The difference between IOI being a decent season and being a bottom of the barre tier season was a coin flip. If Janet wins, IOI is redeemed just enough in my eyes. The merge episode up to Dan being removed is still garbage but if Janet pulls through with a win the season is at least ok.
Idk dude I feel like she still wouldn’t have beaten Tommy. He had all the connections on the jury. It might have been a closer vote than the Tommy/Dean vote, but I still think Tommy would’ve squeaked by
Saikou210 Fair enough. I don’t think Tommy was an undeserving winner, but I definitely rooted for Janet until she got booted. Hope they bring her back in a future season, hopefully one with less controversial characters
Stephen Fishbach has proposed A very interesting idea for the return challenge works if fire tokens are in play: the later you’re eliminated the further along in the challenge you start and vice versa, but if eliminated earlier you have more chances to get more fire tokens to buy advantages in the return challenge
Cirie is truly the best to never win, especially after getting screwed out of what seemed to be a winning game not once, but twice. First in Fans vs Favorites by the final 2 twist, then in Game Changers by advantage-geddon
Russel absolutely dominated the first 2 times he ever played and lost the third time cause he was a huge threat. If the juries weren't salty af he would've won back to back seasons and been a 2 time winner
@@jackclausen7252 I used to agree with you, but part of survivor is jury management. A lot of people didn't like him. He was mean and many other things. He played a good game yeah, but you have to remember that you put the jury there and they have to like you still. He didn't do that.
@@jackclausen7252 The only reason Russell ever made it to the end was because he was easy to beat in front if the jury. You keep him around because he'll never get any votes.
@@evildeathcuddles886 and?? what are you gonna do about it??? hmm??? I'm a south-east asian growing up in India, so don't even try me with your bs, little girl 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Man I feel so bad for Janet! Not just because she would have been the most redeeming winner of S39 but also because she lost the game on a coin flip....
I'm glad you took such a mature stance on Cirie's elimination and looked at it in a more nuanced way than most. You're one of the only content creators to date (AFAIK) who acknowledges that advantage hoarding was the primary issue, not over-saturation of advantages. The three idols in play were merely due to players being conservative with idols and hoarding them for weeks. Tai's idols were found at the wells of 2 original tribes' camps and Troy's idol was found at a challenge after the first swap. Not one of the idols played that night had been from the merged tribe's camp. They had all been found prior and saved. Additionally, if you were to ask me, I would argue that the legacy advantage was the least problematic advantage played that night, as it had been designed to be less powerful than an idol (since it could only be used at the final 6). Additionally, only a player who found it or had it willed to them could use it, unlike an idol which could be passed around and played for anyone. I think Cirie's elimination was just a combination of unfortunate circumstances and high-level play from the others. The production didn't give the players too many advantages. The players just chose to hold on to them as long as they could. I do, however, agree that advantages should have been given a "lifespan" earlier, and if they had, this situation would have been avoided.
I agree. A lot of people don't realize that there was only one other Idol played that entire season besides Night 36, that being the idol Tai played on Sierra to eliminate Malcolm.
@@Captain-Sum.Ting-Wong even as far back as season 25, there were three idols pre-merge, which means this theoretically could have taken place at the final five if the season played out differently. Are you really going to make the argument that Survivor: Philippines had too many advantages?
I’m not sure, but I think that Cirie could win GC if it wasn’t for all of the advantages Without the legacy advantage: 6. Sarah idoled out by Tai’s idol. (3-3 Tai and Sarah) 5. Tai either voted for by Cirie or idoled out by Troy (3- 2 Tai and Troy) 4.Aubry- Cirie gets Brad and Troy to believe that she’s a bigger threat. (3-1 Aubry and Cirie) Cirie wins getting every vote except for maybe Sierra. ____________________________ Without Troy’s idol 6.Troy. Cirie wins fire making easily. (She’s played Survivor for over 120 days don’t tell me she wouldn’t win Fire just cuz she lost her 1st season) 5.Sarah (3-2 Sarah and Tai) Cirie is the swing but easily sides with Tai and Aubry 4.Tai (2-2) Cirie wins fire again and she convinces Brad, who wants Tai out bad, to vote for Tai.
this is a nice alternate universe and all, but they wouldve had to have had rocks for brains to allow cirie to face the jury when she wins against anyone. i think she just gets voted out f5 or f4 if theres no advantage train
abby rose Yeah in both of these situations it revolves around Cirie convincing at least one person to take her side in the f4. In both of these Cirie either wins, or comes in 4th.
I think Jeremy and Kim should have swapped advantages: everybody knew about Kim's idol, but if she uses Safety without Power (which expired at the F10) then nobody would expect her idol to come into play. Then Tony's alliance piles their votes on Jeremy thinking he's an easy target, and he plays Kim's idol on himself! Of course since Sophie had an idol and they were voting for her I guess she likely plays it and so all votes get negated and Tyson goes anyway lol on the revote.
Several of Jeremy’s voting block in that tribal specifically whispered back and forth with Ben and Tony, two players leading the charge against Jeremy, without saying ANYTHING to him. Not to mention shortly afterwards Kim and Denise betrayed Jeremy several times, so I think it’s pretty possible Kim was planning to let J go home. At this point, Tony, Sara, Denise and Ben has not yet formed that super strong alliance, so Kim no doubt saw a route forward in the game claiming majority from Cops R Us.
Remember when DK Chillin got a purple edit and then in the final 2 episodes of IoI they began editing him as the winner all because of a coin flip...KING
@@jacksonia7724 @Jack Sonia Not true. He won because of his impeccable social game. However, yes, he was essentially buried in the edit because of castaways like Janet & Elaine being the clear fan favorites.
@@jacksonia7724 Having a superb social game IS something major. It doesn't matter how many blindsides you instigate or how many advantages you play if you're not deemed a standup person when all is said & done.
I genuinely hated caremoan ,game changers ,ghost island after seeing island of idols I have found so much respect for those seasons .a good Survivor season needs great pepole who are human.
at least no more immunity idol nullifier..the whole tribe knew about Dan's and Janet's immunity idols so there was no way to avoid that ..it's not fair..and with that nullifier in play the immunity idols are no more a strategic tool to sway somebody's vote at tribal council if somebody played it or showed it before voting ..imagine Tony would have been voted out had Parvatti's idol nullifier been played after all that high game level from Tony..that would have been a disaster..
I am still so upset about Janet. Dean knew that Janet had the idol so there was really no questioning behind the decision to play the nullifier. He knew she would play it because it was the last time she could. Janet was the best person on that season in my opinion so it was so sad to see her go out this way. #Stanet
@@im903yearsold here's the worst part had there been a final 6 round dean would've been voted out don't forget he was convinced the fake legacy advantage was real & was BRAGGING 2 Rob & Sandra about how he was gonna get all the votes put on him so he could blindside everybody by playing the legacy advantage so imagine how funny it would've been 2 c the look on deans face as he puts all the votes on him smugly walks up 2 Jeff 2 play the advantage crowing about how he outsmarted them all only 2 fall n2 a look of horror as Jeff says it's NOT real & all votes 4 Dean will still count plus Janet wouldn't have been fucked out of a spot n the final 4 & possibly the final 3(Tommy probably would've won immunity & put Lauren against Janet n fire & taught Lauren enough 2 beat Janet)
My favorite advantages are the risk vs reward ones (safety without power, idols hidden at challenges or inside the camp, sneaking into the other tribe’s camp, etc). It keeps the game fresh without being too game breaking. Also, I’m not talking about a coin flip advantage. I think obtaining an advantage should require some action/strategy on the part of the player
Cirie's and Janet's eliminations sting they most. They probably would have been the respective winners of each of their seasons; namely, (Seasons 34 and 39).
I’m not so sure Cirie makes it to the end of game changers but if she does I think she can win. Nevertheless it’s still incredibly frustrating to see one of my favorite players taken out like that. So unfair.
Fun Behind the Scenes Fact: Jessica didn't want to give the disadvantage to Devon. She wanted it to block one of the Heroes, but Ben bullied her into not doing that, Ben of course knowing about it because Cole couldn't keep his mouth shut. He wasn't gonna let her give it to a hero, and he wasn't gonna convince her to give it to a healer, so it went to Devon, the sole hustler.
Interesting Note: Joe using the idol didn't matter to whoever he choose after that Vote Block, because even if they tie 2-2 on Desi, Desi would've been safe in rock draw, i.e. they can practically control who goes home in consensus.
Cerie is the main player I think deserves a win more than anything, since almost every time she's been voted out has been literal bad luck and not something she could have affected by playing the game differently. A true star who deserves to have her moment in the sun.
Don’t get me wrong I love Aubry but even without the advantage she still wouldn’t have won. Also, the fact that Neal was pulled from the game after being a long time fan, having an idol, and it being a medical evacuation I think him loosing his jury vote was pretty screwed over.
The super idol is so op. Think about this, out of the 3 that have existed in the history of survivor, the first owner never played it and got third place and would’ve easily won had he gotten to the end, the second was also never played and the owner won, and the third was ALSO never played and the owner also won THAT game. In its 3 iterations it has yet to see a single time it has been played, and all 3 times the person either couldn’t get to final tribal because it expired, or got to final tribal and won. Truly the most ridiculous advantage ever, the only one in history that u don’t even have to play to have power with it.
IOI is just a season that should've been amazing, but it just went horribly wrong. Dean the frat white boy who hadn't done shit managed to flip a coin to get a nullifier. Literally all the woman and Vince had much harder tasks to get advantages, but Dean literally got it and walked away. Janet could've won and it would've saved the entire season. So maddening.
My top 6: Abbey from Survivor AU Season 4: Taken out by a remove from tribal power. Basically the proto-Safety Without Power, where you can remove anyone from tribal who can't vote, but is safe. Luke removes Baden to create a 2-1-1 vote where Abbey goes home to keep Pia in the game (Although, like...why not just use it on Pia 'cause then Abbey probably goes 3-1 anyways since Baden and Harry aren't voting for each other, but still Abbey would have been screwed). Annalise from Survivor AU Season 2: Taken out by Ziggy's weird super idol thing. Basically, Ziggy had this weird super idol that is an idol, but it also flushes all other idols played in the same tribal that is it, so Ziggy just plays it like an idol nullifer to take out Annalise, something that had never happened up to that point (Since it happened before Season 37). Dan from Season 37. Same reason you said. Micheala from Season 34. Screwed over by the weird rules around the steal vote where it was worded in a weird way that allowed for Cirie to be tricked into thinking it was playable by anyone Sarah gave it to. Cirie from Season 34 and Steffi from Survivor SA Season 7. Screwed for the same reason you said with all those damn advantages. That being said, for Steffi, she was probably going home anyways 'cause she would have been voted out 2-1 on the re-vote anyways (Rob and Nicole vote for her, and Latecia votes for Darou). Alison's alliance from Survivor SA Season 4. Basically it was a 3-3 split at the final 6 of Survivor SA Season 4, Hyke, Bonnie and Letchego all had an advantage (Bonnie had an advantage which let her negate a vote, Hyke had immunity and Letchego had an idol), meaning that Alison's side was completely screwed here. It was basically advantagegeddon, but with a block a vote instead of 2 idols/legacy advantages. If you can't tell, I really dislike either advantagegeddons, or unprecedented advantages screwing over people.
Michaela wasn't screwed by an advantage, she was screwed by Sarah (and Cirie) who knew the rules of the advantage and was looking for some trust from Cirie but because Cirie was gonna play it against her (like wtf??) and Cirie didn't knew the rules she them decide to voted out Michaela. Neither the advantage itself or neither Michaela was the reason that she was voted out.
@@romanzolanski6256 Yeah, that's what I was saying. It was the rules of the advantage not being really outside of what it did in name causing confusion that lead to Michaela being screwed over.
I go back and forth with Natalie. She had an advantage for being the first voted out, but it was amplified by the fact that the next couple of vote-offs didn't care. Amber was JUST there for her husband and was no threat to Natalie at all. They gave her so much more momentum that she really didn't have any competition until Tyson showed up many days later. Poor Janet 💖Island of the Idols could've had an amazing winner, but instead we were stuck with...Bobby...? Billy...?
Even though production are limiting the duration advantages can be played - we still could have seen another Cirie'ing in Winners at War to the one and only Tony when Sandra was eliminated. Jeremy could have walked out of tribal, and Sandra, Kim and Denise all could have saved themselves making Tony go home by default. Please oh please production don't allow this to happen again! Great video as always!
What about chrissy's advantage during the final immunity challenge in HvHvH?? She was screwed because the advantage either way benefits Ben's game. I say at least devon and chrissy should have had a spot on the list. Anyway, GREAT CONTENT AS ALWAYS! Keep doing these kinds of videos
They’re on the worst twists list because the thing Chrissy got was more of a twist than an advantage. Especially since it was the first time it appears.
Natalie had even more of an advantage since she was basically out there uncontested until Tyson showed up. Amber couldn't have cared less. She was so frustrating and my least favorite of the whole season. And Danni and Ethan weren't as strong by comparison either.
I was happy to see her back but yeah it was a little disappointing to see her only play for Rob. That being said, she’s a fantastic narrator and her confessionals on the Edge were actually really enjoyable to watch (and I’m someone who absolutely hates the concept of the Edge). Especially her last one before they all left for the final battle back challenge.
@@brettlarkin1992 she really only did so poorly because 1 she was w/ her husband who just so happens 2 b arguably THE MOST FAMOUS PLAYER EVER & 2 it'd been SSSOOO long since she played & the game had changed SSSOOO much that she just couldn't cope & adapt the last time she played there were no such things as advantages not even idols it was a str8 up if u get the votes ur fucked & hell even Rob struggled w/ the idols n waw & the others on his tribe even said didn't u find an idol n the season u won & Rob said yea w/ like 4 clues that's y Ben was like hey guys I can teach u how 2 find idols if u want that was his most valuable skill waw was really geared towards the new school winners they had the most experience finding & dealing w/ advantages & dealing w/ fast paced gameplay whereas the old school winners like Ethan & Amber were really WAY out of their league & even old/new school winners like Parvati Rob & Sandra struggled w/ the advantages & fast paced gameplay let's b real this season was MADE 4 a winner like Tony every1s on an equal playing field aka they've all won so that doesn't create a target on any1s back & there's so many big names out there that Tony actually has the chance 2 lay low & blend n2 the background & get people 2 lower their guard
i feel like chrissy was royally screwed by the final 4 fire making challenge more than devon was bc had she knew about that twist before hand she would’ve most likely have tried to take out devon before the f4 and kept someone who could make a better fire and have them try to take out ben instead, and knowing about the twist the day of tribal hurts bc there was no way anybody could’ve prepared for that more so than make a plan. i mean chrissy did try to make it work by only telling devon so he could practice but look what happened lmao
If they do Fans Vs Favourites again heres who I want Males: Rick Devons, Christian, Davey, Dr. Mike, Rodney Females: Natalie Bolton, Chrissy, Reem, Gabbi, Shambo
The player from each season most screwed by twists. (Top Borneo all the way down to Winners at war): Rudy Varner Silas Paschal Shi-Ann Dave Savage Rupert Brook Wanda Bobby Jon Cirie Ozzy Michelle Yi Aaron Cirie Jacquie Fishbach Liz Tyson Holly Sarita Rick Leif RC Phillip Marissa Spencer Keith Rodney Keith Aubry Jessica Cirie Devon Stephanie Dan Victoria Janet Sarah
Yup...I was just reminded how annoyed I was at what happened to Jamal. I wasn't a big fan or anything but that was so messed up amplified with his huge failure at making a fake something
number one in future videos will be the newest season with the "i get to ask if you have the idol"used on xander :D i dont remember the name of the person asking/ being screwed because i found the season terrible, but it was a great moment
I feel really bad for Jason. He got screwed by an advantage on a 4-4 division, in which Aaron was gonna flip on his tribe. He not only was not able to vote, was also voted out, and was unable to be apart of the jury being voted out 1 tribal before it started. He started his game rough, being part of the minority (and almost being a second boot), but was quickly able to rally allies together to defend him from being voted out. Great and underrated player / survivor fan who's story got cut short from a vote block. :(
Did you hear that the OG plan that night was actually to vote off Aaron? The four Vokai were working Aaron and Missy into convincing them to turn on Elaine, but the four of them were actually then going to blindside Aaron, and take him out in a plurality vote while Lairo turned on their own. (This also works as a counter measure just in case Elaine came back from the Island of the Idols with an actual idol). But then Elaine played the vote block, and that's why you see them whispering, trying to turn their votes back to Elaine and just pray Arron was still down to vote with them. "Hey, don't trust Aaron." Says the guy not ten minutes ago was ready to vote Aaron's ass out.
Honestly if I was told to decide the amount of advantages and idols in the game I would do 2 tribe and idols 1 new made third tribe idol if we got from 2 to 3 2 merge idols 1 out at the start and the second appearing after we get 3 jury members And 2 advantages like vote steal and idol nullifier for example 1 released in the game in the merge and one in the pre-merge so its a great amount of advantages there but limited not like play an idol ok now a new idol appears which I kinda hate because then you get stuff like Ben in HHH happening where they just keep finding the idol like an Easter egg hunt(don’t get me wrong I think Bens a cool dude heck I loved him a lot in the WaW finally because he knew he was losing and took a sacrifice for a teammate so he got more respect points)
I’d say an idol at each camp that can only be played in the premerge. If they go from 2 to 3 tribes another idol is hidden at the new tribe camp. These idols do not return into the game after being played. At the merge, one idol is hidden and another must be retrieved either at a challenge or on a reward or something. 2 other advantages at max can be received on a reward or at a challenge as well and none of these return to the game after being played. Final four fire making is removed. Imo that would be a fair way to distribute avantages without them piling up unfairly or majorly screwing people over while still keeping the game interesting and exciting. Also either hide the fucking idols better or go back to using clues and I swear to god DO NOT re-hide the idols after they’ve been used!!!
I still think Chrissy Hofbeck from Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers was the most screwed. Earning the final "advantage" and that advantage taking away her ability to choose the final 3 by removing voting from the final four of the game.... which was out of no where and guaranteed Ben won after he had been (IMO) given every chance possible to win immunities for challenge after challenge. It left a really bad taste in my mouth and has made me question production interference heavily ever since.
I said it before and now and forever..Ozzy and Cirie are the true king and queen who never won survivor..they both are very good players ..got screwed time after time with twists and bad luck..Ozzy was screwed on Cook lsland by first ever final 3 and not final 2 , Cirie was screwed on Micronesia by switching back to final 2 and not final 3 ...not to mention Yul's super idol that kept him safe and Ozzy had no chance to get him out..then Ozzy got screwed by bad luck in the final immunity challenge on South Pacific when he lost to Sophie and no fire making challenge at final 4 at that time ....Cirie on the other hand, she lost the final 4 fire making challenge on Panama Exile island ..then got screwed by final 2 twist on Miceonesia due to many players were medevaced and the production needed extra challenge to fill the episodes ...then got screwed by the most ever heartbreaking tribal council on Game Changers when she was eliminated by default..and even Jeff couldn't say the usual phrase " the tribe has spoken" and she had 0 votes against her.
Winners at War was almost ruined by Natalie. Least deserving player to ever make it to the end but thank god Tony still won. Natalie was safe every week she was in the game minus the week she was voted out
Facts. So bs. And people try to say “but she killed the edge of extinction game”.... ya because she was there the longest and had the most time to rack up tokens. I guess you get an advantage for being the first boot smh
I dislike the Idol Nullifier. It's just Brute forcing a possibly well played idol out of the way. It takes the risk away of voting for someone and getting idoled out yourself.
You're missing though that Kim had an idol at the Tyson vote off. She was ready to play it for Jeremy and would've saved him. Causing the big huge mess and she played it for Denise.
Jessica completely misplayed that vote block in HHH. She needed Devon available to side with the Healers. She should have taken a Hero’s vote. She almost ensured a tie vote and rock draw if not for Joe’s idol.
There’s were only a recent addition. In Game Changers for instance I had no idea who had what. Also it’s nice that they’re there but even still it’s hard to keep track, especially when some people don’t get confessionals in an episode or multiple at a time.
Cirie was screwed also in Panama by Terry's super Idol. If not for the idol Terry gets voted out at final 4. Danielle wins final immunity and probably takes Cirie to the final 2, where Cirie beats her
If there is one thing Ive learned not to do under ANY circumstances: NEVER tell anyone you have a legacy advantage. Just dont. It has NEVER worked out well.
Kimmi Kappenberg should be here if you had included idols too!! I know it says advantages, but I felt like saying this because lot of people don't know this as her edit was relatively quiet (they did this because they didn't want a huge upset at the way she went out; imagine if it was Kelley in her position with the edit Kelley got - the viewers would be MAD), but Kimmi was actually winning against anyone in the final six. The jurors confirmed this in her Ponderosa and post-game interviews. Kimmi played an absolutely incredible game and had the best social game of anyone in Cambodia, she pulled off a 3-2-1 vote premerge and was so close to getting to the final three if not for the idols. Kelley still wins immunity at the final five (unless Kimmi wins) and they likely boot Jeremy (if he isn't taken out at the final six), and then I still think Kelley gets taken out at four. Leaving us with a final three of Kimmi, Keith, and Spencer or Tasha (dependent on who gets taken out at final five and final six). Regardless, Kimmi is basically guaranteed a spot in the final three if not for the idols at the final six, and she'd also be the winner. I still remember watching that tribal live and being utterly heartbroken and devastated - especially because she was an ICONIC old-school legend who played her heart out in her second chance to only have it ripped from her. Just imagine how satisfying it would be if Kimmi won Second Chance. I really hope she gets to play a third time because she is one of my all time favourite players!
@@prestonk6271 I totally see that logic but Jeremy won against Spencer and Tasha who were absolutely despised by the jury - not saying Jeremy played a bad game, but Kimmi would've won (just watch her Ponderosa) even if Jeremy is in the final three with her. She has Kass, Savage, Kelly Wiglesworth (the parents) - Kimmi was a single mom and I believe Kass said somewhere that most of the jurors (being parents) wanted a parent to win. She has Ciera because not only was Kimmi a single mom, but she would've satisfied Ciera's "big move" requirement if her flip at the final six worked (identical to what Ciera did in her original season). That's four votes. I think it is like if Kelley is out at four then she votes Kimmi too - she was the one who gave Kelley the chance to get past the final six, and she would've likely been bitter at Keith for turning on her (this is all hypothetical of course). That's five votes. Even if Jeremy gets the other five, Keith has to break the tie and I think it's fair to say that he 100000% votes Kimmi in this situation as he was literally willing to VOLUNTARILY be voted out at the final six because he wanted Kimmi to have a chance as she was a single mom, plus they were aligned.
Darrah Johnson if they wanted a parent to win, they could’ve still voted for Jeremy. Either way, we probably will never know and I’m gonna give the edge to Jeremy
39 would have been a much better season if Dan had been screwed by the vote block or hanging envelope instead of Jason or Jamal or if he’d been his tribe’s first boot instead of Molly.
I feel like the assessment that Natalie had an unfair advantage when she had more time on the edge is slightly biased. Though this does make sense in theory, the way that things actually happened only gives her an advantage in one of the post-merge Edge fire token challenges (and even then it isn't a very significant one). Natalie entered the post-merge Edge with 0 fire tokens and a useless idol. The first Edge challenge mostly relied on knowledge of previous seasons, which has little to do with time on the Edge. The next Edge challenge had to do with a randomly hidden advantage, which Parv and Nat stumbled upon due to luck, which once again isn't tied to Edge time. After that was another effort challenge, which, if anything, Natalie was disadvantaged by. Then, on the final Edge challenge, Natalie's experience finally (arguably) came in handy, when she was able to decipher the clue and find the stone throne the quickest. Though it can be reasonably argued that Natalie's Edge experience came into play, I do think that Natalie's physical prowess and some luck were factors as well.
But still, comparing it to Nick who lasted until final 6, then was voted out, had no opportunity to get fire tokens or any advantages. Or even Jeremy voted out at 7 with only one chance at a fire token. That's definitely an unfair advantage.
I'm playing my universal belovedness nullifier. I'm not a huge Cirie fan. For some reason I just never liked her. So I wasn't exactly torn up about her getting voted out that way. It was actually kind of funny.
I'd be fine with advantages if like, all players were told before a season starts what the advantages will be. How are you supposed to prepare your game when a brand new advantage never before used comes in and screws you? It's just as unfair as the fake merge in Thailand or mandatory fire making, as far as i'm concerned. Regarding the Yul idol, I think even if it was a "normal" idol that Penner would've flipped either way - but I do think Yul's idol would've been used or flushed eventually, and Ozzy definitely would've won the season IMO.
Cirie every time she played pretty much.
Panama: Terry's idol
FvF1: F2
HvV: JT
GC: 3 idols, necklace and legacy
@@survivorfandan_sa9 Correction...she was screwed on HvV by JT and Tom's idol
This is probably the only place where Island of the Idols makes the top 10 in anything not titled 'cringeworthy' or 'controversial'
Top 10 seasons with the most advantages
Hey, the cast outside of two pretty obvious players are pretty likeable. And I loved most of the late merge players.
Alex James whos the second?
It's pretty good season though
top ten best pre merges or top ten best winners
Man... to think that the difference of Janet winning and Janet losing LITERALLY was in the fate of a coin flip.
The difference between IOI being a decent season and being a bottom of the barre tier season was a coin flip. If Janet wins, IOI is redeemed just enough in my eyes. The merge episode up to Dan being removed is still garbage but if Janet pulls through with a win the season is at least ok.
Idk dude I feel like she still wouldn’t have beaten Tommy. He had all the connections on the jury. It might have been a closer vote than the Tommy/Dean vote, but I still think Tommy would’ve squeaked by
Saikou210 Fair enough. I don’t think Tommy was an undeserving winner, but I definitely rooted for Janet until she got booted. Hope they bring her back in a future season, hopefully one with less controversial characters
Eh , shouldn’t have come down to that. Was such bs.
@@jareddepew1467 Well Survivor is expect the unexpected. Luck is a huge part of the game.
Stephen Fishbach has proposed A very interesting idea for the return challenge works if fire tokens are in play: the later you’re eliminated the further along in the challenge you start and vice versa, but if eliminated earlier you have more chances to get more fire tokens to buy advantages in the return challenge
this is so much better then what we actually had
Cirie is truly the best to never win, especially after getting screwed out of what seemed to be a winning game not once, but twice. First in Fans vs Favorites by the final 2 twist, then in Game Changers by advantage-geddon
WRONG! the two best to never win are Malcolm Freberg and Ciera Eastin!
@@thewachannel4537 Ciera is great but has too much big-move-itis. Malcolm is a contender but Cirie is the correct answer
Russel absolutely dominated the first 2 times he ever played and lost the third time cause he was a huge threat.
If the juries weren't salty af he would've won back to back seasons and been a 2 time winner
@@jackclausen7252 I used to agree with you, but part of survivor is jury management. A lot of people didn't like him. He was mean and many other things. He played a good game yeah, but you have to remember that you put the jury there and they have to like you still. He didn't do that.
@@jackclausen7252 The only reason Russell ever made it to the end was because he was easy to beat in front if the jury. You keep him around because he'll never get any votes.
Damn, watching Jamal's "lesson" reminds me of how much a piece of flaming f'ing garbage IOI was. It somehow gets worse every time I'm reminded of it.
Fr, watching it live it started off so promising but the merge episode killed it and it just got worse and worse from there every episode.
i remember that moment like yesterday, fcking 10 minutes of Jamal talking about a damn durag 😭😭😭 i knew it was gonna be a sh*t show from there.
@@londonbordeaux That was actually a good moment on the season bro. I'd rather watch that than endless strategy and advantage crap.
@@londonbordeaux Tell me youre racist without telling me you're racist.
@@evildeathcuddles886 and?? what are you gonna do about it??? hmm??? I'm a south-east asian growing up in India, so don't even try me with your bs, little girl 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I love how Tony used his Special Idol in Cagayan. He showed he had it, lied about its powers, and used it to intimidate the others.
Me too. At the final 4 vote he literally had to just hope that nobody would ask him to prove it works at final 4
Man I feel so bad for Janet! Not just because she would have been the most redeeming winner of S39 but also because she lost the game on a coin flip....
Loving the Survivor content Idoled Out!
Thanks dude! Looking forward to your Pearl Islands videos!
Once Upon An Island not do we love Peridiam’s and Idoled Out’s content but yours too
@@markjackson6431 Thank you!
@@IdoledOut I am going all out on the pirate music :)
pathetic attempt to insert yourself in the conversation. I will never subscribe to you and have thumbed down each of your videos.
I'm glad you took such a mature stance on Cirie's elimination and looked at it in a more nuanced way than most. You're one of the only content creators to date (AFAIK) who acknowledges that advantage hoarding was the primary issue, not over-saturation of advantages. The three idols in play were merely due to players being conservative with idols and hoarding them for weeks. Tai's idols were found at the wells of 2 original tribes' camps and Troy's idol was found at a challenge after the first swap. Not one of the idols played that night had been from the merged tribe's camp. They had all been found prior and saved.
Additionally, if you were to ask me, I would argue that the legacy advantage was the least problematic advantage played that night, as it had been designed to be less powerful than an idol (since it could only be used at the final 6). Additionally, only a player who found it or had it willed to them could use it, unlike an idol which could be passed around and played for anyone.
I think Cirie's elimination was just a combination of unfortunate circumstances and high-level play from the others. The production didn't give the players too many advantages. The players just chose to hold on to them as long as they could.
I do, however, agree that advantages should have been given a "lifespan" earlier, and if they had, this situation would have been avoided.
I agree. A lot of people don't realize that there was only one other Idol played that entire season besides Night 36, that being the idol Tai played on Sierra to eliminate Malcolm.
Bro, if there is a situation where all but one person can make themselves safe, there are TOO MANY advantages in the game. Simple as that.
@@Captain-Sum.Ting-Wong and how exactly were the producers supposed to foresee this outcome at the final six, all the way from the pre-merge?
@@vicivitytan4376 By not putting a bunch of idols and advantages into the game lmao.
@@Captain-Sum.Ting-Wong even as far back as season 25, there were three idols pre-merge, which means this theoretically could have taken place at the final five if the season played out differently. Are you really going to make the argument that Survivor: Philippines had too many advantages?
This channel is an absolute gem. I've watched more survivor on Idoled Out than on TV
I’m not sure, but I think that Cirie could win GC if it wasn’t for all of the advantages
Without the legacy advantage:
6. Sarah idoled out by Tai’s idol. (3-3 Tai and Sarah)
5. Tai either voted for by Cirie or idoled out by Troy (3- 2 Tai and Troy)
4.Aubry- Cirie gets Brad and Troy to believe that she’s a bigger threat. (3-1 Aubry and Cirie)
Cirie wins getting every vote except for maybe Sierra.
____________________________
Without Troy’s idol
6.Troy. Cirie wins fire making easily. (She’s played Survivor for over 120 days don’t tell me she wouldn’t win Fire just cuz she lost her 1st season)
5.Sarah (3-2 Sarah and Tai) Cirie is the swing but easily sides with Tai and Aubry
4.Tai (2-2) Cirie wins fire again and she convinces Brad, who wants Tai out bad, to vote for Tai.
this is a nice alternate universe and all, but they wouldve had to have had rocks for brains to allow cirie to face the jury when she wins against anyone. i think she just gets voted out f5 or f4 if theres no advantage train
abby rose Yeah in both of these situations it revolves around Cirie convincing at least one person to take her side in the f4. In both of these Cirie either wins, or comes in 4th.
Jeremy knew Kim had an idol, so he should have just said “play me the idol or I’m gonna leave”
I think Jeremy and Kim should have swapped advantages: everybody knew about Kim's idol, but if she uses Safety without Power (which expired at the F10) then nobody would expect her idol to come into play. Then Tony's alliance piles their votes on Jeremy thinking he's an easy target, and he plays Kim's idol on himself! Of course since Sophie had an idol and they were voting for her I guess she likely plays it and so all votes get negated and Tyson goes anyway lol on the revote.
Several of Jeremy’s voting block in that tribal specifically whispered back and forth with Ben and Tony, two players leading the charge against Jeremy, without saying ANYTHING to him. Not to mention shortly afterwards Kim and Denise betrayed Jeremy several times, so I think it’s pretty possible Kim was planning to let J go home. At this point, Tony, Sara, Denise and Ben has not yet formed that super strong alliance, so Kim no doubt saw a route forward in the game claiming majority from Cops R Us.
Alex James Tony Sarah and Ben most likely pregamed so I think their alliance was tight from the beginning
Remember when DK Chillin got a purple edit and then in the final 2 episodes of IoI they began editing him as the winner all because of a coin flip...KING
Top 5 all time EZ
dk chillin was actually entertaining in the boring post merge of ioi
Janet should've been number 2. She hands down wouldve won and my heart still breaks for her.
Tommy didn’t do anything, Janet and Lauren were easily the best 2 players
Saikou210 oh my god! He was so badly edited and he just floated to 1,000,000 bucks. Awful season with a mediocre winner
@@jacksonia7724 @Jack Sonia Not true. He won because of his impeccable social game. However, yes, he was essentially buried in the edit because of castaways like Janet & Elaine being the clear fan favorites.
@@Star_Jewel yeah his social game was great but he didn’t do anything major.
@@jacksonia7724 Having a superb social game IS something major. It doesn't matter how many blindsides you instigate or how many advantages you play if you're not deemed a standup person when all is said & done.
I genuinely hated caremoan ,game changers ,ghost island after seeing island of idols I have found so much respect for those seasons .a good Survivor season needs great pepole who are human.
Cirie is, without question, my favourite survivor ever.
Watching Cirie realize she was the only one left was so sad. I felt so terrible for her. She is still one of my all time favorite people.
This was a sad but awesome video!! Thank you for always producing amazing content! Already excited for the next vid!! :)
okay but season 39 blindsides were everything.. I absolutely loved the Jason tribal
I won't be surprised if some genius in production come up with the idea of immunity necklace nullifier in future seasons.
While advantages are dope, I’d love to see a back to basics no advantages season
Exactly
Jeff said it will never gonna happen, sadly.
at least no more immunity idol nullifier..the whole tribe knew about Dan's and Janet's immunity idols so there was no way to avoid that ..it's not fair..and with that nullifier in play the immunity idols are no more a strategic tool to sway somebody's vote at tribal council if somebody played it or showed it before voting ..imagine Tony would have been voted out had Parvatti's idol nullifier been played after all that high game level from Tony..that would have been a disaster..
The biggest twist of all at this point lol
No, they aren't dope. They suck.
I am still so upset about Janet. Dean knew that Janet had the idol so there was really no questioning behind the decision to play the nullifier. He knew she would play it because it was the last time she could. Janet was the best person on that season in my opinion so it was so sad to see her go out this way. #Stanet
stanet lol
#Stanet
@@im903yearsold here's the worst part had there been a final 6 round dean would've been voted out don't forget he was convinced the fake legacy advantage was real & was BRAGGING 2 Rob & Sandra about how he was gonna get all the votes put on him so he could blindside everybody by playing the legacy advantage so imagine how funny it would've been 2 c the look on deans face as he puts all the votes on him smugly walks up 2 Jeff 2 play the advantage crowing about how he outsmarted them all only 2 fall n2 a look of horror as Jeff says it's NOT real & all votes 4 Dean will still count plus Janet wouldn't have been fucked out of a spot n the final 4 & possibly the final 3(Tommy probably would've won immunity & put Lauren against Janet n fire & taught Lauren enough 2 beat Janet)
My favorite advantages are the risk vs reward ones (safety without power, idols hidden at challenges or inside the camp, sneaking into the other tribe’s camp, etc). It keeps the game fresh without being too game breaking.
Also, I’m not talking about a coin flip advantage. I think obtaining an advantage should require some action/strategy on the part of the player
Slow your roll. Calling tails takes some skill /s
I love Dans he plays the idol and is like "Oh yeah, I'm safe." Only to hear "and this is an idol nullifier." He his face just drops.
This is a few years later but Sydney got completely screwed by the hourglass twist. It is so stupid. If you win immunity, you keep it, end of story
Video suggestion: When players find unintended shortcuts to challenges.
Cirie's and Janet's eliminations sting they most. They probably would have been the respective winners of each of their seasons; namely, (Seasons 34 and 39).
I’m not so sure Cirie makes it to the end of game changers but if she does I think she can win. Nevertheless it’s still incredibly frustrating to see one of my favorite players taken out like that. So unfair.
Cirie is seriously the reason I watch and love Survivor.
The idol nullifier was brutal
Jamal with it literally hanging in the air
I like the extra/steal a vote, those aren't game breaking
Jen Guzon Bae of Cook islands was the most screwed by that fucking bottle twist
If it was anyone but Cirie I would've rioted
Fun Behind the Scenes Fact: Jessica didn't want to give the disadvantage to Devon. She wanted it to block one of the Heroes, but Ben bullied her into not doing that, Ben of course knowing about it because Cole couldn't keep his mouth shut. He wasn't gonna let her give it to a hero, and he wasn't gonna convince her to give it to a healer, so it went to Devon, the sole hustler.
ngl i got bully vibes from him that season so that tracks
Carl's BING is a top 10 tribal moment ever for me
It was pretty funny
Interesting Note: Joe using the idol didn't matter to whoever he choose after that Vote Block, because even if they tie 2-2 on Desi, Desi would've been safe in rock draw, i.e. they can practically control who goes home in consensus.
Cerie is the main player I think deserves a win more than anything, since almost every time she's been voted out has been literal bad luck and not something she could have affected by playing the game differently. A true star who deserves to have her moment in the sun.
Noura was if ADHD was a person
It triggers me to hear Jamal described as "a likeable player"
Jamal got so fucking screwed that was so bs
Cirie hands down the most screwed survivor player. She took it with so much grace and earned my undying respect.
I love that thumbnail because we all automatically know what it is.
I’d say aubry was more screwed over than neal
Don’t get me wrong I love Aubry but even without the advantage she still wouldn’t have won. Also, the fact that Neal was pulled from the game after being a long time fan, having an idol, and it being a medical evacuation I think him loosing his jury vote was pretty screwed over.
The super idol is so op. Think about this, out of the 3 that have existed in the history of survivor, the first owner never played it and got third place and would’ve easily won had he gotten to the end, the second was also never played and the owner won, and the third was ALSO never played and the owner also won THAT game. In its 3 iterations it has yet to see a single time it has been played, and all 3 times the person either couldn’t get to final tribal because it expired, or got to final tribal and won. Truly the most ridiculous advantage ever, the only one in history that u don’t even have to play to have power with it.
IOI is just a season that should've been amazing, but it just went horribly wrong. Dean the frat white boy who hadn't done shit managed to flip a coin to get a nullifier. Literally all the woman and Vince had much harder tasks to get advantages, but Dean literally got it and walked away. Janet could've won and it would've saved the entire season. So maddening.
Idoled out this channel is awesome keep making great videos
My top 6:
Abbey from Survivor AU Season 4: Taken out by a remove from tribal power. Basically the proto-Safety Without Power, where you can remove anyone from tribal who can't vote, but is safe. Luke removes Baden to create a 2-1-1 vote where Abbey goes home to keep Pia in the game (Although, like...why not just use it on Pia 'cause then Abbey probably goes 3-1 anyways since Baden and Harry aren't voting for each other, but still Abbey would have been screwed).
Annalise from Survivor AU Season 2: Taken out by Ziggy's weird super idol thing. Basically, Ziggy had this weird super idol that is an idol, but it also flushes all other idols played in the same tribal that is it, so Ziggy just plays it like an idol nullifer to take out Annalise, something that had never happened up to that point (Since it happened before Season 37).
Dan from Season 37. Same reason you said.
Micheala from Season 34. Screwed over by the weird rules around the steal vote where it was worded in a weird way that allowed for Cirie to be tricked into thinking it was playable by anyone Sarah gave it to.
Cirie from Season 34 and Steffi from Survivor SA Season 7. Screwed for the same reason you said with all those damn advantages. That being said, for Steffi, she was probably going home anyways 'cause she would have been voted out 2-1 on the re-vote anyways (Rob and Nicole vote for her, and Latecia votes for Darou).
Alison's alliance from Survivor SA Season 4. Basically it was a 3-3 split at the final 6 of Survivor SA Season 4, Hyke, Bonnie and Letchego all had an advantage (Bonnie had an advantage which let her negate a vote, Hyke had immunity and Letchego had an idol), meaning that Alison's side was completely screwed here. It was basically advantagegeddon, but with a block a vote instead of 2 idols/legacy advantages.
If you can't tell, I really dislike either advantagegeddons, or unprecedented advantages screwing over people.
Michaela wasn't screwed by an advantage, she was screwed by Sarah (and Cirie) who knew the rules of the advantage and was looking for some trust from Cirie but because Cirie was gonna play it against her (like wtf??) and Cirie didn't knew the rules she them decide to voted out Michaela. Neither the advantage itself or neither Michaela was the reason that she was voted out.
@@romanzolanski6256 Yeah, that's what I was saying. It was the rules of the advantage not being really outside of what it did in name causing confusion that lead to Michaela being screwed over.
I go back and forth with Natalie. She had an advantage for being the first voted out, but it was amplified by the fact that the next couple of vote-offs didn't care. Amber was JUST there for her husband and was no threat to Natalie at all. They gave her so much more momentum that she really didn't have any competition until Tyson showed up many days later.
Poor Janet 💖Island of the Idols could've had an amazing winner, but instead we were stuck with...Bobby...? Billy...?
Even though production are limiting the duration advantages can be played - we still could have seen another Cirie'ing in Winners at War to the one and only Tony when Sandra was eliminated. Jeremy could have walked out of tribal, and Sandra, Kim and Denise all could have saved themselves making Tony go home by default. Please oh please production don't allow this to happen again!
Great video as always!
Except by the time they went 2 tribal Sandra had already given up her idol leaving her exposed so she still would've been taken out w/ Denise's vote
What about chrissy's advantage during the final immunity challenge in HvHvH?? She was screwed because the advantage either way benefits Ben's game. I say at least devon and chrissy should have had a spot on the list. Anyway, GREAT CONTENT AS ALWAYS! Keep doing these kinds of videos
They’re on the worst twists list because the thing Chrissy got was more of a twist than an advantage. Especially since it was the first time it appears.
I think this needs to be redone this list with the amount of twists production has now
Cirie got screwed! She would have won!
Jeremy pissed me off so much in waw if he stayed he had a chance to win
Natalie had even more of an advantage since she was basically out there uncontested until Tyson showed up. Amber couldn't have cared less. She was so frustrating and my least favorite of the whole season. And Danni and Ethan weren't as strong by comparison either.
Amber is pathetic. I’m expecting to be disappointed when I get a chance to watch her gameplay in Allstars
Brett Larkin Amber didn’t play that badly in All Stars. She’s an under the radar player and Shii Ann notices her strategy
I was happy to see her back but yeah it was a little disappointing to see her only play for Rob. That being said, she’s a fantastic narrator and her confessionals on the Edge were actually really enjoyable to watch (and I’m someone who absolutely hates the concept of the Edge). Especially her last one before they all left for the final battle back challenge.
@@brettlarkin1992 she really only did so poorly because 1 she was w/ her husband who just so happens 2 b arguably THE MOST FAMOUS PLAYER EVER & 2 it'd been SSSOOO long since she played & the game had changed SSSOOO much that she just couldn't cope & adapt the last time she played there were no such things as advantages not even idols it was a str8 up if u get the votes ur fucked & hell even Rob struggled w/ the idols n waw & the others on his tribe even said didn't u find an idol n the season u won & Rob said yea w/ like 4 clues that's y Ben was like hey guys I can teach u how 2 find idols if u want that was his most valuable skill waw was really geared towards the new school winners they had the most experience finding & dealing w/ advantages & dealing w/ fast paced gameplay whereas the old school winners like Ethan & Amber were really WAY out of their league & even old/new school winners like Parvati Rob & Sandra struggled w/ the advantages & fast paced gameplay let's b real this season was MADE 4 a winner like Tony every1s on an equal playing field aka they've all won so that doesn't create a target on any1s back & there's so many big names out there that Tony actually has the chance 2 lay low & blend n2 the background & get people 2 lower their guard
i feel like chrissy was royally screwed by the final 4 fire making challenge more than devon was bc had she knew about that twist before hand she would’ve most likely have tried to take out devon before the f4 and kept someone who could make a better fire and have them try to take out ben instead, and knowing about the twist the day of tribal hurts bc there was no way anybody could’ve prepared for that more so than make a plan. i mean chrissy did try to make it work by only telling devon so he could practice but look what happened lmao
This just made me remember how stupid that hanging parchment was smh Jamal got screwed over
Great video idoled out!
Next can we do top 10 screwed by a stick?
to be fair, janet only wouldve made it to the end via two twists (fire making and idol), so she really wasnt that robbed
Imagine a season where all hidden idols only last one tribal. Lol things would go crazy as theyed alsways use them
I don't even watch survivor.... but I watch this channel
I’ll never get over 12:05
What about 28-3
England is my CITY that too
If they do Fans Vs Favourites again heres who I want
Males: Rick Devons, Christian, Davey, Dr. Mike, Rodney
Females: Natalie Bolton, Chrissy, Reem, Gabbi, Shambo
Rodney on a favorites tribe? I really don’t see that. He could be a villain if they ever do Heroes versus Villains, but he shouldn’t be a favorite.
Shambo will NEVER play again & probably stopped watching after Samoa due 2 Russel not winning like she said she was gonna do
I watched this just to make sure Cirie was number one
when cirie left game changers went downhill
I'm surprised we never saw the jury nullifier again.
The player from each season most screwed by twists. (Top Borneo all the way down to Winners at war):
Rudy
Varner
Silas
Paschal
Shi-Ann
Dave
Savage
Rupert
Brook
Wanda
Bobby Jon
Cirie
Ozzy
Michelle Yi
Aaron
Cirie
Jacquie
Fishbach
Liz
Tyson
Holly
Sarita
Rick
Leif
RC
Phillip
Marissa
Spencer
Keith
Rodney
Keith
Aubry
Jessica
Cirie
Devon
Stephanie
Dan
Victoria
Janet
Sarah
What screwed Rudy?
It upsets me how many times Cirie is on this list
NEAL was about to give the nastiest... most brutal Corinne type x10 speech ever. That was a genius move by Michelle
I hate game changers solely for what happened to Cirie
Yup...I was just reminded how annoyed I was at what happened to Jamal. I wasn't a big fan or anything but that was so messed up amplified with his huge failure at making a fake something
number one in future videos will be the newest season with the "i get to ask if you have the idol"used on xander :D
i dont remember the name of the person asking/ being screwed because i found the season terrible, but it was a great moment
I feel really bad for Jason. He got screwed by an advantage on a 4-4 division, in which Aaron was gonna flip on his tribe. He not only was not able to vote, was also voted out, and was unable to be apart of the jury being voted out 1 tribal before it started. He started his game rough, being part of the minority (and almost being a second boot), but was quickly able to rally allies together to defend him from being voted out. Great and underrated player / survivor fan who's story got cut short from a vote block. :(
Did you hear that the OG plan that night was actually to vote off Aaron?
The four Vokai were working Aaron and Missy into convincing them to turn on Elaine, but the four of them were actually then going to blindside Aaron, and take him out in a plurality vote while Lairo turned on their own. (This also works as a counter measure just in case Elaine came back from the Island of the Idols with an actual idol).
But then Elaine played the vote block, and that's why you see them whispering, trying to turn their votes back to Elaine and just pray Arron was still down to vote with them.
"Hey, don't trust Aaron."
Says the guy not ten minutes ago was ready to vote Aaron's ass out.
Low-key Jamal could have not written on the parchment and called it a steal a vote 😏
Yeah in a interview Jamal said he couldn't do that.🤔
Honestly if I was told to decide the amount of advantages and idols in the game I would do
2 tribe and idols
1 new made third tribe idol if we got from 2 to 3
2 merge idols 1 out at the start and the second appearing after we get 3 jury members
And 2 advantages like vote steal and idol nullifier for example 1 released in the game in the merge and one in the pre-merge so its a great amount of advantages there but limited not like play an idol ok now a new idol appears which I kinda hate because then you get stuff like Ben in HHH happening where they just keep finding the idol like an Easter egg hunt(don’t get me wrong I think Bens a cool dude heck I loved him a lot in the WaW finally because he knew he was losing and took a sacrifice for a teammate so he got more respect points)
No.
I’d say an idol at each camp that can only be played in the premerge. If they go from 2 to 3 tribes another idol is hidden at the new tribe camp. These idols do not return into the game after being played. At the merge, one idol is hidden and another must be retrieved either at a challenge or on a reward or something. 2 other advantages at max can be received on a reward or at a challenge as well and none of these return to the game after being played. Final four fire making is removed. Imo that would be a fair way to distribute avantages without them piling up unfairly or majorly screwing people over while still keeping the game interesting and exciting. Also either hide the fucking idols better or go back to using clues and I swear to god DO NOT re-hide the idols after they’ve been used!!!
Devon was screwed so hard and was such an awesome player. Without that lame twist he wins easy.
I still think Chrissy Hofbeck from Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers was the most screwed. Earning the final "advantage" and that advantage taking away her ability to choose the final 3 by removing voting from the final four of the game.... which was out of no where and guaranteed Ben won after he had been (IMO) given every chance possible to win immunities for challenge after challenge. It left a really bad taste in my mouth and has made me question production interference heavily ever since.
I called #1 from the twist video when you talk you were doing advantages in a few days
I said it before and now and forever..Ozzy and Cirie are the true king and queen who never won survivor..they both are very good players ..got screwed time after time with twists and bad luck..Ozzy was screwed on Cook lsland by first ever final 3 and not final 2 , Cirie was screwed on Micronesia by switching back to final 2 and not final 3 ...not to mention Yul's super idol that kept him safe and Ozzy had no chance to get him out..then Ozzy got screwed by bad luck in the final immunity challenge on South Pacific when he lost to Sophie and no fire making challenge at final 4 at that time ....Cirie on the other hand, she lost the final 4 fire making challenge on Panama Exile island ..then got screwed by final 2 twist on Miceonesia due to many players were medevaced and the production needed extra challenge to fill the episodes ...then got screwed by the most ever heartbreaking tribal council on Game Changers when she was eliminated by default..and even Jeff couldn't say the usual phrase " the tribe has spoken" and she had 0 votes against her.
Winners at War was almost ruined by Natalie. Least deserving player to ever make it to the end but thank god Tony still won. Natalie was safe every week she was in the game minus the week she was voted out
Facts. So bs. And people try to say “but she killed the edge of extinction game”.... ya because she was there the longest and had the most time to rack up tokens. I guess you get an advantage for being the first boot smh
I dislike the Idol Nullifier. It's just Brute forcing a possibly well played idol out of the way. It takes the risk away of voting for someone and getting idoled out yourself.
You're missing though that Kim had an idol at the Tyson vote off. She was ready to play it for Jeremy and would've saved him. Causing the big huge mess and she played it for Denise.
Two seconds in and I can already guess with almost 100% certainty who’s gonna be at the top of the list by a mile
How about they just stick to immunity idols and winning immunity please.
Survivor advantages and idols are like Fight Club. There are rules!
Yea I’m tired of hearing about island of the idols. At this point, it makes edge of extinction look good.
I’ll take Tommy winning over Chris
vaporterra easily, tommy is underrated imo just because of how shitty the season was
Do a video of all the power alliances of each season 1-40
Jessica completely misplayed that vote block in HHH. She needed Devon available to side with the Healers. She should have taken a Hero’s vote. She almost ensured a tie vote and rock draw if not for Joe’s idol.
“Had trouble keeping track”
Did you miss the reminders in the confessionals? Not bashing you just asking.
There’s were only a recent addition. In Game Changers for instance I had no idea who had what. Also it’s nice that they’re there but even still it’s hard to keep track, especially when some people don’t get confessionals in an episode or multiple at a time.
Cirie was screwed also in Panama by Terry's super Idol. If not for the idol Terry gets voted out at final 4. Danielle wins final immunity and probably takes Cirie to the final 2, where Cirie beats her
If there is one thing Ive learned not to do under ANY circumstances: NEVER tell anyone you have a legacy advantage. Just dont. It has NEVER worked out well.
I wish to never see the cast of IOI except for Dean.
Kimmi Kappenberg should be here if you had included idols too!! I know it says advantages, but I felt like saying this because lot of people don't know this as her edit was relatively quiet (they did this because they didn't want a huge upset at the way she went out; imagine if it was Kelley in her position with the edit Kelley got - the viewers would be MAD), but Kimmi was actually winning against anyone in the final six. The jurors confirmed this in her Ponderosa and post-game interviews. Kimmi played an absolutely incredible game and had the best social game of anyone in Cambodia, she pulled off a 3-2-1 vote premerge and was so close to getting to the final three if not for the idols. Kelley still wins immunity at the final five (unless Kimmi wins) and they likely boot Jeremy (if he isn't taken out at the final six), and then I still think Kelley gets taken out at four. Leaving us with a final three of Kimmi, Keith, and Spencer or Tasha (dependent on who gets taken out at final five and final six).
Regardless, Kimmi is basically guaranteed a spot in the final three if not for the idols at the final six, and she'd also be the winner. I still remember watching that tribal live and being utterly heartbroken and devastated - especially because she was an ICONIC old-school legend who played her heart out in her second chance to only have it ripped from her. Just imagine how satisfying it would be if Kimmi won Second Chance. I really hope she gets to play a third time because she is one of my all time favourite players!
She probably wouldn’t have beaten Jeremy. He won 10-0-0.
@@prestonk6271 I totally see that logic but Jeremy won against Spencer and Tasha who were absolutely despised by the jury - not saying Jeremy played a bad game, but Kimmi would've won (just watch her Ponderosa) even if Jeremy is in the final three with her. She has Kass, Savage, Kelly Wiglesworth (the parents) - Kimmi was a single mom and I believe Kass said somewhere that most of the jurors (being parents) wanted a parent to win. She has Ciera because not only was Kimmi a single mom, but she would've satisfied Ciera's "big move" requirement if her flip at the final six worked (identical to what Ciera did in her original season). That's four votes. I think it is like if Kelley is out at four then she votes Kimmi too - she was the one who gave Kelley the chance to get past the final six, and she would've likely been bitter at Keith for turning on her (this is all hypothetical of course). That's five votes. Even if Jeremy gets the other five, Keith has to break the tie and I think it's fair to say that he 100000% votes Kimmi in this situation as he was literally willing to VOLUNTARILY be voted out at the final six because he wanted Kimmi to have a chance as she was a single mom, plus they were aligned.
likely*
Darrah Johnson if they wanted a parent to win, they could’ve still voted for Jeremy. Either way, we probably will never know and I’m gonna give the edge to Jeremy
predicting cirie #1
39 would have been a much better season if Dan had been screwed by the vote block or hanging envelope instead of Jason or Jamal or if he’d been his tribe’s first boot instead of Molly.
I feel like the assessment that Natalie had an unfair advantage when she had more time on the edge is slightly biased. Though this does make sense in theory, the way that things actually happened only gives her an advantage in one of the post-merge Edge fire token challenges (and even then it isn't a very significant one). Natalie entered the post-merge Edge with 0 fire tokens and a useless idol. The first Edge challenge mostly relied on knowledge of previous seasons, which has little to do with time on the Edge. The next Edge challenge had to do with a randomly hidden advantage, which Parv and Nat stumbled upon due to luck, which once again isn't tied to Edge time. After that was another effort challenge, which, if anything, Natalie was disadvantaged by. Then, on the final Edge challenge, Natalie's experience finally (arguably) came in handy, when she was able to decipher the clue and find the stone throne the quickest. Though it can be reasonably argued that Natalie's Edge experience came into play, I do think that Natalie's physical prowess and some luck were factors as well.
But still, comparing it to Nick who lasted until final 6, then was voted out, had no opportunity to get fire tokens or any advantages. Or even Jeremy voted out at 7 with only one chance at a fire token. That's definitely an unfair advantage.
Saw Cirie at the top of the list from a mile away.
I'm playing my universal belovedness nullifier. I'm not a huge Cirie fan. For some reason I just never liked her. So I wasn't exactly torn up about her getting voted out that way. It was actually kind of funny.
I'd be fine with advantages if like, all players were told before a season starts what the advantages will be. How are you supposed to prepare your game when a brand new advantage never before used comes in and screws you? It's just as unfair as the fake merge in Thailand or mandatory fire making, as far as i'm concerned. Regarding the Yul idol, I think even if it was a "normal" idol that Penner would've flipped either way - but I do think Yul's idol would've been used or flushed eventually, and Ozzy definitely would've won the season IMO.
On winners at war the people voted out should’ve got to keep their fire tokens