1500+ hp Porsche 917/30 -- /GOING RACING WITH ADAM CAROLLA
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- [EPISODE 2] Adam gets the lowdown on one of the most insane racing cars in the history of motorsports: The Porsche 917/30 Can Am racecar, whose flat 12 could turn out 1,580 horsepower at full boost. Only drivers with massive titanium cojones could race this one.
1.580hp at the Porsche test bench only, in race trim "just" 1.100hp, but with lock differential, 400 liters petrol, a flammable magnesium space frame -> 0-300kph in 11,3 seconds, I think Marc Donohue never felt more alive.
An insane car, 0-124mph in 5.2sec and 0-200mph in just under 11sec.
Those are totally insane figures, even for today.
Imagine how much faster it'd be with a PDK and paddle shifters...
lmao a pdk box capable of 1500 h orse? goodluck, also this car would be sooo much heavier
Peter Lewis Yes indeed. Many racing and rallycars from the 70-80s had high power to weight figures.
Porsche needs to make a 1500hp flat 12 hypercar that just crushes the Bugattis. Just make it much lighter than a Chiron and the thing would fucking GO.
Thing is it runs a spool no differential so all power all the time. Mark Donahue said two black stripes from one corner to the next. Think there was enough power ?
This is where Jay Leno is better - asks a few questions when needed, but lets the EXPERT do 90% of the talking
This was Adam Corolla interviewing Adam Corolla. There just happened to be a Porsche museum expert standing next to him. Leno does the same thing where he likes to show the subject expert that he knows about it too. I would prefer to let the guest do all the talking with the host guiding the discussion.
who the fuck even is adam carolla?
@@riotdrone Adam Carolla is äh.... is .... the husband of Eva Carolla !
@@KrisKincaid Yes , Adam is behaving like the chief , that is not good for an interviewer .... the expert of Porsche surely knew much more to say, but he couldn t ....
Jay Leno is very good, he has only one thing that drives me crazy sometimes, and that is his tendency to interrupt the guy his talking with. For the rest he's talking out of experience, very knowledgable and very resectful. If he could only adjust that last little irk he would be "perfect".
You got Johannes Wuest, pretty much a living encyclopedia when it comes to Porsche's ... and this nitwit does most of the talking? What a missed chance.
Wuest, real genius. I like how he called the lump a “flat V-12.” I’d like to see one of those, is MC Escher the design engineer?
"So is it like this C-F or Z-F gearbox?"
"No, this is a Porsche Gearbox"
xDDDD
The engineer simply asked "what is this ZF?" LOL
@@ColdSmokes....."What is this ZF?" This "German Porsche engineer" is clueless; doesn't know ZF aka "Zahnradfabrik Friedrichshafen"? A 100 year old German gear, gearbox, auto trans, and steering box/rack including P/S pump manufacturer that is an OE supplier to Porsche, BMW, MB, Audi & Toyota. They have a plant in the US manufacturing gearboxes and suspensions for Ford & GM trucks. In fact ZF has been the official partner of Porsche Motorsport since 2010! He's like my Pops, great at the engineering math but technically clueless. To say he's not a car-guy like Adam is an understatement. Unless he doesn't understand "Z" in English; it's pronounced "tset" in German
Legend has it that Porsche had horrendous drivability problems with the 917 turbo motor, until they contracted Mark Donohue as driver. The thing would only run cleanly at certain throttle and load positions. So, Donohue was talking to the factory engineers after a test session in an effort to work out the problem. He asked how they controlled fuel'ing in relation to engine speed, airflow and load. To his amazement they said they only had control for engine speed and airflow!!! Bear in mind this was before electronic engine management, the 917-30 had a mechanical fuel injection. So he politely advised them to get some sort of load control which allegedly caused some face palming amongst the engineers! Within days they had designed and manufactured a 3D cam for the fuel pump. Once this system was dialled in, the car then became the utter beast weapon that made it legendary. Donohue was the only driver that could get anywhere near the maximum capability of the 917-30.
turboslag Agree except Donohue was the only driver of the 917K/30.
@@beyond_the_infinite2098 I took a picture of George Follmer driving the L&M liveried car at Watkins Glen.
Saw Donohue lap the field twice at the Elkhart Lake Can- Am race in 1973. Incredible machine !
@@stevezarbock8733 And incredible driver...
@@TheFirstStater Me and couple buddies rented a dilapidated out of town house,no furniture, no appliances, no garbage,totally empty except a big mounted photo of the L&M car at maybe Riverside,with the background 'speed blurred' ,with the car focused. Maybe (probably?) our good man George sawing away at the wheel.That was 40 years ago,my friend.
You are not even going to start it up?! Come on now!
MultiTerpen I too just wanted to hear the start :(
MultiTerpen
Adam looks like a slightly newer model of Jeremy Clarkson
Rubeus Hagrid Way smarter than that moron Clarkson. Adam is actually knowledgeable on cars and passionate about his collections.
but clarkson is more entertaining .
You can have formula one, you can have GTP ( or whatever they're calling it this year), but Can Am cars will always be the fastest, baddest race cars ever raced!
it was group 7 aka unlimited ....if iam not mistaken
Watched these with dad at Road Atlanta. Will never forget them. Saw Jackie Steward and Mark D race these.
Same here my friend at Laguna Stewart
Let’s not get carried away here mate
@@taskforceknight9336
Am I wrong?
Adam Carolla is lame.
Assetto Corsa ;)
Check out Empty Box's video on the 917/30, if you haven't already!
I just ripped this baby around nordschleife for like two hours, came on youtube, and I see this!
Thank you, based Kunos!
Same here. I love it on AC. Tried it the first time yesterday. Check my subs and there we go. :)
I have a friend with Assetto Corsa. Tried it loved it.
"...is it a ZF gearbox?"...what? " then embarassment coming because he's not able to explain what it is
1500 whp through a 4 speed and a spool...Racing has come such a long way but I wish rules today were less restrictive so we could see more innovations and competitive competition.
+
Jet ejector seats with multiple rockets.
The car will be 75% jet ejector seat assembly, the rest will be "racing parts"
Or they could be remote controlled in VR, WITH ZERO REGULATIONS.
if this was not too fast for humans for drive. on tyres from 70´s, Seat as comfortable as a toilet, no neck or body support technology whatsoever and a turbolag in the size of a planet, then I don´t know. I tried this car only virtually in Assetto Corsa with Oculus Rift on my head and hydraulicly moved seat. I was not able to think as fast as I drove it. Thanks God it was only a virtual experience
its called lmp1
I'd agree that LMP1 and F1 are currently at the pinnacle but both fields have become stagnant because of the restrictive rules/regulations they both employ. I'd also agree that there is a limit to what humans can endure and control but I don't think that we are yet.
Ya just talk the whole time
I still have my old Aurora HO scale slot cars with the Can Am 917 bodies. One in the Sunoco livery, one in L&M. I have no idea what they're worth, but I've had em since about 1975. Wont sell em.
I was fortunate enough as a kid to live at Ft. Ord in the early 70's. Our family went to Laguna Seca several times and watched Mark Donahue race these cars. The sound was unbelievable! All those Can-Am cars were great to look at. What a time
I was in the army in the 70’s at Ft. Ord, and we used to hike out to Laguna and watch the races too!
@@dennissmith6783 We were at Ft. Ord 75-80 and went to all the races at Seca over those years, Loved It!
When I was racing years ago, mostly in California, I saw this car at Riverside and Laguna Seca.
Mark Donahue was a very smooth fast driver and I thought the match up of this car and Donahue was perfect. It's a shame that the Porsche expert had to endure such a clown interviewer. Just the Porsche expert speaking would have been much better.
just read Mark Donohue's book "The Unfair Advantage"......he covers in great detail the development of this car. you're welcome.
Couldn't edit any footage of the 917 going up the hill so we could hear that glorious flat 12 without any obnoxious music?
Exactly what I was thinking. All the bla bla and we can't get any footage of the car running. So disappointing.
Can't tolerate Adam Corolla's voice for periods in excess of 15 seconds.
Still my favorite race car ever.
Me too!
We saw it race at Riverside in 73; you could hear the tires hit the expansion joints until it passed; quiet compared to the 500 cu/in Chevies; what a machine
hollow titanium bolts throughout...lordy...850kg omg
Love it! We need to find ways to lose weight....we can make the bolts cost $1k each and save 2 grams....Do It!
AC: "Not good for a frontal collision"
Porsche guy: "You shouldn't do zis, yes"
AC: "You could turn this thing up to like 1600 horsepower, couldn't you?"
Porsche guy: "Yah dis happened sometimes"
did u work in a court room
Lmfao
@@arfshesaid4325 Criminally underrated comment.
Adam Carolla is the man. He's living the dream,s tarted out broke and poor and now gets to have all the race cars he wants and he shares all of it with us regular folk because he is one of us. I love how genuinely enthusiastic he is about this stuff.
It amazes me this thing is air cooled. Just crazy neat.
The 917/30 doesn't go down the track, it stays in one spot and rotates the planet underneath it, when it did the Talladega run the day got longer by by .00046 seconds as the car went West...true story
The one thing he hits on the head is the fact that the 917/30 speeds and technology was amazing compared to what other things were around such as dial up phones. And I occasionally talk to my brother about that such as Porsches and the SR-71's that were made with slide rulers and still hold some amazing speed records. Amazing!!!
How about hearing the car and seeing it run?
I saw the 917 Spyder here in Finland/Keimola driven by LEO KINNUNEN. The acceleration was like a slotcar: 0-120km/h in maybe 2 seconds to 300 km/h five seconds...
Bruh are you drunk?
0-300 kph in 5 seconds?
I wish Can-Am and Group B would come back...
Can am is back, they make ATVs
Sooo, Adam, your a car guy that's into vintage racing, and you knew about the 917, but not the 917-30? And the boost was not turned down for endurance racing, the 917-30 never went endurance racing. It was built exclusively for the Can-Am series.
1500+hp, why not
not durable during races
...the 917/30 not durable during racing? It dominated Can-Am.
on ~1100 bhp, it's not durable at 1500bhp as he said in the video
Adam...Interesting you'd mention the state of technology when the Turbo Panzer was designed. Probably one of the last remaining 'slide rule' cars in existence. Fortunate to have seen Donahue at Mid-Ohio absolutely whoop the competitors. Viewed from the outside of turn 1 and back straight, could see the rear tires overrunning the front rotational speed, ie: black tracking, wheel spin as he turned up boost exiting turn 1. An article long ago in Autoweek, Leo Mehl, former comp director for Goodyear tire said Mark was the ONLY driver he'd seen that could utilize the full capability of tires w/o abusing them. Says much about Mark's sense of mechanical empathy, mechanical understanding.
They call it "Turbopanzer" because it turns like a Tank in slow corners with its spool differential
MrCornholios well it's basically a welded diff
Not quite. A welded diff is basically a spool.
A spool isn't a differential. It's just a fixed connection point of the driveshafts.
Where as a differential is not a fixed connection point, hence the name differential.
Tim Johansson yes but in a WELDED diff
You lock it up in the same way as a spool
They are basically the exact same thing except ones just a slab of metal from the beginning and the other you turn the spider gears into said slab of metal
Like comparing a red onion to a white onion
Same dam thing just a slight difference in flavor
Spool is instead of the diff. That's the idea, to have no difference in rotation between the wheels
I think the spool was a preference by the driver, Mark Donohue. He wrote about it in his book Unfair Advantage. He braked to the apex and the spool gave him more stability on corner entry.
This is what sportcar racing should be like today. What is this over emphasis with rules that these sanctioning bodies are fixated on? Bring Can-Am back with little or no rules and it would be a huge hit!
How does the german person not know what a ZF transmission is? They're only one of thr oldest and best known german transmission developers. Its like asking if it's a getrag how do you not know?
100 mph in 1st gear :D
It's not your dad's Oldsmobile.
/Standing Around With Adam Carolla
This car is the primary reason why the 70s is my favorite era of racing (apart from Group 5)
The rear wheels! OMG! Look at those rear wheels!
those 110000000000 hp (hamster power:D) must be somehow transfered on the road
Better than P-hub.
Nice with 1500hp and always one wheel slipping in the curves... Suicide machine.
One of the most memorable racing experiences of my life was watching Mark Donohue drive this insanely powerful car around the track at Watkins Glen. He was so far ahead of the competition it was ludicrous.
Hollow titanium bolts, now that's attention to weight loss
I like Adam Corolla but this video is lame let's see this thing run
Anyone who says that the Porsche 917 killed Can-Am racing clearly wasn't there. So take your racing degree from reading magazines and place it on a shelf next to your sheeple certificate.
Yeah, the car was legendary enough without all the BS that's accumulated over the years.
Mark Donohue was the true master of the 917/30.
Weit über 1000 ps, 1973
Super
I have a picture of me sitting in that car from 1998 during the 50th anniversary celebration at the Monterey Historic pre race test weekend. Morespeed was running that car with a guy named Olaf Lang driving. look the the video "The Mighty 917-30". You'll see how close that car came to being no more...several times.
I was a corner marshal at Edmonton International Raceway when Mark Donahue drove that car. I used to have a photo of two of them in the pit paddock, one with the bodywork on and the other removed side by side.
Jody Shechter practised Saturday with a 5.0L engine. That evening they swapped out engines to a 5.4L engine. It was hilarious watching as the mechanics jabbered in German but swore in english.
I enjoyed this greatly.
One of the all time greatest competition cars!
Probably the most insane car ever made 917/30.
@Peter Grant - No probably about it! I always challenge people to come up with another road racing machine, from any series or classes, that would come even close to this incredible piece of machinery! The challenge is still open. Mark Donohue worked at Porsche helping to develop the engine. Mark had a B.S. degree in Mechanical Engineering from Brown University and provided important contributions to the design and development of this car. I hope to see and hear one at a Historic Festival before I'm gone!
Front collision? what the heck if there is no one in front of you ;-)
Point well made and taken!
Overkill doesn't work?! I think even Mr. Michael Schumacher would have trouble with such cars, driving such monsters to the finish! Maybe one needs broader tracks and wider bends for such "airplanes"?! Remember the Killer B's in Rallying in the 1980's, they were too hard to handle, with +/- 500 b.h.p. they killed to many, finishing that Category....
But Michael Schumacher (before his skiing accident) might be one of the few people being able to drive that car at high speed, as his Benetton cars also had a setup with much oversteering.
who let Kramer out of the Seinfeld cage
LOVE these Carolla vintage race car videos. Went to Goodwood FOS in 2014, blew my world apart.
Ya gotta quit calling the 917 a car.... this was a weapon.
More like double barreled 12 gauge shotgun or a .50 caliber machine gun.
I grew up with a magazine page folded up in my wallet that was about this car, wow!
I don't know why, but I read the title as "/GOING RACING WITH ADAM's COROLLA"
Man I saw these cars run at Mid-Ohio when I was a kid......wow. Great to see them again.
After all these year's, the CanAm powered flat 12 Porsche 917/30, is still the most powerful race car, ever produced.
100mph in 1st gear, WOOOOOW!!!!
The later, Le Man winning 956 cars, driven by Stuck, Bell, Ickx, only needed around 700hp, to dominate the Endurance car championship.
Amazing, the earlier 917/30 developed, at certain races, over twice the horsepower of the legendary 956/962 cars.
No wonder they were so dominant in the CanAm race series.
Can Am races were nowhere near as long... Group C cars could be tuned to 1000+, but wouldn't last.
Long live Can-Am....
BEST car ever made. 1955 Mercedes 3.0 SLR a close second ..
Yeah,it's in a class of its own,but I liked the Lola's and McLaren's, too. My pick for top 3 would be the IMSA version of Group 44 normally aspirated Jaguar V-12.(Factory livery,not Castrol).
What a beast!
I love how the Germans use t-slot aluminum profile for a prop stick instead of a piece of wood. Always over engineered lol
Saw it at Watkins Glen with Mark Donohue in the seat. George Follmer drove the L&M 917/30.
*917-30* *THE HOLY GRAIL*
Penske/Donahue knew how to win.
I've always (since the age of 11) liked the 917 and specifically the 917/30. That's when I read "The Unfair Advantage" and it literally changed my life and started my passion for Porsche and the Porsche way of doing everything. Having said all that, Adam Carolla does a great video. Great job. Liked and Subscribed!
Porsche there is no substitute !
the 917/30 is cool!
Can-Am. It could only have happened when it did, but it made the world a better place simply because it existed. If only there were a way to describe a universal safety standard that would then allow a second-gen Can Am (as in build it, bring it, run it) "rules" package and races.
I still remember watching this car at Riverside race way in California, in the 1970"s. Carroll Shelby was never associated with Porsche, but when He was asked what He thought would happen In a 48 hour race, like Le mans, he said..."No doubt Porsche would win, and probability be the only cars running at the end!!!!
I'm surprised neither mentioned how hard this little buggy is to drive. There's a vid with Derek Bell putting the coupe through it's paces,and I think at one point he remarks with surprise that not all were wrecked. A real testament to the skills of the brave men who climbed into one of these.
"What is this ZF?" This "German Porsche engineer" is clueless; doesn't know ZF aka "Zahnradfabrik Friedrichshafen"? A 100 year old German gear, gearbox, auto trans, and steering box/rack including P/S pump manufacturer that is an OE supplier to Porsche, BMW, MB, Audi & Toyota. They have a plant in the US manufacturing gearboxes and suspensions for Ford & GM trucks. In fact ZF has been the official partner of Porsche Motorsport since 2010! He's like my Pops, great at the engineering math but technically clueless. To say he's not a car-guy like Adam is an understatement.
Sorry but not true. The fastest 917/30 Can Am was Mark Donahue´s. His 917/30 had 1323 BHP only and not 1500 BHP, as stated above. Donahue nonetheless achieved an amazing 436 Km/h and a a 0-100 Km/h (standing start) at 2,2 seconds on the french race track at Toulouse (France). These figures were never beaten. You can also read this record up in the Guiness Book of Records 1985 edition.
He's almost illiterate about the 917 CanAm. Sounds like Trump explaining his 'finances'.
"ZF gearbox? What is this ZF?"
"Zee Eff? Zed Eff?"
If Adam had said Zahnradfabrik Friedrichshafen, I'm sure the Porsche guy would have understood immediately.
"I asked him what it was really like to race."
“I can’t really tell you I’m afraid. It was never in the plan to actually race it. The plan was to start in front and stay in front. No racing required. And that’s exactly what we did...... Vic Elford
The fastest race car ever made….is a funny car that hit 341.68 mph in 1000 feet. 11,000+ horsepower
Only Adam Corolla could make a video about the legendary Porsche 917-30 annoying. I saw this car back in the day. I also saw all of Bob Sharp's and Paul Newman's cars back in the day. It annoys me that Bob Sharp sold his C production 240-Z to this Bozo.
They reckon that they saw close to 1500 hp on the dyno. That may be the case or it could be partly calculation. They said the engine was producing over 1200HP when Donohue set his record at Talladega. They claimed it was a world record speed for a closed racecourse. It was officially a record for the USA at about 380 klm per hour or so. ( 220 odd mph ) Of course Mark would die in a formula one car 9 days later. Faster speeds were recorded at Le man but it was not technically a closed racecourse. Of course, while still not on a closed racecourse GP cars from over 85 years ago were way faster then either. They were screwed up to give close to 450 kph and some claim higher speeds. 917 canam cars and Mclaren m8s are my favorite by far.
Lame
TOTAL CLICK BAIT!!! Adam does not go racing in this car, he doesn't even drive it! In fact there is no driving footage AT ALL!! Give m e my 8 minutes back.
Next filming project try and keep your face off the screen and show more of the subject we tuned in for -- the cars. You are a nice, knowledgeable guy but we'd rather look at the cars than you.
Why you lie and say 1500+ HP when the Porsche engineer says 1100...?
Because as said in the video the horsepower is adjustable through the wastegate up to 1500 hp at 1.4 bar.
The engineer said it happened _once_. He's neither confirming it nor denying it. If you believe the internet, that means if it could happen once then it happened _all the time_. According to Ian Bamsey, this test resulted in a catastrophic failure, which should surprise nobody. The original 912 engine (its actual designation) was built from 908 bits. and that engine was designed to produce around 350 hp. On top of that, the unique design of the 912 engine was such that it was quite long and without water jackets, quite flexible. Flexibility in an engine block is a seriously bad thing and these two things were the major limiting factors in the quest for power.
The second thing everyone needs to know is that torque is _measured_ and power is _calculated_. That means the total output will be determined by a combination of torque and RPM. Despite what he says, you can't just keep winding up the boost pressure to get a 25% increase in power in an engine which is already boosted.
@@thethirdman225 No one seems to understand this. .3 bar is a little over 4 pounds of boost. They weren't turning a knob and getting an extra 500 horses. The legend gets worse every year!
@@shelbyavant5081 Not to mention the fact that the boost knob was uncalibrated anyway. You’d think the cars actual achievements would be enough but no…
Sadly this car destroyed the greatest racing series ever. Not very fair the full might of Porsche against tiny independents like McClaren. Stunning car. tragic result.
just show the fn car
OTIS Chandlers 917 Driven by John Thomas. Johnny new how to Twist that Car it was a Brute Cheers Johnny an Rod Thasin.
the interviewer didnt saw the car behind him........ anothers 1500 hp beast from Porche even cooler that the 917
Spool not a differential - geegosh must be nice around fast sweeping corners. Basically a drag racing car with a Porsche badge.
Absolute incredible monster of a car
Excuse my Atlanta public school math but that seems like 1.7 HP per pound.
With respect it was called Can-Am because it was Canadian and American race courses - I can recal 2 Canadian courses without searching.
The 5 O'clock shadow on Adams lip makes him look like he has a Hitler 'stach. Unfortunate facial hair mishap or is there a chance Adam was going for some sort of sick stereotype joke?
Adam what a great host you are, great stuff. Went to Goodwood in 2012, talked to the drivers and the mechanics and the owners of some spectacular cars. What an amazing event.
The driver is sitting right next to a 440 L fuel tank , scary AF.
CF uh ZF gearbox? With exasperation "it's a Porsche gearbox!".
Sorry, can't stand Adam Carolla.
Cool info about the car, but guys please do not ever play that music, i mean ever in a video...damn.
There's written DIE HARD on the side...... coincidence? :-D