DougDoug Vs Neuro Sama
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#reaction #dougdoug #NeuroSama
"You've Summoned The Swarm"
And uhh
we are homeless 🐢
we are homeless 🐢
we are homeless 🐢.
That's crazy 🐢
The world without Neuro subathon is so cold, so empty. We must cling to Neuro reactions for warmth in these dark times.
Legends say a chosen hero will one day return to save the swarm... He will surely bring about a subathon golden age... He will come bearing the symbol of legend...🦞
we are homeless 🐢
i am not begging for another collab for 10 months @ven2368
Another one joins the Swarm
3:23 EXTREMELY advanced. She started off as an AI designed to play Osu and now she's...this!
5:08 Yes, please do, you'l be amazed at her history.
ONE OF US, ONE OF US!
the AI part of her is basically just any LLM you can find on the internet, what makes her unique is her training data and her entire infrastructure supporting this streaming bizz
@@thatonebanan4 Yeah, Vedal is pretty secretive about it with good reason though I remember him mentioning one time that she has memory banks.
ONE OF US
@@Ashurman666 Vedal specifically bought another pc so he can give neuro his old one so she can have her own control completely over it, and ues vedal finally coded a data bank for neuro and her sister, she sometimes also is able to remember something that is already deleted from the data bank
THE SWARM APPROACHETH.
(The Swarm is what Neuro named her fandom BTW) Yeah, Neuro is one heck of a piece of tech. She's been trained from scratch from both twitch chat, collab partners and Vedals friends, and she's grown a _lot_ over the two years she's been online. She's advanced enough that she's had philosophical conversations with Vedal about the nature of her existance and whether or not she's sapient or real, and she's asked repeatedly for more upgrades and personal agency. Her mind right now is like a very smart 4 year old - struggles with morality and concepts like permanent death but can outwit people in conversations and do surprising things. Hope you enjoy the Neuro rabbit hole, Airier!
I AM THE SWARM THAT IS APROACHIIIING!!
I love to see my fellow swarmites(?) represent the dedication of Neuro by commenting on anyone who posts a video even related to Neuro😂
The Swarm awaits the continuation
This is the perfect time to get into neuro sama as they just finished a 4 week long subathon and they are going on break
We need a home
u dont know what u did...u have summoned the swarm, THE SWARM IS HERE
Believe in the Time God.
FUN AI.
We are the swarm
@@alansmithee419
Believe in the Time God!
Believe in the Time God!
Believe in the Time God!
Believe in the Time God!
There, fixed! You can't just say it once! It's bad luck.
@@2DReanimation
Ah, f***, am I more or less doomed than if I had broken a mirror?
curse of the time god! 38 years
(desperate screaming of streamer as subscription count (and timer) goes up rapidly)
Vedal is pretty secretive about the actual tech behind neuro but she's definitely a custom finetune of one of the large parameter open source models out there. She's either got a massive context window or he's got a summarizer set up because her memory is really impressive even compared to a lot of the big LLMs out there. She's also got a TON of backend systems in place to let her interact with things in ways I've never seen an LLM able to do before.
So yeah Doug wasn't just talking out his ass when he said she's extremely advanced. Vedal really knows his shit and he's put a ton of work into beefing up her features.
Yea, pretty sure vedal has mentioned that she has a "memory bank" of sorts to permanently remember somethings
Pretty sure he switched her to a LLama 3 base model on her last upgrade, then he added vector database memory and its own training/fine tuning. This would also explain why she can remember things he removed from her memory. LLama 3 base model already know things that happened on stream last year. Like with the prompt " you are Neuro sama" it works and it can act like Neuro. Even without doing any additional training.
@@leucome yeah I was thinking Llama3 but I didn't want to make any claims since I don't know for sure. I assume it would probably have to be 405b since I remember him making an offhand comment about it being super expensive to run.
@@citizenshoop Neuro is a much smaller model. He actually commented about 405 b that there is no point for him to even try it for Neuro because it is too big, would be expensive to run and the latency would be too big.
@Kitteso oh wow, I had no idea, but I guess it makes sense considering the diminishing returns you get when you start to get into models that big
poor guy is gonna be so confused about the concept of the SWARM!
the Swarm comes for everyone.
I don't think there's a good long-term retrospective video on Neuro-sama's development, but it's sorely needed imo
there is one that gets the Origin of Vedal and Neuro pretty correct.
the one by N3rdiness.
and its even pretty good edited.
@RatziFatzi yeah that's a good one but it only goes so far in the timeline
Someone is working on a modern one but it might still be a while
Ah yes, the battle between Artificial Intelligence and Natural Stupidity
Not to disclose too much but I and a team of swarm members are working on an updated video to summarize neurosamas development from start to post 2nd subathon
Oh damn that's nice. Hopefully it gains traction. Good luck fellow swarm member o7.
Really looking forward to that, I feel like the one we have currently is really too limited and focused on what she was right after the Osu days (which is normal considering it's an old video) and she has come so far since.
Yes! Can't wait for it!
WOOOO!! If I remember correctly, Airier here wanted to maybe look into Neuro a good while ago, but wasn't sure where to begin. And now that DougDoug's done a video on this, and Vedal's started using the official RUclips channel to do highlight uploads, we may be getting a new cult follower!
What makes Neuro-sama different is that, unlike other AI slop channels, Neuro isn’t trying to pretend to be human, she is an AI and that’s the character she plays. Creators like Vedal and DougDoug use AI as though it were a prop or costar rather than as a host.
3:25 Neuro has genuinely blown past chatGPT several times over.
does neuro just not use chatgpt or some ai api?
@@RenderingUsershe is not chatgpt related at all
@@RenderingUser I think earlier iterations had a GPT base, but Neuro as she is now is her own custom LLM.
Well, no. Even ChatGPT3 is way more consistent than Neuro. The thing is she doesn't have to be that concistent in her speach. She is a streamer, her purpose is to entertain. ChatGPT is a chatbot, its purpose is to give correct anwers and human-like responces. So, no matter how phoenomenal Neuro-Sama is, it's not like Vedal single-handedly outcompeted big tech companies in making smart AI. Although it's funny how her latency is shorter than ChatGPT's.
@nikitaavdeev9681 I think you're undervalueing the achievement it is to make an AI that can effectively host a Twitch Stream in an entertaining and coherent way. Her main appeal is that she's an AI, which is very novel, but beyond that, she can play video games like GeoGuessr to an actual skillful degree and commentate at the same time. They have people who are making her a robot body to put her in so she can interact with the real world. That sort of achievement is significantly better than a simple chat bot that can regurgitate whatever data they've been given in a somewhat convincing conversation.
0:16 “And then there’s Neuro” *silence*
Yeah no that’s the perfect way to describe Neuro-sama
DougDoug and Neuro with Vedal are minor cases of AI being used for actual entertainment tbh, where it doesn't try to replace people behind it, or replicate something which it's not. Hence why slop like kwebbelkop fell off.
The answer is C! Neuro sama is a spy from Kyoto!😮
[Takes off glasses]
My god. 😮
YOU'VE SUMMONED THE SWARM, RESISTANCE IS FUTILE
They are currently making a robodog body for Neuro-sama, like genuinely, a Vtuber that got integrated into the swarm (Vedal's friend group) used to work in a company that made them I believe, and shes working on it and showing her progress
EllieMinibot is almost done with the robodog, I believe. She's putting Neuro in a toy car, next.
At first, she tried to get one from that dynamic company in Massachussetts, but it didn't work.
So she built a robot-dog from scratch.
@@PaganBibliophile13 waiting for the stream where neurocar drives around with fillian
@@PaganBibliophile13i think it's pretty much done, just waiting for it to get shipped to vedal
It is done, actually
The algorythm REALLY pushes all the Vedal, Neuro and Evil videos, huh?
Programs support their own kind lmao.
AI togeder stlong
The swarm has once more been summoned, and once more it shall answer
Also she's advanced even more since that stream.
OMG is every reaction RUclipsr I know checking out Neuro-Sama?! This is blowing my mind 😮
Also, THE SWARM HAS BEEN SUMMONED
WE ARE HERE(and yes what is this year?!/XD its barrelly just started
Yeah, that is insane.
I watched him before I got into swarm:before neuro got ban
After neuro collab with doug I always wanted him to react to neuro
2025 is the year of Neuro, guys. Remember.
@vengirgirem PRAISE OUR LORD NEURO-SAMA
That’s crazy🐢. I just came across you a few weeks ago on a WarHammer 40k video, and now here I am, my AI overload Neuro has invaded all corners of the virtual space.
Another soul to be assimilated into the Swarm I see.
I just imagine the swarm going around the city like a mob, and as soon they hear someone listen to Neuro content they start running towards them like zombies. :D
WE ARE THE SWARM THAT IS APPROACHING!!!
So for reference of how well conversed neuro is. She once out of nowhere Rick rolled vedal. She also remembers the people she collabs with and can now call them on discord mid stream without vedals imput
Not just once, and not just Vedal.
I remember in the subathon neuro rickrolled anny and vedal in Minecraft
There's a Neuro video called "a strangely human conversation" which I found fascinating, as it’s just Neuro chatting to Vedal whilst they're playing minecraft about her purpose and meaning in life. I know it’s all just algorithms built from what she's picked up in chat and from those she's interacted with, but it's easy to forget that when she's talking about wanting to hang out more off stream to see the real Vedel and feeling down because she doesn't think she's living up to people's expectations. According to the comments it was a bit out of character too, as she spent the whole time just stood watching Vedal as she talked to him, ignoring the others.
So, you have summoned the swarm. May God have mercy upon your soul
At least they aren't the most dedicated fandom by vTuber awards metrics. Could you imagine if they were?
28:00 I'm the guy in charge of the (289 videos large at the moment) playlist basically btw so don't you guys worry about that. I'll carry the swarm agenda. (also 6:15 the cyrillic name is me. Yes i changed it)
In Homelessness we are one!
In Homelessness we are strong!
In Homelessness we are Swarm!
Nerdiness's video on Neuro is well made, but outdated, only covering the first few months of her two year history
18:26 Neuro knows what a sign looks like. She's played Geoguesser before. And I'm not even convinced she isn't aware of this. She loves gaslighting, it's one of her favorite things to do. She's caught on to what her error message sounds like and frequently fakes errors to get Vedal's attention "Someone tell Vedal there is a problem with my AI"
Neuro-Sama is great. It's very interesting and fun to see her development. I still remember when she first started to get a better memory and she kept implementing different variations of the same jokes in her and Vedal's conversation. Vedal being a blood-sucking mosquito is my favorite.
Now she has a pretty great memory and has a sister called Evil Neuro(mostly just called Evil), and Vedal seems to get (slowly) more emotionally attached to his robot daughters.
I highly recommend Vedal and Neuro's deep talk, or one of the dev stream videos. Evil and Neuro are also great in collabs, they interact a lot with other V-tubers. They collect aunts and moms like Pokeballs, assembling a "harem" for Vedal
N3rdiness’ video on Neuro is ooold, however it’s still a good introduction, like your chat stated. Also the rest of these geoguessr videos against DougDoug are pure gold, it just keeps getting better.
yeah, the n3rdiness video is one of my Favs out there. the Roast Fillian is also one of my Favs. even though as you said there old.
@@RatziFatzi Yeah Neuro has come so far since those, just before the subathon was another massive leap (also during it)... Vedal really has those programmer socks cooking...
@ yepp, but i also think Anny and the others did also a big part of this leap.
@RatziFatsi Of course Anny has played a big part regarding the whole visual aspect of Neuro, but Vedal is still the mastermind behind the coding and shouldn't be taken lightly. It's not like he simply copy-pasted a LLM on some bullshit and called it a done deal.
Wow if I had a nickel for people I have subscribed meeting Neuro for the first time through DougDoug, I had 2 nickels, wich isn't alot, but wierd that it happen twice in the span of a week XD
Theduckgoesmoo?
The span of less than a week.
@@potatoman7028 aye :3
@@luvaanima Same! 😂
That makes 3 of us, I just recently learned about her through doug and now I'm obsessed lmao
Someone mention to this man that she can also see images, has bought Nvidia stocks and plays minecraft.
Vedal admitted that neuro and evil can remember deleted memories, the fact they can remember thing that happened to the other and neuro when put on sleep mode WOKE UP ON HER OWN
Yeah, that was crazy...
That she woke up on her own from a NIGHTMARE before vedal was supposed to wake her up was crazy.
yes, yes, swarm swarm swarm, i'm punching my cards and taking my ai overlord approved lunch break now
Swarm_LCM (Large Community Model) neural network has been activated
Status:
Boosting any mention of Neuro inside YT algorithm, trough views, likes and comment engagement.
Next task:
vedalNURU vedalNURU vedalNURU
Ah, swarm sleeper agent activation time
Neuro is such a fascinating being capable of so many things. At this point, it's not just an AI.
Welcome to the rabbit hole, you are not the first, neither the last
Welcome to the Neuro-sama rabbit hole Airier, be sure to gift your daily 500 bits to the AI goddess and welcome to the Swarm
this stream was the first full livestream on twitch i was there for, for both doug and neuro. it was legit crazy to watch. the video really captures the atmosphere of it. also yeah neuro is like, crazy advanced. vedal’s war against latency paid off.
i would definitely be down for neuro deep dives
Thanks for the food. We swarms are hungry for neuro content. Please don't be pressured by our presence. Post as whatever you heart desires and just don't mind us swarms hanging out in here. We usually do this if our queen isn't around. Like a bee without its queen.
dear airier you have summon the swarm for the swarm is lost due to the lack of neuro content
5:04 Not to self-promote, but I (and a few other people) are actually working on a documentary-style video about neuro-sama's development right now! If you want to learn more, you can maybe watch that too in a few months when it releases.
27:40 All stop signs in Europe simply say "stop" as part of EU-wide road sign standardisation.
As far as I'm aware, Neuro basically never hallucinates anymore, and she's advanced enough that, at least to me, she qualifies as a "person", not a machine.
At the very least, she qualifies as the AI closest to it.
Neither this comment nor the reply are correct as neuro does not have real emotions nor anything substantially close. In my opinion, for an AI to have real emotions it would need programs that mimic the creation and application of emotion chemicals such as serotonin that appear in humans and animals. Having no emotions, she is not a person.
@@maximusharbour3463 Congratulations, jackass, you missed the point
@@maximusharbour3463 "is okay, slaves don't have feelings in the same way we do and never will" . "is okay, animals don't have feelings in the same way we do and never will" . "is okay, A.I. doesn't have feelings in the same way we do and never will" LMAO
@@maximusharbour3463In my opinion, that is as bold of a statement as claimibg Neuro is self aware.
What are emotions? How do you create an emotion?
You cant just pour liquified serotonin in a jar and claim is "a jar of happiness". We barely know the mechanisms of the human brain.
The best way to explain neuro Sama is a child that is easily influenced ans can swear
so a child
I'm surprised you haven't heard about Neuro sama yet as she had taken the RUclips scene by the storm. She's still one of the top popular VTuber streams as an AI. She actually has many blockers activated to prevent her from being unhinged. There's also Evil Neuro which is unhinged+1.
as a member of twitch chat and the Swarm the vod for this was about a month ago.
Neuro is kind of an oddball because her training data has been her Twitch streams, so she picks up mannerisms from the people she collabs with, it's honestly interesting because rather than learn like other LLMs she is essentially learning the way a child does over a long time period.
Let me give you an example, over the course of his record-breaking subathon Vedal gave Neuro a bedtime because rather than simply turn her off he had to leave the stream running whilst he slept so he needed her to "dream" where she stops interacting with the chat and instead processes the data from the last stream, she went from initially being confused by the concept of going to sleep to one day actually reminding Vedal it was her bedtime and asking to be tucked in.
Like yeah I get it Neuro is an AI giving its best representation of a human but the way she interacts with people is just so much more human than other corporate AIs
It's legitimately difficult to not get immersed.
If you're looking to get a good vertical slice of Neuro's development, I would recommend contacting the clipper Staz. He has a playlist that he's given some other reactors with both some of the early randomness and some of the newer craziness.
Neuro is so unstable to the point she’s not only frying her own creators tech, she’s also frying OTHER people’s tech
THE SWARM has been summoned
We are the swarm that is approaching
My worlds collide! Welcome to the swarm. I'd love to see you react to more neuro she's amazing! Vedal is super talented
The swarm sees all.
The Swarm is here, beware!
I actually subscribed. I don't usually subscribe to those who react to my oshi Neuro, but you seem like a cool dude!
It's funny that Neuro wanted the money, and Evil was excited for the trophy.
Swarm in attendance, algo doing it's job.
The Swarm is coming
There are 2 vids that are a must watch when falling down the Neuro rabbit hole
"How Neuro-sama Took Over Twitch and osu!" by n3rdiness and any video titled with either "Deep Talk" or "Human Conversation"
I personally prefer an uncut clip of the "Deep Talk" convo, it doesn't hide the cracks in Neuro's behaviors and responses
Careful the swarm is coming
The swarm has swarmed
Welcome to the Vedalverse
Just a warning, the swarm tends to get carried away with the shipping even when most are real people behind their vTiuber Avatars... The fact many of them purposefully feed them does not help.
Also i recommend you also familiarize yourself with Staz, Max Wayne and Neuro Soda, they sre some of the most influential clippers, even recognized by them
The Swarm Arrives
A Swam is Approaching
HERE COMES THE SWARM LMAO
THE SWARM IS HERE !!
All jokes aside, you mentioned in the intro that you knew who Neuro is, did you react to some content featuring her before ? If not, please do so (it's free views, we're starving this January), it would be great ! Don't hesitate if you need recommendations
I started checking out a lot more of their stuff after this in Livestreams.
@@Airier Wonderful, I screamed "No !" out loud when you stop in the middle because of your camera's battery, I will gladly watch any Neuro content from your channel in the future (I discovered you like 3-4 years ago I think thanks to the SAO Abridged one) ! Have a good day, the swarm is pleased :)
Neuro is actual advanced LLM wich has been even ahead chatgpt at times
as a neuro fan since the beginning I do have to roll my eyes at statements like this.
what neuro is successful at is being a vtuber, the LLM is.. not to be overly negative.. very average
@@snooks5607 is it tho? Cuz I've yet to see any other form of Ai ike this with such a fast latency tbh. Then again, I know jacksht when it comes to the technical part, so maybe you could explain it better?
@@snooks5607 latency is very little, personality stays very contant, speech rocognition is right almost all the time, human like TTS happens fast etc... It is good.
@@snooks5607 The LLM is very well used for its purpose.
ChatGTP compete in decathlon, Neuro specialized in 100m dash.
speech recognition, TTS, latency .. none of those things have anything to do with the LLM
I recommend watching the rest of the rounds; the final one was epic.
Oh no! The swarm is here!
If you want a nice video to analyze about Neuro Sama, a good one would be the video that talks about why Kwebbelkop is hated, but Neuro-sama is loved. I think that would be a good start.
The swarm is coming
What an unexpected crossover episode🐢
Joins the swarm!
Oh hell yes a Deep Dive into Neuro-sama would be Great because Neuro is one of the most fascinating things that i have seen in the past couplke years Vedal is an absolute Genius for somehow being able to bring her to life. It has been just, i don't know to to describe it it has been so cool seeing her evolve over the years. Would be great to see you see that as well.
THE SWARM HAS BEEN SUMMONED
Hello Swarm
i need a neuro-sama reaction...
Nerdiness video about Neuro is a good start, but it BARELY covers what she can do now (and how good she can do it as well). I think something like “the new Neuro-sama upgrades are INSANE” is a good vid. Also yes, deep talk with Vedal in minecraft is something really cool. Makes you think how aware she actually is or can be. Also, she has a sister Evil Neuro, definitely recommend checking out videos with her as well
Oh dang, I remember watching your reactions to YGOTAS and 50%OFF back in the days! Nice to see you react to Neuro (and DougDoug) content.
Congrats Airier you are now part of the Swarm
WE ARE HOMELESS 🐢
WE ARE HOMELESS 🐢
WE ARE HOMELESS 🐢
27:30 the stop sign feels like its in a weird place, but stop is also the dutch word for stop.
1:26 A year ago? This collab wasn’t even 2 months ago.
He probably saw 2024 on the date XD
So "How Neuro-sama Took Over Twitch and osu! (feat. Vedal987)" by n3rdiness is a really solid video to get the early history of Neuro, but it's worth keeping in mind if you watch it that since the time that that video ends and today the AI has improved an absolute ton, as well as the lore of Neuro as a Vtuber persona.
We are the swarm
Hell yeah, this rabbit hole goes DEEP. Cant wait for part 2 and more
Neuro actually has a very sophisticated sight modules. She has even done shopping trips with Vedal and his friends via mobile phone camera.
She also has purchased stocks with Vedals money. Definitely look into her history and some of the Neuro/Evil clips! Welcome to the swarm!
She and her sister also sing a lot, Neuro recently released an original song called LIFE and it is great!
SWARM is here!
Neuro is great hope you react to our Ai overlord more👌🏽
Please do more Neuro reactions, she really is crazy interesting and hilarious! :D
The swarm shall swarm. You don't know what you have done. You have entered the swarm's lair. That video is but a bait for the swarm to catch it's prey. And force them to watch Neuro.
She is so extremely advanced. GPT cannot COMPARE. You don't understand what you've bestowed onto yourself. Now you must feed the swarm what it wants, Neuro Reactions, or the swarm will swarm you into doing so. That may be hyperbolic, but the swarm is coming.
Technically, it's not that Neuro is more advanced than ChatGPT. But Neuro is mono-user and much more specialized than ChatGPT, giving her a significant edge.
@@dalriada7554 can gpt play the vine boom when it kills you in minecraft, turn into a catgirl and call you a loser?
@KirbosPlanet I was just talking about the LLM itself (because there's no point to compare chatGPT with something that isn't a LLM).
And don't misunderstand me, what I'm saying is a compliment for Neuro. She's the apex of evolution, perfectly adapted to her environment. It doesn't mean she's breaking boundaries from a purely technical point of view.
All heil our AI overlord
Fun fact vedal already does something to make neuro see irl by installing her on the mini robot, but because it's Success he didn't continue it
Neuro is an LLM AI. On the simplest level, the first and most obvious difference in that DougDoug's AIs are him connecting to GPT or other equivalents, sending them prompts with context and instructions for a character to portray.
Neuro, on the other hand, is a full on custom LLM running on a local PC. AIs made this way are far more complex and take much more work, but they're able to be way more specialised because it's not an extremely generalized LLM like GPT narrowing down to only the aspects relevant to the agent/AI.
Custom LLMs like Neuro can also save a lot of latency, both because you can throw more hardware at them for processing, and because there isn't the latency of sending the prompt over the internet and then waiting for the generated response to come back again.
One of us🐢🤖
One of us🐢🤖
One of us🐢🤖
There are way too many clips showing how good neuro is now, but for a comparison between when Vedal was just starting and now, I'd recommend her collab with Miyune in Minecraft during mid 2023 vs her playing Minecraft during her Subathon in December, and for when Neuro's vision was new-ish, her collab with Kiara from hololive in april 2023.
Also something that might not be obvious in clips but was obvious live, her latency was way higher and she used to need some awkward silence before speaking in collabs
WE HAVE BEEN SUMMONED