To me the very obvious hole in Erins Mushroom bought from stores story is simple. Where are the other affected deadly Mushroom eaters. Or did Erin magically grab the only deadly Mushrooms available at store. Add to this she's already lied to Police and there is a custody battle going on. This is one very sickening and sad case.
@@maxalberts2003 I go mushroom hunting. The FIRST thing you learn about is the Death Cap because it looks similar to common button mushrooms and are so deadly. However, you also learn the differences. From memory (I'm going back 30+ years), they have slightly yellow gills.
@@takemyjobpleeezYes! That’s why it’s perfect. Sometimes I wonder if he ever acted like that in therapy sessions with patients. I personally would enjoy it.
I’m struggling to imagine how she could have possibly thought she could get away with this. Also, if I owned an Asian food market in that area I would be pretty upset about being maligned like this.
@@maryswanson9982 obviously. Even if you don't remember the name of the store....you're going to remember the general area of where it was. If she were telling the truth, she'd want the store to be found.
I’m in Australia and following this closely… she said she used already dried mushrooms from an Asian store.. so why throw the dehydrator away if she supposedly didn’t use it 🤷♀️ with her ex husband’s past health and near death experience makes you wonder…..
If those deadly mushrooms came from a shop months ago, then surely, other mislabelled deadly mushroom purchasers would have been affected. They could have killed other people across Melbourne. If that is the truth. The coroner's report will be interesting.
As an Asian living in Melbourne, can I just say not cool playing the Asian grocery store card at all, Karen! I have been shopping in Asian grocery stores here for more than 15 years, all mushrooms you can buy here are packaged with strict import requirements, there is no way you can get hand written packaged mushroom anywhere, she is clearly evil and guilty
@NascentCoomer the Victorian police have now arrested Erin Paterson and they are now searching her property so the cops ain't taking it lightly let's just say they obviously have strong suspicions about Erin Paterson no doubt soon we will know if she is going to be charged over the mushroom related deaths.
Don Patterson was the nicest gentle soul and a great teacher, I was fortunate to enough to be in a few of his classes after he brought his family in from Botswana back in the mid eighties. He taught me a lot despite being the poor student I was in school. I still did think of him often. Now I want answers why his life has been shortened.
Dr. Grande, just wanted to make a general comment. As a therapist and a writer, I truly love your brilliant analyses, your wit, puns and impeccable use of alliterations!! Not too many people listen to podcasts about murder before bed, but I go to sleep at nights listening to your videos b/c of your soothing voice. So I usually don't get a chance to comment! But yours is my favorite RUclips channel and I think you are truly a brilliant man. Thanks for the great content.
Erin Patterson, the woman at the centre of a mushroom lunch that resulted in the deaths of three people, has been charged with multiple counts of murder and attempted murder. The 49-year-old was this evening charged with three counts of murder and five counts of attempted murder. While the murder charges and two of the attempted murder charges relate to the mushroom lunch in July of this year that left three people dead and another critically ill in hospital, the remaining three attempted murder charges relate to historical incidents.
As a aussie, who also believes pretty much anything anyone tells them, im pretty sure she is lying. The Australian food industry is so highly regulated and even seedy grocers are audited, imo she either picked these or got them on the black market and if she had not known they were poisonous she would also be dead. Nothing she says adds up.
My theory is she used the hydrator to dry the poisonous mushrooms and use them later when she needed to. That is why she disposed of it soon after to get rid of evidence that is what it was used for, but the cops found it anyway (fantastic) which no doubt they are testing it forensically . She didn't purchase mushrooms from the Asian store thats a bunch of bull and furthermore the comment her husband made about "poisoning them" he knows, he knows what she is capable of. Just my armchair opinion. This will soon unfold.
Exactly. We have super tight food regulations here. She’s trying to get away with it by blaming an independent Asian grocer as if they are not subject to the same standards somehow.
@@koobie83They have better quality and lower priced fresh produce than Cloesworth, by far. Hopping people start to realize that they need to use these places, Aldi and Costco and boycott the other two!
@@sandrah5405 They both died in the same year, not particularly unusual but when someone is implicated in other deaths two previous ones that result in her inheriting a lot of money need to be looked at again.
An update for those interested. She’s just been charged with murder, and they’re investigating this ‘illness’ her ex husband had while living with her.
So, if Erin supposedly bought the dried poisonous mushrooms then why would she panic and throw her food dehydrator away? Dried mushrooms don't need to go into a dehydrator and if you put ones from the supermarket into it and there was even the remotest chance they had caused the death of three people then wouldn't you want the police to have that evidence and issue an urgent recall and investigation in order to prevent other deaths? Keep talking Erin.... we're getting closer to the truth each time you do.
In the "A Current Affair" episode last night when the journo was interviewing her - she looks like she's working herself up into a state like she's upset but not actually crying. It's almost comical how she keeps changing her story... Hope the man in hospital pulls through....What an awful thing.
Yea they test every batch actually. She's definitely lying. In fact I researched a while back what it takes to grow mushrooms and lets say that they will test your batch if you are selling them to markets. If they are magic or posion you'll be arrested.
The biggest tell for me on her guilty knowledge was the fact that when interviewed by the media shortly after the incident, the crying and weeping by Erin produced no actual tears. Bullsh@t flag right there.
In my view the fact that Erin’s friends said she was an experienced “mushroom forager” is damming evidence against her. She would know how to identify and obtain death cap mushrooms.
I'm pretty sure Erin is guilty (and not especially smart about hiding it, either), but victims of mushroom poisoning often consider themselves experts, and have foraged mushrooms for years. Unfortunately death caps can be mistaken for edible mushrooms, especially when they're small, or when the color has faded due to rain. I used to forage mushroom and I was always a bit wary about picking Caesar's mushrooms (which are delicious when eaten raw) because they look a lot like death caps.
I agree. Death caps are easy to confuse with a variety of edible mushroooms to the untrained eye - but not for someone experienced, especially if they've foraged the same area for years. That's because you learn which areas are more likely to have death caps and, if you're not wanting to kill anyone, you avoid those areas. The part that screams premeditation to me, though, is the timing of this lunch and the dehydrator. It's winter in Australia, so the death caps wouldn't have been available to pick fresh. That means that they would have needed to be gathered and stored a significant time in advance. Perfect way to store them? Dehydrate them (which would also change the taste and make the guests less likely to realise what was going on). I'm sure she thoroughly cleaned the dehydrator afterwards, she may have even used it afterwards, and thought that was enough - but, if her husband suspected her (& he knew her better than any of us), put two and two together and challenged her, realising how she'd done it? That would have caused her to panic that a microscopic trace could be left on the appliance and seal her fate, which is why she dumped it in such a rush, and in a careless manner, too (they would know she'd been there through phone tracing, CCTV, etc). I don't think she'd thought that through until he scared her, because it's the only part not carefully planned, but her knee-jerk reaction (immediately dumping it and not having a decent explanation) implies that he was right. Scary, really...
** As an Aussie living in Melbourne I love that Dr Grande pronounces the names of our towns and cities correctly ** MAL BORN is the capital city of Victoria. BRISS BANE is the capital city of Queensland.
Yes, but I do forage and also buy mushrooms. Sometimes it is a hassle to process the mushrooms and you want to make it easy for yourself. But in the other hand...it is quite rare to use both dried and fresh mushrooms at the same meal. Perhaps, if there was not enough the fresh ones 🤔
Not hard to imagine though if she didn’t have enough for the meal she was preparing, but NO Asian grocer sells poisonous mushrooms. Customs here are very very thorough and strict when it comes to letting in food items from other countries.
Wouldn't you be trying like hell to find the store that sold you those deadly mushrooms? That's your get out of jail card right there. And if you bought dried mushrooms, why did you need a dehydrator?
Erin could take her time to tell the police where she bought those mushroom, mabbe next year, its only the world-deadliest mushroom that could kill all OZ.
Idk why everyone is focused on the mushrooms when the motive is clear. Instead of killing her children to get at the ex husband, she killed his loved ones.
If she found the store she says she brought the poisoned ones from.. how on earth is that going to clear her? they will just deny it and they wont be selling those mushrooms still months later and obviously she still doesn't have the packaging from the mushrooms or she could have just given the police that.
@@tanyabrown9839 Of course we know all that. If she were innocent, she would be trying to find the store that killed her loved ones. Innocent people would also want to stop the store from selling more deadly shrooms. We all know that she picked those mushrooms on purpose, and dried them herself, but a jury would almost certainly clear her if she actually found the store that supposedly sold them to her. I also think she poisoned her husband earlier so she could be the hero and nurse him back to health.
When I saw her on TV here in Aus and crying without any sign of tears then finding out she doesn't remember the name of the Asian store she brought the dehydrated mushrooms from and then throwing her own dehydrator out before the cops got there is highly suspicious to me
Her body language is EPIC. She looks up to the sky, says affirmative statements while shaking her head no. Has ‘hysterical’ tears absent any actual tears and when she’s tired from the acting scene abruptly leaves in some weird confused walk around the car and keeps shaking her head faking the tears and acts all victimized by the press.
Did you ever see the Alec Murdaugh interview in the car when he reported finding the bodies? Very similar grief performance, especially rubbing his eyes and then checking his hand as if to see if he's produced any tears. Erin does that several times.
Question? Where does one find or buy poisoning mushrooms? I know she said she bought mushy from an Asian market but that is most likely a lie. So where does one find poison mushrooms? In the forest with Hansel and Gretel?
As someone who cooks meals of the non-lethal variety, I find it odd that she used both fresh and dried mushrooms. One would normally use one or the other, not both.
@@archeewaters You sound like you are desperate to make excuses for her...I can't think of a single instance where you could use both dried and fresh mushrooms except from a soup and that's not what they ate. There is a 0.0% chance she bought those death caps at the grocery store. edit: Not to mention the nice racist tang to this case of blaming some mysterious Asian store for giving them poison.
@@alexanderorr2528 I don't see it as purely racist just a convenient alibi due to the number of Asian grocers in Melbourne, many of whom do not use English labelling. Still a weak alibi but pity help the poor investigators who have to go door to door looking for the vendor.
I do my Asian grocery shopping in Mount Waverley sometimes. I’ve never seen labels on the packaging for dry mushrooms are handwritten….This morning the Australian mushroom industry issued a statement saying it was impossible for growers to sell poisonous mushrooms in shops.
Just to play devil's advocate, if I were a store owner who stocked products with hand-written labels, and I heard about this case, I would immediately remove all such products from my store. Not saying that's what happened, it's just a logical possibility.
@@Yuum.yummms I wondered where you are based? I’m Asian and the dry mushroom products I can find in the asian grocers here in Melbourne all have printed labels on them. Maybe this lady went to an Asian grocery store that I have never been and they had packaging with handwritten labels. Would it good to know which store she went to so I can avoid going there.
@@hodgeelmwood8677 umm….I thought the store would be the victim in this if the mushrooms did come from a store, unless the store also grows and sells poisonous mushrooms then they would have a good reason to remove their products from the shelves. Also, we haven’t had any other reported cases of people dying from eating mushrooms bought from the stores in Melbourne recently.
if erin found guilty, she is really a racist besides a cruel killer. malign an asian grocer for nothing. she is an expert mushroom picker and they went for mushroom picking during mushroom season, don't tell me she couldn't identify the world-deadliest mushroom even when its dried?
Yesterday, a tradesman who had worked on a house that she had owned showed photos to the media of bizarre drawings that were all over the wall. They were all to do with death and murdering people, really grim stuff.She had called the guy in to paint over the drawings o the house could be sold, and he took photos with his phone. This whole story is just insane.
to be fair the kids could be playing a fantasy game. I think it is irrelevant to this case. She clearly wanted to kill anyone who could take custody of their children by using death cap mushrooms. Then she could have the kids and claim it was an accident
@@tom5051666 seriously who would do that and think they could get away with it, one would have to be half insane.. and if she did do it why didn't she get rid of the food dehydrator far earlier and only get rid of it after everyone was sick. There is a lot of strangeness in this whole story and I cant figure out if she's innocent or guilty (unlike the Dingo has my baby case in which I always believed they were innocent even after they were wrongly sent to jail).
the fact that her friends know her as an experienced mushroom forager and that she used to write for the local newspaper and once happened to feature an article about growing mushrooms at home is simply not coincidental and enough to make me believe that what she did was premeditated
@@tankthearc9875 If she bought them dried in a packet, so dried that they sat in her cupboard for months then why would she need to put them in her drying machine ? It's looking like she picked them then dried them herself.
As an experienced mushroom forager, myself.....you don't accidentally buy deathcaps from an Asian grocery. That's a ridiculous story. Even if she doesn't remember the name of the grocery, she can't remember where the store was? She's clearly lying.
If it was deliberate, there was likely a decoy Beef Wellington. One that she and her children ate, and that she handed over for testing. If she absolutely knew death caps were in the dish, no way would she just scrape them off for her kids, and no way did she hand it over
AS an Aussie following this case, it seems to me that the real reason she disposed of the dehydrator is that it was used to process mushrooms that she harvestered herself knowing full well that they were deathcaps. She processed them so that she could then use them at a later time that was convenient.
I love foraging for mushrooms. There is absolutely no way she could have confused death cap mushrooms for anything else. Death caps and other closely related poisonous mushrooms have a very specific color, stipe, spore print, and cap. Just knowing a few parts of the mushroom will eliminate all non poisonous options. She knew 1000%
If you pick them up properly, then there's no confusion because of the big stub on the bottom of the leg. Some people have picked them as gypsy mushrooms(Cortinarius caperatus) but they two totally different mushrooms. There's no way that experienced forager would have picked death caps by accident, unless she's having early dementia or something like that. You see them from far away and know what they are, if you've been mushroom hunting for ages.
I am completely engrossed by this story, its the wildest case from Australia in recent memory. The motive seems so thin but its looking bad for Erin. Ive never seen anyone cook themselves so badly not in interrogation but via voluntary public statements. Her lawyers must be beside themselves.
Plenty of motives. Resentment, money, revenge... How did her biological mother and father die? Did she or her children put the death cap mushrooms in the meal? If she did not do it then it's obvious that the next possible perpetrators are the kids. Particularly given evidence of the artwork on the wall in a previous rental home they lived in.
As an Aussie some here, a case hasn't intrigued me as much since the dingo got my baby case (which I always thought they were innocent, with this one though I just don't know)
She not only fed her guests poisonous mushrooms. She actively went foraging for them. It's like mushroom hunting for morels, chicken of the woods, chanterelles, etc, except it's the lethal version. She's an expert forager according to her neighbors and friends. That alone proves she's a mycophile. I'm a mycophile. What's the first thing you learn when identifying mushrooms? The lethal ones. You learn what not to eat FIRST. The only thing I can think of where the dehydrator is concerned is she used it to dehydrate death caps because she wasn't sure when she was going to use them. She dehydrated them to save them from spoilage. The dehydrator could possibly still have the DNA from the Amanita phalloides (death cap mushroom). Police could find trace amounts years later. Anyway, she either made 2 beef Wellingtons or she only poisoned half of it. She thought this through backwards and forward. She's committed 1st degree murder, premeditation and all. She wasn't sick from poisoning via mushrooms when she went to the hospital either. She probably took a laxative to cause her diarrhea. If I were the husband, I'd start the divorce papers immediately. She's untrustworthy! 😂😂😂
"Not leaving mushroom for doubt" was the headline that brought me here. I couldn't wait to hear all of the fungal puns. :0) Many blessings to you and your wife. ❤
The genius puns, delivered by someone well spoken, and in such a level, clear and dry tone of voice, make these stories easier to listen to. Even though what Erin did was horrible, I appreciate the brief bits of levity 🙂
What's the bet she made a mushroom sauce to go with the beef wellington. Those plates are scraped off and cleaned, as was the pot she cooked the sauce in. The left over BW contains no poisonous mushrooms. She picked those deadly mushrooms, dehydrated them to keep for the sauce sometime down the track and when her ex accused her she ditched the dehydrator.
Good thinking. Your theory fits all the facts. If that's what really did happen, she messed up by saying she included the Asian mushrooms along with button mushrooms in the Beef Wellington. If forensic analysis of the remaining beef Wellington shows only button mushrooms, the police will know for sure that she lied and there's no innocent explanation for coming up with such a preposterous falsehood.
If the mushrooms are so deadly then the whole dish would be contaminated and she couldn't just pick them out so she could feed them to her kids without them getting a bit sick too. So maybe these mushrooms were prepared on the side and added specifically to the older guests dishes, so many weird little details not making sense that it is hard to understand what really happened.
Absolutely, the juices would always come out unless the mushrooms were added really late, and then being dried, they would be unpalatable. With death caps, it would only require half of one to contaminate the dish, so this could have been pree coocked ready and added at the last minute.
There are less than 10 Asian grocery stores within a 2 hour drive of Erin's town, based on what little digging I did on Google Maps. I find it extremely difficult to believe she would be unable to identify which store she bought mushrooms from if her story was to be true.
That makes a little more sense, I just assumed. Thank you for informing me. I live somewhere rural so I have trouble imagining not remembering which Asian store you went to because we only have one nearby. @@AmyBurchall
I don't believe her story either, especially since most of the people who would've had the ability to fight for custody were all at the dinner. @@wickedfairy2370
@@-_-Onyx-_- I personally think that if you live out of the city as she does then you'd be more inclined to remember exactly what shop you bought something from, as you're not going into the city often.
Maybe she only half knew what she was doing. Maybe she wanted to make them ill, not dead, just as she (probably) did to her husband when he was hospitalised. Different batch of death caps may have different severity of effect. She may be an experienced forager. It I’d guess her experience of poisoning is more limited
I’m a psychiatrist with a background in forensics. I love your work. Please analyse the case of Wayne couzen the killer cop. Your analyses are soo good.
@@algonquin7187 Wrong again! I do not believe she is innocent. But due to the bias law standards in our country i doubt she will do any real time if proven guilty.
Yes, it would be a miracle if Erin Patterson isn't guilty, but this is a prime example of how people who commit crimes talk themselves into prison. Defense attorneys are always telling their clients to shut up but that advice is seldom followed. Those who come up with plans to commit murders and follow through with them usually have a lot to say to the police and their stories tend to become increasingly convoluted and contradictory until their explanations themselves become the prosecutor that convicts them.
reminds me of the drunk guy who essentially ratted on himself to a police officer, because he couldn't help but subtly brag about his crime. He was hammered, walking down the street and just approached a cop and started talking. Google "Marek Hecko video". My favourite quote "You're gonna think it was meeeee, but its not gonna be meeeee, cos there's no proof", all in an over the top Slovakian accent, naturally.
Hard to believe that an experienced mushroom forager would use store-bought mushrooms for such a fancy meal. I bet the grocer didn't appreciate being named as the source, either. The duper's delight was readily apparent in her expression as she pretended to cry. Her overly-dramatic sobs sounded more like barely suppressed laughter. I winced every time she poked herself in the eye. I wondered that she let her tousled hair hang over her eyes, too.
and she kept checking her fingers to see if there were tears. She was not wearing makeup. She was screwing her face up to try to manufacture tears. They weren't there.
Hard to say. I gather wild mushrooms but still buy them because mushrooms are seasonal. Also there are good years and bad years for wild mushroom production. I haven't found many the last couple of years.
@@tinknal6449 I thought the same thing as cloisterene. And given that this was a specially prepared lunch, one would think that she would have wanted her personal touch by including mushrooms that she herself had gathered. But point noted.
@@markusgorelli5278 I'm sure that is exactly what she did, I'm just sharing my own experience as a mushroom hunter. I've had a long dry spell due to 3 years of summer droughts.
I never jump to conclusions in crime cases until there are arrests. But as soon as I saw her first interview I knew she had something to do with it!...and Everytime she makes another statement it gets more strange. Wow!! Extremely disturbing
I never jump to conclusions until I see the evidence and the counter-evidence and both sides make their case in the court. And even then I could still be wrong cuz it's possible there's more that I don't know.
erin kept changing her statements, not helping public to identify which asian grocer store nor help public to identify what killed her 'beloved' ex-parents. doesn't she wants to know what killed her beloved ex-parents? meanwhile keep getting her beloved ex-father-in-law name interchanged with the pastor.
From what I have gathered from these two programs, It appears that Erin wanted to kill all the people who were talking against her and therefore preventing, in her mind, from winning her ex-husband back. She might have thought that he would be overcome with grief. She would console him and he would then take her back, or maybe she wanted to hill him as well.
She didn't succeed in killing him the first time, so she had to up the ante. He didn't even show up because he didn't trust her. It is so sad so many people had to die from her delusion, and she didn't even get the one she hated the most. She must really feel stupid right now. Maybe they will make her a cook in prison 😛
I believe she intended to make the family sick, not kill them. She would have then swooped in and rescued everybody then Simon would realize how much he needed her and would be so grateful. The fact that so many of her guests got sick at the same time in itself sticks out but add to that her foraging knowledge and the fact Simon got mysteriously ill last year and that just pins it for me.📌 Unless a dingo gets involved I think we have our culprit.
How would she 'rescue' 'everybody' exactly. No really, elaborate on that one. I'm sure we'd all love to know what your wandering whimsical 'thoughts' are. Better yet call the police and share them.
@spinetingler-op6st I think the only reason she didn't give mushrooms to the kids is because she didn't know how much to give them--it was riskier, as if sickening her entire dinner party wouldn't stand out in and of itself.
@@PrecociousFriandshe would be the only person not sick and take care of her estranged husbands family. He'd have to come back. It's called enmeshment. Make herself valuable.
No way she bought thise mushrooms. As an experienced mushroom forager, she's picked them deliberately. If she'd picked them by mistake she'd be in shock, admitting the mistake, apologising from the bottom of her heart and begging for mercy.
The four guests for lunch had food poisoning that night. She gave the children leftovers the next lunchtime. Did noone contact her by then to let her know the others were sick? Did the children have no effects from remnants on the meat? It was two days later before she went to hospital with gastro which seems a long gap. The more she elaborates the more unbelievable she sounds.
She could of made two beef Wellingtons, one for the people she wanted to kill/injure and the other was for her and children. She then just lied about scrapping off the mushrooms and being sick herself.
I just love listening to your videos Dr. Grande. As is obvious, I love people with common sense which seems to be completely lacking these days. So whenever I hear your common sense analysis of most situations, I mostly agree with your analysis, and feel relieved that at least one person out there still has a brain, oh, and a great sense of humor! Thanks you!
I’m in Victoria and her story about buying the mushrooms from a store is absolute BS we have very strict rules regarding mushroom growers in Australia and it is impossible for the store to have had those mushrooms, Erin best come clean cause it’s not looking good for her at all
Who said they were chinese mushrooms? She said she got them from an asian (or Chinese) grocery story. Its assumed that most things would be of asian origin but most produce isn't considered ethnic
Kia Ora, greetings from New Zealand Doctor Grande, kudos for your plainspeak thoughts and I enjoy your presentations immensely, great food for thought.
@@joannemurdock7899 She reckons she went to the city to buy the offending mushrooms, but that's still no reason not to remember. When I go to the city I don't forget what shops I've been to. In fact for people like me and her who live out of the city it would actually be easier to remember where you purchased goods from because you don't go in every day or every week.
Great analysis! I'm so invested in this case (and really glad i.hate mushrooms!) My thoughts...Why get rid of the dehydrator if the mushrooms were purchased dry? Even if she'd scraped the mushrooms off her kids meals, there would be residue and they would have got sick... nothing adds up in this case. I think she intentionally did it.
4:50 I don’t think it’s strange that she could remember that the dried mushrooms were in a packet with a handwritten label, but couldn’t remember where she bought them. Presumably they were still in the packet right before she cooked them, so seeing the label would’ve been fresh in her mind. Whereas having bought the dried mushrooms months ago it’s quite understandable that she could no longer remember the store where she bought them.
Few people are gullible enough to believe her cock-and-bull story. You can excuse away any one thing, but taken together the numerous inconsistencies and absurdities prove that this was premeditated murder.
I came here to write the same thing. Not remembering where someone bought something is not strange at all. I would not remember this from months earlier although I may remember a label that was on it just days later. Sje would also be quite traumatised from the events of the last few days so brain fog and confusion could be an issue.
I would remember exactly where I bought them , particularly from an Asian store. It’s not like there is an Asian grocery store in every suburb like coles and Woolies.
@@jacquelinehaddon999 depends wber you live, how many Asian stores there are and how long youhad them. I have a bag of dehydrated mushrooms from an Asian grocerin my pantry an have no idea where or when I bought it.
She served her signature dish " il Fungo la Sorpresa " ( Mushroom Surprise ) Its worth looking into her own parents mysterious deaths in 2019 in which she got their estate there after. Her story has more holes than Swiss cheese
She says she picked the mushrooms out for her children the next day. The poison would be through the food, it wouldn't have stayed in the mushrooms after cooking and standing overnight. I would like to know more about her visit to the hospital, did she fake being poisoned, or did she have a small taste to make it seem she was a victim. This is just like an Agatha Christie movie, and if she is innocent I feel sorry for her. Whatever, hopefully the police will get to the bottom of this.
When I would study for a test back when I went to school, I would often remember where on the page the information I need was located and which page it was (not number but relative to the studied content), while I wouldn't remember the information itself. So I do believe it's possible to remember random details like handwritten label but not the location. However in this case it seems a lot more likely that Erin cannot remember the location of the store simply because it doesn't exist.
I am like that too. I know where the information is located (relatively). And whether it is a right hand page or left hand. I just can't remember what it is. Very aggravating. lol. If she is a forager and interested in mushrooms - I can see her browsing Asian and other stores looking at their selections. She must therefore have a map in her mind of which asian stores have the best selections and which are not worth visiting. So it would make more sense to say that she doesn't know *which* one she bought it at - versus not knowing at all. She should have been able to provide a list of her favorite places for the investigators to check.
While it seems odd that she wouldn't remember where the store was, comparing it to the label makes no sense to me. She claims to have bought the mushrooms months ago, but presumably would have seen the label on the package the day she cooked them. So the handwritten label would be very fresh in her mind while the store itself might not.
Also how could you forget the location of a store you went to SO badly that you can't deduce which one it was by looking at all the Asian supermarkets in the area and just narrow it down to which one it was? Any adult with a normal brain should easily be able to do this. Also her phone, if her GPS is on, which most people leave it on, her location data is easy to pull up... Anyway, I'm sure the police are way ahead of us lolm, its just annoying having no details of their investigation.
Unless it is a major city, in Australia, there are generally only one or two Asian supermarkets in some of the bigger towns. Not hard to track down any in the area. If they have made any identification mistakes( which I think is unlikely), surely other custoners would be suffering as well.
If she mistakenly used the poisonous mushrooms, and if she then went to seek early medical treatment to protect her liver, why did she not let the others know to also seek early treatment? And if the mushrooms were labelled, and if she labelled them, how could she make such a mistake? It is highly improbable that those mushrooms were sold in a grocery store.
A very good point. She went to hospital 2 days later and they gave her liver protecting drugs. How did they know what drugs to give her if she did not tell them it was mushrooms? And she did not warn the others???!!!! Guilty as hell.
@@SKY031 OK, that is true. I was wrong. But they went the day after and she went a day after they did, not the same time. So another red flag. Poison works the same way in everyone.
sold in a grocery store she doesn't remember the name or location of apparently. The name, ok maybe you forget, but there's no fucking way she forgets the location so bad, she can't deduce which Asian supermarket it was... Like how many are there in that area? Pull up a list of them, show her the addresses and say which one was it? If she can't remember that, there's something seriously wrong with her memory. Just pull up her GPS data from her phone. Im sure the police obviously already know all this, its just frustrating not having any details of their investigation.
the insidious part of deathcap mushrooms is that by the time symptoms start showing it is already far, far too late to administer an antidote. It will already have done so much damage that recovery is incredibly unlikely. youd have to realize what you ate directly afterward to stand a chance
plus, if her kids really did eat the food..even while taking the mushrooms out, the food itself would still be tainted… as the mushrooms were cooked into it. i feel like she is lying about that, also.. to try and act as if she was unaware or whatever. edit:wors
The longer they wait the more she is incriminating herself with her admission of lying to the police, what else will she say about the incident? I think she will be arrested in time, the slow grind investigation and media attention will reveal more
Narcissists can never accept responsibility and always play victim, by sobbing or becoming very nasty. This woman needs a psychological evaluation by professionals. I believe she did this out of spite. Her acting is so bad......but it is childlike, which narcissists are.
She is a murderer and what personality disorder she has is totally irrelevant. Poisoning is the most premeditated murder and thus it used to carry mandatory death penalty.
She supposedly 'panicked' and threw away the food dehydrator but not the Beef Wellington that she cooked and linked her to the death of her guests? Yeah right!!🙄🙄
@@rubyoro0right as they could’ve ate something somewhere else before coming to her home to have lunch. They aren’t going to charge her as they don’t have the mushrooms to prove she did anything. She foraged mushrooms often and if she did pick deadly mushrooms by accident & in fact went to the hospital on the same day as they did, & there was nothing showing they were poisoned in their labs.
Exactly! And then she says she fed the leftover beef Wellington to her kids the next day for either lunch or dinner. That doesn’t make any sense. Wasn’t that after the in-laws had been hospitalised? The seriousness of the situation was known by then. She, herself had been to hospital and treated with liver protecting medicine. It doesn’t add up.
@@dudemorris7769she said she bought the mushrooms from an Asian grocery store in Melbourne 2 hours away and wasn’t sure the name so she didn’t pick them. If they were from that store then we would have even bigger ramifications if it was true as everyone who bought mushrooms there would be at risk of death. Yet no other deaths. She couldn’t name the store either
@bluestarblue22 In the video it just says the kids had left overs, not when they ate them. It could of been shortly after the guests left, and before anyone felt ill.
Just the title alone made me laugh so hard.😂 You have a wonderful way of respectfully adding humor into these tragic cases. I missed alot of July and Aug videos due to 2 vacations (one almost killed me but i survived) and am so excited to have so many new to catch up on. You're awesome ❤️
This is a classic class of a female serial killer/murderer, poison is a woman's go to for their crimes. She could also have Munchausens by proxy, since she 'cared' for her ex-husband illness, but poisoners also put on a show when killing people. I have a feeling that she's going to found guilty, I hope she rots, these people can't really be cured through therapy.
Being familiar with those mushrooms I can say theres really no way they were bought at a store. The likelihood that a producer and packager managed to get Amanitas in just her package and no one else's is really zero. She also seems a bit off and not terribly bright.
What about food tampering? Some sicko could have bought the pack, inserted some poison, and then put it back on the shelf. If nothing else, it is enough to cast reasonable doubt in a court case.
@@propheteyebert7063 Food tampering is absolutely a theory I've mentioned. Personally I believe she's guilty AF but we have to keep an open mind to all possibilities and product terrorism is definitely one. Not like it's the first time it's happened in Australia let alone anywhere else.
I think her biggest mistake was claiming that she bought the mushrooms. That automatically creates witnesses against her. I don't know how it is in Australia, but in many states in the US, selling wild-gathered mushrooms must have the person who collected the mushrooms (who must be a certified mushroom expert), where, and when they were collected. If Erin is really a mushroom collecting expert, there is no excuse for her accidentally killing people with aminitas-- they are very distinctive and pretty much the first thing you learn when studying mushroom collection-- because they are fantastically fatal.
I have to admit that when I first started to listen to your video I wasn't impressed but I decided to listen A little longer and I am glad I did. I love your dry sense of humor, I will be a loyal listener from here on out!
Your comment reminds me of the Excedrin murders in Washington state. The woman poisoned her husband's Excedrin, but then to increase the plausibility of the incident, she also bought additional bottles of Excedrin, poisoned them, and put them back on the shelf at the store. Someone who would commit this type of crime might put deathcaps at the grocery store to try to make it seem plausible that they were purchased there.
Store mushrooms are tested by the FDA. Anyone trying to sell poison to the market gets arrested. You're safe if you shop for them in stores. They get their mushrooms tested in labs for the exact compounds.
If a store, of any kind was selling poison mushrooms, there would have been bigger outburst of death and sickness. Since that doesn't seem to have occurred, I would suggest her foraging expertise, and why she would pick a poison mushroom...
I've watched enough Police interrogations to notice the guilty conveniently forget some details and change their stories to try and fit a narrative. A skilled Detective will find the truth.
It's also true that innocent people change their narrative to suit what they're being told by the police (even when the police are lying). Memory is not "Fixed" it is reconstructed with each telling. An interrogator who doesn't understand this (ie most police) can get someone to re-write their memory - without realising it. For a gold example of this phenomenon look at the "mousetrap" experiment where kids who have never had their fingers caught in a mousetrap explain in detail how it happened after just a few careful formed question sessions. This has frightening implications for law enforcement, especially if you are the suspect.
@HardCandy-fd4vz There is evidence and her story changed. Plus, if the mushrooms were bought at an Asian grocery as she claimed many more people would have gotten sick and died and there'd be warnings posted. Investigation still pending.
@HardCandy-fd4vzwell her phone should have some evidence like maybe gps of her in the woods picking mushrooms. But maybe shes smarter then most murderers and didn't bring her phone, if she didnt then it will be hard to charge her
I have been buying and eating dried mushrooms from various chinese grocers for decades and have never heard of anyone dying from eating these mushrooms incl myself and my family. Her story is just too suspicious😱😱
@@tankthearc9875 poison mushrooms exist, yeah no one is denying that. But sold in grocery stores? That doesn't happen. They're an invasive, pest mushroom you can find all over Australia, there's no need to sell them and it's probably illegal to sell them.
The whole thing smells like Munchausen by proxy to me, especially considering Simon's previous mystery illnesses. I think you may have hit the nail on the head when you mentioned that perhaps she accidentally used a fatal dose.
No, not Munchausen. She meant to kill Simon multiple times but failed. This time she got the formula down right - how much mushroom dosage. It was intentional homicide malice murder x 4.
I also thought about Munchausen by Proxy - make them sick then be the hero and nurse them back to health - that will make them believe she is a charitable woman and they'll encourage Simon to be kind to her. I've seen a woman in action very much like Erin - a seriously scary person. What she did to her kids to get her ex's attention is beyond belief. Erin behaves the same way as this woman when confronted with what she did; and it wasn't one single event, her behaviour went on for the whole 17 years I knew her. Erin's mannerisms, body language, reactions etc. mimic this other woman. When in court once, the judge told her that she "has trouble with the truth" after giving evidence to defend herself - she'd ran her ex's new wife off the road with children in the car - her excuse? She didn't look when changing lanes - even though she had been tailgating, overtaking then pulling back for the previous 15 mins. I see traits of Munchausen by Proxy in her history.@@AbBc-w4q
'Mushrooms With the In-Laws' should become an annual national holiday......... around 16th December would be great, cut down the Christmas gift list 😂.
To me the very obvious hole in Erins Mushroom bought from stores story is simple. Where are the other affected deadly Mushroom eaters. Or did Erin magically grab the only deadly Mushrooms available at store. Add to this she's already lied to Police and there is a custody battle going on. This is one very sickening and sad case.
The Daily Mail today is saying friends describe her as "an expert forager" of edible wild plants & fungi ....
@@sarahholland2600 , I'd generally take what The Daily Fail claims with a pinch of salt but they do have a point with this…
@@sarahholland2600 If she's an "expert" what must the "amateurs" be like?
@@sarahholland2600 Daily Mail...enough said, pure clickbait bound
@@maxalberts2003 I go mushroom hunting. The FIRST thing you learn about is the Death Cap because it looks similar to common button mushrooms and are so deadly. However, you also learn the differences. From memory (I'm going back 30+ years), they have slightly yellow gills.
"Not leaving mushroom for doubt." Priceless humor even though for tragic circumstances.
Yea the dry straight faced puns he throws in occasionally are great 😆
"Mushroom cloud of suspicion" even better! Comedy gold!
And it's deadpan, which makes it even funnier. No cracking up. Just flat faced. Lol
@@takemyjobpleeezYes! That’s why it’s perfect.
Sometimes I wonder if he ever acted like that in therapy sessions with patients. I personally would enjoy it.
“Beef not-so-Wellington”
I’m struggling to imagine how she could have possibly thought she could get away with this. Also, if I owned an Asian food market in that area I would be pretty upset about being maligned like this.
You can tell shes not so bright, low IQ ??? !!!!!!
She’s lying.
@@maryswanson9982 obviously. Even if you don't remember the name of the store....you're going to remember the general area of where it was. If she were telling the truth, she'd want the store to be found.
I’d be sueing the pants off her.
@@helenweatherby1694she hasn't given an address or name of the store. Who is going to sue? The guests are dead.
I've heard horror stories of people deliberately keeping someone sick just so they can care for them in some sort of sick co-dependency. Crazy.
Munchausen by proxy
Munchausen by proxy
I think it’s called Munchausens by proxy, or FDIA ( Factitious Disorder Imposed on Another ) 😟
Munchausen syndrome by proxy.
Remember Gypsy Rose?
I’m in Australia and following this closely… she said she used already dried mushrooms from an Asian store.. so why throw the dehydrator away if she supposedly didn’t use it 🤷♀️ with her ex husband’s past health and near death experience makes you wonder…..
I hear the owners of the Asian stores in Waverly are not happy with her.
If those deadly mushrooms came from a shop months ago, then surely, other mislabelled deadly mushroom purchasers would have been affected. They could have killed other people across Melbourne. If that is the truth. The coroner's report will be interesting.
I buy a lot of dried Asian mushrooms and have never once fallen ill.
since when do asian food stores sell deadly mushrooms?
@@margaretjohnson6259 , they don't! If I was an owner of an Asian Grocery store in Mount Waverley, I'd be seeing red!
As an Asian living in Melbourne, can I just say not cool playing the Asian grocery store card at all, Karen! I have been shopping in Asian grocery stores here for more than 15 years, all mushrooms you can buy here are packaged with strict import requirements, there is no way you can get hand written packaged mushroom anywhere, she is clearly evil and guilty
well you can see how light the ozzy cops are taking it, she might get away with it actually
@NascentCoomer the Victorian police have now arrested Erin Paterson and they are now searching her property so the cops ain't taking it lightly let's just say they obviously have strong suspicions about Erin Paterson no doubt soon we will know if she is going to be charged over the mushroom related deaths.
@@NascentCoomer Dumbass got arrested today.
@@NascentCoomershe has been arrested this morning
Yup I agree. Placing blame on Asian store should be a hate crime in some way if it turns out she is lying which I think she is.
Don Patterson was the nicest gentle soul and a great teacher, I was fortunate to enough to be in a few of his classes after he brought his family in from Botswana back in the mid eighties.
He taught me a lot despite being the poor student I was in school. I still did think of him often. Now I want answers why his life has been shortened.
Ian, I am so sorry for your loss
Dr. Grande, just wanted to make a general comment. As a therapist and a writer, I truly love your brilliant analyses, your wit, puns and impeccable use of alliterations!! Not too many people listen to podcasts about murder before bed, but I go to sleep at nights listening to your videos b/c of your soothing voice. So I usually don't get a chance to comment! But yours is my favorite RUclips channel and I think you are truly a brilliant man. Thanks for the great content.
Comment award🏆
A lot of true crime people listen to this stuff at bed. I like interrogation videos for bedtime 😅
I love his voice too, is calming plus he’s very informative ❤
I put a play list of his for bedtime to. Great voice.😊
You two ought to get a room !
Erin Patterson, the woman at the centre of a mushroom lunch that resulted in the deaths of three people, has been charged with multiple counts of murder and attempted murder.
The 49-year-old was this evening charged with three counts of murder and five counts of attempted murder.
While the murder charges and two of the attempted murder charges relate to the mushroom lunch in July of this year that left three people dead and another critically ill in hospital, the remaining three attempted murder charges relate to historical incidents.
As a aussie, who also believes pretty much anything anyone tells them, im pretty sure she is lying. The Australian food industry is so highly regulated and even seedy grocers are audited, imo she either picked these or got them on the black market and if she had not known they were poisonous she would also be dead. Nothing she says adds up.
My theory is she used the hydrator to dry the poisonous mushrooms and use them later when she needed to. That is why she disposed of it soon after to get rid of evidence that is what it was used for, but the cops found it anyway (fantastic) which no doubt they are testing it forensically . She didn't purchase mushrooms from the Asian store thats a bunch of bull and furthermore the comment her husband made about "poisoning them" he knows, he knows what she is capable of. Just my armchair opinion. This will soon unfold.
Exactly. We have super tight food regulations here. She’s trying to get away with it by blaming an independent Asian grocer as if they are not subject to the same standards somehow.
So Asian grocery shops are automatically 'seedy'?
** So Asian grocery shops are automatically 'seedy'? **
They do sell seeds
@@koobie83They have better quality and lower priced fresh produce than Cloesworth, by far. Hopping people start to realize that they need to use these places, Aldi and Costco and boycott the other two!
I’m from Australia and I believe the police here need to test her deceased parents bodies for poison. When her parents died, she received inheritance.
Well, in fairness, when most parents die their children inherit their money.
@@sandrah5405……yeah, but not TWO multimillion $ properties’………
@@sandrah5405 They both died in the same year, not particularly unusual but when someone is implicated in other deaths two previous ones that result in her inheriting a lot of money need to be looked at again.
That's peanuts in Australia as far as house prices go,@@elizabethroberts6215
@@nlwilson4892 Correct. The statistics on partners dying within a year of each other are high. That's just how it goes.
An update for those interested. She’s just been charged with murder, and they’re investigating this ‘illness’ her ex husband had while living with her.
well thank God!!!
So, if Erin supposedly bought the dried poisonous mushrooms then why would she panic and throw her food dehydrator away? Dried mushrooms don't need to go into a dehydrator and if you put ones from the supermarket into it and there was even the remotest chance they had caused the death of three people then wouldn't you want the police to have that evidence and issue an urgent recall and investigation in order to prevent other deaths? Keep talking Erin.... we're getting closer to the truth each time you do.
ikr which one was it? Did she make her own dried mushrooms or did she buy them?
In the "A Current Affair" episode last night when the journo was interviewing her - she looks like she's working herself up into a state like she's upset but not actually crying. It's almost comical how she keeps changing her story... Hope the man in hospital pulls through....What an awful thing.
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Quite right
Shes not to bright tripping herself up at every turn
I'm with you, Doc. How odd no one else has purchased these deadly mushrooms..The store have only one pack to sell?
They must have been on "Clearance...."
Since the Tylenol scare, they do not fuk around with claims like that.
Yea they test every batch actually. She's definitely lying. In fact I researched a while back what it takes to grow mushrooms and lets say that they will test your batch if you are selling them to markets.
If they are magic or posion you'll be arrested.
Half price for 1 pack of mushrooms only
Thank God she didn't try to contaminate store mushrooms so more people would get sick
The biggest tell for me on her guilty knowledge was the fact that when interviewed by the media shortly after the incident, the crying and weeping by Erin produced no actual tears. Bullsh@t flag right there.
In my view the fact that Erin’s friends said she was an experienced “mushroom forager” is damming evidence against her. She would know how to identify and obtain death cap mushrooms.
Exactly what I thought. Think her friend was trying to make her sound better...
I'm pretty sure Erin is guilty (and not especially smart about hiding it, either), but victims of mushroom poisoning often consider themselves experts, and have foraged mushrooms for years. Unfortunately death caps can be mistaken for edible mushrooms, especially when they're small, or when the color has faded due to rain. I used to forage mushroom and I was always a bit wary about picking Caesar's mushrooms (which are delicious when eaten raw) because they look a lot like death caps.
I agree. Death caps are easy to confuse with a variety of edible mushroooms to the untrained eye - but not for someone experienced, especially if they've foraged the same area for years. That's because you learn which areas are more likely to have death caps and, if you're not wanting to kill anyone, you avoid those areas.
The part that screams premeditation to me, though, is the timing of this lunch and the dehydrator. It's winter in Australia, so the death caps wouldn't have been available to pick fresh. That means that they would have needed to be gathered and stored a significant time in advance. Perfect way to store them? Dehydrate them (which would also change the taste and make the guests less likely to realise what was going on). I'm sure she thoroughly cleaned the dehydrator afterwards, she may have even used it afterwards, and thought that was enough - but, if her husband suspected her (& he knew her better than any of us), put two and two together and challenged her, realising how she'd done it? That would have caused her to panic that a microscopic trace could be left on the appliance and seal her fate, which is why she dumped it in such a rush, and in a careless manner, too (they would know she'd been there through phone tracing, CCTV, etc). I don't think she'd thought that through until he scared her, because it's the only part not carefully planned, but her knee-jerk reaction (immediately dumping it and not having a decent explanation) implies that he was right. Scary, really...
This woman is like Stephen King's "Misery" on steroids! 😏
@@desres2281 that's the first thing I thought when I saw her,Misery 2 the sequel
As an Aussie living in Melbourne I love that Dr Grande pronounces the names of our towns and cities correctly ❤
Is this a tongue in cheek comment? He got Leongatha completely wrong.
** As an Aussie living in Melbourne I love that Dr Grande pronounces the names of our towns and cities correctly **
MAL BORN is the capital city of Victoria. BRISS BANE is the capital city of Queensland.
You can tell your from Melbourne you need to get out more Robyn
I just posted a similar comment.
Before I came across yours 😂🎉❤
Yes agree Karen, as we in Oz know its gath as in.....arrest the ACCused...I think??!!@@karencramer6491
If Erin frequently foraged for fungi, I find it unfathomable that she would forego foraging in favor of finding her fungi at a food mart.
Great alliteration!!😊
Yes, but I do forage and also buy mushrooms. Sometimes it is a hassle to process the mushrooms and you want to make it easy for yourself.
But in the other hand...it is quite rare to use both dried and fresh mushrooms at the same meal. Perhaps, if there was not enough the fresh ones 🤔
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Not hard to imagine though if she didn’t have enough for the meal she was preparing, but NO Asian grocer sells poisonous mushrooms. Customs here are very very thorough and strict when it comes to letting in food items from other countries.
maybe it wasnt mushroom season
Wouldn't you be trying like hell to find the store that sold you those deadly mushrooms? That's your get out of jail card right there. And if you bought dried mushrooms, why did you need a dehydrator?
Erin could take her time to tell the police where she bought those mushroom, mabbe next year, its only the world-deadliest mushroom that could kill all OZ.
Idk why everyone is focused on the mushrooms when the motive is clear. Instead of killing her children to get at the ex husband, she killed his loved ones.
If she found the store she says she brought the poisoned ones from.. how on earth is that going to clear her? they will just deny it and they wont be selling those mushrooms still months later and obviously she still doesn't have the packaging from the mushrooms or she could have just given the police that.
@@tanyabrown9839 Of course we know all that. If she were innocent, she would be trying to find the store that killed her loved ones. Innocent people would also want to stop the store from selling more deadly shrooms. We all know that she picked those mushrooms on purpose, and dried them herself, but a jury would almost certainly clear her if she actually found the store that supposedly sold them to her. I also think she poisoned her husband earlier so she could be the hero and nurse him back to health.
@@tanyabrown9839why hasn't anybody else died from this so called shop
When I saw her on TV here in Aus and crying without any sign of tears then finding out she doesn't remember the name of the Asian store she brought the dehydrated mushrooms from and then throwing her own dehydrator out before the cops got there is highly suspicious to me
The "Asian store" that happened to have deadly mushrooms and she happened to exhaust their stock of said deadly mushrooms. That store.
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Bought not brought.
She's even wiping her eyes and checking for tears. Most grieving people wouldn't bother to do that. Very odd.
Her body language is EPIC. She looks up to the sky, says affirmative statements while shaking her head no. Has ‘hysterical’ tears absent any actual tears and when she’s tired from the acting scene abruptly leaves in some weird confused walk around the car and keeps shaking her head faking the tears and acts all victimized by the press.
Yes! I agree! Those were fake tears! It was pretty good performance. She has had much practice in crying, but she was NOT sorry about what happened.
Did you ever see the Alec Murdaugh interview in the car when he reported finding the bodies? Very similar grief performance, especially rubbing his eyes and then checking his hand as if to see if he's produced any tears. Erin does that several times.
Question? Where does one find or buy poisoning mushrooms? I know she said she bought mushy from an Asian market but that is most likely a lie. So where does one find poison mushrooms? In the forest with Hansel and Gretel?
@@Hummingbirds2023 In paddocks, on the lawn
@@Hummingbirds2023They grow in the wild in the area where Erin lives.
As someone who cooks meals of the non-lethal variety, I find it odd that she used both fresh and dried mushrooms. One would normally use one or the other, not both.
um, when i cook, i use whatever is on hand. so both fresh and dried mushrooms would be used in the same recipe by me.
@@archeewaters You sound like you are desperate to make excuses for her...I can't think of a single instance where you could use both dried and fresh mushrooms except from a soup and that's not what they ate. There is a 0.0% chance she bought those death caps at the grocery store.
edit: Not to mention the nice racist tang to this case of blaming some mysterious Asian store for giving them poison.
@@alexanderorr2528 so funny. i think she's guilty. but i also admit i'm a lousy cook. those 2 things are not naturally exclusive.
@@alexanderorr2528Most beef Wellington recipes use more than one type of mushroom.
@@alexanderorr2528 I don't see it as purely racist just a convenient alibi due to the number of Asian grocers in Melbourne, many of whom do not use English labelling. Still a weak alibi but pity help the poor investigators who have to go door to door looking for the vendor.
I do my Asian grocery shopping in Mount Waverley sometimes. I’ve never seen labels on the packaging for dry mushrooms are handwritten….This morning the Australian mushroom industry issued a statement saying it was impossible for growers to sell poisonous mushrooms in shops.
Some reporters have visited the Asian grocers in the area and they couldn't find any hand written labels either.
Just to play devil's advocate, if I were a store owner who stocked products with hand-written labels, and I heard about this case, I would immediately remove all such products from my store. Not saying that's what happened, it's just a logical possibility.
@@Yuum.yummms I wondered where you are based? I’m Asian and the dry mushroom products I can find in the asian grocers here in Melbourne all have printed labels on them. Maybe this lady went to an Asian grocery store that I have never been and they had packaging with handwritten labels. Would it good to know which store she went to so I can avoid going there.
@@hodgeelmwood8677 umm….I thought the store would be the victim in this if the mushrooms did come from a store, unless the store also grows and sells poisonous mushrooms then they would have a good reason to remove their products from the shelves. Also, we haven’t had any other reported cases of people dying from eating mushrooms bought from the stores in Melbourne recently.
if erin found guilty, she is really a racist besides a cruel killer. malign an asian grocer for nothing. she is an expert mushroom picker and they went for mushroom picking during mushroom season, don't tell me she couldn't identify the world-deadliest mushroom even when its dried?
RIP to the victims. Such a horrific story. Something fishy about Erin for sure.
When Erin goes to prison she wont be allowed in the kitchen.
Yesterday, a tradesman who had worked on a house that she had owned showed photos to the media of bizarre drawings that were all over the wall. They were all to do with death and murdering people, really grim stuff.She had called the guy in to paint over the drawings o the house could be sold, and he took photos with his phone. This whole story is just insane.
to be fair the kids could be playing a fantasy game. I think it is irrelevant to this case. She clearly wanted to kill anyone who could take custody of their children by using death cap mushrooms. Then she could have the kids and claim it was an accident
That's some fast food for thought. Wow!
Amazing that he kept the photo on his phone for a year or more.
@@raia9have a look at your own phone and check when you last deleted pics off it. Prob never! Like most of us.
@@tom5051666 seriously who would do that and think they could get away with it, one would have to be half insane.. and if she did do it why didn't she get rid of the food dehydrator far earlier and only get rid of it after everyone was sick. There is a lot of strangeness in this whole story and I cant figure out if she's innocent or guilty (unlike the Dingo has my baby case in which I always believed they were innocent even after they were wrongly sent to jail).
the fact that her friends know her as an experienced mushroom forager and that she used to write for the local newspaper and once happened to feature an article about growing mushrooms at home is simply not coincidental and enough to make me believe that what she did was premeditated
sorry not enough proof to convict of murder with that
@@tankthearc9875they will get her eventually. For sure she's done it
@@tankthearc9875 thanks judge👍
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If she bought them dried in a packet, so dried that they sat in her cupboard for months then why would she need to put them in her drying machine ?
It's looking like she picked them then dried them herself.
As an experienced mushroom forager, myself.....you don't accidentally buy deathcaps from an Asian grocery. That's a ridiculous story. Even if she doesn't remember the name of the grocery, she can't remember where the store was? She's clearly lying.
If it was deliberate, there was likely a decoy Beef Wellington. One that she and her children ate, and that she handed over for testing. If she absolutely knew death caps were in the dish, no way would she just scrape them off for her kids, and no way did she hand it over
Agree!!
AS an Aussie following this case, it seems to me that the real reason she disposed of the dehydrator is that it was used to process mushrooms that she harvestered herself knowing full well that they were deathcaps. She processed them so that she could then use them at a later time that was convenient.
That seems the most likely explanation by far.
If you're telling the truth you have nothing to hide
Yes that’s damning!
I can also see the her being asked: did you deliberately cut your hair into the shape of a mushroom. Was it before or after you killed them all?
She did say …EXACTLY THAT .. she said she got scared because it was revealed. It was the mushrooms that took their lives and she did get rid of it.
I love foraging for mushrooms. There is absolutely no way she could have confused death cap mushrooms for anything else. Death caps and other closely related poisonous mushrooms have a very specific color, stipe, spore print, and cap. Just knowing a few parts of the mushroom will eliminate all non poisonous options. She knew 1000%
And smell, apparently. A possible reason for using the dehydrator.
If you pick them up properly, then there's no confusion because of the big stub on the bottom of the leg. Some people have picked them as gypsy mushrooms(Cortinarius caperatus) but they two totally different mushrooms. There's no way that experienced forager would have picked death caps by accident, unless she's having early dementia or something like that. You see them from far away and know what they are, if you've been mushroom hunting for ages.
If you forage mushrooms, the first ones you learn to identify are the ones that will kill you!
What if they were dried? Would it still be 1000% ?
@@colettebishop2173 Yes, every mushroom forager knows you don't eat the ones that are white underneath.
Like many murderers, she did a car crash TV interview in her driveway proclaiming her innocence. That was giveaway No.1.
"It was Erin's responsibility to serve a non-lethal lunch". Understatement of the year.
I am completely engrossed by this story, its the wildest case from Australia in recent memory. The motive seems so thin but its looking bad for Erin. Ive never seen anyone cook themselves so badly not in interrogation but via voluntary public statements. Her lawyers must be beside themselves.
Plenty of motives. Resentment, money, revenge... How did her biological mother and father die? Did she or her children put the death cap mushrooms in the meal? If she did not do it then it's obvious that the next possible perpetrators are the kids. Particularly given evidence of the artwork on the wall in a previous rental home they lived in.
You would be interested in the case of Jessica Wongso, an Australian girl who poisoned her friend in Jakarta because she was jealous of her.
As an Aussie some here, a case hasn't intrigued me as much since the dingo got my baby case (which I always thought they were innocent, with this one though I just don't know)
To call it the wildest case is pretty far fetched.
@kylieharrison3782 what artwork are you referring to?
She not only fed her guests poisonous mushrooms. She actively went foraging for them. It's like mushroom hunting for morels, chicken of the woods, chanterelles, etc, except it's the lethal version. She's an expert forager according to her neighbors and friends. That alone proves she's a mycophile. I'm a mycophile. What's the first thing you learn when identifying mushrooms? The lethal ones. You learn what not to eat FIRST. The only thing I can think of where the dehydrator is concerned is she used it to dehydrate death caps because she wasn't sure when she was going to use them. She dehydrated them to save them from spoilage. The dehydrator could possibly still have the DNA from the Amanita phalloides (death cap mushroom). Police could find trace amounts years later. Anyway, she either made 2 beef Wellingtons or she only poisoned half of it. She thought this through backwards and forward. She's committed 1st degree murder, premeditation and all. She wasn't sick from poisoning via mushrooms when she went to the hospital either. She probably took a laxative to cause her diarrhea. If I were the husband, I'd start the divorce papers immediately. She's untrustworthy! 😂😂😂
oh she probably sprinkled them on the victims seven, and not her own. a perfect alibi, mushrooms already in the smellington.
Beef not so Wellington. Classic Dr. Grande. Thank you for the update doc. Keep up the amazing work!
"Not leaving mushroom for doubt" was the headline that brought me here. I couldn't wait to hear all of the fungal puns. :0) Many blessings to you and your wife. ❤
The mushroom cloud pun had me in knots.
I saw one of his viewers had left that comment on the first vid.
@@astaraoneill9166 Oh?
The genius puns, delivered by someone well spoken, and in such a level, clear and dry tone of voice, make these stories easier to listen to. Even though what Erin did was horrible, I appreciate the brief bits of levity 🙂
What's the bet she made a mushroom sauce to go with the beef wellington. Those plates are scraped off and cleaned, as was the pot she cooked the sauce in. The left over BW contains no poisonous mushrooms. She picked those deadly mushrooms, dehydrated them to keep for the sauce sometime down the track and when her ex accused her she ditched the dehydrator.
@apbtainc, ooooh!!! Good thinking!!
That’s how kids ate it the next evening
No sauce on it
Yes! That way if they tested the beef wellington, it would come out clear.
Wow buttons for the bw and deathcaps for the gravy
Good thinking. Your theory fits all the facts. If that's what really did happen, she messed up by saying she included the Asian mushrooms along with button mushrooms in the Beef Wellington. If forensic analysis of the remaining beef Wellington shows only button mushrooms, the police will know for sure that she lied and there's no innocent explanation for coming up with such a preposterous falsehood.
If the mushrooms are so deadly then the whole dish would be contaminated and she couldn't just pick them out so she could feed them to her kids without them getting a bit sick too. So maybe these mushrooms were prepared on the side and added specifically to the older guests dishes, so many weird little details not making sense that it is hard to understand what really happened.
yes good point, the poison from mushrooms would "leak out " so this is plausible explanation.
BINGO!
@@mrazik131 Not true. You have to consume the mushroom and a decent amount of them to have liver failure.
That’s not true. Just one mushroom can kill.
Absolutely, the juices would always come out unless the mushrooms were added really late, and then being dried, they would be unpalatable.
With death caps, it would only require half of one to contaminate the dish, so this could have been pree coocked ready and added at the last minute.
The dry humour is really appreciated. Respect from South Africa
There are less than 10 Asian grocery stores within a 2 hour drive of Erin's town, based on what little digging I did on Google Maps. I find it extremely difficult to believe she would be unable to identify which store she bought mushrooms from if her story was to be true.
She claimed she got them in the Mount Waverley area which is much closer to Melbourne and conveniently has lots of Asian stores.
That makes a little more sense, I just assumed. Thank you for informing me. I live somewhere rural so I have trouble imagining not remembering which Asian store you went to because we only have one nearby. @@AmyBurchall
She has a lot of convenient lies. She has motive when it’s a divorce or custody battle.
I don't believe her story either, especially since most of the people who would've had the ability to fight for custody were all at the dinner. @@wickedfairy2370
@@-_-Onyx-_- I personally think that if you live out of the city as she does then you'd be more inclined to remember exactly what shop you bought something from, as you're not going into the city often.
She knew exactly what she was doing.
She did
Yes, she knew what she wanted to do, but she was not alert enough to judge her action plan to be unforgivably vile and transparent.
What do you think the motive would be?
@lf9341 money
Maybe she only half knew what she was doing. Maybe she wanted to make them ill, not dead, just as she (probably) did to her husband when he was hospitalised. Different batch of death caps may have different severity of effect. She may be an experienced forager. It I’d guess her experience of poisoning is more limited
Thank you for the update Dr. Grande 🙏
Dr Grande.....man, you are ON THE ball.! I'm an Aussie, and I only read the update in my news feed this morning. You're fabulous 👌
You don't need to announce you're an aussie, no one cares!
I'm waiting to see what he thinks of the drawings in the other house. Bunny boiler comes to mind.
I’m a psychiatrist with a background in forensics. I love your work. Please analyse the case of Wayne couzen the killer cop. Your analyses are soo good.
Id like to read your take on this mushroom case Mary. I think the police are waiting on toxicology results
yet you misspell analysis
@@algonquin7187 Analyses is the plural form of analysis! Must suck being Pedantic and wrong at the same time.
@@madmick6275 sure....i believe you....sure.....you probably think shes innocent
@@algonquin7187 Wrong again! I do not believe she is innocent. But due to the bias law standards in our country i doubt she will do any real time if proven guilty.
Yes, it would be a miracle if Erin Patterson isn't guilty, but this is a prime example of how people who commit crimes talk themselves into prison. Defense attorneys are always telling their clients to shut up but that advice is seldom followed. Those who come up with plans to commit murders and follow through with them usually have a lot to say to the police and their stories tend to become increasingly convoluted and contradictory until their explanations themselves become the prosecutor that convicts them.
reminds me of the drunk guy who essentially ratted on himself to a police officer, because he couldn't help but subtly brag about his crime. He was hammered, walking down the street and just approached a cop and started talking. Google "Marek Hecko video". My favourite quote "You're gonna think it was meeeee, but its not gonna be meeeee, cos there's no proof", all in an over the top Slovakian accent, naturally.
Boo hoo, criminals are stupid and want leniency, who cares.
Good point
Saying nothing will not look good in front of the jury anyway, when u are guilty it is a problem u will have to deal with eventually.
Hard to believe that an experienced mushroom forager would use store-bought mushrooms for such a fancy meal. I bet the grocer didn't appreciate being named as the source, either. The duper's delight was readily apparent in her expression as she pretended to cry. Her overly-dramatic sobs sounded more like barely suppressed laughter. I winced every time she poked herself in the eye. I wondered that she let her tousled hair hang over her eyes, too.
and she kept checking her fingers to see if there were tears. She was not wearing makeup. She was screwing her face up to try to manufacture tears. They weren't there.
And grieving person would be in denial of thier losses
Not accepting
States’ they were good people’
Hard to say. I gather wild mushrooms but still buy them because mushrooms are seasonal. Also there are good years and bad years for wild mushroom production. I haven't found many the last couple of years.
@@tinknal6449 I thought the same thing as cloisterene. And given that this was a specially prepared lunch, one would think that she would have wanted her personal touch by including mushrooms that she herself had gathered. But point noted.
@@markusgorelli5278 I'm sure that is exactly what she did, I'm just sharing my own experience as a mushroom hunter. I've had a long dry spell due to 3 years of summer droughts.
I never jump to conclusions in crime cases until there are arrests. But as soon as I saw her first interview I knew she had something to do with it!...and Everytime she makes another statement it gets more strange.
Wow!! Extremely disturbing
I never jump to conclusions until I see the evidence and the counter-evidence and both sides make their case in the court. And even then I could still be wrong cuz it's possible there's more that I don't know.
Exactly, the police and media can make ur two yr old look guilty and people will believe it.
It's a bit hard not to believe she's guilty after seeing the death wall.
Good to see you don't jump to conclusions......BUT
erin kept changing her statements, not helping public to identify which asian grocer store nor help public to identify what killed her 'beloved' ex-parents. doesn't she wants to know what killed her beloved ex-parents? meanwhile keep getting her beloved ex-father-in-law name interchanged with the pastor.
From what I have gathered from these two programs, It appears that Erin wanted to kill all the people who were talking against her and therefore preventing, in her mind, from winning her ex-husband back. She might have thought that he would be overcome with grief. She would console him and he would then take her back, or maybe she wanted to hill him as well.
She didn't succeed in killing him the first time, so she had to up the ante. He didn't even show up because he didn't trust her. It is so sad so many people had to die from her delusion, and she didn't even get the one she hated the most. She must really feel stupid right now. Maybe they will make her a cook in prison 😛
I believe she intended to make the family sick, not kill them. She would have then swooped in and rescued everybody then Simon would realize how much he needed her and would be so grateful. The fact that so many of her guests got sick at the same time in itself sticks out but add to that her foraging knowledge and the fact Simon got mysteriously ill last year and that just pins it for me.📌 Unless a dingo gets involved I think we have our culprit.
How would she 'rescue' 'everybody' exactly. No really, elaborate on that one. I'm sure we'd all love to know what your wandering whimsical 'thoughts' are. Better yet call the police and share them.
@@PrecociousFriand You could probably direct your abnormally passionate ire against comment-thread musings to a more deserving recipient.
@spinetingler-op6st I think the only reason she didn't give mushrooms to the kids is because she didn't know how much to give them--it was riskier, as if sickening her entire dinner party wouldn't stand out in and of itself.
@@PrecociousFriandshe would be the only person not sick and take care of her estranged husbands family. He'd have to come back. It's called enmeshment. Make herself valuable.
enter the dingo...somewhere in this scenario?
Australian here.
Thank you very much for covering this tragedy Dr. Grande.
Your pronounciatiom of Melbourne is perfectly OZ !!
Love your thorough investigations (and your very dry sense of humour)!
No way she bought thise mushrooms. As an experienced mushroom forager, she's picked them deliberately. If she'd picked them by mistake she'd be in shock, admitting the mistake, apologising from the bottom of her heart and begging for mercy.
She dumped the dehydrator,case closed fortunately
@@Jack-r2v9b Her explanation for doing so doesn't fool anybody either.
The four guests for lunch had food poisoning that night. She gave the children leftovers the next lunchtime. Did noone contact her by then to let her know the others were sick? Did the children have no effects from remnants on the meat? It was two days later before she went to hospital with gastro which seems a long gap. The more she elaborates the more unbelievable she sounds.
Surely even if she picked out the mushrooms for the kids the toxins would have spread all over the dish by that time?
Good point! And if the guests were deathly ill, why give the same food to her kids?
She could of made two beef Wellingtons, one for the people she wanted to kill/injure and the other was for her and children. She then just lied about scrapping off the mushrooms and being sick herself.
@@Ariadne76-k3dwe have no idea if she actually gave her kids leftovers, that is just hers and the kids story.
@jaybe2908 of course! That's so likely it should be obvious, but you're the first person I've seen pointing it out.
I just love listening to your videos Dr. Grande. As is obvious, I love people with common sense which seems to be completely lacking these days. So whenever I hear your common sense analysis of most situations, I mostly agree with your analysis, and feel relieved that at least one person out there still has a brain, oh, and a great sense of humor! Thanks you!
Smart man right here
I’m in Victoria and her story about buying the mushrooms from a store is absolute BS we have very strict rules regarding mushroom growers in Australia and it is impossible for the store to have had those mushrooms, Erin best come clean cause it’s not looking good for her at all
Ya think?!
Smartarse
You right! She best come clean!
As a chef there is no way you would use dried Chinese mushrooms in beef Wellington!
as a non chef, i would.
@@archeewatershave you ever made Beef Wellington
@@THE-id1byI only know what that is because of chef Ramsay lol
Who said they were chinese mushrooms? She said she got them from an asian (or Chinese) grocery story. Its assumed that most things would be of asian origin but most produce isn't considered ethnic
@@THE-id1by Clearly they haven't. Think that was the joke....
Kia Ora, greetings from New Zealand Doctor Grande, kudos for your plainspeak thoughts and I enjoy your presentations immensely, great food for thought.
Yeah, just the fact that she isn't trying to find the store is enough for me. How do you just not know lol that's completely ridiculous.
also it is not like in small town there is so MANY stores....
@@mrazik131no , she lives in a small town 😮
@@joannemurdock7899 She reckons she went to the city to buy the offending mushrooms, but that's still no reason not to remember. When I go to the city I don't forget what shops I've been to. In fact for people like me and her who live out of the city it would actually be easier to remember where you purchased goods from because you don't go in every day or every week.
@@It-is-me...Melsie it was mentioned the city us a 2 hour drive? Hmmmm
11 asian grocery stores near her @@mrazik131
Great analysis! I'm so invested in this case (and really glad i.hate mushrooms!)
My thoughts...Why get rid of the dehydrator if the mushrooms were purchased dry?
Even if she'd scraped the mushrooms off her kids meals, there would be residue and they would have got sick... nothing adds up in this case. I think she intentionally did it.
4:50 I don’t think it’s strange that she could remember that the dried mushrooms were in a packet with a handwritten label, but couldn’t remember where she bought them. Presumably they were still in the packet right before she cooked them, so seeing the label would’ve been fresh in her mind. Whereas having bought the dried mushrooms months ago it’s quite understandable that she could no longer remember the store where she bought them.
Few people are gullible enough to believe her cock-and-bull story. You can excuse away any one thing, but taken together the numerous inconsistencies and absurdities prove that this was premeditated murder.
Exactly 💯
I came here to write the same thing. Not remembering where someone bought something is not strange at all. I would not remember this from months earlier although I may remember a label that was on it just days later.
Sje would also be quite traumatised from the events of the last few days so brain fog and confusion could be an issue.
I would remember exactly where I bought them , particularly from an Asian store. It’s not like there is an Asian grocery store in every suburb like coles and Woolies.
@@jacquelinehaddon999 depends wber you live, how many Asian stores there are and how long youhad them. I have a bag of dehydrated mushrooms from an Asian grocerin my pantry an have no idea where or when I bought it.
She served her signature dish " il Fungo la Sorpresa " ( Mushroom Surprise )
Its worth looking into her own parents mysterious deaths in 2019 in which she got their estate there after.
Her story has more holes than Swiss cheese
Wow I didn't know that. Massive red flag right there. omg.
Absolutely. I would agree.
Dr Grande is such a fun guy!
Where's the laugh emoji when I need it? That title! 😂🤣 How do you keep a straight face Dr. Grande?
She says she picked the mushrooms out for her children the next
day. The poison would be through the food, it wouldn't have stayed in the mushrooms after cooking and standing overnight.
I would like to know more about her visit to the hospital, did she fake being poisoned, or did she have a small taste to make it seem she was a victim.
This is just like an Agatha Christie movie, and if she is innocent I feel sorry for her.
Whatever, hopefully the police will get to the bottom of this.
When I would study for a test back when I went to school, I would often remember where on the page the information I need was located and which page it was (not number but relative to the studied content), while I wouldn't remember the information itself. So I do believe it's possible to remember random details like handwritten label but not the location. However in this case it seems a lot more likely that Erin cannot remember the location of the store simply because it doesn't exist.
I am like that too. I know where the information is located (relatively). And whether it is a right hand page or left hand. I just can't remember what it is. Very aggravating. lol.
If she is a forager and interested in mushrooms - I can see her browsing Asian and other stores looking at their selections. She must therefore have a map in her mind of which asian stores have the best selections and which are not worth visiting. So it would make more sense to say that she doesn't know *which* one she bought it at - versus not knowing at all. She should have been able to provide a list of her favorite places for the investigators to check.
Actively learning something is not the same as reading something in passing
While it seems odd that she wouldn't remember where the store was, comparing it to the label makes no sense to me. She claims to have bought the mushrooms months ago, but presumably would have seen the label on the package the day she cooked them. So the handwritten label would be very fresh in her mind while the store itself might not.
Also how could you forget the location of a store you went to SO badly that you can't deduce which one it was by looking at all the Asian supermarkets in the area and just narrow it down to which one it was? Any adult with a normal brain should easily be able to do this. Also her phone, if her GPS is on, which most people leave it on, her location data is easy to pull up... Anyway, I'm sure the police are way ahead of us lolm, its just annoying having no details of their investigation.
Unless it is a major city, in Australia, there are generally only one or two Asian supermarkets in some of the bigger towns. Not hard to track down any in the area. If they have made any identification mistakes( which I think is unlikely), surely other custoners would be suffering as well.
I love your dry sense of humour and I could listen to your voice all day!
If she mistakenly used the poisonous mushrooms, and if she then went to seek early medical treatment to protect her liver, why did she not let the others know to also seek early treatment? And if the mushrooms were labelled, and if she labelled them, how could she make such a mistake? It is highly improbable that those mushrooms were sold in a grocery store.
A very good point. She went to hospital 2 days later and they gave her liver protecting drugs. How did they know what drugs to give her if she did not tell them it was mushrooms? And she did not warn the others???!!!! Guilty as hell.
She probably faked her illness by taking lots of laxatives that would certainly give her stomach cramps and diarrhoea
@@mjremy2605 they treated her for mushroom poisoning, because they'd had 4 cases earlier in the week.
@@SKY031 OK, that is true. I was wrong. But they went the day after and she went a day after they did, not the same time. So another red flag. Poison works the same way in everyone.
sold in a grocery store she doesn't remember the name or location of apparently. The name, ok maybe you forget, but there's no fucking way she forgets the location so bad, she can't deduce which Asian supermarket it was... Like how many are there in that area? Pull up a list of them, show her the addresses and say which one was it? If she can't remember that, there's something seriously wrong with her memory. Just pull up her GPS data from her phone. Im sure the police obviously already know all this, its just frustrating not having any details of their investigation.
“Not Leaving Mushroom for Doubt “
You’re the best, Doc!
Dial M for Murder
Dude, I don't know how I found your channel but I am loving your wit, humor, analysis, insight and just plain awesomeness!! haha
A local and very sad case for me. Thanks for covering this Australian case Dr Grande 🇦🇺
the insidious part of deathcap mushrooms is that by the time symptoms start showing it is already far, far too late to administer an antidote. It will already have done so much damage that recovery is incredibly unlikely. youd have to realize what you ate directly afterward to stand a chance
Fascinating story Dr. Grande. Keep us posted! Take care friend.
How anyone can compare the tragic Azaria Chamberlain case to this killer mushroom case. Omg seriously
plus, if her kids really did eat the food..even while taking the mushrooms out, the food itself would still be tainted… as the mushrooms were cooked into it. i feel like she is lying about that, also.. to try and act as if she was unaware or whatever.
edit:wors
I live in Australia and this is on the news everywhere
That woman is seriously emotionally immature and a narcissist.
She should be arrested already
The longer they wait the more she is incriminating herself with her admission of lying to the police, what else will she say about the incident? I think she will be arrested in time, the slow grind investigation and media attention will reveal more
Narcissists can never accept responsibility and always play victim, by sobbing or becoming very nasty.
This woman needs a psychological evaluation by professionals.
I believe she did this out of spite.
Her acting is so bad......but it is childlike, which narcissists are.
Yes. Now likely a Murderer
She is a murderer and what personality disorder she has is totally irrelevant. Poisoning is the most premeditated murder and thus it used to carry mandatory death penalty.
She supposedly 'panicked' and threw away the food dehydrator but not the Beef Wellington that she cooked and linked her to the death of her guests? Yeah right!!🙄🙄
How do we know that it was the same beef Wellington?
@@rubyoro0right as they could’ve ate something somewhere else before coming to her home to have lunch. They aren’t going to charge her as they don’t have the mushrooms to prove she did anything. She foraged mushrooms often and if she did pick deadly mushrooms by accident & in fact went to the hospital on the same day as they did, & there was nothing showing they were poisoned in their labs.
Exactly! And then she says she fed the leftover beef Wellington to her kids the next day for either lunch or dinner. That doesn’t make any sense. Wasn’t that after the in-laws had been hospitalised? The seriousness of the situation was known by then. She, herself had been to hospital and treated with liver protecting medicine. It doesn’t add up.
@@dudemorris7769she said she bought the mushrooms from an Asian grocery store in Melbourne 2 hours away and wasn’t sure the name so she didn’t pick them. If they were from that store then we would have even bigger ramifications if it was true as everyone who bought mushrooms there would be at risk of death. Yet no other deaths. She couldn’t name the store either
@bluestarblue22 In the video it just says the kids had left overs, not when they ate them. It could of been shortly after the guests left, and before anyone felt ill.
Insightful analysis with hidden dry humor that is perfectly used. Great points made.
Just the title alone made me laugh so hard.😂 You have a wonderful way of respectfully adding humor into these tragic cases. I missed alot of July and Aug videos due to 2 vacations (one almost killed me but i survived) and am so excited to have so many new to catch up on. You're awesome ❤️
I was able to resist his earlier video on this. (Got stuff to do) But had to click with that title. Well, back to running my errands now.
@@markusgorelli5278 yeah his title to this video is hilarious 🤣I love the wit and cleverness in Dr. Grande's humor.
Thank you Dr. Grande! What a fun-gi you are!
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You’ve outdone yourself this time, Dr. Grande!
This is a classic class of a female serial killer/murderer, poison is a woman's go to for their crimes. She could also have Munchausens by proxy, since she 'cared' for her ex-husband illness, but poisoners also put on a show when killing people.
I have a feeling that she's going to found guilty, I hope she rots, these people can't really be cured through therapy.
She also killed her parents.
i think so , i find her disposing the food dehydrator sus,
She's going to be let go. Australian cops are gullible and inept.
Being familiar with those mushrooms I can say theres really no way they were bought at a store. The likelihood that a producer and packager managed to get Amanitas in just her package and no one else's is really zero. She also seems a bit off and not terribly bright.
What about food tampering? Some sicko could have bought the pack, inserted some poison, and then put it back on the shelf. If nothing else, it is enough to cast reasonable doubt in a court case.
Possible 🤷♀@@propheteyebert7063
@@propheteyebert7063show supporting evidence that she bought the mushrooms from the store. Conspiracy theories are not grounds for reasonable doubt.
@@propheteyebert7063 Worth a shot as the defence.
@@propheteyebert7063 Food tampering is absolutely a theory I've mentioned. Personally I believe she's guilty AF but we have to keep an open mind to all possibilities and product terrorism is definitely one. Not like it's the first time it's happened in Australia let alone anywhere else.
Thank you Dr T. Grande for the interesting upload
Dr Grande is a real fungi for doing an update so fast.
Now that's TOO good!
I think her biggest mistake was claiming that she bought the mushrooms. That automatically creates witnesses against her. I don't know how it is in Australia, but in many states in the US, selling wild-gathered mushrooms must have the person who collected the mushrooms (who must be a certified mushroom expert), where, and when they were collected.
If Erin is really a mushroom collecting expert, there is no excuse for her accidentally killing people with aminitas-- they are very distinctive and pretty much the first thing you learn when studying mushroom collection-- because they are fantastically fatal.
We have very strict public food health regulations here in Australia. There is no way she bought them from a shop
HA HA HA HA!! "Beef-not-so-wellington." I love that, that's so funny!!
I have to admit that when I first started to listen to your video I wasn't impressed but I decided to listen A little longer and I am glad I did. I love your dry sense of humor, I will be a loyal listener from here on out!
Dr. Grande you are a treasure. Txs so much for your videos.
Happy birthday. Love the channel!
What's scary is her desperation. I wouldn't buy mushrooms for a while if I lived within a 100-mile radius of this woman😢
Same !!!
It's not the mushrooms from a supermarket. She went and picked those bloody mushrooms deliberately. 🍄
... and NEVER ever eat foraged mushrooms !!!!
Your comment reminds me of the Excedrin murders in Washington state. The woman poisoned her husband's Excedrin, but then to increase the plausibility of the incident, she also bought additional bottles of Excedrin, poisoned them, and put them back on the shelf at the store. Someone who would commit this type of crime might put deathcaps at the grocery store to try to make it seem plausible that they were purchased there.
Store mushrooms are tested by the FDA. Anyone trying to sell poison to the market gets arrested. You're safe if you shop for them in stores. They get their mushrooms tested in labs for the exact compounds.
If a store, of any kind was selling poison mushrooms, there would have been bigger outburst of death and sickness. Since that doesn't seem to have occurred, I would suggest her foraging expertise, and why she would pick a poison mushroom...
Yes so true
Well done. Tnx.
I am SERIOUSLY HAPPY that YT is used also by intelligent people for good cause, not just by half braindead and narcissists. Gr8.
I've watched enough Police interrogations to notice the guilty conveniently forget some details and change their stories to try and fit a narrative. A skilled Detective will find the truth.
It's also true that innocent people change their narrative to suit what they're being told by the police (even when the police are lying).
Memory is not "Fixed" it is reconstructed with each telling. An interrogator who doesn't understand this (ie most police) can get someone to re-write their memory - without realising it.
For a gold example of this phenomenon look at the "mousetrap" experiment where kids who have never had their fingers caught in a mousetrap explain in detail how it happened after just a few careful formed question sessions.
This has frightening implications for law enforcement, especially if you are the suspect.
So true.
Oh she's so guilty... they're just waiting to have enough evidence to nail her.
@HardCandy-fd4vz There is evidence and her story changed. Plus, if the mushrooms were bought at an Asian grocery as she claimed many more people would have gotten sick and died and there'd be warnings posted. Investigation still pending.
@HardCandy-fd4vzwell her phone should have some evidence like maybe gps of her in the woods picking mushrooms. But maybe shes smarter then most murderers and didn't bring her phone, if she didnt then it will be hard to charge her
I have been buying and eating dried mushrooms from various chinese grocers for decades and have never heard of anyone dying from eating these mushrooms incl myself and my family. Her story is just too suspicious😱😱
well obviously they do exist, though i think she did it also, but as doc said there is reasonable doubt
@@tankthearc9875 poison mushrooms exist, yeah no one is denying that. But sold in grocery stores? That doesn't happen. They're an invasive, pest mushroom you can find all over Australia, there's no need to sell them and it's probably illegal to sell them.
Thank you . . . For your candor & sense of humor💯👍 Always interesting & entertaining
The whole thing smells like Munchausen by proxy to me, especially considering Simon's previous mystery illnesses. I think you may have hit the nail on the head when you mentioned that perhaps she accidentally used a fatal dose.
If she caused both sets of illnesses, to Simon and then his relatives, she very almost killed Simon too. Nothing accidental about it!
No, not Munchausen. She meant to kill Simon multiple times but failed. This time she got the formula down right - how much mushroom dosage. It was intentional homicide malice murder x 4.
How silly.
you should probably look up Munchausen by proxy. You dont seem to understand what it is.
I also thought about Munchausen by Proxy - make them sick then be the hero and nurse them back to health - that will make them believe she is a charitable woman and they'll encourage Simon to be kind to her. I've seen a woman in action very much like Erin - a seriously scary person. What she did to her kids to get her ex's attention is beyond belief. Erin behaves the same way as this woman when confronted with what she did; and it wasn't one single event, her behaviour went on for the whole 17 years I knew her. Erin's mannerisms, body language, reactions etc. mimic this other woman. When in court once, the judge told her that she "has trouble with the truth" after giving evidence to defend herself - she'd ran her ex's new wife off the road with children in the car - her excuse? She didn't look when changing lanes - even though she had been tailgating, overtaking then pulling back for the previous 15 mins. I see traits of Munchausen by Proxy in her history.@@AbBc-w4q
'Mushrooms With the In-Laws' should become an annual national holiday......... around 16th December would be great, cut down the Christmas gift list 😂.
Excellent analysis and your opinion is valued. thank you making this suspicious case make sense. It a very strange and shocking incident for Australia
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