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I got a snippet of how the devs justify the standard on modding and "cheats": "We do not consider [advantageous mods] cheats, and this is why: Most of these mods are used in conjunction with other mods, like lowering the cost of resupply but increasing the enemy cap. The intent is usually not to make the game easier but to provide options for a different experience. Making the game moderately easier is a very inefficient way to boost your progression; you still have to go through the mission loop. Improving your win percentage is not comparable to spawning millions of gold in a mission. Some of these mods improve accessibility, such as increasing visibility. And yes, you could technically get an advantage with these mods. But the same reasoning applies. It is not a very efficient way of boosting your progression. If you use these mods to get an advantage in missions, you are more likely to be bored as you make the game easier than intended. We have spent a lot of time tweaking the game to be as engaging as possible." Edit: of course this doesn't excuse all of them, but gives insight in their reasoning on this topic.
Not only does this explain the Dev's thought process? It's important for people to understand that Cheating progression in DRG is very simple to do without resorting to mods, and it's not as if someone can stop a Cheater from joining a Vanilla game and spamming rapid fire nukes to down the whole team. We consider these bad faith actors a negligible part of the discussion to whether anti-cheat is necessary (not that it's likely or possible to implement anyway), and Mods fit within the same scope in regards to bad faith actors also being a negligible part of the discussion IMO.
Who even cares if some dude is out there giving himself legendary 3 on all his dwarves or making easy missions? Just shoot the bugs, if there aren't enough bugs for you then find a server with more bugs, so what he's ruining the game for himself just move on. Idk why people care so much about it. Can someone explain why I should be worried about stopping some schmuck from cheating progression in a co-op game?
@@electricheisenberg5723 Fair, but those people have three options available to them currently: 1. Don't join approved-modded lobbies (or lobbies which are using mods you find objectionable; it lists them, after all) 2. Leave the server if you see its using cheats in some way 3. Backup your saves periodically, and restore them if you end up failing to do either of the prior (maybe the cheat only occurs at mission end, I dunno) Given these are all available, I thinks its just not reasonable or fair to disallow mods for the many who want them, even if they blatantly bypass progression (such as the Swarm Control mod). Especially since, at the end of the day, the progression icon is just that; an icon. I've seen plats play awfully, and coppers play like gods, and as long as everyone's having fun who cares? That being said, I think the category definitions need to be made much more explicit and concrete (specifically where XP falls in the categorization, and what qualifies as accessibility) Edit: quick clarification on point 1
The brighter objects mod being verified is almost certainly an accessibility thing. I think an ore mod that changed the color of the ore instead of making them glow would also get verified, even if the colors were ludicrously bright or reflective. Honestly I agree with the devs on that one. Those ores aren't supposed to be visible in pitch-black without flares
I think the funny part about the mods that make it easier to see things, is that someone like me with a really high color depth screen while running on ultra I can NATIVELY see most things in the dark without scout flares. If anything those mods just equalize things since most people don't have insanely high color depth screens and many also can't run the game at max settings.
I use the Brighter Objects mod because my vision is bad enough I actually need it to complete most secondary objectives, even when playing as a scout spamming my flares. The base game just doesn't have enough "pop" for a lot of the items to match my vision.
I've had way too many Booloo Caps, Blooms, and Fossils spawn in a way that they are almost entirely within a wall. The slight glow from the mod helps with that.
@@TeddyBearAssassin or on elim missions they spawn in the blue fleshy growths around dreadnaughts and can't hardly be seen (if at all). Same thing can happen for egg missions sometimes
Ok, but WHO THE FUCK aside YT/Twotch CCs, Rich Dum Dums or People who HAVE WORK THAT SPECIFICALLY NEED Hardware that Runs ANY GAME on Ultra will have a PC specc'ed for it in Numbers higher than the contrary? This is basically not letting Man eat Steak because Baby can't chew it. The biggest drive in Moddable Games with Online features (Specially the PvE genre) is HOW MANY Players are affected in one way compared to the Opposite way (Positive vs Negative). Currently DRG mods are on the better side of this
@@andrehashimoto8056 I have one, its not cheap now expensive.. You just have to build one yourself but still the fact that you can "slightly" see it by how the lighting engine works do be kinda dookie for non ultra runners
@@Jakoni7 Obviously nobody gets a beast pc JUST to see the fucking minerals glow slightly. But yes, most people DO have that kind of money to spend and a decent amount of people do spend that money on higher-end hardware.
Which settings affect the lightning?? This isn't fair, I have to run this game on Medium and still have FPS drops, while someone who runs this game on Ultra, have a advantage on visibility? Now I see a reason to use Brighter Objects
The criteria is only used when mods are automatically tagged by the mod site bot, once a human (dev) look at them, they can alter the category of said mods as they see fit. I guarantee you that Haz 6/Starship Trooper mods were sandbox when first released, because they altered the payout/mission strectures...etc BUT once a dev actually tried the mods and actually looked at what they do, they decided the category to which they're best fit (approved).
I'm perfectly okay with people using stuff like the glowing minerals, because I could see those being a great accessibility option for, say, colour blind players or players with bad eyesight.
As a miopic colourblind person, I relate to this. I find playing without a scout near impossible and frankly just frustrating because I can't see sh*t. I don't mind not seeing the bugs, but having to squint desperately just to see that last ebonut is not a good experience.
The brigter objects mod positions itself as accessibility mod. So if anything, it should make odjects and ores glow when there is a flare nearby, sopeople with wision problems can still notice them, yet other players can't abuse it to see everything across the map
My take is that at the end of the day it's a PvE game and as long as you're not ruining other people's experience you're good to play the game the way you wanna play it. I can agree that mod classifications are a bit weird and I don't agree with the placement of some mods in verified vs approved vs sandbox. By 'abusing' the mods mentioned all that people are gaining are meaningless numbers in credits and levels - I know that some people use these as signs of pride but that's about all they are for as promotions don't mean much after your first on each class. If people want to cheat, they're gonna cheat - simple as that. Limiting the official means of doing so through modding isn't gonna stop those people. We already have a problem where a majority of players will not even look at a modded server. You're lucky to find another person to join your approved lobby and sandbox lobbies are even more of a barren wasteland. I don't think simplifying things into two categories will help much either (assuming the proposed gameplay categorized mods work similarly to how sandbox functions now) as you'd splinter off all the modded folks into their own bubble. For example, I will play mostly Custom Difficulty/Twitch Integration lobbies nowadays, and if I had to use a whole different save just for playing these, I probably wouldn't go back to the non-gameplay realm to play with all the normies. But what do I know? I just stick funny googly eyes on bugs and try to stay in my own lane of not modifying the actual gameplay mechanics.
One big problem the modding update has introduced is the complete lack of differentiation between host and client side mods. Every time someone joins a modded server, they have to wait till _all_ of the hosts mods are downloaded, regardless of if that's necessary. It also disables all client side mods of the joining player, regardless of category. As an example: If I wanted to play with flashlightX3 before the mod update, I could just do that. Now I not only have to find a modded server, but a modded server that is specifically running flashlightX3 and not running any of the mods I might not want to play with. In most cases, the amount of Servers that fit that criteria is zero (without even factoring specific missions and assignments), and if I host myself 99% of the time no one will join.
@@It-b-Blair "Dramatically" is a bit of an overstatement. It's more of an accessibility tweak. Nonetheless, my point stands. It's impossible to play with the mod, now. You either join other people that have it, and have to load tons of mods that you don't want, or you host yourself and no one joins.
Indeed. It is a reasonable amount of xp bonus for you effort, now if you say is something like 1500% then of course it should be a Sandbox but that isn't the case so it remains in line with progression.
I think as long as user files and backup files are stored locally, this is a moot issue. It may be annoying to restore a file and lose a mission worth of progress, however it would be better than banning some mods outright just due to bad actors, potential or otherwise. Personally, to me verified, approved and sandbox mods shouldn't be a checkbox, rather they should be on a sliding scale, because that's the way they behave. Whether to use a mod, is upto the player. :)
From what i understand, for a mod to get to approved, it needs to be well, approved by a dev or admin or something. Id say if the mod affects mission payouts and is in approved someone at ghostship looked at it, and thinks the payouts are equal to the effort, therefore falling under drg progression.
This might be a hot take, idk. Anyway, fundamentally, "cheating" requires that someone be cheated. A victimless act is not cheating. At the end of the day, *a lot* of this so-called (potential) "cheating" basically boils down to, "That guy over there is making his meaningless number go up faster than my meaningless number". So what? It's a meaningless number. In cases like that, this is purely an emotional issue, not a practical one. You (whoever) "feel" rank, XP, etc. actually means something, therefore, [...]. Practical issues would be ones that change how the game works for other people without their consent. I wouldn't even consider it cheating if there was an "instantly unlock all OCs/gear/cosmetics/etc." button so long as it has no impact on anyone else's game and how they want to play. I see no reason why the guy that enjoys the grind and the guy that despises the grind can't both play the way they each want to play while also having the ability to play with each other if they want to. So long as the button is equally available to everyone, I don't see the issue. Personally, I don't even use approved mods (at least on my main save), and still I don't see policing others who are minding their own business as a battle worth fighting. I say let people play the way they want to play and get over yourself (again, whoever) if "B-but the value of my meaningless-in-the-first-place rank is now diluted!" is your approach to the topic. As for GSG's criteria on what's "approved", etc. yeah it's weird, but I think I'd sooner see "sandbox" mods just be "approved" than vice versa, and just define it as "these are mods that change how the game works for other players too."
I suffer from night blindness, so IRL it can be extremely difficult to drive at night or go most places that are not lit brightly enough or have some sort of flashlight. When I started playing DRG, I literally couldn’t see outside of my flashlight with no flares and with flares it was much better but still hard to see at times (even with gamma all the way up). Brighter objects is verified helps with this so much. The main reason why it’s in verified is bc it just increases the brightness for objects already with illumination. Sure, it makes it easier for some to see objects, but for accessibility reasons (and recolors for that matter), it should stay verified. That being said, it is frustrating that nitra and gold brighter objects mod is approved, not verified. Especially since it already shimmers a bit on ultra settings, but for lower-end pcs ultra is hard to consistently run, especially during swarms. I hope they do fix that, and I would love ghost ship to just makes everything brighter for accessibility reasons
i object to the point about swarm control not being finishable: with current swarm control you could either: make missions easy, which doesn't really increase xp / materials that much make missions easy for recording make a bunch of praetorians spawn because you find fighting them fun make missions harder because you're bored and want a challenge with your version you could: make missions easy for recording not make missions easy, SLIGHTLY lowering the speed players progress for the timespan it takes to download wemod (and this is actually one of the objections to the war on drugs, if you outlaw heroin, people start buying fentanyl) make enemies harder but you can't finish the mission so you can't actually progress make enemies more fun but you can't finish so you can't progress
The first two mods are likely not sandbox because they dont technically provide extra changes to rewards in actuality. The payout increase isnt obscene, and it is relatively in line with the increase in difficulty, so you arent technically getting anything more for the time, effort and skill required outside what the game normally gives. Hazard 1 giving hazard 5 payouts would be changing progression. Hazard 6 giving payouts in line with the relative growth in difficulty doesnt change progression, in effect.
The main mod I use, which is like the only mod I use, makes it so I can see the team's mined/collected resources as a whole including those not deposited. I feel that this is not cheating as it can be done by asking in chat what everyone has, it just saves time. It also shows how many resupply pods we can call, how much more nitra we need for the next one, how many more of the secondary we need, etc.
Any rework to modding categories that limits abuse would also limit the engaging, difficulty increasing, and overhaul mods. DRG's modding system is the best I've ever seen in a game like this. It lets you tailor the game to how you like it without relegating you to sandbox. Something like starship troopers elite and hazard 6 are the only cases that shouldn't fit into approved, because as you said they alter the payout. Any other restrictions will ruin it. I agree with some of the other comments here. This is very petty and misses the point of the mods. Its not wrong to make the game easier. Theres no moral failing of brighter objects. This is basically difficullty level gatekeeping. I understand the instinct, but its wrong. If you don't like people using brighter objects to make the game easier, stop using it. That's it. It's client side so automatically and objectively meets the requirements for approved, as it should. You also don't seem to understand the categories. To simplify them, Verified is client side. Doesn't matter what it does, if it works on your game while other people in the lobby don't have it installed, its verified. Approved is almost anything that doesn't directly modify the end mission payout or unlock things. Makes the game way easier? Still approved. Makes the game way harder? Still approved. As you've said, there are a few specific examples of mods that violate those categories, and those are the only problem, and even they're not really a problem unless those violations of categories became more widespread, but as they haven't yet, they aren't an issue.
As long as DRG has all data stored locally, all gameplay is peer to peer, and has literally no anti-cheat the only thing modding really needs to ensure is that verified mods have no issues with players playing with unmodded versions of the game, to ensure no desyncing or other issues crop up. Since if people wanted to alter the game, they can already do it and have zero resistance. If someone wanted to actually cheat they wouldn't use a mod to make no enemies spawn so they can run missions back to back quickly. They would just use a save editor or a cheat table to modify their stats, inventory, and save. They can set their level to 1k, have all the overclocks, all cosmetics, and have 9.9 million of each resources.
I use mostly purely cosmetic mods but there are some QOL ones like outline for platform placement and Brighter objects (because fr this brighter object mod does save quite the valuable time thr fact that it is not count towards modded games is just amazing)
I understand where you're coming from on most of these, but for me - a casual player who will probably rarely play Haz 4, let alone 5 and up - the game I want to play is more chill than your vision. Making minerals glow more in an environment that already glows on a lot of maps, just makes the game even playable for me. Without it I'd struggle to even play the game. Now whether it should be Approved instead, idk. I'm not against that if it doesn't inhibit me from lobbies. I do think on Haz 1 and 2 Friendly Fire should be much further reduced, though...
Given how its a co-op game I see the option to fast track as something much more okay than competitive games its up to an individual player's sense of integrity or what they choose to consider cheating yeah ghost ship isnt really staying within the letter of their terms but I feel that if it was a strict no rewards then it would be harder for players to be motivated to try harder missions, and that this would be worse than allowing some people who dont care about the feeling of progression to cheapen it for themselves. The grind in deep rock isn't necessarily long either besides overclocks, so there isnt much they're bypassing by completing missions faster without effort
I feel like it's important to note how little people care when it comes to cheating in something like a single-player Minecraft world where mods have practically the same impact on others as they do in DRG. But I can agree their current policy with mod approval is inconsistent and warrants a rework. I'd agree with just having "modded" and "unmodded" players where the only things you can't mod are cosmetics, promotions and player rank.
I do prefer the current system over your suggestion because it means that I can install silly little cosmetic tweaks to personalize my game, and not completely miss out on playing with 90% of the already fairly small playerbase.
I feel like a lot of "straight upgrade" mods can be considered quality of life. I used to use the better Bosco mod because I was tired of his shit mining speed, and I just wanted him to be able to do stuff solo. I never ever play gameplay altering mods with friends, only solo.
still a straight upgrade from the normal game, a quality of life mod is for example the heat crossair, it makes so you can se in your crossair the heat of your weapons, better bosco is a stronger version of bosco, its in the name of the mod
I agree to a point, and I'd agree much more if this were competitive PVP. But one of the aspects of this game that makes it so popular is specifically the ability to mod it, whether that's to make it look a little different, or to make it variously harder, or to make it more accessible for a wider variety of player types, or simply to make it more viable for solo players to get through higher hazard levels without being a gaming guru. As others have noted, the brighter objects mod can be great for accessibility; some of those objects are far more reflective already at higher graphics settings; and even something as simple as adjusting gamma, contrast, or brightness can make those same objects more visible at the cost of a sense of atmosphere. Spawning buckets of gold is obviously out of bounds for anything but sandbox, but everything else is, in this context and for me, up to the players.
a bit surprised you didn't mention the googly eyes for glyphids mod. what's just supposed to be a funny meme mod to make the game more lighthearted gives you a pretty considerable advantage, in that the eyes glow and you can see swarms on the other side of the room in the pitch black that you have no business seeing otherwise. i imagine it isn't actually intentional and just a holdover from when the eyes where only used for the breathers, but it is a bit weird it hasn't been addressed yet.
Hey, creator of the Googly Eyes mod here. The eyes glowing in the dark was intentional as I thought it looked funnier this way, but many people complained. So now this problem HAS been addressed. If you look at the mod page, it now has support for Mod Hub and the googly eyes can be made to now glow in the dark through the mod's Mod Hub settings page (and I believe I set it so they don't glow in the dark for new users of the mod). At the end of the day, this is just a funny mod and if the eyes glowing in the dark is that game changing for you, you should find yourself a Scout that knows how to use the flare gun.
@@HandDrawnNerd good to know, thanks. admittedly i did have the mod disabled for a while and didn't think to check if it HAD been addressed already, so that one's on me. like the vid, this wasn't intended as a pot shot at you, you do good work. i just imagined it probably looked a bit odd to my teammates as a gunner to be shooting into random dark spots in the cave. i'll reenable it next time i play cuz i did genuinely enjoy having muppet glyphids.
You have made a big mistake in this video: You are not the one to approve those mods, the devs are fine with them, that's literally the only thing that counts. When it comes to balance and modding, it's the devs opinion that matters, the devs could have made it so that no mod that changes anything other than cosmetics is allowed, yet they chose differently. If a mod "breaks" balance and is in the "wrong" category acording to you, then we already have a problem, it's not your vision, it's the devs vision that is important.
I always made the assumption that Brighter Objects use was for the benefit of viewers when used by content creators, and for normal players to compensate for eyesight deficiencies (just ask my friends to find Fossils in Azure Weald for example).
the thing is taht there's no competition in DRG ( at least none that I know of ) so giving yourself an advantage is definitely cheating but it doesn't really matter ( at least to me )
Funny story, I was playing a game and had only one mod on. And it was a mission control replacer. And for some reason at the end of the mission a dwarf berated me for modding the game and that I shouldn't have warmed him first. (He thought there was less nitra needed for drops or something. Though we got like 360 nitra it something. So idk)
People need to care a whole lot less about what others do in a non-competitive game where the main objective is fun. If anything the argument should be that things should be less restrictive. For instance there's really no good reason for approved mods to disable achievements because if people want to cheat in order to get them they can do so without even playing the game. This is all just sad.
Is the XP bonus from STE a bonus to all of the rewards? Or specifically XP? If you don’t get any extra crafting minerals from it, then I can see why it’s approved rather than Sandbox.
Why would you assume he didn't want to test things on a huuli hoarder? I don't doubt that people would use it in that way to get resources but it seems like you're making a huge assumption based on very little information because of your own preconceived notion of the general playerbase. All this being said the only mods I use because I don't like getting advantages in gameplay are purely cosmetic changes that don't effect missions such as all the cleaning/particle effect remover you use. The only thing I can think of that tweaks gameplay in some fashion would be smoke flares.
"No hard achievements". Achievement " If only I got paid for this" (3000 points at barrel hoop game) completed only 1,7% and it's less than earn first gold promotion 2,3%
I suppose so, but you can just have someone else do it for you anyways. That and it only takes a few minutes once you get in a grove. The reason the % is so low is just due to the nature of how steam achievements work with free weekends. A random player could download the game and beat 1 mission, now they make all the other achievements more rare by not continuing to play.
Very good points, but after playing Vermintide2 religiously for 700 hrs, the absurdly slow approval process of mods is also very frustrating. Mods that were approved eventually become incompatible with updates, must be tweaked, and reapproved. Im not sure which is worse.
Tbh that method is shit and having a dedicated team that MUST keep shit going in regards to approve a mod or not is just trying to Pull a Bugthesda, more cost for no profit at all. Letting mods be listed, but then later reassigned to a proper classification by a dev/Moderator is the better choice. If people REALLY WANT to complain that much, just have ANY MODS not checked and then assigned a position (Approved, Progression allowed or Sandbox) to be marked as "Unchecked" or "Waiting Classification" so players know they are using a mod that COULD VERY WELL Nuke their progression as soon the mod gets checked and then thrown into Sandbox. That's all.
Hey Axis, can you make a video on your favorite tricks on the game? For Example you've already made a video on fast depositing, but maybe that's not your favorite trick you found. Love learning from you, Cheers
I don't understand the issue with mods that are that you turn the game into a sandbox being put in the "sandbox" category. is there some issue with mods having the sandbox label?
As a newcomer to DRG that has played many other multiplayer games, I was astonished at how mods are handled. I would have 100% expected the categories to be "UI mods" and "modded." Only UI mods would be permissible in vanilla games, and all other mods make the game non-vanilla progression.
about getting higher rewards, tho i don't disagree with u, cant u just get a mod and give urself lvl 3000 in one click? if ur goal is to cheat and get a higher level then u would normally, i would assume someone would use that to get lvl 3000 instantly and not run 1000 haz 7 with 95% less enemies missions
I use the damage number mod, not necessarily the make the game easier (it does), but because it makes the game look better to me. To see your damage appear like it would in, say, Borderlands. I feel like it should be in the base game, but part of me knows it gives me an unfair advantage. I can see the damage numbers when my allies are fighting, for instance, through walls. I can tell when I'm dealing damage and whether I hit a weak point. I just don't think it's very extreme. Like stealing grapes at the grocery store. I got kicked from a group when I even mentioned audio mods. Mods I mainly use for funny reasons. Is it that big of a deal?
Thing is, its npt a competitive game, if someone shows up and gives the team 88k gold then that's just a mild inconvenience for me to rollback, if someone wants to turn the game into the easiest thing possible, good for them, they make the game more boring for themselves.
"Minor" The tweaks one is nearly double everything, except the negative stuff which is halved near everything. Mineral from +5 to +30, flashlight range over 5x the normal amount!? Oh and let's not forget sheild and HP and friendly fire being ZERO. These are very significant changes, not minor at all.
I am guilty of using "Brighter Objects". I basically see it an an accessibility option that could (and imo should) have been implemented in the game. Due to an eye condition I have I basically cannot play the game without it, except if I am Scout (which is why I only experienced playing Scout for my first 400 hours in the game).
i don't think modded game matchmaking issues necessarily stem from stigma, i think a lot of people (even very high level accounts) don't play modded because they just don't want to, because it's too difficult or stressful or the ways in which mods change the game aren't appealing to those people
If you’ve made it to the point where u start different difficulty mods to make it harder u basically completed the game anyways so i think its all good to give more xp for your missions, different story tho for ruining others progressions.. Have been in one of those lobbys by joining randoms cause i prefer thegame w Company and the community is 10/10, but he was spawning mini crassus after mini crassus which each of those exploded into croppa, bismor etc. man i was outa there😂
I'm rank 1400 and have put 2,800 hours into DRG, understand that you and me are in the minority. I think the approved and sandbox mods should be better enforced to not allow more payout. The devs have stated before that they're alright with people using mods to play the game faster. I think the system we have now works well just need to be better moderated. if someone is going through the effort of modding the game so they can cheat, they most likely will also just install cheat engine. the group of people who falls in-between those two groups of people those how are willing to cheat using approved mods and those who install cheat engine is a small minority and is not worth worrying about.
I'm using the brighter objects mod, and I find it more fun than normal. It was frustrating being unable to see the objectives, with that frustration away, I like it more
I think there needs to be some sort of 4th tier of verification, like Approved+ where they're functionally the same as Approved mods but they give you some sort of advantage, whether that be mission payout or gameplay altering changes, but they aren't drastic enough to warrant going in Sandbox. That won't solve all the issues with modding but it's a good step in the right direction.
I still don't understand the point of this video. There are far easier ways to cheat and players already host those servers as normal unmodded servers, if people cant use approved mods to give themselves a slight advantage they will be most likely to go on youtube and search "drg fast lvling hack verified".
Audio mods like kekw detonator and ones that change the sounds of cave leeches when they grab you can also be grouped up with visual mods like brighter objects I use kekw detonator cause its funny but i cant deny its basically cheating as it makes it much more obvious when theres a bulk as i hear risitas laughing in place of its growls I havent used cave leech audio mods but they also make it much mote obvious youre about to get grabbed (and im pretty sure you can hear those mods before you would normally hear the hissing without them) These are only two cases but surely theres more, they are in verified but they can be used to give you a huge advantage over other players in the same lobby making the game a lot easier (i would say even more so than brighter objects) I personally think they should be in approved so people know im using them and have the option whether they want or dont want to install them
I got the neco arc one on and it rarely if ever helps you avoid them in time. Usually only if it's grabbing from an extremely long range, but even then it isn't hearable as the grabber makes the sound. Only sometimes does it ever make sounds early enough to get away if you dash right away. The videos you can see showing off the mods often aren't how they sound in game or the loudness it is in game
@@roar104 not talking about videos here as i've watched none, but my 2 friends that sucked at noticing leeches till they installed one of the leech audio mods, which one exactly i don't really care, whole point is that these kinds of mods make it easier than the normal hissing in a way or another which gives the players using them an advantage over others
@@roar104 i'm not against using them anyway, as i said i always use kekw detonator when i'm playing, i just wish others i play with had a way of knowing that i am and that's exactly why i wish this kind of mods is approved (and optional) rather than verified, i don't think people would stop using them if they were approved so why not
Tbh this Video is more on Puritan type vibes than being truly a decent argumentation on Modding for DRG. For starters, the Game is a PVE one, with Coop Online Multiplayer while also running PERFECTLY FINE Offline solo, that already means players can EASILY pick what the F they want to play and how they want. Payout Modiffiers on Approved have to be checked also on WHAT ELSE CHANGES that devs decide makes the Modified Payout Fair, your Discussion of it seems stupid on that ground, So unless Devs make a concise explanation of the more "egregious" approved tier Payout changing Mods (Some claim Swarm control is busted) and you manage to make a PROPER LOGICAL FACT BASED COUNTER ARGUMENT, the Payout changing Mods in Approved seem to me a "Devs decided, their problem" topic. Shit like shinny objects or Minerals visible in darkness mods are QoL basic mods, some people don't have the Eyesight to PROPERLY play Vanilla, same for Better Bosco, some players want to Play Solo but aren't yet in the level to make reliable Haz 4-5 runs, That mod is more of a spoon of sugar mod that eases the BS SLIGHTLY, but still makes the success of the Run on the Player, so it being Progression allowed is fair, after all, BOSCO IS FOR SOLO PLAY ONLY, what? You gonna get Pissy someone playing a Solo Haz 5 run is using a Bosco with MGs that stun and proc electricity damage while carrying 2 Cryo Rockets that freeze anything sans Dreadnaughs and packing 5 Revives? That would be Bothering a person in an Event whose ONLY PERCEIVED CRIME is Cosplaying some famous person and has a minor deyail wrong levels of silly.
Dude, at the very least be honest with why people cheating with mods bothers you enough to make a whopping 33 minute video about it. We get it, you play a lot of DRG and think people should have to go though the same progression you did. You realize there's a difference between being invested in the game and being so invested you care how other players enjoy their game. If I wanna progress while playing with my younger brother using 40 nitra, what's it to you? Didn't you just make a video about respecting people who roleplay and asked them to respect your playstyle? Hmmm. GSG mod rules being inconsistent was a guarantee from the moment they decided to police mods. Honestly, I don't know why they even bother. Imagine valve policing l4d mods. I actually agree with you regarding the categories, and I think the simplest change would just be to make all sandbox mods approved. Everybody gets to progress while playing sandbox mods. Nobody will join one of these lobbies by accident, as we already have modded lobby indicators.
Tbh the only thing GSG policing should be is more to just make sure that if a Mod picks their interest, they could either implement it in Vanilla faster, or if the Mod alters payout but also ADDS a fsir challenge to it, so the payout still is inline with Vanilla payout metrics.... Tbh the only things these classifications do is avtually put mods in the proper spot so Players CAN be prepared, GSG devs looking at those may also be so as to give members of the team that aren't activelly working towards the new season something to work in the company, that's, searching for new Ideas coming from the Mod community while also giving a degree of Interaction between Players/Modders and the Dev team
there used to be a fat boy "buff" mod that was aproved but it also made fat boy the most op think in exitence ability to one shot everythink like 110k damage with a blast radieus of like 50m and ejection force of hyperpropelant and thats to me a bit to much for aproved i mean you could speedrun elim in like 2 minutes
I'm a firm believer that people should play the game however they want to play in order to have fun. Do I personally agree with using mods to make the game easier? No. Does that stop me from judging people who do? Also no. But to that end, I don't particularly care if people go do their own thing and play the game how they want to as long as they keep it away from me. Ultimately, the choice of which mods to use comes down to what individuals decide. "Approved mods" aren't the most efficient way to make the game easier anyway, since any schmuck with cheat engine or steam achievement manager can just spool that up and give themselves oodles of whatever resource they want, or unlock all the achievements for themselves in a fell swoop. TL;DR: if you don't want to cheat, then don't, and if you do want to cheat, well, you can definitely do worse than DRG. At least DRG doesn't have any PvP or competitive elements, I would rather see people cheating here than in CS:GO or Escape from Tarkov or Hell Let Loose.
It's Deep Rock Galactic, man. A 4 player co-op PVE game, it's really not that deep. You just sound like that bitter old man trope where you're just pissed that the younger generation of people have more fun and rewarding shit to play around with. It doesn't look toxic but if you flip over the giant pretty rock that is DRG, under it is a bunch of fun hating elitist bugs that want you to play the game like they are or you're a "cheater that doesn't deserve shit" like I've been told in plenty of public games for using Brighter Objects.
Homie I use brighter objects too, all the time. It’s absolutely an advantage. I’m not gonna call you names obviously but come on, it’s literally an advantage. Idc if people are farming Crassus dets with approved mods but per the way the mod categorie defines approved mods it shouldn’t work the way it does.
Why do you want to gatekeep mods you don't have to use nor play with people that do. I thought this is going to be about interesting mods. Not a muppet waxing on for 30 minutes how much he can't stand other people to have fun.
The harder hazard levels do not violate the rules set out by GSG... The increased rewards increase in parallel with increased difficulty, just like all the other hazard levels. Which means you're not getting free stuff... You're putting in more work, for more stuff. GSG no doubt understood that when they gave it the approved status. You're nit picking using their own standards, even when GSG themselves WROTE the standards, and used those standards to approve the mod. In other words, GSG are going with rules as intended, where as you're going with rules as written. All of this is ignoring the fact that Deep Rock is not even a pvp game, which means that cheating is a non issue to begin with. So pack up your elitist garbage and go set up camp some place else.
Lmao GSG don’t even approve mods themselves. Even buying into what you’re saying here how do you excuse things like spawn menu? It ain’t elitist to critique a system in the interest of seeing it work better, especially since the system isn’t working as intended
Shoot why didn't i think of that, here let me delete the video and you can just go outside instead. Very inconsiderate of me to make a video on something you don't care about XD
I do not use mods because. I do not need the mods to play the game. Sometimes Players in my games like to skip around the map. It makes me question if they are cheating. I have seen some players switch main weapons in the middle of a run.
fr tho, most of the *most subscribed* approved mods are for cheating. Meanwhile there are only two of the most subscribed verified mods that I would count as cheating. (the 4th and 9th most downloaded. After that you gotta scroll a long ways til you find another for cheating). I'll stick with my verified mods. Gotta love my tts doretta, simple mission timer, drop pod elevator music, and fancy steeve.
It's also worth addressing the fact that as you mentioned briefly the way the game is balanced is a huge part of it and it's gameplay loop. If a new player uses cheat mods to unlock everything, they miss out on the satisfaction from getting the things themselves. They will also likely get overwhelmed to some extent with the amount of upgrades, maybe not a lot but it will still very likely make them less able to appreciate the different ways of playing the game a more experienced player would be able to see better. All in all, in some edge cases it can negatively affect game's lifetime for a person and therefor kinda for everyone in a way
Don't approved mods have to be looked over by a dev? I'm pretty sure you can just edit a savefile (or just cheatengine) to get all the overcloaks and minerals you want. Its not really a huge deal for people to get additional rewards on niche extreme difficulties, especially if a dev okays it.
i think if the devs believed that these mods were harmful the community and the games natural progression, they would have done something about it. In future they could easily move mods into other categories (such as moving a Haz 6/7 mod into a sandbox category). Alternatively they could advise the creators of the mods to change some of the reward bonuses and stuff like that, balancing the mods to mitigate the potential exploitation. all in all i think that if the devs of DRG are ok with these mods being approved, then it is likely that many of these mods are balanced and fair. i completely trust the devs in their decisions to approve these mods because they've created an amazing game and genuinely haven't made any decisions that i disagree with at this point in time. i probably don't have the greatest understanding around this topic as i've only ever played the game vanilla, but this video is really insightful so thank you!! edit: Wanted to mention that i do believe that some of the last few mods seem unbalanced, and this comment was mainly my opinion aimed at the mods that increase game difficulty.
The only mod I use that I feel could be considered cheating is one hit gold. I do feel it solves the whole mine gold argument and makes crassus detonators less of a tedious time. 40 nitra supply pods feel cheap to me but I don't really care if others use it, there was one I remember where supply drops were free but on a long cooldown and that mod seemed more balanced. I mean in the end I join missions instead of hosting them 95% of the time and most of those missions you join are unmodded anyway.
When I fist went through the list of mods and checked out what I might get, I instinctively avoided the ones that I KNOW I would've used to cheat bc I have no self control and I would've exploited tf outta those mods. You brought up almost everyone that I looked at and didn't get lmao. I know for a fact that if I give myself that option I'll definitely make the game unfun for myself
Game tools, do you think it could have an aproved version that only allows hostile and non-resource boosting enemies to be spawned en-mass. By this an good example is that you could summon an indefinate amount of bulk dets, but Crassus bulks would NOT be a summon option. This would mean that hoarders, lootbugs, prospectors, korloks, and so on would not be an available spawn option. On this note, dwarf items like grenades and turrets would also not be an available spawn. What are your thoughts on this for an approved mod that allows for naturally impossible fights whilst not being AS abusable at all for progression.
I dont agree with the root argument. I dont really see the problems with "cheating" mods. You Always know If people are using them in your Team and they cant Join. This drg is not a pvp competitive game. And if people really want to cheat some resourses (with mods they have to go through missions, even though easy) or just download a save editor from the internet and adding yourself enough of everything. Living with this knowledge really makes every other problem dust.
Thank you for the video. These guys who use the mods which make the game just a casual walk through the DARK caves probably download it for fun. Because if we're talking about a people who are reeeally that bad that they even need these mods... if there will be 3% of them, I would still hardly believe in it. I would like to watch the video about the game settings and some kind of tricks to improve performance/fps. Including some mods maybe.
I object to this, as one: GSG has actually stated the reason they allow progress, "Making the game moderately easier is a very inefficient way to boost your progression; you still have to go through the mission loop. Improving your win percentage is not comparable to spawning millions of gold in a mission... ...If you use these mods to get an advantage in missions, you are more likely to be bored as you make the game easier than intended. We have spent a lot of time tweaking the game to be as engaging as possible." and two, I object to his "solution", with current swarm control you could either: make missions easy, which doesn't really increase xp / materials that much make missions easy for recording make a bunch of praetorians spawn because you find fighting them fun make missions harder because you're bored and want a challenge with your version you could: make missions easy for recording not make missions easy, SLIGHTLY lowering the speed players progress for the timespan it takes to download wemod (and this is actually one of the objections to the war on drugs, if you outlaw heroin, people start buying fentanyl) make enemies harder but you can't finish the mission so you can't actually progress make enemies more fun but you can't finish so you can't progress
I got a snippet of how the devs justify the standard on modding and "cheats":
"We do not consider [advantageous mods] cheats, and this is why:
Most of these mods are used in conjunction with other mods, like lowering the cost of resupply but increasing the enemy cap. The intent is usually not to make the game easier but to provide options for a different experience.
Making the game moderately easier is a very inefficient way to boost your progression; you still have to go through the mission loop. Improving your win percentage is not comparable to spawning millions of gold in a mission.
Some of these mods improve accessibility, such as increasing visibility. And yes, you could technically get an advantage with these mods. But the same reasoning applies. It is not a very efficient way of boosting your progression.
If you use these mods to get an advantage in missions, you are more likely to be bored as you make the game easier than intended. We have spent a lot of time tweaking the game to be as engaging as possible."
Edit: of course this doesn't excuse all of them, but gives insight in their reasoning on this topic.
You can find this in their blog post "Update 34.5 - Modding Support
(Now live on the Experimental Branch)"
Not only does this explain the Dev's thought process? It's important for people to understand that Cheating progression in DRG is very simple to do without resorting to mods, and it's not as if someone can stop a Cheater from joining a Vanilla game and spamming rapid fire nukes to down the whole team.
We consider these bad faith actors a negligible part of the discussion to whether anti-cheat is necessary (not that it's likely or possible to implement anyway), and Mods fit within the same scope in regards to bad faith actors also being a negligible part of the discussion IMO.
Who even cares if some dude is out there giving himself legendary 3 on all his dwarves or making easy missions?
Just shoot the bugs, if there aren't enough bugs for you then find a server with more bugs, so what he's ruining the game for himself just move on.
Idk why people care so much about it. Can someone explain why I should be worried about stopping some schmuck from cheating progression in a co-op game?
@@koalabro6118 what people are mad at is cheaters who give other people progression usually.
@@electricheisenberg5723 Fair, but those people have three options available to them currently:
1. Don't join approved-modded lobbies (or lobbies which are using mods you find objectionable; it lists them, after all)
2. Leave the server if you see its using cheats in some way
3. Backup your saves periodically, and restore them if you end up failing to do either of the prior (maybe the cheat only occurs at mission end, I dunno)
Given these are all available, I thinks its just not reasonable or fair to disallow mods for the many who want them, even if they blatantly bypass progression (such as the Swarm Control mod). Especially since, at the end of the day, the progression icon is just that; an icon. I've seen plats play awfully, and coppers play like gods, and as long as everyone's having fun who cares?
That being said, I think the category definitions need to be made much more explicit and concrete (specifically where XP falls in the categorization, and what qualifies as accessibility)
Edit: quick clarification on point 1
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The brighter objects mod being verified is almost certainly an accessibility thing. I think an ore mod that changed the color of the ore instead of making them glow would also get verified, even if the colors were ludicrously bright or reflective.
Honestly I agree with the devs on that one. Those ores aren't supposed to be visible in pitch-black without flares
even if its an accessability thing, it still should require a close light source of scout flare to see
I think the funny part about the mods that make it easier to see things, is that someone like me with a really high color depth screen while running on ultra I can NATIVELY see most things in the dark without scout flares. If anything those mods just equalize things since most people don't have insanely high color depth screens and many also can't run the game at max settings.
That’s why I stick to reverb fart exploders.
This plus Exploder Infestation is a real vibe
I use the Brighter Objects mod because my vision is bad enough I actually need it to complete most secondary objectives, even when playing as a scout spamming my flares. The base game just doesn't have enough "pop" for a lot of the items to match my vision.
I've had way too many Booloo Caps, Blooms, and Fossils spawn in a way that they are almost entirely within a wall. The slight glow from the mod helps with that.
@@TeddyBearAssassin or on elim missions they spawn in the blue fleshy growths around dreadnaughts and can't hardly be seen (if at all). Same thing can happen for egg missions sometimes
I use Brighter Objects because my laptop combusts unless I play with 5% resolution scale
14:10 The problem is that on ultra settings vanilla nitra and gold are visible in the dark. they reflect even small lighting from anything
Ok, but WHO THE FUCK aside YT/Twotch CCs, Rich Dum Dums or People who HAVE WORK THAT SPECIFICALLY NEED Hardware that Runs ANY GAME on Ultra will have a PC specc'ed for it in Numbers higher than the contrary?
This is basically not letting Man eat Steak because Baby can't chew it.
The biggest drive in Moddable Games with Online features (Specially the PvE genre) is HOW MANY Players are affected in one way compared to the Opposite way (Positive vs Negative).
Currently DRG mods are on the better side of this
@@andrehashimoto8056 I have one, its not cheap now expensive.. You just have to build one yourself but still the fact that you can "slightly" see it by how the lighting engine works do be kinda dookie for non ultra runners
@@Jakoni7 Obviously nobody gets a beast pc JUST to see the fucking minerals glow slightly. But yes, most people DO have that kind of money to spend and a decent amount of people do spend that money on higher-end hardware.
Which settings affect the lightning?? This isn't fair, I have to run this game on Medium and still have FPS drops, while someone who runs this game on Ultra, have a advantage on visibility? Now I see a reason to use Brighter Objects
Do it...That was always allowed
The criteria is only used when mods are automatically tagged by the mod site bot, once a human (dev) look at them, they can alter the category of said mods as they see fit.
I guarantee you that Haz 6/Starship Trooper mods were sandbox when first released, because they altered the payout/mission strectures...etc BUT once a dev actually tried the mods and actually looked at what they do, they decided the category to which they're best fit (approved).
I'm perfectly okay with people using stuff like the glowing minerals, because I could see those being a great accessibility option for, say, colour blind players or players with bad eyesight.
It should probably also be added that such a mod might also reduce eye strain from looking at dark spaces for so long.
I'm still salty they moved all the light mods into approved. Regular DRG hurts my eyes D:
As a miopic colourblind person, I relate to this. I find playing without a scout near impossible and frankly just frustrating because I can't see sh*t. I don't mind not seeing the bugs, but having to squint desperately just to see that last ebonut is not a good experience.
My only problem is you have to use it to join a host that uses it.
@@ToxNanodon't tell anybody, but 5x flashlight mod works on servers despite being approved...
The brigter objects mod positions itself as accessibility mod. So if anything, it should make odjects and ores glow when there is a flare nearby, sopeople with wision problems can still notice them, yet other players can't abuse it to see everything across the map
My take is that at the end of the day it's a PvE game and as long as you're not ruining other people's experience you're good to play the game the way you wanna play it.
I can agree that mod classifications are a bit weird and I don't agree with the placement of some mods in verified vs approved vs sandbox. By 'abusing' the mods mentioned all that people are gaining are meaningless numbers in credits and levels - I know that some people use these as signs of pride but that's about all they are for as promotions don't mean much after your first on each class. If people want to cheat, they're gonna cheat - simple as that. Limiting the official means of doing so through modding isn't gonna stop those people.
We already have a problem where a majority of players will not even look at a modded server. You're lucky to find another person to join your approved lobby and sandbox lobbies are even more of a barren wasteland. I don't think simplifying things into two categories will help much either (assuming the proposed gameplay categorized mods work similarly to how sandbox functions now) as you'd splinter off all the modded folks into their own bubble. For example, I will play mostly Custom Difficulty/Twitch Integration lobbies nowadays, and if I had to use a whole different save just for playing these, I probably wouldn't go back to the non-gameplay realm to play with all the normies.
But what do I know? I just stick funny googly eyes on bugs and try to stay in my own lane of not modifying the actual gameplay mechanics.
One big problem the modding update has introduced is the complete lack of differentiation between host and client side mods. Every time someone joins a modded server, they have to wait till _all_ of the hosts mods are downloaded, regardless of if that's necessary. It also disables all client side mods of the joining player, regardless of category.
As an example: If I wanted to play with flashlightX3 before the mod update, I could just do that. Now I not only have to find a modded server, but a modded server that is specifically running flashlightX3 and not running any of the mods I might not want to play with. In most cases, the amount of Servers that fit that criteria is zero (without even factoring specific missions and assignments), and if I host myself 99% of the time no one will join.
@@ToxNano that’s because flashlight, or any light mods, change gameplay dramatically. I never have issues when I host with only sound fx mods.
@@It-b-Blair "Dramatically" is a bit of an overstatement. It's more of an accessibility tweak.
Nonetheless, my point stands. It's impossible to play with the mod, now. You either join other people that have it, and have to load tons of mods that you don't want, or you host yourself and no one joins.
approved for progression means that it does not break progression. 150% xp bonus for haz 6 is right on the money for progression preservation.
" Who says that ? "
That's the topic of this video.
Indeed. It is a reasonable amount of xp bonus for you effort, now if you say is something like 1500% then of course it should be a Sandbox but that isn't the case so it remains in line with progression.
You'd think a literal Sandboxing Tool would be put in the Sandbox category
I think as long as user files and backup files are stored locally, this is a moot issue. It may be annoying to restore a file and lose a mission worth of progress, however it would be better than banning some mods outright just due to bad actors, potential or otherwise.
Personally, to me verified, approved and sandbox mods shouldn't be a checkbox, rather they should be on a sliding scale, because that's the way they behave.
Whether to use a mod, is upto the player.
:)
From what i understand, for a mod to get to approved, it needs to be well, approved by a dev or admin or something. Id say if the mod affects mission payouts and is in approved someone at ghostship looked at it, and thinks the payouts are equal to the effort, therefore falling under drg progression.
This might be a hot take, idk. Anyway, fundamentally, "cheating" requires that someone be cheated. A victimless act is not cheating.
At the end of the day, *a lot* of this so-called (potential) "cheating" basically boils down to, "That guy over there is making his meaningless number go up faster than my meaningless number". So what? It's a meaningless number. In cases like that, this is purely an emotional issue, not a practical one. You (whoever) "feel" rank, XP, etc. actually means something, therefore, [...]. Practical issues would be ones that change how the game works for other people without their consent.
I wouldn't even consider it cheating if there was an "instantly unlock all OCs/gear/cosmetics/etc." button so long as it has no impact on anyone else's game and how they want to play. I see no reason why the guy that enjoys the grind and the guy that despises the grind can't both play the way they each want to play while also having the ability to play with each other if they want to. So long as the button is equally available to everyone, I don't see the issue.
Personally, I don't even use approved mods (at least on my main save), and still I don't see policing others who are minding their own business as a battle worth fighting. I say let people play the way they want to play and get over yourself (again, whoever) if "B-but the value of my meaningless-in-the-first-place rank is now diluted!" is your approach to the topic.
As for GSG's criteria on what's "approved", etc. yeah it's weird, but I think I'd sooner see "sandbox" mods just be "approved" than vice versa, and just define it as "these are mods that change how the game works for other players too."
I suffer from night blindness, so IRL it can be extremely difficult to drive at night or go most places that are not lit brightly enough or have some sort of flashlight. When I started playing DRG, I literally couldn’t see outside of my flashlight with no flares and with flares it was much better but still hard to see at times (even with gamma all the way up). Brighter objects is verified helps with this so much. The main reason why it’s in verified is bc it just increases the brightness for objects already with illumination. Sure, it makes it easier for some to see objects, but for accessibility reasons (and recolors for that matter), it should stay verified.
That being said, it is frustrating that nitra and gold brighter objects mod is approved, not verified. Especially since it already shimmers a bit on ultra settings, but for lower-end pcs ultra is hard to consistently run, especially during swarms. I hope they do fix that, and I would love ghost ship to just makes everything brighter for accessibility reasons
"none of the DRG achievements are challenging to get"
Idk man, getting 3000 points in less than 100 kicks in the barrel hoop sounds challenging to me
i object to the point about swarm control not being finishable:
with current swarm control you could either:
make missions easy, which doesn't really increase xp / materials that much
make missions easy for recording
make a bunch of praetorians spawn because you find fighting them fun
make missions harder because you're bored and want a challenge
with your version you could:
make missions easy for recording
not make missions easy, SLIGHTLY lowering the speed players progress for the timespan it takes to download wemod
(and this is actually one of the objections to the war on drugs, if you outlaw heroin, people start buying fentanyl)
make enemies harder but you can't finish the mission so you can't actually progress
make enemies more fun but you can't finish so you can't progress
The first two mods are likely not sandbox because they dont technically provide extra changes to rewards in actuality. The payout increase isnt obscene, and it is relatively in line with the increase in difficulty, so you arent technically getting anything more for the time, effort and skill required outside what the game normally gives.
Hazard 1 giving hazard 5 payouts would be changing progression. Hazard 6 giving payouts in line with the relative growth in difficulty doesnt change progression, in effect.
Also on steam achievements
Steam Achievement Manager still works
The main mod I use, which is like the only mod I use, makes it so I can see the team's mined/collected resources as a whole including those not deposited. I feel that this is not cheating as it can be done by asking in chat what everyone has, it just saves time. It also shows how many resupply pods we can call, how much more nitra we need for the next one, how many more of the secondary we need, etc.
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Any rework to modding categories that limits abuse would also limit the engaging, difficulty increasing, and overhaul mods. DRG's modding system is the best I've ever seen in a game like this. It lets you tailor the game to how you like it without relegating you to sandbox. Something like starship troopers elite and hazard 6 are the only cases that shouldn't fit into approved, because as you said they alter the payout. Any other restrictions will ruin it.
I agree with some of the other comments here. This is very petty and misses the point of the mods. Its not wrong to make the game easier. Theres no moral failing of brighter objects. This is basically difficullty level gatekeeping. I understand the instinct, but its wrong. If you don't like people using brighter objects to make the game easier, stop using it. That's it. It's client side so automatically and objectively meets the requirements for approved, as it should.
You also don't seem to understand the categories. To simplify them, Verified is client side. Doesn't matter what it does, if it works on your game while other people in the lobby don't have it installed, its verified. Approved is almost anything that doesn't directly modify the end mission payout or unlock things. Makes the game way easier? Still approved. Makes the game way harder? Still approved. As you've said, there are a few specific examples of mods that violate those categories, and those are the only problem, and even they're not really a problem unless those violations of categories became more widespread, but as they haven't yet, they aren't an issue.
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As long as DRG has all data stored locally, all gameplay is peer to peer, and has literally no anti-cheat the only thing modding really needs to ensure is that verified mods have no issues with players playing with unmodded versions of the game, to ensure no desyncing or other issues crop up. Since if people wanted to alter the game, they can already do it and have zero resistance.
If someone wanted to actually cheat they wouldn't use a mod to make no enemies spawn so they can run missions back to back quickly. They would just use a save editor or a cheat table to modify their stats, inventory, and save. They can set their level to 1k, have all the overclocks, all cosmetics, and have 9.9 million of each resources.
Its a non-PVP game with no market economy. Majority of players never ever use mods and have no idea that they even exist.
Why... bother?
I use mostly purely cosmetic mods but there are some QOL ones like outline for platform placement and Brighter objects (because fr this brighter object mod does save quite the valuable time thr fact that it is not count towards modded games is just amazing)
I understand where you're coming from on most of these, but for me - a casual player who will probably rarely play Haz 4, let alone 5 and up - the game I want to play is more chill than your vision. Making minerals glow more in an environment that already glows on a lot of maps, just makes the game even playable for me. Without it I'd struggle to even play the game.
Now whether it should be Approved instead, idk. I'm not against that if it doesn't inhibit me from lobbies.
I do think on Haz 1 and 2 Friendly Fire should be much further reduced, though...
How do you "cheat" in a game that is just co-op? Cheating to me implies fixing competition with some kind of physical reward.
40 Nitra resupplies are kinda required for mission randomizer as in a since the caves generates so weird and random its very hard to find
Given how its a co-op game I see the option to fast track as something much more okay than competitive games
its up to an individual player's sense of integrity or what they choose to consider cheating
yeah ghost ship isnt really staying within the letter of their terms but I feel that if it was a strict no rewards then it would be harder for players to be motivated to try harder missions, and that this would be worse than allowing some people who dont care about the feeling of progression to cheapen it for themselves. The grind in deep rock isn't necessarily long either besides overclocks, so there isnt much they're bypassing by completing missions faster without effort
I feel like it's important to note how little people care when it comes to cheating in something like a single-player Minecraft world where mods have practically the same impact on others as they do in DRG. But I can agree their current policy with mod approval is inconsistent and warrants a rework.
I'd agree with just having "modded" and "unmodded" players where the only things you can't mod are cosmetics, promotions and player rank.
I do prefer the current system over your suggestion because it means that I can install silly little cosmetic tweaks to personalize my game, and not completely miss out on playing with 90% of the already fairly small playerbase.
@@Chloroxite Hopefully there would be a lot more modded players since they would want to install small visual mods
if the devs say the mods are okay in vanila balance, then who cares what your opinon is on it?
I feel like a lot of "straight upgrade" mods can be considered quality of life. I used to use the better Bosco mod because I was tired of his shit mining speed, and I just wanted him to be able to do stuff solo. I never ever play gameplay altering mods with friends, only solo.
still a straight upgrade from the normal game, a quality of life mod is for example the heat crossair, it makes so you can se in your crossair the heat of your weapons, better bosco is a stronger version of bosco, its in the name of the mod
I agree to a point, and I'd agree much more if this were competitive PVP. But one of the aspects of this game that makes it so popular is specifically the ability to mod it, whether that's to make it look a little different, or to make it variously harder, or to make it more accessible for a wider variety of player types, or simply to make it more viable for solo players to get through higher hazard levels without being a gaming guru. As others have noted, the brighter objects mod can be great for accessibility; some of those objects are far more reflective already at higher graphics settings; and even something as simple as adjusting gamma, contrast, or brightness can make those same objects more visible at the cost of a sense of atmosphere. Spawning buckets of gold is obviously out of bounds for anything but sandbox, but everything else is, in this context and for me, up to the players.
a bit surprised you didn't mention the googly eyes for glyphids mod. what's just supposed to be a funny meme mod to make the game more lighthearted gives you a pretty considerable advantage, in that the eyes glow and you can see swarms on the other side of the room in the pitch black that you have no business seeing otherwise. i imagine it isn't actually intentional and just a holdover from when the eyes where only used for the breathers, but it is a bit weird it hasn't been addressed yet.
Hey, creator of the Googly Eyes mod here. The eyes glowing in the dark was intentional as I thought it looked funnier this way, but many people complained. So now this problem HAS been addressed. If you look at the mod page, it now has support for Mod Hub and the googly eyes can be made to now glow in the dark through the mod's Mod Hub settings page (and I believe I set it so they don't glow in the dark for new users of the mod).
At the end of the day, this is just a funny mod and if the eyes glowing in the dark is that game changing for you, you should find yourself a Scout that knows how to use the flare gun.
@@HandDrawnNerd good to know, thanks. admittedly i did have the mod disabled for a while and didn't think to check if it HAD been addressed already, so that one's on me. like the vid, this wasn't intended as a pot shot at you, you do good work. i just imagined it probably looked a bit odd to my teammates as a gunner to be shooting into random dark spots in the cave. i'll reenable it next time i play cuz i did genuinely enjoy having muppet glyphids.
You have made a big mistake in this video:
You are not the one to approve those mods, the devs are fine with them, that's literally the only thing that counts.
When it comes to balance and modding, it's the devs opinion that matters, the devs could have made it so that no mod that changes anything other than cosmetics is allowed, yet they chose differently. If a mod "breaks" balance and is in the "wrong" category acording to you, then we already have a problem, it's not your vision, it's the devs vision that is important.
I always made the assumption that Brighter Objects use was for the benefit of viewers when used by content creators, and for normal players to compensate for eyesight deficiencies (just ask my friends to find Fossils in Azure Weald for example).
the thing is taht there's no competition in DRG ( at least none that I know of ) so giving yourself an advantage is definitely cheating but it doesn't really matter ( at least to me )
Funny story, I was playing a game and had only one mod on. And it was a mission control replacer. And for some reason at the end of the mission a dwarf berated me for modding the game and that I shouldn't have warmed him first. (He thought there was less nitra needed for drops or something. Though we got like 360 nitra it something. So idk)
People need to care a whole lot less about what others do in a non-competitive game where the main objective is fun. If anything the argument should be that things should be less restrictive. For instance there's really no good reason for approved mods to disable achievements because if people want to cheat in order to get them they can do so without even playing the game.
This is all just sad.
I'm just over here playing on the PS4 sipping my Blacklock Lager watching the fireworks :3
Is the XP bonus from STE a bonus to all of the rewards? Or specifically XP? If you don’t get any extra crafting minerals from it, then I can see why it’s approved rather than Sandbox.
*no one: ....
*Axis: Release the balloon!
as a console pleb this does not affect me at all but I do think accessibility is important, and how the devs approach that is an interesting debate.
ive never heard someone complain about such a niche topic. who tf cares, play the game how you want.
Why would you assume he didn't want to test things on a huuli hoarder? I don't doubt that people would use it in that way to get resources but it seems like you're making a huge assumption based on very little information because of your own preconceived notion of the general playerbase. All this being said the only mods I use because I don't like getting advantages in gameplay are purely cosmetic changes that don't effect missions such as all the cleaning/particle effect remover you use. The only thing I can think of that tweaks gameplay in some fashion would be smoke flares.
Simple solution, very dwarf: community approval.
"No hard achievements". Achievement " If only I got paid for this" (3000 points at barrel hoop game) completed only 1,7% and it's less than earn first gold promotion 2,3%
I suppose so, but you can just have someone else do it for you anyways. That and it only takes a few minutes once you get in a grove. The reason the % is so low is just due to the nature of how steam achievements work with free weekends. A random player could download the game and beat 1 mission, now they make all the other achievements more rare by not continuing to play.
19:56 "Holy hell"
I see what you did there
Very good points, but after playing Vermintide2 religiously for 700 hrs, the absurdly slow approval process of mods is also very frustrating. Mods that were approved eventually become incompatible with updates, must be tweaked, and reapproved. Im not sure which is worse.
Tbh that method is shit and having a dedicated team that MUST keep shit going in regards to approve a mod or not is just trying to Pull a Bugthesda, more cost for no profit at all.
Letting mods be listed, but then later reassigned to a proper classification by a dev/Moderator is the better choice.
If people REALLY WANT to complain that much, just have ANY MODS not checked and then assigned a position (Approved, Progression allowed or Sandbox) to be marked as "Unchecked" or "Waiting Classification" so players know they are using a mod that COULD VERY WELL Nuke their progression as soon the mod gets checked and then thrown into Sandbox.
That's all.
Please, if there is a physical issues involved, would there be a mod to make the whole game brighter? Maybe even the menu?
Hey Axis, can you make a video on your favorite tricks on the game? For Example you've already made a video on fast depositing, but maybe that's not your favorite trick you found.
Love learning from you, Cheers
Your suggestion of splitting the playerbase is bad and as a whole is a waste of brainpower to care about
I don't understand the issue with mods that are that you turn the game into a sandbox being put in the "sandbox" category. is
there some issue with mods having the sandbox label?
Modding is the reason i would play these game to begin with
As a newcomer to DRG that has played many other multiplayer games, I was astonished at how mods are handled.
I would have 100% expected the categories to be "UI mods" and "modded." Only UI mods would be permissible in vanilla games, and all other mods make the game non-vanilla progression.
about getting higher rewards, tho i don't disagree with u, cant u just get a mod and give urself lvl 3000 in one click? if ur goal is to cheat and get a higher level then u would normally, i would assume someone would use that to get lvl 3000 instantly and not run 1000 haz 7 with 95% less enemies missions
This is kinda sad actually. Now I will look at those +200 levels a little differently.
How do you go outside the space rig in your intros?
I use the damage number mod, not necessarily the make the game easier (it does), but because it makes the game look better to me. To see your damage appear like it would in, say, Borderlands.
I feel like it should be in the base game, but part of me knows it gives me an unfair advantage. I can see the damage numbers when my allies are fighting, for instance, through walls. I can tell when I'm dealing damage and whether I hit a weak point. I just don't think it's very extreme. Like stealing grapes at the grocery store.
I got kicked from a group when I even mentioned audio mods. Mods I mainly use for funny reasons. Is it that big of a deal?
if someone kicks you for using a meme audio mod, that says more about them than you imo
Thing is, its npt a competitive game, if someone shows up and gives the team 88k gold then that's just a mild inconvenience for me to rollback, if someone wants to turn the game into the easiest thing possible, good for them, they make the game more boring for themselves.
"Minor" The tweaks one is nearly double everything, except the negative stuff which is halved near everything. Mineral from +5 to +30, flashlight range over 5x the normal amount!? Oh and let's not forget sheild and HP and friendly fire being ZERO. These are very significant changes, not minor at all.
Can you do more of teardown videos, I do apricate the daily content, thanks! =]
i don't use blatant buff mods because WHEN they will get put in the sandbox, i will still know what builds to create
I am guilty of using "Brighter Objects". I basically see it an an accessibility option that could (and imo should) have been implemented in the game. Due to an eye condition I have I basically cannot play the game without it, except if I am Scout (which is why I only experienced playing Scout for my first 400 hours in the game).
is there a mod to change weapons durring missions? for easy testing too ?
is there a mood to reduce the particules for the engi shootgun when it shoots?
yes there is
i don't think modded game matchmaking issues necessarily stem from stigma, i think a lot of people (even very high level accounts) don't play modded because they just don't want to, because it's too difficult or stressful or the ways in which mods change the game aren't appealing to those people
If you’ve made it to the point where u start different difficulty mods to make it harder u basically completed the game anyways so i think its all good to give more xp for your missions, different story tho for ruining others progressions.. Have been in one of those lobbys by joining randoms cause i prefer thegame w Company and the community is 10/10, but he was spawning mini crassus after mini crassus which each of those exploded into croppa, bismor etc. man i was outa there😂
I only use funny audio mods, some of them do make the game slightly easier but its nothing compared to the mods seen in this video.
I'm rank 1400 and have put 2,800 hours into DRG, understand that you and me are in the minority. I think the approved and sandbox mods should be better enforced to not allow more payout. The devs have stated before that they're alright with people using mods to play the game faster. I think the system we have now works well just need to be better moderated. if someone is going through the effort of modding the game so they can cheat, they most likely will also just install cheat engine. the group of people who falls in-between those two groups of people those how are willing to cheat using approved mods and those who install cheat engine is a small minority and is not worth worrying about.
I'm using the brighter objects mod, and I find it more fun than normal. It was frustrating being unable to see the objectives, with that frustration away, I like it more
I think there needs to be some sort of 4th tier of verification, like Approved+ where they're functionally the same as Approved mods but they give you some sort of advantage, whether that be mission payout or gameplay altering changes, but they aren't drastic enough to warrant going in Sandbox. That won't solve all the issues with modding but it's a good step in the right direction.
There is always exceptions to every rule
I still don't understand the point of this video.
There are far easier ways to cheat and players already host those servers as normal unmodded servers, if people cant use approved mods to give themselves a slight advantage they will be most likely to go on youtube and search "drg fast lvling hack verified".
I was so waiting for this video
Audio mods like kekw detonator and ones that change the sounds of cave leeches when they grab you can also be grouped up with visual mods like brighter objects
I use kekw detonator cause its funny but i cant deny its basically cheating as it makes it much more obvious when theres a bulk as i hear risitas laughing in place of its growls
I havent used cave leech audio mods but they also make it much mote obvious youre about to get grabbed (and im pretty sure you can hear those mods before you would normally hear the hissing without them)
These are only two cases but surely theres more, they are in verified but they can be used to give you a huge advantage over other players in the same lobby making the game a lot easier (i would say even more so than brighter objects)
I personally think they should be in approved so people know im using them and have the option whether they want or dont want to install them
I got the neco arc one on and it rarely if ever helps you avoid them in time. Usually only if it's grabbing from an extremely long range, but even then it isn't hearable as the grabber makes the sound. Only sometimes does it ever make sounds early enough to get away if you dash right away. The videos you can see showing off the mods often aren't how they sound in game or the loudness it is in game
@@roar104 not talking about videos here as i've watched none, but my 2 friends that sucked at noticing leeches till they installed one of the leech audio mods, which one exactly i don't really care, whole point is that these kinds of mods make it easier than the normal hissing in a way or another which gives the players using them an advantage over others
@@Akaromaeda that's fair. The 2 I've used don't hardly make a difference most times.
@@roar104 i'm not against using them anyway, as i said i always use kekw detonator when i'm playing, i just wish others i play with had a way of knowing that i am and that's exactly why i wish this kind of mods is approved (and optional) rather than verified, i don't think people would stop using them if they were approved so why not
Tbh this Video is more on Puritan type vibes than being truly a decent argumentation on Modding for DRG.
For starters, the Game is a PVE one, with Coop Online Multiplayer while also running PERFECTLY FINE Offline solo, that already means players can EASILY pick what the F they want to play and how they want.
Payout Modiffiers on Approved have to be checked also on WHAT ELSE CHANGES that devs decide makes the Modified Payout Fair, your Discussion of it seems stupid on that ground, So unless Devs make a concise explanation of the more "egregious" approved tier Payout changing Mods (Some claim Swarm control is busted) and you manage to make a PROPER LOGICAL FACT BASED COUNTER ARGUMENT, the Payout changing Mods in Approved seem to me a "Devs decided, their problem" topic.
Shit like shinny objects or Minerals visible in darkness mods are QoL basic mods, some people don't have the Eyesight to PROPERLY play Vanilla, same for Better Bosco, some players want to Play Solo but aren't yet in the level to make reliable Haz 4-5 runs, That mod is more of a spoon of sugar mod that eases the BS SLIGHTLY, but still makes the success of the Run on the Player, so it being Progression allowed is fair, after all, BOSCO IS FOR SOLO PLAY ONLY, what? You gonna get Pissy someone playing a Solo Haz 5 run is using a Bosco with MGs that stun and proc electricity damage while carrying 2 Cryo Rockets that freeze anything sans Dreadnaughs and packing 5 Revives? That would be Bothering a person in an Event whose ONLY PERCEIVED CRIME is Cosplaying some famous person and has a minor deyail wrong levels of silly.
Dude, at the very least be honest with why people cheating with mods bothers you enough to make a whopping 33 minute video about it. We get it, you play a lot of DRG and think people should have to go though the same progression you did. You realize there's a difference between being invested in the game and being so invested you care how other players enjoy their game. If I wanna progress while playing with my younger brother using 40 nitra, what's it to you? Didn't you just make a video about respecting people who roleplay and asked them to respect your playstyle? Hmmm.
GSG mod rules being inconsistent was a guarantee from the moment they decided to police mods. Honestly, I don't know why they even bother. Imagine valve policing l4d mods. I actually agree with you regarding the categories, and I think the simplest change would just be to make all sandbox mods approved. Everybody gets to progress while playing sandbox mods. Nobody will join one of these lobbies by accident, as we already have modded lobby indicators.
Tbh the only thing GSG policing should be is more to just make sure that if a Mod picks their interest, they could either implement it in Vanilla faster, or if the Mod alters payout but also ADDS a fsir challenge to it, so the payout still is inline with Vanilla payout metrics....
Tbh the only things these classifications do is avtually put mods in the proper spot so Players CAN be prepared, GSG devs looking at those may also be so as to give members of the team that aren't activelly working towards the new season something to work in the company, that's, searching for new Ideas coming from the Mod community while also giving a degree of Interaction between Players/Modders and the Dev team
there used to be a fat boy "buff" mod that was aproved but it also made fat boy the most op think in exitence ability to one shot everythink like 110k damage with a blast radieus of like 50m and ejection force of hyperpropelant and thats to me a bit to much for aproved i mean you could speedrun elim in like 2 minutes
Karl is approved and straight up shouldn't be.
I just want cave leech neko arc back on the aproved mods
On the topic of season 3? Speculation video? IDK
Crazy how people consider the "slightly better" mods to be QoL.
I'm a firm believer that people should play the game however they want to play in order to have fun. Do I personally agree with using mods to make the game easier? No. Does that stop me from judging people who do? Also no. But to that end, I don't particularly care if people go do their own thing and play the game how they want to as long as they keep it away from me. Ultimately, the choice of which mods to use comes down to what individuals decide. "Approved mods" aren't the most efficient way to make the game easier anyway, since any schmuck with cheat engine or steam achievement manager can just spool that up and give themselves oodles of whatever resource they want, or unlock all the achievements for themselves in a fell swoop.
TL;DR: if you don't want to cheat, then don't, and if you do want to cheat, well, you can definitely do worse than DRG. At least DRG doesn't have any PvP or competitive elements, I would rather see people cheating here than in CS:GO or Escape from Tarkov or Hell Let Loose.
It's Deep Rock Galactic, man. A 4 player co-op PVE game, it's really not that deep. You just sound like that bitter old man trope where you're just pissed that the younger generation of people have more fun and rewarding shit to play around with.
It doesn't look toxic but if you flip over the giant pretty rock that is DRG, under it is a bunch of fun hating elitist bugs that want you to play the game like they are or you're a "cheater that doesn't deserve shit" like I've been told in plenty of public games for using Brighter Objects.
Homie I use brighter objects too, all the time. It’s absolutely an advantage. I’m not gonna call you names obviously but come on, it’s literally an advantage.
Idc if people are farming Crassus dets with approved mods but per the way the mod categorie defines approved mods it shouldn’t work the way it does.
Why do you want to gatekeep mods you don't have to use nor play with people that do. I thought this is going to be about interesting mods. Not a muppet waxing on for 30 minutes how much he can't stand other people to have fun.
The harder hazard levels do not violate the rules set out by GSG... The increased rewards increase in parallel with increased difficulty, just like all the other hazard levels. Which means you're not getting free stuff... You're putting in more work, for more stuff. GSG no doubt understood that when they gave it the approved status. You're nit picking using their own standards, even when GSG themselves WROTE the standards, and used those standards to approve the mod. In other words, GSG are going with rules as intended, where as you're going with rules as written.
All of this is ignoring the fact that Deep Rock is not even a pvp game, which means that cheating is a non issue to begin with. So pack up your elitist garbage and go set up camp some place else.
Lmao GSG don’t even approve mods themselves. Even buying into what you’re saying here how do you excuse things like spawn menu? It ain’t elitist to critique a system in the interest of seeing it work better, especially since the system isn’t working as intended
Me on console seeing this: You guys can call resupplies for 40 nitra!? Brighten resources!? Lower enemy spawns!? That is..scufffffed!
Honestly this is a whole lot of whining over nothing. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter that much
Shoot why didn't i think of that, here let me delete the video and you can just go outside instead. Very inconsiderate of me to make a video on something you don't care about XD
I do not use mods because. I do not need the mods to play the game. Sometimes Players in my games like to skip around the map. It makes me question if they are cheating. I have seen some players switch main weapons in the middle of a run.
fr tho, most of the *most subscribed* approved mods are for cheating. Meanwhile there are only two of the most subscribed verified mods that I would count as cheating. (the 4th and 9th most downloaded. After that you gotta scroll a long ways til you find another for cheating). I'll stick with my verified mods. Gotta love my tts doretta, simple mission timer, drop pod elevator music, and fancy steeve.
It's also worth addressing the fact that as you mentioned briefly the way the game is balanced is a huge part of it and it's gameplay loop. If a new player uses cheat mods to unlock everything, they miss out on the satisfaction from getting the things themselves. They will also likely get overwhelmed to some extent with the amount of upgrades, maybe not a lot but it will still very likely make them less able to appreciate the different ways of playing the game a more experienced player would be able to see better. All in all, in some edge cases it can negatively affect game's lifetime for a person and therefor kinda for everyone in a way
Don't approved mods have to be looked over by a dev? I'm pretty sure you can just edit a savefile (or just cheatengine) to get all the overcloaks and minerals you want. Its not really a huge deal for people to get additional rewards on niche extreme difficulties, especially if a dev okays it.
i think if the devs believed that these mods were harmful the community and the games natural progression, they would have done something about it. In future they could easily move mods into other categories (such as moving a Haz 6/7 mod into a sandbox category). Alternatively they could advise the creators of the mods to change some of the reward bonuses and stuff like that, balancing the mods to mitigate the potential exploitation. all in all i think that if the devs of DRG are ok with these mods being approved, then it is likely that many of these mods are balanced and fair. i completely trust the devs in their decisions to approve these mods because they've created an amazing game and genuinely haven't made any decisions that i disagree with at this point in time. i probably don't have the greatest understanding around this topic as i've only ever played the game vanilla, but this video is really insightful so thank you!!
edit: Wanted to mention that i do believe that some of the last few mods seem unbalanced, and this comment was mainly my opinion aimed at the mods that increase game difficulty.
When I downloaded 3 "approved" mods like brighter object and saw that noone joined me, I uninstalled all approved mods and never installed them again
The only mod I use that I feel could be considered cheating is one hit gold. I do feel it solves the whole mine gold argument and makes crassus detonators less of a tedious time. 40 nitra supply pods feel cheap to me but I don't really care if others use it, there was one I remember where supply drops were free but on a long cooldown and that mod seemed more balanced.
I mean in the end I join missions instead of hosting them 95% of the time and most of those missions you join are unmodded anyway.
When I fist went through the list of mods and checked out what I might get, I instinctively avoided the ones that I KNOW I would've used to cheat bc I have no self control and I would've exploited tf outta those mods. You brought up almost everyone that I looked at and didn't get lmao. I know for a fact that if I give myself that option I'll definitely make the game unfun for myself
Game tools, do you think it could have an aproved version that only allows hostile and non-resource boosting enemies to be spawned en-mass. By this an good example is that you could summon an indefinate amount of bulk dets, but Crassus bulks would NOT be a summon option. This would mean that hoarders, lootbugs, prospectors, korloks, and so on would not be an available spawn option. On this note, dwarf items like grenades and turrets would also not be an available spawn. What are your thoughts on this for an approved mod that allows for naturally impossible fights whilst not being AS abusable at all for progression.
I dont agree with the root argument. I dont really see the problems with "cheating" mods. You Always know If people are using them in your Team and they cant Join. This drg is not a pvp competitive game. And if people really want to cheat some resourses (with mods they have to go through missions, even though easy) or just download a save editor from the internet and adding yourself enough of everything. Living with this knowledge really makes every other problem dust.
Thank you for the video. These guys who use the mods which make the game just a casual walk through the DARK caves probably download it for fun. Because if we're talking about a people who are reeeally that bad that they even need these mods... if there will be 3% of them, I would still hardly believe in it.
I would like to watch the video about the game settings and some kind of tricks to improve performance/fps. Including some mods maybe.
I object to this, as one:
GSG has actually stated the reason they allow progress, "Making the game moderately easier is a very inefficient way to boost your progression; you still have to go through the mission loop. Improving your win percentage is not comparable to spawning millions of gold in a mission... ...If you use these mods to get an advantage in missions, you are more likely to be bored as you make the game easier than intended. We have spent a lot of time tweaking the game to be as engaging as possible."
and two, I object to his "solution", with current swarm control you could either:
make missions easy, which doesn't really increase xp / materials that much
make missions easy for recording
make a bunch of praetorians spawn because you find fighting them fun
make missions harder because you're bored and want a challenge
with your version you could:
make missions easy for recording
not make missions easy, SLIGHTLY lowering the speed players progress for the timespan it takes to download wemod
(and this is actually one of the objections to the war on drugs, if you outlaw heroin, people start buying fentanyl)
make enemies harder but you can't finish the mission so you can't actually progress
make enemies more fun but you can't finish so you can't progress