Infanticide in Nature: Why Animals Hate Their Babies
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- Опубликовано: 17 июл 2024
- Infanticide is a surprisingly common behaviour in the animal kingdom. Today, I talk about why that is, evolutionarily! Please ignore the junk in the background of my room.
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0:00 Introduction
2:06 Male Infanticide
3:56 Female Infanticide
4:50 Filial Infanticide
6:02 Human Infanticide
6:44: Why don't we kill babies anymore?
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pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9106823/
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When my uncle married a single mother of two, the first thing he did was drive out both of her underage kids by means of abuse, including starving them. He wanted no part in raising another mans kids and the mother readily accepted it and immediately bore him two kids of his own. Step parents are often monsters, it is not a myth that they want to eliminate the previous offspring.
Woman are no different either, I know women that left their children for another man.
If the father cared, the woman wouldn't be a single mother
The fact that your uncle did that just means that he's a piece of human dogshit. That's in no way indicative or suggestive of normative behavior in humans. This is not common behavior at all, it's exceptionally memorable bad behavior. For every subhuman psychopath or sociopath like your uncle, there are 100 'normal' people who won't treat their children or the children they choose to raise like human garbage. The fact that the mother went along with it is absolutely horrifying. None of this is normal in our Western society. I've lived in the poorest neighborhoods in my part of the world for decades and most people do not behave that way. Most poor folks I know would go out of their way to make it a point to make the adopted children feel included.
I have a friend who married a woman with a very autistic child. He's been with her for ten years and he still cares for that boy to this day. He has other children, but calls him his 'first born'. People like that are common. People like that are why we have a society at all, and why people like that garbage bag you call an uncle and the cold bitch he married are such obvious examples of human trash. Most people are good, and you don't remember them at all. They just live their lives and help people when they can. If people like that are the only people you know, then you need to get the fuck away from them. Please, for your own sake.
I 100% realize that my own perspective is probably very heavily biased in the opposite direction of yours, but the reality is probably between our views somewhere. I just don't accept that this should be considered 'normal' behavior in humans. I've been poor most of my life, and I've seen lots of bad shit, but people always help each other, and I know a lot of good and highly dedicated step fathers and mothers. I hope you're not trapped in a bad situation your self. I'm also sorry for my horrible language and tone, but I feel it's the only way to convey how horrible your uncle is being/has been.
That is why you don't become a clean-up-bro aka a step dad. You become a passportbro in order to have your own wife and your own kid. No reasonable man wants to raise another man's kid. Those who don't are lower in the chain do.
@@martinkunz7155 the majority of divorces are initiated by women, some are legit, abuse, infidelity, but the vast majority are because the woman claims she is "unhappy". The courts favor the women over the men so slow down there, and don't be so quick to assume its all on the guy and not on the women.
Me and my father use to raise hundreds of rabbits and we had an issue of females eating their offspring. My dad starting feeding her raw hamburger meat and she never killed her young again. My father said he thought it was something missing in her diet.
Damn 😮 so she wat her kids to Fulfill that dietary need! And smart on your dads part
Raw hamburger meat. Like ground beef?
Protein
It's like chickens eating their own eggs (to be fair eggs can be laid even when a chicken is infertile or not mated with a male, and I've never seen a hen eat her babies after she's gone broody.)
Or a human eating their own snot. Kinda of gross, but recycling your bodies nutrients.
You know, he could be onto something
"Infanticide would definitely ruin your reputation" truly is THE understatement of the year.
I dunno Nestle is still pretty big
...and Casey Anthony got the innocent verdict.
What other way can you describe it?
@@me-tj5vr
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Hippies: "We humans are so mean and destructive! We must learn from animals"
The animals:
Those are people who know nothing yet they scream with confidence. They live under a roof, with loving family, have technology, they just have everything that animals could only, dream of ,yet they claim we are the worst or that it's just better to live like animals. Just hypocrites.
@@rokos.1239 we should be grateful we weren’t created as animals
@@Mohamed58290 Humans are animals though? plus we do similar/identical horrible stuff that wild animals do. We aren't really better just cause we're not supposed to live outside. 🤔
@@Notmykid784 the difference being that we mostly disprove these kind of behaviors... Mostly...
@@Notmykid784 maybe in very modern times mate. Dont be so naive. Everything animals have done, humans have done throughout history 100x worse (holocaust) for example and animals only act out their instinctive behaviour while we do shit because we like to.
till end of 1800 it was still pretty common to abandon one or more of your kids if you couldn't feed the whole family, a lot of fairy tales speaking about "kids left in the woods by their parents" are expression of that.
Why do you think abortion is still popular now? Unborn babies are dehumanized to make it acceptable.
My husband's grandfather was sold into slavery cause his mom couldn't provide for him. This was in the 1940s
Celtics blamed fairies and believed sickly babies were changelings to ease their guilt after leaving them to die in the woods
@@SK-rs1hu What country was that in? And do you mean 'de facto' slavery? As in not 'officially' sold as such, but all the parties involved (except the kid, I guess) knew what was up?
@@DefinitelyNotAMachineCultist USA. Yes, defacto slavery as you call it. He was doing farm labor. His sister went with him. Eventually she married to get out and he ran away and joined the military. They were white but from a very poor family. Their dad died and I can't remember either mom was sick or just had too many kids or both. and women couldn't have bank accounts back then, not on their own at least. Food stamps and a lot of the other services we take for granted nowadays didn't exist either so she didn't have a lot of choices to feed and shelter her children
I'm surprised that weak offspring didn't come up. I grew up with cats. When they had kittens, they would not care for, "The runt of the litter" this was a weak kitten that was smaller and less developed than the others. One time we decided to care for a runt. We named her Alla, and fed her milk, and kept her clean until she grew up. But she was very clumsy, she was rejected by the other cats. She ended up falling down the stairs, having a seizure, and dying at just two years old.
right, i've also heard of animals killing their babies if they are born with birth defects. i imagine the reason is to save more resources for the healthy children
This, birds, fishes, and many mammals cull their weak offspring, it's actually a pretty big reason for infanticide and its not discussed in this video
We had a runt, who we raised.
He was the most personality filled creature i had ever met.
The smartest animal I had ever met.
"God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?"
Friedrich Nietzsche 1882
Humanity saw what happens when God is put to death in the horrors of the 20th century. 20 million souls murdered under the "National Socialist German Workers Party", 60 million souls murdered through the reign of the "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" to name just two examples of many. Evil molevolence is real. If that is the case the opposite must exist.
The atheist argument inevitably leads to there is no such thing as good and evil. Nor order and chaos, just the desert of nihilism now that God is dead. If natural selection is the one law that governs then might equals right. But events such as the Nuremberg Trials say otherwise. Humans have a higher calling than animals which are governed by cause and effect. Mankind has the capacity of good and evil. When evil went on trial and was found guilty. Regardless of race, creed, ethnicity or religion everyone said yes the Holocaust is evil. My argument is that evil is real, if evil is real than the opposite must be true. Good is real and the light shines in the darkness.
John 1:
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Rather a sad fate, sucks that happened man
My stepmother wanted nothing to do with raising kids from another woman. She did whatever she could to drive us off, and eventually tried to kill me, the kid who refused to leave her father. I had to marry to escape. She never had any other kids, because, surprise-surprise, my dad felt he was too old to have anymore babies after his only two were college-aged. He wanted to be a grandfather in the next ten years, not a parent, and she went ballistic on me.
She ended up leaving after cheating on him, which is funny because my father initially got with her because he was cheating on my mother. His reasoning was that he had a right as a man to spread his seed far and wide, but how dare women have a choice!
My step father did the same, he's even worse than that.
There's no such a "men's seed". Children have 50% dna from mothers, not only from father.
That was a ride
How hard is for people to take care of their own children and raise them next to their partner???
I can tell my boyfriend doesn't want to have children with me because he already raised his nephews because their dad left my bfs Sister and there's no justice for those kids, neither for my boyfriend who always works hard for his whole family.
Oh boy your dad and stepmom sucks hard 😮
I know generally speaking us guys don't want to take care of another man's kids but thank God were not like animals my step dad loved me like i was his own child and he taught me how to drive i will forever appreciate him
It's only generally guys who are terminally online and got addicted to bullshit internet stuff that have a problem with the concept. Normal people either are okay with it or just personally don't want to be one.
People are not willing to ruin their nature loving fantasy, they forget how hard we humans have fought to create our own "nature"
It has been less than a century since the most destructive war in known human history.
Thank you. It seems like everyone cares for animals more than each other.
@@KingOfThePirates101 How are human beyond animals?
Human are animals 💀 we just have a more complex consciousness compared to other animals
@@l6e6i6n"God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?"
Friedrich Nietzsche 1882
Humanity saw what happens when God is put to death in the horrors of the 20th century. 20 million souls murdered under the "National Socialist German Workers Party", 60 million souls murdered through the reign of the "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" to name just two examples of many. Evil molevolence is real. If that is the case the opposite must exist.
The atheist argument inevitably leads to there is no such thing as good and evil. Nor order and chaos, just the desert of nihilism now that God is dead. If natural selection is the one law that governs then might equals right. But events such as the Nuremberg Trials say otherwise. Humans have a higher calling than animals which are governed by cause and effect. Mankind has the capacity of good and evil. When evil went on trial and was found guilty. Regardless of race, creed, ethnicity or religion everyone said yes the Holocaust is evil. My argument is that evil is real, if evil is real than the opposite must be true. Good is real and the light shines in the darkness.
John 1:
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
I grew up with an abusive narcissist, he had a very clear hierarchy among his children: up top are the children he fathered with a woman he was married to, then the one who he fathered out of wedlock, then the step kids. None escaped the abuse but there was an obvious difference in the type and severity.
I've heard the term narcissist so much this year. Like fk.
Bros tryna recreate North Korea in your home 😭
@@a.mp.m7340I have heard the therm Tik Tok a lot lately too buddy. I think its related...
@@a.mp.m7340much like the other “-ists,” it is entirely meaningless now, only being used to describe someone another person doesn’t like
@@SCP--oz6ozthat isnt valid in this comment at all though, what op said their father did are all narcissistic tendencies parents show.
You are a legend for putting this on RUclips. This creator deserves all the subs. Not afraid of putting up videos like this and getting demonitized or whatever. A hero.
As someone who studies animals for a major and in my free time, I thought this was a fantastic short video essay. You were completely respectful and yet factual, and even touched on why we as humans generally find things like this abhorrent even though they are common in other animals. Great video, man.
Really great vid. Some notes:
- Filicide is far more common in animals that reproduce often and in multiples (e.g., a litter). It's one reason why it is probably so hard for humans to understand the rationale, as we invest incredible amounts of time and effort into one child. If you're a bunny however, and you're churning out 4-6 babies per litter that are almost self-sufficient upon birth, killing one or more of them to free up resources makes more sense, especially if the one you sacrifice is smaller or weaker than the others. In cases like fish where they're having broods in the thousands, the fry are arguably no different than sperm -- many are made in a big batch, only for 1 to actually amount to anything. Basically, the value of a life goes down quite a lot in certain species because they simply cannot value individual lives the same way in order to survive.
- Infanticide is (probably) more common in primates because we're so intelligent. We'd like to associate our intelligence with compassion and kindness, but intelligence in the animal kingdom almost always results in some really creatively cruel ways to inflict violence on others, as well as the tendency of being violent for petty non-survival reasons. We still see this showing up in our behavior too -- if someone is trying to hurt your feelings, they might try to insult your mother, spouse or child instead of insulting you directly, because to us, that is potentially a lot more hurtful. With primates, you often see babies becoming collateral damage in acts of revenge, almost as a sort of punishment towards the parents (and the target could be the mother, unlike in acts of dominance where the father is always the target). You also see infants dying after being stolen from mothers for various reasons, even if they didn't kill them outright, as the baby ends up starving in the process. I.e. intelligence creates a bit more selfishness, and babies get caught in the crosshairs of intelligently selfish behavior all the time.
I'm currently expecting my own baby soon. It's been really interesting perspective for me, because I've spent a lot more time observing pregnancy and child-rearing in other animals where babies are not prioritized in quite the same way. But once you're around animals enough, you realize there is a logic to behaviors we'd consider cruel and barbaric -- and that it's a mistake to assume that logic is compassionate. Nature is indeed very logical, often to a cut-throat level. What makes humans so cool is that we can value each other's lives with a level of compassion that results in a ton of cooperation, which other animals cannot enjoy. It's helped us pass down information across generations much more efficiently and has also allowed us to have childhoods that are a hell of a lot more innocent and worry-free than most other species.
Well said, very articulate! I hope your crotch goblin grows up strong and healthy.
"We'd like to associate our intelligence with compassion and kindness, but intelligence in the animal kingdom almost always results in some really creatively cruel ways to inflict violence on others,..."
That's an absurd statement. If that were even remotely true, nothing would or could cooperate and there would be no complex life. Animals cooperate and avoid conflict 99% of the time. How could you even come to this conclusion? And humans being the most intelligent of all animals means that we are the paragons of intelligence on this planet which means you're basically directly implying that humans are wired to almost always act with cruelty.
@@dogamusprime1123 i dont think hes saying intelligence inherently leads to cruelty and violence in all cases, just that its a double edged sword that allows more cruelty
>Nature is indeed very logical, often to a cut-throat level.
exactly!
@@dogamusprime1123 Intelligence is marked by both, but what I'm saying is that people often fail to recognize just how common violence is amongst intelligent creatures. They go hand in hand. Dolphins, chimps and humans for example, are all highly intelligent and cooperative animals -- they're also some of the only species who kill things just for fun. You'll find that violence is a group bonding exercise within all three species. Chimps will go out of their way to make death as violent and painful as possible when fighting in territorial or dominance disputes, focusing the damage on the face and genitals and continuing to attack long after they've won the conflict. You can even expand this beyond obvious examples to include other types of intelligent, high levels of organization like ants, and you'll still find that same correlation between intelligence, cooperation, organization and violence. But it gets tricky at that level because how you define intelligence starts to matter quite a bit.
This is a great reminder that we aren’t as far from other animals as we may think. We wonder why so many “evil” things happen but often ignore or straight up refuse to look at the reasons why. When many of the same things we experience show in our closest living relatives. Excellent video and love the way you looked past the “bad” to understand it.
animals don't have morality, we do. otherwise, anything can be justified. One may feel comfortable spouting such nonsense as that there is no morality, until something happens to you.
"The Devil!"
Biologically we are still very closely related to apes (obviously) and other mammals. As a society we have removed ourselves so far from nature though, that many people think: „Nature is good and peaceful, Humanity is bad and evil“
When in reality it couldn‘t be further from the truth. Yes we wage wars, yes we discriminate, rob, murder, and destroy. But compared to mother nature we have developed so far as a human society we could be seen as saints
It is a comfortable middle-class delusion common in rich countries that child killing and abuse of less powerful people in a social group is rare and unmentionable and not worthy of deep study. Western society thinks nothing of formulating and implementing numerous safety rules and procedures in the workplace in view of physical dangers faced by workers but does not give the same effort towards the study of violence in family groups and among peer groups such as in schools and workplaces.
These things happen and are quite common, common enough to be almost ordinary behaviour and it is not helpful to think of them as rare or the product of grossly abnormal individuals or minds.
Such categorising of violent behaviour gives authorities a way out of first studying such behaviour in depth and then implementing welfare and support plans to mitigate such behaviours in future.
"God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?"
Friedrich Nietzsche 1882
Humanity saw what happens when God is put to death in the horrors of the 20th century. 20 million souls murdered under the "National Socialist German Workers Party", 60 million souls murdered through the reign of the "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" to name just two examples of many. Evil molevolence is real. If that is the case the opposite must exist.
The atheist argument inevitably leads to there is no such thing as good and evil. Nor order and chaos, just the desert of nihilism now that God is dead. If natural selection is the one law that governs then might equals right. But events such as the Nuremberg Trials say otherwise. Humans have a higher calling than animals which are governed by cause and effect. Mankind has the capacity of good and evil. When evil went on trial and was found guilty. Regardless of race, creed, ethnicity or religion everyone said yes the Holocaust is evil. My argument is that evil is real, if evil is real than the opposite must be true. Good is real and the light shines in the darkness.
John 1:
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
these videos are so good and insanely well-written. I'm surprised you don't have more viewers/subscribers.
Good thing we humans develop empathy easier. Also we are able to see small beings with big eyes as being cute which triggers us to want to behave in the complete opposite of being violent
This is quite the opposite. Cute aggression exists.
Wouldn't say we develope empathy easier. Dolphins and whales have a very developed paralimbic lobe and 3 times more spindle neurons than humans. That enable them a deeper processing of emotional information. So dolphins and whales probably have more complex emotions than humans and other primates.
We still have a loooooooong way to go. look at how we elvoved, we're generally extremely smart and productive in a highly efficient way, yet our empathy still sucks ass relatively speaking.
@@loganwolv3393 i think humans would love to believe that they're the most "empathetic of all the animals TM" because of how advanced we are with our technology and intelligence in general, so "how are we not also the most empathetic ones?? it totally makes sense!" but it's simply not true.
Pathological Altruism has likely been the reason for keeping empathy to relatively tighter circles, like family, ethnic-group, race, etc.
In-group/Out-group dynamics typically stay among these lines in the majority of cases, as behavioural similarity and shared genes promote cohesion, cooperation and shared interests -- as-well as Koinophilia acting to reduce outbreeding, and maintain average traits.
It's been shown that the Ethnocentrism tactic wins out against the Humanitarian tactic over time, and so it makes sense that empathy is stuck where it is.
Out-group cooperation/symbiosis can work, as we see all the time.
But it requires majority cooperation from all out-groups.
This requires a wider notion of empathy, but as said: Without logic to keep it in check, self-destructive pathological altruism runs rampant.
We start destroying our own food sources, or attempting to save and cooperate with peoples/individuals that are highly ethnocentric or wildly differing in behavioural proclivity, without first vetting them for levels of ethnocentrism.
This video will not see the light of day until you get super popular. I'm patiently waiting for that to happen.
Aw I really appreciate it!
Looked at this vid for 10 seconds and immediately thought the same thing 😭😭
Hey this just popped up in my recommend. I’m stunned by how low the viewers are. Subbed and this is the first video i watched
Got this in my recommendations. Leaving a comment for the algorithm.
Au contraire, it was my first recommendation. Great channel.
Super demonetized, but fascinating topic. Great watch indeed.
7:56 didn’t know chickens have orges
@@speak-the-red-letters😅😅😅
@@speak-the-red-letters Yep. You can't have too many roosters in your flock or they ride the girls ragged and they start loosing all the feathers on their backs.
@@speak-the-red-lettersthey always do I’m from pr and a lot of people including my gradma always had chickens running around and before they went to climb up the tree for bed they always did what the video shows
@@speak-the-red-lettersthat’s not an orgy, that’s rape
I was helping this guy raise some puppies and he showed up at my door one day with one of the puppies in terrible condition, with a makeshift splint on his leg. The puppy would move around in circles displaying clear symptoms of brain damage and I feared the worst I feared he had done it. As it turns out it was the puppies own mother that attacked him and broke its leg. Even for someone that knew very little about dogs at the time, I knew that his mother had tried to kill him because he wasn’t going to make it anyways. I figured right then and there that his brain damage was inherent and she knew she wouldn’t be able to take care of him. I took him to the vet so that they could put him down and that kid never forgave me. Even after the vet explained that it was a severely deformed pup
LOL you demonic animal goes from writing I fear he did it to a 180 Switch up
Just discovered your channel. Amazing, well-produced, well-researched essays. Great work! Can't wait to see more! ❤️
Heavy stuff but interesting as always! It is my understanding that historically, infanticide (or abandonment) was a common answer to scarce resources. Having an additional child would reduce the chance of survival for existing children, so in times of war or famine lots of children were killed or left to die from exposure (or hopefully be found, though apparently this sometimes meant the child was now a slave). Anyway I'm sure the mother was upset but doing what she thought she had to do to save her pre-existing children.
Yeah, you’re right about food scarcity being a major driver. Birds actually do the same thing and throw babies out when they have too many to care for.
Yds and its the weakest child with the worst genetic that gets killed because you have one mouth less to feed that will probably die on its own sooner or later anyway
Even up to modern times in Ireland many children taken from their mothers or abandoned by them were taken into Magdalene Laundries where they were in all but name slaves. Many such people had to emigrate to other countries and hid their identities because they would be returned to these institutions if found by the police. Everyone in so-called "polite society" was in on this evil practice, the Church, Police, the judiciary even parents of the usually unwed mothers who formed a vast bulk of the people so imprisoned. Other groups imprisoned in these institutions were the children of poor people or people deemed "immoral" by the prim and strict standards of the recent past.
Infanticide was also common enough in Ireland to be the subject of some songs such as the very dark "Well below the Valley" and the more darkly comical "Woman in the woods" in the Irish song tradition.
Cases of babies being found dead on a beach and secret births in secluded places leading to the death of both mother and child have happened and have led to changes in the laws governing childbirth and early infant welfare and supports for mother and child in such cases where they lack the money to care for themselves.
"God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?"
Friedrich Nietzsche 1882
Humanity saw what happens when God is put to death in the horrors of the 20th century. 20 million souls murdered under the "National Socialist German Workers Party", 60 million souls murdered through the reign of the "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" to name just two examples of many. Evil molevolence is real. If that is the case the opposite must exist.
The atheist argument inevitably leads to there is no such thing as good and evil. Nor order and chaos, just the desert of nihilism now that God is dead. If natural selection is the one law that governs then might equals right. But events such as the Nuremberg Trials say otherwise. Humans have a higher calling than animals which are governed by cause and effect. Mankind has the capacity of good and evil. When evil went on trial and was found guilty. Regardless of race, creed, ethnicity or religion everyone said yes the Holocaust is evil. My argument is that evil is real, if evil is real than the opposite must be true. Good is real and the light shines in the darkness.
John 1:
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
@@daninblue
Dang... that's brutal
There is nothing more cruel and unforgiving than nature
the cruel mother in much cases
Humans have tortured other humans for days on end and done the same to nature itself
Humans are far crueler than nature. But humans can also love far more than nature can
The incel has entered the chat looking for the closest woman to blame for literally everything
gay ppl be like .... animal do it all the time , must be good 😂
@@Fridge_Fiend Humans that are self-aware outside of basic instinct/behavior will realize how torment is pointless to act on. Aggression, exclusion and scapegoating is natural impulse, some are more susceptible to this. Animals have done the same with each other meaning behavior and nature are indistinguishable through ecology. Nature harms to harm, animals harm for self preservation. While humans use it in a way to suppress opposition in hopes everyone is aligned with a common moral justification. Human exclusion is based on harm of the collective good, vice versa.
Dude, this video was amazing! So informative, clearly well researched, you're very personable and you keep it sorta light by sprinkling jokes in too, please keep making more friend ❤
You’re gonna blow tf up. Just keep putting out these quality vids
A few years ago i was at a friends flat where he had a female cat with a liter of about 4/5 very young kittens. She perched them in the top most slab of a cupboard (dont know how to call it), probably around 1.70m high. My friend, scared that the kittens would be hurt if they fell, had put a ton of blankets and pillows on the floor. He wanted to move them somewhere safer, but didnt for a reason i dont remember, i found the it reasonnable at the time
While we were playing videos games in the same room, a kitten fell off into the blankets, crying for his mother. She ran to him immediatly, but after around 5s of licking it, she started to maul it, killing the kitten in seconds, then ate it
It happenned so fast that we didnt have any time to process any of what was happenning before the dead was done, we were both paralysed, watching a mother eat its child, a child she was nurturing seconds before
We parted ways soon after for unrelated reasons, so i dont know of what happenned of the mother or of the remaining kitten, but that was a kinda traumatic event for the both of us
That’s why they say trust a dog not cat!!!
Because it was going to die from the fall so she killed it.
@@SchoolOfUnlearning3dogs are perfectly capable of doing the same.
@@kosminn really?
@@SchoolOfUnlearning3 Yes.
you cover the most unexpected topics but they're always very very interesting
Thank you! Glad you find them interesting.
I heard years ago some humans do murder their children shortly after birth and the reason for that is uncontrollable rage and blaming after pains of pregnancy. Patients who did that report regret and even show signs of depression. Living being including humans are prone to being controlled by hormones and there’s no better explanation than bad luck.
Sounds like a never ending prison sentence is needed
there was a mother who was about to give birth, who jumped off the hospital building and died with her baby in her, because her mother-in-law refused epidural for her and apparently her pain was too bad that she'd rather die. don't ask me what country it was.
btw, mothers who have severe postpartum depression have found tendencies to harm their babies too. Their PPD can get so bad that they start hallucinating things like their baby wasn't born yet, thinking a doll was their baby, thinking their real baby was a demon, etc.
@@jenealeverett2269 to my impression, mothers who kill their own babies more often weren't taken care off, ie animals eating a few of their litters out of hunger/thirst and to gain strength, or when they realize they can't make enough milk to keep the babies alive, or when there're threats and they can't care for them all, women harming their own baby due to postpartum depression, women abandon or abuse their own children to keep a male provider.
This reminds me of all the babies found in the septic tank in Ireland. It's so Catholic and abortions where not allowed. Women were seen as wayward or loose if she got pregnant for any reason out of wedlock.
It’s not just emotions like rage ffs it’s a phenomenon caused by a full blown postpartum psychosis. Some women who have experienced it didn’t even remember what they attempted to do and absolutely loved their babies after it passed. Psychosis can make you do all kinds of bat shit insane things. Hormones aren’t a sole trigger if it. Human birth is very difficult, the baby head size compared to the birth canal is HUGE. Pretty much no species of animals have that of a difficult birth. So the immense pain and death panic (pain in the abdomen and pelvis area can often cause strong feelings of impending death causing panic, people who get tattoos on their stomachs often report feeling impending death and anxiety. It’s not just pain but rather the location of pain, close to vital organs) combined with hormone shift can trigger a severe case of psychosis.
You simply can’t blame someone who is under the influence of psychosis of anything they do, they are not in the right state of mind and their actions are not representative of their values and feelings.
Violence towards newborn babies are very rare, it does NOT happen often. Even in cases of postpartum psychosis it doesn’t have to cause violence against the newborn it can just be crying or trying to run away or self harm.
I know of a woman who gave birth and attempted to put her baby in the trash can (she was stopped by the nurse) she was acting crazy for about 20 minutes and afterwards she didn’t remember anything of it. The pregnancy was planned and she was overjoyed about having a child when she was pregnant after the psychosis passed she was very loving and caring for the baby and shocked when told about her behaviour 20 min ago. The birth had been difficult and she almost died, which probably triggered the psychosis. The is an amazing mother and have 3 children in total today.
Speaking of things like infanticide and child abuse, here's a great book about it and how far reaching the consequences are, including for society:
*The Origins of War in Child Abuse* by Lloyd deMause. It's publicly available.
i checked the book out. the author twists a lot of “sources” to fit his narrative
@@jiminstinyhands7776then we go onto the sources and read those!!!
@@jiminstinyhands7776 his narrativ e is what?
This was an insanely entertaining and well made video dude... you deserve way more attention. This is legitimately very interesting and probed me in ways I didn't expect, especially considering how often infanticide has happened in history. Great stuff Dani 👻
Insanely entertaining is... Pretty odd word choice.
@@jorami4838 for the content sure but his editing, jokes and the footage are a good watch
Insanely entertaining? wtf... take a psycho test dude
Entertaining? You mean informative right? right?..
These are the kind of videos that make RUclips such a gem. Being able to collaborate research outside mainstream to broaden our perspective and help us make connections that we probably would not otherwise have access to, because who thinks of looking this up? With all the inconceivable current events of mothers killing their babies, being able to look to nature for reasoning and possible solutions by at the very least understanding the issues is priceless. You def point to something that needs more research no matter how disturbing.
I believe RUclips will be the new peer-review platform thriving outside the esoteric academia field.
youtube definitely is the thriving plattform for esoteric bullshit, lots of misinformation and unresearched opinions
But of course, RUclips censors a lot of stuff that aren't palatable to the rabid Left.
Yeah unfortunately RUclips /google IS the establishment or they are atleast in bed with the establishment so they will help to suppress reality that doesn’t fit within their Disney-dystopian sanitized view of the world
This is a very fascinating subject that most wouldn’t want to discuss due to the taboo nature of it thank you for taking a chance and going out of the norm
I watch a lot of nature documentaries and they often mention how male lions or bears might kill the young that are not theirs but apart from that they never show it and rarely talk about it so I have always wondered why it happens. Now I finally have my answer, thank you!
I was raised on a farm i raised a bunch of rabbits space was limited. the population and burrows got crazy they never where never low on food but the infanticide did begin. My solution was too give away the rabbits for free on ksl only to find out they where spreding infanticide to rabbits who never showed that behavior.
That’s wack bro
My brother showed me your video today and I'm glad he did. Very entertaining, I love your sense of humour, thank you for making this and I hope you'll soon find a larger audience!
Thank you so much! I really appreciate the words!
i read mother isntead of brother and got worried XD
Weird video to show to your brother lol
very brave of you to capture this topic. and you did a great job on the research part. especially these dark human sides need to be watched out, so it was a very good idea to also include this part in the end
I wanted to scroll past this video because it’s dark and stuff, but I just felt like I needed to learn. Very nicely worded 👍 talking about tough subjects is super important
My grandparents use to have a rabbit farm, and every time the female rabbit gave birth to a new litter, they would bring a huge bowl of watered down oat meal (made with millets and oats and such) for the mother rabbit so she wouldn't eat their young. They always thought the female rabbits would do it to get enough nutrients so sacrificing some of her babies so the other can survive.
And here I was telling a sibling just yesterday that other animals don't do the horrible things humans do.. and now I see this video.
you think animals does not do horrible things?
Most animals do not have a concept of “horrible things” in the way humanity does. There are traits and actions that lead to the survival of the individual and their genetic material; these can be altruistic or cruel. Very few animals on earth even have the capability to create a framework around what is right and wrong, and we are one of them.
@@opossumboyo It's worth mentioning that on top of the 'genetic survival' and 'amorality' stuff, many species have displayed documented instances of what could only be called sadism. From insects to mammals like dolphins.
Anyone who thinks cruelty is a uniquely human thing needs to touch grass. Literally…
this generation is full of delusional disney crap
@@DefinitelyNotAMachineCultist no it isn't but I find humans to be more cruel because animals there doing it for survival humans are doing it for ego seriously only in humans can someone kill thier child because it was born the wrong gender
Thanks for doing a good job on covering such a difficult topic, You seem to have done a lot of research!
Great video! I can’t believe this dude only has 13k subs. Definitely changing that now!
You should have gotten more into the cinderella effect and child abuse as potentially being linked to infanticide and fitness behaviour. You already did such a good job explaining everything else and you seem very analytical so it would have been very interesting to see how far we can explore that.
I think they are interlinked but I don't think child abuse is just about natural selection. It's mostly about predatorial vampiric males.
Nah
No don’t link child abuse to this. Child abuse is because of sadism, narcissism and psychopathy. Here, the lions know the cubs can’t survive in the brutal world due to defects. So they want to nip it in the bud instead of facing a life long suffering. They are not torturing their cubs everyday.
@@SchoolOfUnlearning3 fresh meat too at the end of the day if its going to be eaten anyway only fair its by the parent who will need it for theyre own survival and feeding the other kid
@@samuelduchesne5841gt fo cre tin
you’re amazing man, i can see you reaching hundreds of thousands in no times if that’s your goal!
i’ve only seen like two and i already love the videos, will stick around 👍
Thank you so much! Hope to see you around 🙏
really good and interesting video! also totally unrelated, but your hair looks incredible!
Great channel. I love your biology-heavy approach to topics involving behavior and psychology.
I always enjoy when I find a small channel with amazing production value. The quality rivals channels with larger audiences, and budgets.
Wow, thank you!
Great vid, you’re clearly a thoughtful person
Dope, vid dude. Thanks for the info.
The only time I smiled during this whole video was that Maury glowing eye zoom, well done for bringing light(heartedness) to this difficult subject.
Wonder how many siblings Simba lost to Mufasa's jaws.
He's the only cub we see besides Nala....
really nice content brother, you gonna blow up!
I think not nurturing or protecting offspring is also related to infanticide because some newborn of certain species require that in order to survive. So even if the parent or adult doesn't actively kill newborns, ignoring or abandoning them has the same outcome of early death.
An extremely serious topic that you are somehow able to handle with ease and poise, not back away from how dark it can get with out being exploitative and keeping a light hearted enough tone that i think a middle schooler would be able to handle this. Well done.
This is a mayor challenge that science has had over the years. Anthropomorphism, infantilisation and hippie culture have prevent research on controverisal subjects in animals like infanticide and inter species violence, because many people, particularly millenials and some Gen Z want to believe that animals are "innocent victims of mankinds wrath" and that they can do no wrong when thats far from the truth.
this randomly showed up in my reccomended and man im glad i clicked on it. u are massively underrated
I really appreciate the kind words! Thanks for watching :)
This was eye opening, thank you.
You just gained a subscriber. Well done!
Incredibly interesting and very well put together! Keep it up man, I’m really interested to see what you got :)
Incredible video, i have seen a lot of animal documentaries but little to no one have treated this topic. Really interesting video. Keep up the good work
Not true, but yes, baby killing takes a tiny percentage of nature documentaries. Don't believe me? Search google for infanticide.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I support your easy going setup, being unfancy and natural. Great video!
Man ur content is always so thought provoking and informative, keep it up !! Take care ❤❤
Bro. Solid friggin video. You just popped up in my feed, the thumbnail sold me lol. This video is well written, well edited, it's a very thought provoking topic. Keep it up, dude.
Appreciate it!
Great video man, it's an intriguing subject for sure. I have never given it much thought, other than "some animals kill the offspring of their competitors" and i definitely never made a connection with child abuse.
I know someone whose step-mother is nasty to her. Right out of a fairy tale. It's taken a step further in that she tries to deny her husband from giving his daughter any money or help. And it's not because the step-mother is stingy, she gives plenty to her own son.
Or just abortion lmao... or leaving your kids for a single mother or father.
This video was very interesting, thank you
This was great you forgot a few species like seal and sealions. Also the cuddle fish is an example where infanticide doesnt happen because they don't know who the father is. The males will guard the females they mated with, but often times many males will have mated with the same.
This was a great video, nice research.
This is one of the explanations of polygamy and so on across various cultures and it makes very much sense
this is the video that introduced me to your channel, and it's all it took to win me over lol. your editing style is very straightforward with interesting visuals and consistent audio, which i appreciate since i listen to a lot of youtube videos to pass the time at work. it's a professional yet relaxed vibe and i can't wait to see ur channel grow- i hope the algorithm continues to play in your favor :)
He doesn't have any editing dude. Interlacing some clips with a static shot with trash in the background is not good "editing style". Topic is super interesting, editing is trash teir.
@@EricHamm ur mom is trash tier
Lets hope you are not readily identifiable by your bosses at work or they will quickly fill your time with real work..........
I agree his vids r great
These videos keep getting better!
thank you benpresta5193
Very interesting topic! I think a major part may have to do with altruism vs personal interests. Animals play, abuse their young, the part about animal abortion was new to me. We really are alike in so many ways, and i find it interesting to see hive minds, animals and insects literally not menat to reproduce but rather aid the society etc. I always wondered about the selfish animals and how much more real they are to me for actually striving for their own wants rather than needs. Hearing about certwin man eaters who weren't too injured to hunt regular prey gives me the freaks, but also a level of respect to them for just how almost human they seem when you read up on those deadly accounts. Great vid and I'm definitely gonna check out your other content!
At one point in my life I will be strong enough to listen to this video. That day is not today. I was amazed how accurate the intro was. It is so reprehensible of a phenomenon I don't even want to know the scientific background about it in animals.
Hands down probably the most interesting video I've seen all week. Upon that I subscribe to you sir!
It's criminal how few subscribers you have. Great video keep up the great work👍
Probably because he shoots videos with a bunch of trash in the background.
@@EricHamm probably true but doesn't matter in the context of making videos
You saved my youtube feed for the first time in a long while.
Are you a zoology major? Or do you have a zoology degree? Are you still in school? Because honestly these are really good videos and you should keep it up. I think I found you when you only had a few hundred subscribers and it’s nice to see your videos pop up in my feed.
I had pet mouse that did this to all 6 of her newborn...I fed her to my monitor lizard
👏 good for you. you killed the perverted succubus demon in Vermin form 🐭 🦎 😋
😂
Brutal
@@remotefaiththe babies
Great channel fella 🔥🙌😊
Love your stuff!!❤
"Female lions go into heat when their children get killed"
Top 10 extreme kinks
Lol
Congrats on the video blowing up🎉
Excellent video mate
2:42 "My children just died.... fuck, what a turn on"
Lion: "Hey baby! Watch this! (twists and crush skull of step-kid) would you marry me now?"
It's strange the subject is barely researched, because your right, it may offer some insight I to human behaviours
Great vid!!! Will be back for more.😊
I’m just gonna say this, without human intervention pugs would’ve never existed. And that would be a good thing.
I always knew certain animals killed their young, but i always thought it was because of food scarcity. This video is disturbingly interesting, most interesting video I've seen in a while.
Fascinating. It would also explain how so many dads abandon their children when they change female partners. So common
More like when the women get caught cheating and the men split.
I am this section the abortion clinic section?
@@JustNo8808That’s such a cope. So because you have beef with your baby mama you’ll abandon your children? That’s not any better or different than just straight up abandoning them genius
@@goomba8170 when she cheats it's not cope.
@@JustNo8808Hey,
those are still your children.
Thank you!! This is well put together and thought-out. I read a lot about infanticide but rarely about its countermeasures. It makes sense why females would develop such measures, especially if their reproductive capacity is limited. At the end of the day, they put sweat, tears and blood into into each batch of kids and permitting an act which drains all of that is hardly beneficial.
I will never forget that one time our dog gave birth and I was in the next room and I suddenly heard some crunching. I went over and saw our dog with a bloody mouth akin to a grisly scene. She had eaten a puppy! I did already know though that mammals do tend to eat weak offspring to regain some energy.
Informative & well spoken. Good job! Just a suggestion: clean-up the background so it’s not a distraction. 🤷🏻♀️
Haha, it was a messy week for me 😂but you're right. Thanks!
"I've been thinking about infanticide."
This was not something I was expecting to hear today lol
So in hamsters specifically- I'm unsure of the other animals, infanticide occurs due to a few reasons, but mainly from stress. It's thought that if a mother hamster feels too threatened or is without enough resources to raise her young, she will kill them rather than attempt to raise an unhealthy litter- the evolutionary idea of it being to not waste time on children that may not survive or put the parent in danger
Really interesting video and topic thanks
I write a setting that explores what happens if creatures from myth were allowed to evolve. Infanticide plays a big role.
For example, the hecatoncheires didn't have justification for a hundred arms and 50 heads and they are also massive, requiring a ton of resources. As a result, there's an overwhelming selection pressure to ensure that any babies who are born don't have deformities and have a useful number of arms and heads.
As a result, the species converged on very extreme sexual dimorphism, with one extremely large female and many moderately sized males that hunt for her. The female is extremely prone to infanticide, since her huge size makes her extremely hungry and because of the long history of incest, they've become very sensitive to signs of reduced fitness.
Even a brood parasite evolved to hide seemingly perfect hecatoncheires babies in the nest, giving female an overpowering desire to nurture this specimen as if it was their own and protect it from her own, more skeptical males, sometimes causing her to eat all of her male suitors and feeding them to the brood parasite, over her own babies.
Nature is messed up.
I have a mixed especies setting where infanticide and normal childhood mortality is so common it is a straight up legal grey zone.
One of the especies is even not only incredibly infanticidal but onbligate siblicidal as well even
Messed up
My step mother was horrible to me as you might imagine
I thankfully caught my cat in the act of her trying to eat its runt. Right after I took the baby out of her mouth, I picked mom up by the scarf, stood up, and I stared at her eyes, made her stare at the runts eyes, and back at my eyes for about five minutes She hasn’t returned to the litter in three months, and the kitten is growing up healthy.
The fear of a judgemental god.
So stup1d all u gotta do is feed it sonething. She lacks nutrients
You sound like Fire Princess Zuko, also this was informative and interesting.
Very interesting talking points. I hope that more research goes into the Cinderella effect, especially with our growing population of children from divorcees. About 50% divorced where I live. It’s heart breaking.
Lionesses killing cubs that are not their own is just as common as male lions killing cubs.
I didn’t know that until just now
No, it's not.....males of any species are generally more dangerous to the young
Good uncensored stuff
Subbed
Every week in Australia a child is killed by its parents or carers. I'm running for the senate as a survivor of extreme childhood violence.
Every civilisation in human history has shown - when rates of education increase, when minds and worldviews expand, when people are taught to reason, to imagine, and to dream vast dreams, rates of violence, addiction, and mental illness decline dramatically. By giving our children their own minds, by teaching them the history of the human race, by giving them immense horizons, we'll dramatically reduce infanticide...
Are you counting abortions in that statistic?
Also, I have read that heightened intelligence actually increases the likelihood of becoming depressed. I'd love to know how this is the case, yet your statement seems to contradict this. I'm not saying you're wrong or I'm right or anything, I'm just curious.
Whenever I hear people justify something because animals do it, they seem to be very insulted when I say they’re behaving like animals.
LOL TYPICAL NPC HYPOCRITE ANIMALS
You're an excellent speaker and educator and I can't wait to see how far this channel goes. Subscribed.
I really appreciate it :)
I grew up with both biological parents but my father married my mother out of interest. My father never loved my mother and largely rejected us despite being his biological children.