Introducing The RetroTINK 4K
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- Опубликовано: 29 июл 2024
- With the RetroTINK 4K coming out of an almost year-long private beta and now being publicly tested by some of the best people in retro, I felt it was time to do a proper introduction video. I tried to concentrate on things I felt I could add to the conversation, while also promoting upcoming videos from Digital Foundry, My Life In Gaming, GameSack and Wobbling Pixels. Please consider supporting if you liked what you saw: www.retrorgb.com/support.html
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00:00 Opening
00:43 Intro
01:34 Alternatives
05:09 Hardware
06:36 Profiles
10:31 CRT Emulation
13:24 HDMI Input
16:03 Arcade
16:40 120Hz BFI
20:49 Lag Testing
24:08 Dislikes
26:33 Conclusion 
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im so happy people are still designing stuff like this. keeping retro alive!
I want to buy one
This is what I've been waiting for. With old hardware reaching increasingly absurd costs, this device with its CRT masks is the final piece of the puzzle I needed for my retro gaming renaissance to be complete. What a time to be alive.
Now we only need 4:3 aspect ratio oled display
@@TheSamp00it’s quite easy to take a 32” OLED and hide the borders inside if it bothers you
Out with the new, in with the old !
I remember the days when everyone and their mom wanted the Frameister RGB but everyone also thought $700 was crazy expensive. We got cheaper options and now it feels like we've come full circle. Back to near $1,000 prices.
Emulators are free. Anyone buying this junk deserves to be robbed 😂
@@christophervanzettasome people love using original hardware?
Shouldnt mean we should be robbed
@@Alvarez1437ROBBING implies you were forcefully handing over your money. You don’t have to buy it.
@@MrLops914and if you quit paying these outrageous prices they might release a product priced more reasonably.
Appreciate all that you do Bob.
"Oh this is expensive"! These same people have no problem paying nearly 2000 dollars for an iphone.
LMFAO...I didn't even think of that! Excellent point. And look, it IS expensive. And it's totally okay if people think it's out of their budget. I only get annoyed at the people who come here accusing Mike of "ripping people off" because he decided to make a high end product, as well as entry-level.
...and I'm totally stealing your "expensive cellphone" comparison :)
Only difference is that typically you don't pay in full for phones. The cost is dispersed throughout 2 years on your cellphone bill and people don't usually realize that or find it easier to deal with. Yes, you could put the cost of the rt4k on a credit card and say what's the difference but the cost of the phone via billing on your cell bill isn't charged interest either and will 100% be paid off eventually make the same payments for 2 years. You also typically have the option to trade it in and upgrade after half (1 year) of it is paid for.
Not disagreeing with the point, it's just not a complete end to end comparison and I have a rt4k now (thankfully) and is sooooo worth it. I've been dying for this solution as I have an ossc and just, didn't feel like it was enough for how I wanted to use my unmodded consoles and was fearing that I basically was going to need to mod a lot of my consoles to get anything worthwhile when trying to capture or just play on my c9.
Rama's (3:58) profile image caught me off-guard. It's from a lesser known masterpiece anime called Fantastic Children. Class.
man the 4k CRT filters really got me thinking! Thanks Bob and Mike
I've missed videos like this Bob; thank you so much!
I am overwhelmingly happy to hear that Mike had the RT4K tested with arcade boards! This makes me so excited. IM JACKED GUYS JACKED TO THE...
Yes, happy to see these get developed and tested with arcade boards! I would like to see it in action with one! If we can save arcades and get an authentic look from flats it will be worth it.
I have to watch this in small chunks. If I watch the whole thing I'll buy one. I don't need one! But man is it cool!
@@HeroicRecaps tinks
Nice, i want to make arcades so ill get this if it helps
Well?! Don’t keep us in suspense! Jacked to the WHAT?
Great comprehensive video, as someone that isn’t into retro gaming I love watching your videos and keeping up to date with new hardware.
Thanks Bob. Very helpful (as always). Looking forward to this other than the UK price hit!
I can't wait to see more coverage about PS3/Xbox360 and previous 3D consoles.
They're getting to be that age. Best to pickup any games you want now, IMO.
I wonder if the PS TV will wind up a cult classic or not.
Thanks Bob. I love the enthusiasm for what appears to be another great project from the great man. Whilst I could never afford to have such an amazing piece of kit, it's great to hear about the product and to see what it can do. Many thanks :)
Over the moon with the work put into the RT4K. Incredible work Mike, Bob, and those who contributed. What a monster of a machine
Great introduction and looking forward to supporting Mike again! I thought I’d be ok sticking with the RT5X but all these info dumps and actual examples have me sold on the RT4K.
Thank you for this! I've always *wanted* to like CRT filters, and this may get me there.
I'm excited for this on so many levels. Not just video game stuff, but I work with a tonne of digital preservation and AV preservation groups who will go nuts for this.
Great video - thanks for chatting me up at rwx.
I got a 2x and a 5x that I use for my retro gaming tournaments and home use. I can’t wait to add this to my collection.
Was awesome meeting you. And thanks!
Holy moly. First time I see one of your videos and your content is so well put together, very professional, well explained. 10/10.
Subscribed!
Thank you! The weekly podcasts are all very laid back, podcast-style videos...but I try really hard to make the reviews as polished as this one.
We are at an incredible time with so much choice and quality!
I really wish I could afford it. It’ll take my retro content to the next level
they said save 1000 dollars but know that it will be less. my guess is like 600
Idk what your budget is, but I’m sure eBay will be full of RT5Xs when this comes out. My guess is they’ll go for between $200-225 since it’s $325 for a new one
@@hhectorlector i actually have a Retrotink 5X already but I really want the 4K version
The hard part for me is I'd have to buy a new TV or monitor to utilize it fully, and that would cost more than the unit itself :p
Why would you get this when you already have a 5x? The difference is negligible @@HindsightWithHustle
MY BODY IS READY!
My wallet isn’t!
I need more boolet sir
This is amazing work by Mike Chi! Can't wait to get it!
So pumped for the amount of inputs that the 4K accepts! Even things like hdmi in that I didn’t even know I wanted until it was shown!
Thanks for such a detailed breakdown!
If nothing else, HDMI input could be nice for the PS3, later 360 models, and the PS TV.
@@SnakebitSTI i think the best console for the hdmi input just might be the wii u since a softmodded wii u can play wii u, wii, and gamecube games
@@SnakebitSTI oh yeah I’ve been playing a lot of ps3 360 recently and hadn’t even considered how good those could look properly scaled to 4K!!
I’d love to get ahold of this. My 5x has been great but having everything go directly to 4k just makes this the final solution.
wow, vid looks so vibrant !
Congrats , Bob !
Incredible! Thanks for the video, Bob! And bless Mike for this incredible machine! We are truly living in the future 😎
No, you're not living in the future you're living in the past and paying a premium to do so.
I've had my eyes on the 5X for a while, but hearing about the 4K option changes the game for me. I still play on my WiiU and PS3 often enough to keep them plugged in, so having a scaler with HDMI input as well is awesome! Really looking forward to a full release.
The Game Sack clip you used killed me. Love Joe's sense of humor! Thanks for this great overview... you're right -- I don't need it, but I want it. 😅
RT4K is my Christmas gift to myself. 1 for my bedroom MiSTer and 1 for my retro gaming room setup. And maybe 1 more for the theater room if the film projector BFI simulation is as good as it sounds.
YEAH, I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!
God I can't wait for this to come out. Definitely getting myself this as a Christmas gift.
Congrats to Mike for another spectacular offering that sets the bar yet again !
BFI is incredibly interesting. BlurBusters are doing God’s work ! Thanks to Mike & Mark.
Question:
When in FrameLock mode, on 480p HDMI input …. What is the lowest input lag possible, to the hundredth of a millisecond, when minimal anti-aliasing/jaggie-smoothing algorithms are enabled, during the trip upward from 480p/60 up to 4k/60 ?
Thanks for showing the Mister's direct video! I didn't even know that was a thing I until I rewatched the video!
Shame that not all cores work with it. I didn't expect Amiga games to work due to PAL signals, but the Mega Drive family of consoles not working with Direct Video was an unpleasant surprise.
The Mega Drive's all work with the RT4K and Direct Video - It's how I play them :) If you're using a RT4K, just make sure you're on the latest firmware.
I cannot wait to get my hands on one!
Thanks Bob! Have fun at RWX!
I just got the 5x pro a few weeks ago to upgrade my 2x I had and was really impressed with the improvement in quality and functionality. Mike Chi makes some awesome devices! I was a little bummed out that my OLED doesn't support the 1440p output mode though, but the 1080p is still awesome. I love the scanlines and CRT filters in the 5x and can't wait to see what the 4k can do.
Which OLED do you have?
@@andrewskaterrr I have an LG OLED I got around 2018, the 55 C7P
@@RandomGreenFishPhoneSame 😎
@@RandomGreenFishPhoneuse a 2K EDID
Take my money !!!. Can't wait. Fantastic video. Thanks.
Oh boy its been a long wait for the Tink 4k but well worth it
this is really interesting and it looks like a fantastic product
I had to shamelessly get subscribed to your channel - this presentation took out that geeky old me from wherever he was hiding in there😂
Whoever your name is, congratulations for your enthusiasm and commitment to those things that you love.
I don't like CRT emulation, though. Nothing like the real thing...
Great vid Bob!
I'm glad people can now experience retro games closer to what they are designed to look like. For a long time people said it wasn't possible, its been almost 20 years since lcd's got popular so its surprising it took this long. I remember when people said 3 frames of lag wasn't a big deal.
LCDs still won't be able to recreate the CRT experience well even with the RT4K. You'll need an OLED for that.
Thats why i play 16bit and older predominantly on my phone vs my rig etc, snes and genesis are my favorite retro era that i grew up with. Cant stand the lag on games like mario, Fzero and star fox.
I dislike the "designed to look like" thing. Because it's up for debate whether those games were meant to look crystal clear, as all the testing would have been done on a CRT.
@@awii.neocitiesDevelopers 100% designed the games around what they look like on a consumer crt. I don’t really understand the argument that they weren’t
@@Mishkobt I assume the argument is that the developers may have had access to LCD screens when creating their game, but I still don't understand either.
Wow very informative video. I learn a lot
Incredible, I can’t wait!
This is definitely the best way to play X360/PS3, or really anything with 720/1080p on a modern 4k TV. I hope Mike keeps these in production for awhile because I'll probably get one but not for another year
Great video!
Excellent video. John's tweets had already got my interest, but I think this video just guaranteed Mike an extra sale
This is real exciting stuff.
Mike Chi you are the man!
13:11 this right here. Insane. It makes the CG mario kary renders look like theyre a generation ahead. Might have to get this after all
That intro for your brand was great!
Thank you!
Great video, love the shared efforts here with the other channels too. Real community.
so stoked
I’m ready for it Bob! Can’t wait to give Mike my money. Please Mike take my money!
Now this is gunna be fun!
The fact that he hasn’t broken 100k subs is a crime. Jesus. Amazing work.
I've set up all my old consoles years ago for RGB SCART and a CRT and right now it's my preferred way of playing older consoles. I use an OSSC as well and while it gets the job done It's not perfect. Being able to scale just about anything up to 4K lwith minimal lag and without artifacts or bad filters is really amazing, this will even be great for 720p PS3/360 era games. Never been a fan of "fake" scanlines but this looks really impressive. It only needs to be more affordable but I'm sure that will happen some day.
Maybe one day, but the FPGA that powers this thing is several hundred dollars by itself so I wouldn't count on it getting much cheaper for a long time
I can't wait to get my hands on that HDMI input.
The BFI and pull-down is great, I imagine high end home cinema to adopt the 4k
I work with Radio Frequency Coax a lot for the purpose of editing, Is there a way to plug the 8 pronged RF cable of death into this? I want my NES grey box to look EXTRA crispy. (not a joke, I like the look)
There's a bunch of boxes that convert RF to Composite, ranging from a VCR to boxes from Extron and Sony. I actually planned on showing that in this video, just for fun, but ran out of time.
Damn this is the be all end all device, can’t wait!
Loving this
Thanks for the great overview. I don't really use a 4k tv aside from streaming. My projector is 1080p and most of my retro gaming happens on my 720p plasma 😅
The per core settings for Mister would be awesome. If the Tink 4k doesn't have network access, it could be possible if it has some kind of command line interface via USB. Someone could theoretically create a tiny web service that can control the tink (maybe pico w?), so the Mister could announce what it's launching (either a web request to the tink or a broker in the middle) and launch the correct profile.
From an implementation standpoint, I imagine it would be easier to code MISTer cores to display a test pattern at startup for the scaler to lock on to.
Great video, one thing that i always though when i saw mike and others creating those upscalers, is that if would be possible to implement or create a box to implement FSR on the image to be used in 7th gen consoles, I think if it is possible would be incredible, but i understand that this is kind of not the scoped of these projects (that is why I made the sugestion of other device...).
I am so happy to see this device and really can't wait for the full release to see final price and what it can be pushed to do. Have to ask though, what is the chance a v2 will be released with HDMI 2.1 at some point in future? yes it will be more money, but if we are already putting our hand in our pocket to pay close to $1000, not many of us will complain about an extra $50/$100/$150 to have the latest HDMI standard and potentially have more 4k modes opened up as well.
I asked Mike the same question. It would raise the price so high, that it's not even worth it. So my guess is it'll be *years* before we see one that can go as high as 8K60 / 4K120.
verry cool video, would love to see an AA thing added to the tink4k.
This looks like it will be a great product for sure if you have deep enough pockets to afford it. I currently have an XRGB Framemeister Mini which my PS2 is hooked up through but the 4k upscaling on this looks like it will be a game changer.
I've been looking at upgrading my Framemeister for a while now and this looks like the best bet!
Out of curiosity, would you happen to know if this plays well with the Elgato 4K60S+ for capturing footage? One of the big reasons why I want to upgrade scalers (beyond image quality) is that when I'm running the Framemesiter through that specific Elgato card, the audio de-synchronizes really badly. I'm hoping the RetroTink4K doesn't have that same issue because Elgato never addressed the issue despite me going back and forth with their team about that for over a year.😂
man your intro is so awesome!
Thanks so much! That's a song I wrote for a previous band - I had it turned into chiptunes, then my friend Kenji made that video for me.
You've been waiting a while to hold that device up with pride!
Wow, we've come a long way since playing ROMs using SNES9x on a 1st gen LCD monitor... back then the 'best' I recall being the interpolation filter.
Fuck Bob, awesome vídeo as always.
Like you said, this thing is so awesome thats you want to have one of these.
Thank you for your time on this video 👍
Very cool, and I do in fact love the CRT filters.
Though, retrotink always makes me wish a box like this existed for the opposite (digital-to-analogue) so I could use hdmi/dp on my CRT TV's easily.
You can downscale for use with a CRT with this too :) Same with the RT5x and the GBS-Control
Dumb question, how would an mclassic or mcables work with the retrotink 4K?
console(ps3, 360, Wii U, etc)->mclassic->rt4k hdmi input ?
Question, do we know the the total latency in tate mode? Im guessing its about 1 frame? Curious cause i’m planning to run my PGM through it for some Cave games on my LED. Cant wait!
THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION:
Is it possible to have 4k output resolution... while at the same time, have enough horizontal smearing to blend retro dither patterns? The tink 5x only gives you enough horizontal smearing to actually blend those patterns, at 720p output.
Great video thank you :)
Mike Chi is a credit the retro community, what an amazing asset. I hope this thing kills it. I know I'm buying one. That CRT emulation blows me away.
I will be getting this to play my Dreamcast and GameCube games on my 77C1
love everything about this. just my 2 cents here. I used to play OG xbox games and alot of them were 30p back in the day. (eg halo1) but with my new xbox all these "remastered" games are 60p and just don't "feel" the same. Do ya think the RetroTINK 4k could add a frame rate decimator to convert my new xbox back to 30p?
It seems to me that when you get an LCD with 8k resolution, the emulated phosophor stripes will be the same size as the stripes on the macro of the D32 mask.
This product looks so cool. Is it possible that automatic optimizations could be implemented like what we have with the Retro Scaler A1?
I’m excited for this
Started with the OSSC, now I have much more disposable income, I am definitely buying this!
I gotta say: RetroRgb looks like the kind of professor I'd love to take classes in
I hope he doesn't make me do a test though because i will fail hard. I hardly understood half of the things he was going on about here.
I hope the RetroTink 5x Pro will be on sale when the RetroTink 4K appears 🙏
Very much looking forward to this scaler’s release. Based on the value of Mike’s other products-I believe him when he says he thinks we’ll be “pleasantly surprised” by the price
You got a new sub, thanks bro ❤️ Stay digital
Hell yeah, love my 5x pro but I need this.
Cant wait to record some direct capture Arcade games in 4k
One feature I would have liked to have seen was the addition of a network port or WiFi to be able to control this from something like an Extron IPCP or a Raspberry Pi running BridgeCMDR or Home Assistant/Whatever solution you like. Can probably get a lot of functionality working via an IR blaster but some kind of networked based command and control setup would have been amazing. As someone who has multiple switches (one component/composite and two HDMI switches) I currently have to keep a cheat sheet for what the magic combination is to get each system running and then have to load the correct profile on my RT5X. Be nice if I could just fire off an automation on my phone or a tablet and have all the right inputs selected and the correct profile loaded on the RT.
Will it simulate also barrel screen, round tube corners?
Could this help me do a better than average job of digitizing VHS tapes? Also I only have a Mac.
I might have a VCR that has S-video out… that seems to be about as good as VCRs get. But then what? Is there a USB out on this device? More likely I’d have to run this through some kind of external capture card device… maybe I should just get one of those, but most don’t have older inputs like s-video, or if they do, they’re some cheapo card made for VHS transfer, but since no one takes that seriously… the quality is questionable. Idk, just want a good solution, plus maybe after I can take my Switch games and play them on a 4K TV without them looking like butt… in 2017 I bought a 1080p TV just for Switch, even though 4K was already cheap by then. Still haven’t upgraded to 4K, but I’ll have to eventually…
I wonder if RetroTink will ever make a standalone external BFI/strobing box, as this is the only feature I am interested in, I use my CRTs for retro games, I also use my 21" CRT monitors for modern gaming, but I'd love to have the option to use an 32" 240hz RGB-OLED monitor when one finally comes out for modern gaming, especially the upcoming dual-stack RGB-OLED displays, can you imagine really good quality 240hz BFI combines with a 4K dual-stack RGB-OLED, that just might give the FW900 a run for its money. Though ultimately I'd like to see something like a 1000hz subfield drive used with dual-stack RGB-OLED, the same tech that gave Plasma perfect 60hz CRT grade motion clarity, I wonder if Plasma's subfield drive can be simulated like CRTs rolling-scan drive can, or Panasonic's focussed field drive that ran @ 2500hz, they even had a 1600hz version of it for LCD's, so imagine how good OLED could be with it, OLED should NEVER have been sample and hold driven in the first place, that's an interesting thought though, I see BFI as just a bandaid to a really big problem, OLED needs a permanent motion clarity solution to do that instant pixel response justice.
love it! gonna have to start saving up now tho. should i still keep my 5x ?
So can you connect a 4k blu ray player to the Tink4k then to an OLED tv and get judder and stutter free picture with the bfi120 option discussed in this video? And would it be better than using the bfi option (“OLED motion”) already in the TVs menu?
Close - You can connect a 1080p Blu Ray player, set it to 1080p24 and output 1080p120 for a clear picture with BFI...or 1080p96 for a "projector simulate" BFI mode. Each TV's BFI will be different, so the RT4K's might be better, worse, or the same.
Who needs atmos when you have roland mt-32 😂 - just like always the awesomest review, as always!
And here I am still using my Framemeister. I might finally have a meaningful upgrade to look forward to.
Can I use FBX profiles with my PAL SNES and SDSNES cart?
The only question I have (I think the answer is yes though). Can the retrotink 4k do line doubling and tripping for an output to a PC CRT monitor like the ossc? I know this overkill for that use case but I also use it with 4k monitors as well and if it supports my dual use case then it would be perfect (if a little overkill for my needs).
Yes. And you’re right - I’d never recommend the RT4K just for use on a PC CRT monitor…but if you’re using it in multiple displays, then yes, it’ll work there too.
Finally VGA support.
The stock 720 x 480P on Dreamcast looks sharper and better than composite/SVideo with the RetroTink 5X even on my 4K Samsung TV since SVideo and composite don't make use of the VGA resolution and it's a noticeable difference.
(This is for PAL Dreamcast, NTSC uses 640 x 480P, not 720 x 480P)