Oh muito obrigado por seus testemunhos da história do inicio da restauração da igreja. E obrigado por trazê-la compartilhando seu conhecimento. Deus abençoe voces
I am having a hard time understanding why the seer stone is being promoted. Can anyone give me a reference in the revelations from the Lord, or a quote from Joseph Smith or Oliver Cowdery about Joseph using a seer stone to translate? All I find is references to the "interpreters" or the "Urim and Thummim" which Moroni gave to Joseph for the purpose of translating from the plates. And if the plates were not used, why did Moroni even give them to Joseph. This whole Book of Mormon could have been done without the plates or the Urim and Thummim if all Joseph needed was a stone and a hat.
The seer-stones/urim and thummin/interpreters are all the same thing. Joseph did need the plates - he originally wrote down the various characters from the plates and used the stones to learn what the different characters meant. The stones were then used as part of his translation process while he was learning the language. Eventually he had learned the language and was able to read the characters without the stones.
@@kristend344I have never seen an illustration of Joseph using the plates. The impression is given that he doesn't really use the plates. He uses a Seer stone that he looks add in the hat. I too have wondered about the plates and how they were actually used by him. I wish we had a diary of those wonderful days Oliver speaks of translating
It’s unfortunate that as great as Scripture Central’s content is, they’ve chosen to espouse the seer stone and hat narrative. Not sure why the Church has allowed the development of this narrative at the expense of ridicule from Ex-mos and other critics. Joseph and Oliver always spoke about the Nephite or ancient interpreters in connection with the translation process. Do we really think that Joseph would have used something other than what he was given by the Lord after already disobeying him RE the 116 pp? The Lord created this tool, gave it to the Brother of Jared, passed it through many generations and created the plates so that in the end, Joseph could use his own seer stone and leave the plates covered?
“Men” back then included women depending on the context, so hold back on the assumption it’s not her being involved. Not the best reason to rely on. Don Bradley is far more convincing is showing that she was not involved with the missing pages.
Listened to the first few minutes and am a bit disturbed and irritated by the men vs women evil comment. In English the word men can have a universal application, and I highly doubt that there are no evil and designing women sadly. I will listen further with scepticism if I continue at all
I think that evil men reference was only to this instance. Of course there are evil women but Dolly seems to have missed out on the criticism at this time period
Thanks so much Sis Lynn Hilton Wilson and Sis Janice Johnson! Powerful video!
Thank you so much! Your enthusiasm and testimony, come right through these videos and speak to so many about the gospel here on the Earth.
Thank you!! It was a little difficult to follow when you talk over each other so often but I like getting all the history around sections 3-5.
Great to listen to two sisters so knowledgeable and enthusiastic as you. Thank you for taking the time to share.
Fabulous lesson! Thank you so much!
Excellent
That was such a rich discussion! Thank you!
Great information. It seemed like there were moments where the guest’s insights could have been explored more fully.
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This was the most amazing discussion! Thank you! Be sure to include Janice again.
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Oh muito obrigado por seus testemunhos da história do inicio da restauração da igreja. E obrigado por trazê-la compartilhando seu conhecimento. Deus abençoe voces
When you have a guest I feel she/he should have had more time to share their knowledge! It’s all great info! But let them share more! Thx! 😮❤🙏🏻🤗
Agreed. Very distracting to constantly be cutting them off with more or additional information. Let them speak !
Doesn’t know it will be a spiritual translation yet… good point
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I am having a hard time understanding why the seer stone is being promoted. Can anyone give me a reference in the revelations from the Lord, or a quote from Joseph Smith or Oliver Cowdery about Joseph using a seer stone to translate? All I find is references to the "interpreters" or the "Urim and Thummim" which Moroni gave to Joseph for the purpose of translating from the plates. And if the plates were not used, why did Moroni even give them to Joseph. This whole Book of Mormon could have been done without the plates or the Urim and Thummim if all Joseph needed was a stone and a hat.
The seer-stones/urim and thummin/interpreters are all the same thing.
Joseph did need the plates - he originally wrote down the various characters from the plates and used the stones to learn what the different characters meant. The stones were then used as part of his translation process while he was learning the language. Eventually he had learned the language and was able to read the characters without the stones.
@@kristend344I have never seen an illustration of Joseph using the plates. The impression is given that he doesn't really use the plates. He uses a Seer stone that he looks add in the hat. I too have wondered about the plates and how they were actually used by him. I wish we had a diary of those wonderful days Oliver speaks of translating
@@jenchace3601 I don't rely upon illustrations, but written records from multiple *reliable* sources.
@kristend344 ...was just saying
I cannot find ‘scripture study’ on the main page to press to guide me to your page / resources. Please help!
I can't either
It’s unfortunate that as great as Scripture Central’s content is, they’ve chosen to espouse the seer stone and hat narrative. Not sure why the Church has allowed the development of this narrative at the expense of ridicule from Ex-mos and other critics. Joseph and Oliver always spoke about the Nephite or ancient interpreters in connection with the translation process. Do we really think that Joseph would have used something other than what he was given by the Lord after already disobeying him RE the 116 pp?
The Lord created this tool, gave it to the Brother of Jared, passed it through many generations and created the plates so that in the end, Joseph could use his own seer stone and leave the plates covered?
What is the 'Lucy' Book Lynn referred to please?
Lynn, let your guest tell what SHE knows too. More guest respect would help.
Agreed. Let them speak. Quit interrupting the guest
“Men” back then included women depending on the context, so hold back on the assumption it’s not her being involved. Not the best reason to rely on. Don Bradley is far more convincing is showing that she was not involved with the missing pages.
Listened to the first few minutes and am a bit disturbed and irritated by the men vs women evil comment. In English the word men can have a universal application, and I highly doubt that there are no evil and designing women sadly. I will listen further with scepticism if I continue at all
I think that evil men reference was only to this instance. Of course there are evil women but Dolly seems to have missed out on the criticism at this time period
Good moonshine is not as toxic. No hangovers.
It's called trimester not trisemester.
Such good information but you chose to focus on one little blip, sad.
Have you never had a slip of the tongue?