you appeared on my main page again after like 5 years. I remember watching some of your commentaries way back, i didnt know starcraft was even alive still. Well im glad ur still doing videos
(side note despite watching you so long ago your hairline immediately hit me the way it receded)
The plot arc we didn't know we needed
Was nice hearing you care so genuinely for something
Not just pisstake richie or anything like that but genuine investment
i really appreciate clem doing the serral thing of expanding to the enemy bases on ghost river, none of the other zergs are consistent about doing that but its so forward thinking
yep you're right, can't stop them taking the base eventually so remove minerals before they get it.
Is my opponent's race OP, or do I just suck? A classic question indeed!
1:06:25 Only terrans are still asking themselves this question 15 years later.
@@jebediah4780 terrans are the only op faction left lol they've nerfed toss and zerg into the dort
@CadeHill-ww6ox or protoss have no decent players besides maxpax. Hero was considered the best and he couldn't even leave a zealot in the wall and could let lings in 4 times in the one game because of f2. Clem is about the only terran who can beat Serral and people still always blame balance, not that he's insanely good
@@moradagh983Clem is the only person who can reliably beat Serral. Look at his win percentage. Serral is next level like Clem is. Clem just has ghosts so he wins. 🤷🏻♂️
@@jebediah4780 To be fair, Clem went Pool first on this map, knowing that the late game didn't favor him, on this map especially.
Baller move. Plus Raynor should have always been Terran with a name like that
Raynor’s love for Kerrigan explains it.
Infested Terran
I still remember when Reynor came onto the scene and I hated the spelling of his name. Now I think 'Raynor' is wrong.
@@hellowill
Damn auto correct misleads me by suggesting “Ray or” as I type.
"All you have to do,
is take out
every.
single.
ghost.
Blizzard did it, Clem did it,
why can't everyone else?"
😂
Maybe because they're too versatile vs zerg. EMP makes spellcasters that have no basic attack of their own useless. Bonus damage to Light. Snipe to take out the biggest zerg units and spellcasters. Cloak to protect themselves when zerg has no detection.
@paulhamtorlia3039 That was sarcastic I think. We are all well aware of the versatility of Ghosts vs Zerg.
@@paulhamtorlia3039 It was just a quote from Winter in this video. And a funny one in my opinion. It's not a statement :p
Sooo funny cast Ty !
23:19 the sound - omg - nightmare fuel lol
terrans starting writing their thesis on 'zerg op' after game 2, proceed to get trolled into oblivion by reynor 🤣
Clem won 2 out of 5 games. Almost beat Reynor. Reynor offraces terran more than clem offraces zerg. Enjoy holding the R key and amoving your roaches.
@@aliceborg254 both are clearly not nearly as good with their races, practice or not. Reynor having more time offracing as them doesn't mean the race is less imbalanced than the other, it just means Clem is a really good player.
Whine harder, Marine haver.
@@cousinpatsey2471 OK sweety. Tell me how hard amoving bane lings into planetaries is.
@@aliceborg254 'almost beat reynor' not sure we watched the same series tbh lmao 1:06:25 clem got trolled for over an hour straight and looked hopeless.
@@aliceborg254 seems you were really hurt by my comment lmao, ah well, only 3 weeks now until the new maps and balance, enjoy going back to your real (likely silver if you think clem was winning here) league when the +500mmr from the imbalance patch goes away :>
My brain can't handle this.
What's next? Serral playing Protoss?
"Sir this is the Hatchery Owner's Association, do you have a permit? No?? Well the penalty is DEATH." "Oh my GOD Karen..."
He's so funny man 🤣
As someone who usually roots for Zerg, I am torn and confused.
keep up the great work, Winter! Your commitment to this channel is truly impressive. I constantly find myself enjoying your quirky analytics and willingness to try new takes and angles of commentary when slicing up the plays and games.
What a series, can't say I'm surprised, turtle terran is absurdly strong.
And very annoying.
All the top terrans don't play turtle except 1.
Invespment is the word you're looking for, Winter.
There it is. Well done.
Wait... what about: "Investing in vespene"? (say it fast for maximum effect)
shhh no, it's not time yet. later.
One of my favourite SC2 Videos to date; very cool thank you Winter for the excellent commentary as usual too.
Awesomr series! Made me appreciate Clem's scrappy and aggressive terran playstyle so much more, since he could easily adopt more of a Maru style turtle-y build that drags on
"Ive been chillin since minute 1" Reynors a legend
Game 3 is ridiculous... 10+ orbitals... 8 sensor towers... reynor really embraces terran philosophy
that game 5 must have been incredibly cathartic for reynor lol. ik it was for me :D
1:06:00 Now that was a proper "chucking a Zerg".
Welp, as an ardent Zerg enthusiast I guess I have no choice but to root for Clem. Thanks, I hate it.
Clem gets a taste of how OP Terran is nowadays.
Seeing reynor without zerglings is like a black mirror episode
3th match, Clem could made some Nydus Networks; did raynor expect that?
How? The main had 9000 turrets (he shows it for a second while admiring the Maginot), I don't even know if there was enough space to drop one among those 🤣
Hey, remember that statement in patch 5.0.12? "Increase the variety in the mid game and late game army compositions by reducing the strength of massed Ghosts, Banelings, and Disruptors."
I guess 2 out of 3 ain't bad according to the Balance Council and Blizzard.
Funny how the one that the nerf bat misses is usually Terran, eh?
@@laureloneiros1500 even more funny when the entire point was to make pvt a little more balanced for p. then they nerf distruptor and buff bio. 🤔😴😵💫
@@verdibyrdim sorry, can you specifically point out what bio buffs? Oh there weren't any? Ok..can you check ghosts for the last 3 patches, what about them? Oh 3 nerfs in a row...interesting.
Maybe if you stopped talking shit based on your bias and looked at some actual facts...
@@Havoc199 or maybe if you actually knew the game at all before talking from your ass at me you would actually recall the bio buffs, bio had their upgrade costs reduced and medivac healing got doubled. maybe do some research before letting your ass lips open to speak next time ok?
@@Havoc199 or MAYBE if you actually had any idea what you are talking about or waited for me to answer your question before talking out of your ass and crying about it like a 12y/o you would be better informed. in the same patch as banelings and distruptors got nerfed, bio timings got buffed aka their upgrades cost less, and bio in general got buffed aka medivacs never run out of energy. now, maybe you can tell me about the 3 patches of ghost nerfs? emp got reduced from 'one click to delete half of protoss army hp' to 'two clicks to half protoss army hp' and snipe got nerfed to no longer 3 shot an ultra, in one patch. what were the other two patches nerfing about ghost? i forgot please remind me. oh wait, you were talking shit. nvm.
I love it when the players talk in chat, makes me laugh so much
20 marines vs 20 beanlings and 40 zerglings and quuens and hydra, the marienes is overpowered, he need update to 75 minerals a marine
been complaining about this for years. marines are way too cheap for wat they can do. anti air anti ground high dps ranged has stim can be healed
Interesting too see the reversal of races, thanks
These two guys are so entertaining to watch, this series was a treat.
I'm not watching this until the morning because its nearly 2am here now, but I'm going to enjoy the ever loving shit out of this one I can feel it
love the music choices man, especially the stuff on the 3rd game
Reynor channeled his inner Maru for the last match.
Reynors is now a legend in my heart for this third game !
It felt so good to see a terran player facing a CC turtle/tank/ghosts and all theses infuriating things x')
(Even if Clem isn't this kind of turtle terran btw.)
Reynor will be the Random champ soon !!!
1:45:03 "the Queen caught out..." he wanted to say "pants down" but that'd be disrespectful for the French's Queen, even though she'd be executed a few seconds later but still... dignity =)))
Can't think of anybody that can beat him. Top3 zerg and very consistently high level on t and p. Funny how bad Clem is at zerg compared to Reynors protoss and terran.
That was hella fun. I laughed watching Clem's lings in ankle-biting A-move mode instead of surrounds in game one.
things I found out from this video:
- clem doesnt like to spread out and surround, basically balls up and goes in from just one direction
- winter has a crush on nova.. at least the skin
reynor walking a dozen cloak ghosts into clem and wiping his base and all this hydras was peak gameplay lol
Reynor without concussive shells for 18:00 in the first game...
1:03:10 when mining runs out, the Terran medicine begins
"Is my opponents race or strategy imbalanced... or do I just suck?" Classic unhinged Winter 🤣
Ghosts OP
The ease with which Reynor dismantles Clem will hopefully put any discussion to rest about race balance atm, lol. Although it shows how easily games can be lost by T in a single fight if zerg gets a jump on them.
"Maybe if clem kills nova, reynor will tap out" lol.
This does not put balance discussion to rest at all. Not to mention the vast majority of balance discussion is just whining from commenters who dont play or even understand the game themselves. Its just a bias and they comment loudly on every, single, feckin video. And that goes to all sides.
Tbis game has over the last 2 years had the most consistent winrates closest to 50% than we have ever had in sc2 history (at pro level). For almost 8 months straight there was less than 2% deviance from 50% in any matchup.
In this example:
Reynor clearly has a better grasp of terran than clem does zerg. It comes down to (as nearly always at pro level) who played better in that game.
For example game 1 clem basically just used ling bane hydra the entire game. With a handful of lurkers and a few infestors thrown in. Meanwhile reynor was using more varied tools as well as the ghost/bio.
Also this should stop people complaining that infestors are hard countered by ghosts. They arent. Its a soft counter and it goes both ways. Fungal'd ghosts are dead ghosts. 2 fungals in the entirety of game 1 landed and it singlehandedly won the game as without the ghost terran simply cant hold even against basic ling bane hydra. Amd clem even forgot adrenal and vipers in that game. On the other hand reynor should've used more libs as well tho.
@@Havoc199 Fungal'ed ghosts not necessarily being dead but quite often just 2-3 dying for quite an investment of zerg army is exactly the problem and there are countless videos of recent pro matches you can look at it. Just in the serral vs. maru 4 - 1 or 4-0 or what it was that was insanely apparent. Serral fully fungal'ed so many armies of maru and won all the later games by the skin of his teeth. Serral used the entire zerg arsenal, including nyduses to rescue lurkers stuck behind PFs, constantly scouting, dropping etc. while maru couldn't even be bothered to build 1-2 ravens to detect the random infestors or rebuild his anti-infestor turrets after some point.
You can see many zergs heavily outplaying T, like clem getting his bases constantly run by by reynor in many games yet he can just press forward because zerg is so bad at defending stimmed bio if T plays well enough that he usually gets something in return. If T players are good in very specific skills but worse than their opponent in most other aspects of the game, it just feels cheap for them to win and that's clearly some inbalance in that specific aspect of T. If clem did better with his consistency of play and didn't focus that much on attacking but also defended better, zerg would have no chance at all, because almost no zerg have a decent shot at clem anyways.
And if the latest patch goes through, I'm pretty sure T will make up 70-80% of all Ro8 contestants in tournaments, they're already pretty heavily outnumbering P and Z.
@@asdfasdf-mn8iu ill agree that fungal doesn't necessarily decide.
But i have to disagree on serral vs maru. Maru hasnt had a close game with serral in ages. Serral stomps him every time they meet pretty much.
Also id have to add that terran has multiple pieces and for them to work they need the different pieces working in unison.
You need the basic bio, the tanks/mines. Libs and medevacs. Viking if opponent has any air. Then of course the ghost ball.
If any of these are lacking it open up opportunities to crack open terrans. Ghosts are the only thing that really holds it all together.
This combination of units is exactly what makes late game terran so strong and very difficult to push into. But at the same time it's why they have to commit large supply to a single area to hold. You need all the pieces so having to split the army just weakens both halves.
I don't think there is much inherent imbalance in the game right now. Tournament wins are a tiny sample size and comes down to individual player, not race. All the major tournaments are won by a couple of the same players again and again.
Clemmigan rises
These two are just soo good that unless you know their playstyle it would be very hard to tell they are playing an alternate race.
Damn Zerg so OP that they win even when they're offracing 😠
How satisfying to see Clem fall to exactly the unit that annoys Zerg the most, and with no counter-strategy to it at all.
the only counter is to only use t1 and t2 units.. lol
If you watch game 1 again. He killed all the ghosts twice. With ling bane hydra and a single infestor.
This is somehow the least and also most likely thing for these two players to do i feel. I am similtaneously surprised and goijg "yeah that sounds right"
One unit baiting zerg into a seige tank line is exactly like a SC1 campaing mission.
Reynor here just casually showing how broken terran are. Terran with zerg instincts is truly unbreakable.
They dont show up on the unit death screen because they are MIA. not declared dead :P
Like button smashed 🎉🎉🎉
I don't flip the script, the script flips me -Clem
when both teams are maxxed out supply and sitting on 6k+ gas, terrain build extra planetaries and missle turrets to turtle in. why doesn't zerg just build more hatcheries and spines? Would'n't it make sense at some point to turn all drones into non supply units and just have so many hatcheries that you could sned stop all-in ultra/brood with a massive near endless army? how hard would it be to rush ling into production and send brood/ultra/lurk on the main front?
1:20:00 HE DID YOUR THING WINTER
Dude I love your Bob Ross shirt.
Reynor's bio flanking as if they are zerglings😂
Y'all can argue all day about whether or not Terran is "overpowered" but this set just perfectly illustrates how the bad design of Terran just breaks the game. Reynor (barely) loses two games while playing Terran in good faith, then perfectly illustrates how Terran can just "decide" to win by engaging in a stupid and boring play pattern, and winning three straight games that weren't even close.
The chef's kiss was game three, where Reynor shows off how superfluous are all the things we usually pretend that high-level Terrans are doing that win these games. He didn't multi-drop, he didn't immaculately target-fire banelings or split marines, he didn't harass, he didn't even push. He left Clem alone to do whatever he wanted on the map for 15 full minutes, and it didn't matter. Reynor decides not to just obliterate Clem the fist time he makes a mistake, and instead lets Clem concede that the game is unwinnable even with a $22k+ resource bank and full map control.
Serral gets smashed and suddenly the Zerg fanboys start crying about imba LMAAAAAAAAAO
I believe clem didn't use the right unit composition at the end. Broodlord would have balanced the game if used. He never used the nydus too..
@@Wicoybroods are trash cmon, I agree on Nydus. Could at least burn some apm on those
Yea yea, downplay the Best SC2 player on this planet as “barley winning out of pity”- just keep on doing this for 10 more years and the Zerg might finally receive a martyr status.
My brother in Christ this is Clem fucking around on a race he rarely plays vs Reynor who's a pretty decent terran at pro level. Make no mistake Dark wouldn't have lost vs Reynor given that space and resources.
You're reading way too hard in to the copium when the reality is Clems not a good Zerg and the micro that is his biggest strength is wasted.
To me these games really show how overpowered terrans are. The skill and creativity needed to play Zerg into Terrans is insanely high while Terrans just neeed to not get totally destroyed early and not throw entire armies (throwing away 1 army seems fine unless its your literal first one) and be fine.
Yes, the unit composition of Clem was not great and he didnt play all that well but seeing how easy it is to turtle as terran, how cost effective the Terrans are, the insanely overpowered ghosts and siegetanks. I seriously thing there is a problem here.
100% agree. Theres a reason clem 5-0'ed seral in the 100k tournament. This is the problem with the highest level play in starcraft 2 the pros dont play their absolute strongest cards because they dont want the devs to know just how powerful particular set ups are, so when no money is on the line clem plays marines medivacs marauders and siege.
He very rarely plays ghost in typical matches where theres no rewards, its not a criticism of clem or top players, its moreso my frustration the devs dont play their own game as well as pros, or even have a feedback system for professional players to impact the game ballance.
Clem clapped Reinor with 2/0 in the first 60 minutes, Clem started to fall off in the second half of the game only for the simple reason that he couldn't do end-game the way a proper Zerg main does.
Just better at the game.
I think what you're experiencing is referred to as confirmation bias.
@@TheLOMTONG I think what you're experiencing is confirmation bias whilst perceiving someone else's opinions as confirmation bias.
To me this types of comments really show that to talk about balance in asymetric game someone need to have at least medium IQ.
Gotta say I love the Bob Ross shirt
Oh I like this. Now we need Serral playing Terran
apparently serral is actually very strong with terran, would like to see it too tbh
I appreciate the iodis reference 🙇🏼♂️
Clem game two: okay, but instead of reapers, why don't I just micro 4 zerglings?
Is my opponent race or strategy Imbalanced or do I just suck?
Clem's Brenda and Susan are quite spicy.
Seeing these two make mistakes like they are in the lower Top 10 of the world is actually quite refreshing!
Ghost's a pretty good unit, huh Clem 😉😁
"and i'd do it anyways because i don't know what elts i'd do with my life" literally the last 8 videos i've seen.
else?
game 1 - i thought reynor have that in the bag until that game changing fungal!
game 5 - u know it's bad when the terran have more mining base than the zerg.
Need need need to know where the soundtrack playing at 56:46 is from. Been trying to Shazam it pretty much every video to no avail
Thanks to you i got a little bit better day Sir
Game 5 was a Nova-Campaign mission :D
Game 4 was pure Reynor fire. Normally a Clemfan but was super impressed with Reynor’s hellion play.
losing hellions aren't very impressive
@@aliceborg254sacrificed actually. That allowed the marine push that won G4.
@@GenePerry you are an idiot. He killed no drones, he just lost the hellions. Tank pushes are stronger in t v z if you have hellion support. What you said was idiotic.
what a cool series
I'm just surprised Clem pulled out a win in a drawn out game with no adrenal.
Haha jimmy needs a vacation that’s a lot of counting.
Clem losing to mass ghost is very nice to watch!
What about Broodlords or Swarmhosts in last two games? not good?
Now that's entertainment.
If we ever get a major event we need winter casting
So gosu
i guess a hand full of zerglings isnot even one considering they are like young cows in mass
First time I see clem playing the underd.. I mean zerg😅 38:51 I love how he cares his queens without queens all is lost .this kid is talented with Z I am 😮
Damn that's a good race.
super fun series
the most professional starcraft 2.
I'm a terran so naturally my race is imba AND i suck.
oh that's so awesome
Hmm, I'm here for this for sure.
Awesome series
will jimmy appear on october 31? He works very hard and maybe deserves a spot.
I'm a simple man. Number go up. I like.