I am a late-comer in discovering Nick. I am overwhelmed by the depth of his journey. So glad I did find him. I can relate so much to his struggles with faith and the creative process. I lost my daughter recently and his words of how he came to terms with his son bring me comfort. In the current climate we need more like Nick. Great interview: well recorded, the setting, the sound, the questions
I never met this man or knew anything about him until now and i have cried a few times listening to this. He has a soul i understand and connect with. Beautiful x
Grief can throw you into an unexpected and surprising state of grace where you suddenly feel connected with everything and everyone. It is another kind of state that I found a huge help while in deep grief.
But there's still 3 choices and you're still choosing one. Yet isn't your claim that the wisdom is not being certain? So then why be certain of the ambivalence? Not trying to be a jerk. I get your point. Just don't think it's that easy. Choosing neutrality isn't always wise or higher minded.
I came here overwhelmed by a loss three years ago. Grief has finally arrived. The hear Nick Caves journey through such an unimaginable loss has worked, oddly to lift me. Thank you both.
For me Nick Cave has really became an "Ultimate Colsoler". Every time I see or hear him, I become a better person and more calm. He is like an Ultimate ASMR video for me. I've been his fan since 1997.
Ghosteen was like a full on spiritual experience for me. I mean shivers up the legs, back and head; a feeling in the gut and chest and lots of tears; plus a deep resonance that words can't describe. The album came out when I was in the middle of a dark night of the soul, caused by grief and trauma.
@@simpsimpson5175Maybe you will one day go through a major depression and PTSD and when that becomes the entirety of your existence you might then have a clue about how stupid your comment was.
it has been fascinating to follow Mr Cave's evolution over the last 40 years or so. As a 16 or 17 year old I traveled all the way to London from North Staffordshire to see what was due to be the Birthday Party's last ever UK gig, or perhaps their last ever gig,. It was at The Venue in Vitoria. They wouldn't let me in because I was so obviously not 18. I can still feel the disappointment.
I'm only discovering Nick Cave now although he's my generation. Don't think it was the easiest interview Freddy has ever conducted, but how wonderful it was. Nick's raw humanity was palpable. Well done Freddy for going to tough places with this most compelling man.
I once met nick cave, he was a gentleman, I gave him a Kylie Minogue bag from a pound shop I had hanging on my wall, he came back to my flat in Manchester after a gig in the 90s, we tried to score, he was very trusting and brought the whole band back even though we couldn't get any drug's, I respect him and his music, especially the boatmans call album, if he ever reads this, I know what that kind of grief feels like . I enjoyed this interview. 👍
A quiet fan for many years….. thank you It’s inevitable with pain and suffering …. We all grow up and mature with time ….. nice to see it in artists and alike …. In my life the last few years did do some good …. It did for me 🕊🙏🏻🕊
What a delight to sit and watch this interview. Nick's music and art has deeply impacted me going on 25 years now and holds a very special place in my life and my own attempts at creative expression; overcoming addiction and the impact of grief and reconciling one's faith. I did get a giggle from his advice on today's counterculture. I pray for Nick and his loved ones. God bless him!
It appears that Nick is a man who is continually searching for belief but has not fully found it. I feel he has actually found it but has not realized it. Good on you Nick.
Wow! Great interview. Thank you UnHerd. Nick's songs have been an important part of my life. You just have to live a few decades to understand what he is talking about. There is a lyric that has sticked to me for all these years of existence: today is the time of courage, tomorrow of forgiveness, sweetheart come.
Today is the time of courage, tomorrow of forgiveness. Stunning. Thanks for sharing his lyrics. These mean something to me bc I was never convinced or convicted by the pandemic vaccines and the resistance required my courage. I was ostrasized, mocked and humiliated. But tomorrow has come and I've got to forgive the anti-human treatment I got. We must all become the sweet of heart.
Well done Freddy. I've been following Nick's story since the early 80's knowing that someone as open and scabrous as he was would have to eventually run into God's brick wall. And Nick if you read this, I salute you from one of those dodgy RUclips channels.
This is refreshing,I’m a christen and can totally relate to nick,it’s not something you can explain ,it’s an uncontrollable overwhelming feeling of love and it’s very personal,and once you’ve felt it your life changes
One of the most candid sides I've seen of Nick and it makes me feel humble in relation to the changes that he and his family have gone through these last few years......and on another note it cheers me that he's (possibly) read Hitchens. Love you and your work Nick!!
Have been in love w Nick Cave for about 20 years now. The most tangible thing about him are his words. And his deep voice in song. Love Leonard Cohen too rip.
Wonderful interview with a person I appreciate more for "who" he is, rather than "what" he's done. Of late I've tried to, pardon the cliche, meet people where they are, instead of using them as some sort of human measuring stick to confirm how clever I am. I am not clever, yet I'm trying to keep my channels open. Freddy yet again asks brilliant questions. Thank you.
I'm an Australian, and not a church goer, but I believe in cultural observance of the sanctity of Easter. I was extremely offended by the title. Thankfully it hit my phone on Saturday, but I instantly realised it had been uploaded on Good Friday, whilst I was fasting and offline. I look forward to Unherd selecting a title likely to offend Muslims soon.
I have being listening to Nick Cave since 1989- first time I saw him was in the sfx in Dublin when I was 20 on the Henry’s dream tour This is probably the best interview I have seen with nick cave - well done to the interviewer and the questions from the crowd
The best stories are a melding of the uncanny and the sublime. Thank you for this conversation- so lovely for the Holy Week journey… a very deep vibrating too… especially with others around the world who are also on this annual pilgrimage
Jesus was announced as king of Israel in that choice between Jesus and Barabbas. Quickly said, Pilot dressed Jesus up as King, Pilot presented Jesus to the Sanhedrin and high priest among the crowd as "their King". Told the crowd to choose to crucify "their King" or Barabbas. The Saducees and High Priest chose "their king" Jesus to be crucified and instigated the Jewish crowd to choose "their King" to be crucified..... and so the Priesthood anointed Jesus as their king in order for him to be executed. And Pilat published this fact above Jesus head at a time when Jerusalem was most crowded of Jews from all over the realm. What this accomplished was to legalize according to Torah law Jesus' amended covenant and make irrelevant all burdensome Talmudic rules. I think Jesus and Pilat planned it together. Neet trick on the Sanhedrin huh.
Nick seems like a really good skin. Intelligent but very humble. I pray that he will encounter Christ in such a way that all his skepticism will completely vanish. Our Lord is knocking on the door of his heart in a special way right now and it’s a beautiful thing to see. God bless
Adore Nick Cave and have missed Leonard Cohen for his sublime presence in the world.. Seeing Nick here has made me realise that he is matching Leonard Cohen with his gentle wisdom and charismatic soul...
... seeing Nick Cave in a new light! Enlightening and inspiring, thought provoking and honest. A brilliant interview. I will read his book and refamiliarise myself with his music.
Nick Cave is such a beautiful human being. His Red Hands Files are the only newsletters that I bother to open and read religiously. So raw, earnest, spiritual, and non conforming. God bless his heart❤
Nick Cave is sooooo refreshing everytime he talks.... inspiring! Just as he is electrifying listening to his songs and performing on stage. Thanks a lot for this interview.
So wonderful to come across this discussion. Although I'm a fan of Uherd already, I didn't expect this one and as usual, it sparked some great insights. Thank you!
Nick if you’re reading , God never withdrew from Jesus. He was always with Him .Jesus shared our humanity with all the anguish and pain - that is why he is the true propitiation and advocate for our brokenness- and the great task to redeem humanity was tinged with our human anguish and frailty. That’s why He was alone, but the Father was always with him. He cried out ‘it is finished’ …. his work on the cross - that redeems us all by faith in this selfless brave act of the ages- because God as man was the only one who could accomplish it- reconciliation manifest - Amen 🙏 Oh, and tender prey was the first record I ever bought x
I was introduced to Nick Cave in the late 90's. My roommate has murder ballads on CD. I love that record. But is so much more to him, I found over the years.
I like Nick's honesty and the machinations of his mind very real very human & the interviewer is terrific in drawing out Nick's thoughts. I followed Jesus for decades now - sometimes doubting, sceptical, sometimes giving up but now am delighted to say having hung on I now know God as deeply real and as a deep spiritual friend and help. It feels something like having a great King who takes a genuine, personal and loving interest in His subject (a nobody in the scheme of things) but it's even better than that. Hope Nick gets to feel this eventually. God draws us slowly and ever so gently to Him, respecting our free will and our personal space -He's awesome. God bless you all.
Reaching into the side of Jesus into the wounds feeling it fully. That’s the human experience Nick keep travelling the road Damascus and singing your songs 🌱🙏🏽💜
This is a struggle of wise men accepting salvation... I hope salvation will become more desirable to Nick over time than the fancy struggle itself... "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children." Matthew 11:25
I wouldn't say Nick Cave's early performances with Birthday Party were violent per se as much as there was a large emphasis on catastrophic shock as a catalyst for unresolved anguish and as a means of artistic expression as part of the creative process and human discovery. Also, I just want to say that my most favorite period of The Bad Seeds was between Kicking Against The Pricks up to Tender Prey, their most poignant and visceral years.
I very much like The Bad Seeds albums you mentioned. I would also add that I love his first Bad Seeds album From Her to Eternity The Firstborn is Dead is quite good as well.... Anyway, great to know others still enjoy his comprehensive discography. He's such an unique creative force.
Wow! I’m not even a fan of Nick Cave’s music but this was fantastic. A room full of intelligent people having an honest conversation. I actually felt really moved by his openness and non-defensiveness. Wonderful stuff.
Ageing has always had a sobering effect on people. In the words of an old poem "Kind David and King Solomon lead very merry lives, With oh so many concubines and oh so many wives. But when old age crept upon them with oh so many qualms, King Solomon wrote the Proverbs, and David wrote the Psalms."
Love this! Thank-You for having & posting this intimate interview. Cave is a haunting wind in the secular arts, blowing out his points on church, Jesus, angels & the devil, rustling up his audience. No artist should be silenced or corralled which is the antithesis of being a creator. Artists reflect God, an eternal concept, who "In the beginning... created" so Cave has a great gift from the Divine & is the seen & known conduit for the unseen & mysterious Inspiration
Oh I loved this. Have met Nick a few times as well as seeing him perform numerous times. I appreciate his newly found openness. I identify with chunks of his journey with previous drug use, questions around faith etc. It's interesting how some people always want to make others 'define' their perception of Christ/God/faith as per the first audience question here.
One of the best interviews I've seen was William F. Buckley Jr and Truman Capote...but I liked this one too. Oh, how times have devolved with intellect though.
I have been asking the Lord to SAVE NICK CAVE for over 25 years now ! Jesus loves him, and put it on my heart to pray for him, and I just know He has been waiting for Nick to surrender completely to Him. 🙌
Nick love ya mate. Saw you guys in Perth a few times. Sorry for your loss, hold family and friends close everyone. It's so nice to hear him and totally jealous of UK for having him living there. Life can be cruel, but your legacy lives on in everyone you have touched. Like Vegemite, Tim Tams, Bondi, you are our Aussie symbol too.
Nick Cave is a lesson for all of the cool kids out there... if you're 'too cool' to care about your family, just too self-obsessed to observe their behaviour. You'll lose everything and then it'll be too late... and your carelessness will turn into heart-wrenching remorse.
It’s interesting to see the new strategy being adopted by the churches to influence us. Rather than belief or faith we are now told that seriously doubting religion is a normal part of being a member of the church. A clever sales pitch.
An excellent, no-nonsense, no-bullshit conversation. Nick Cave is a genuinely interesting and thinking person- as well as songwriter, of course. I have seem him live more than once, but never before in a conversation like this.
Fredy - awesome. You are a gentleman and certainly showing the vast difference between the entirely shallow US dichotomy between L & R and the true British ability to express and discuss reality in all its shapes and sizes. And have a strong opinion to boot - thank you! God bless praying for you your team and of course Nick
I asked Ai what it thought of we know who u r and got this responce Nick Cave and the Bad seeds have a song called "We No Who U R," which was released in 2012 as the first single from their album "Push the Sky Away." Here are the lyrics to "We No Who U R" by Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds: Verse 1: Tree don’t care what the little bird sings We go down with your darlin’ to the river We go down ‘neath the waves and the calm of the lake We swim down under the ground, lost for a purpose Chorus: We no who you are We know where you live And we know there’s no need to forgive Verse 2: Days turn to sand, summer to rain And I’m still in love with you The world is turning, turning, turning And we’re just hanging on Chorus: We no who you are We know where you live And we know there’s no need to forgive Bridge: We’re mice following the snake Into jaws of desire And you know there’s no reckoning That’s coming in the fire Chorus: We no who you are We know where you live And we know there’s no need to forgive Outro: We no who you are We no who you are We no who you are The lyrics of "We No Who U R" by Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds are somewhat cryptic and open to interpretation. However, here is one possible interpretation: The first verse talks about going down to the river and under the ground, which could be a metaphor for exploring the depths of one's psyche or the hidden, subconscious parts of the world. The chorus ("We no who you are, we know where you live, and we know there's no need to forgive") suggests that the song is directed at someone specific, and that they have been caught doing something wrong or immoral. The repetition of "we no who you are" could be a way of emphasizing the certainty and knowledge of the accusers. The second verse mentions the passing of time and a lingering love, which could suggest a relationship that has fallen apart or a sense of nostalgia for the past. The bridge ("We're mice following the snake into jaws of desire, and you know there's no reckoning that's coming in the fire") could be a warning about the dangers of temptation or following the wrong path, and the idea that there may not be any consequences or punishment for one's actions. Overall, the song seems to be about uncovering the truth about someone and holding them accountable for their actions, while also acknowledging the complexity and ambiguity of human behavior and desire.
I'm Awwwstralian, and a singer...I have been requested over the years to sing Into My Arms three times now at funerals of my friends, and I have found there were quite vast differences in the personality traits of these individuals...this has fascinated me. It is a song that transcends all others during a time of grief I think. Love all your work Mr Cave, your music, your literature, your lyrics, your choice in working collaborations (Warren Ellis). This world of things is a much better place due to your body of work, thank you sir 🙏💜 "I don't believe in an interventionist god" 💜💜💜
God is in the tabernqcle..But also,we receive Him in everyHoly Comunipn and that is when His Divinity entersin our wounds ,memorijske,boda and heal and transform..Also,confession.Try to humbly confess sins to faithful Catholic priest a d get absolution..It is as Eastern brethen calls God's Mysteries and He established it and gave as treasure for us.Behold,i am with you till the end of times..Jesus Christ.. That what I can not comprehemd is our human superficiality and that we chase for bad examoles ,avoiding to see all the glorious saints and great priests and lay,all the nubeorus good deeds as well. Indeed glad for you Nick,thanks be to the Lord.
Great questions, and very authentic answers. Praying that Nick will be able to truly find a relationship with God, and overcome the intellectual hesitation that he still has. “Introduction to Christianity” is the book that did that for me many years ago.
Yes, there is something particularly pathetic about the rebel with a bank balance and conscious family inheritance they know will eventually be available when they grow up and can sit comfortably invested in the very thing they claimed to despise.
GC: We were evicted from *our* hole in the ground; we had to go and live in a lake! TJ: You were lucky to have a LAKE! There were a hundred and sixty of us living in a small shoebox in the middle of the road. MP: Cardboard box? TJ: Aye. MP: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six o'clock in the morning, clean the bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down mill for fourteen hours a day week in-week out. When we got home, our Dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt!
What are your misery credentials? Abused and homeless like Steve Jones? If not, you must be proper bourgeois. Never trust an old punk above ground, is what I feel about it.
@@Djordj69 I am middle class now. But I think the fact we lived in a basement, had an outside toilet and got washed in a kitchen sink qualified us as poor. The point I was trying to make is that all the middle class punks who were rebelling against the system were full of shit.
Masterful interview Freddy! Nick was very mindful and as provocative/complex as we all knew he would be. I was at a spoken word event years back and Perry Farrell (JA) said something that stuck with me ever since..."cut out the middleman (church) and go straight to the source." Nick is sooooo close on his path. Hopefully Perry's advice can nudge Nick the way it impacted me.
@@littlerebel296 You don't think having divine liturgy, someone who is an expert in theology and a community around you bound on spiritual principles is essential? or atleast very helpful?
@@jaysunrickards When you meet the devil in person you tend to bypass all the theology and search for answers and help immediately. The Tree of Knowledge is the key that deciphers your understanding on good and evil. You can learn more from RUclips channels (Pastor Arnold Murray of Shepherd's Chapel or Marc the Messenger) and real life scenarios tenfold vs needing a theologian. Some say it's stepping out of the Matrix while the theologians are still stuck in the flesh world without real life experiences. If the theologian has not experienced these levels, they are not going to understand or help with these different realms of spiritual awareness. Going straight to the source is the best way to traverse leveling up.
@@littlerebel296The flesh world is the only place you get real life experience and that is stepping out of the matrix. RUclips is the matrix. Have you ever experienced a Divine Liturgy? And what about the question of and need for real life community?
Forgive me, but “relating” to Christ strikes me as such a hippie connotation. I sincerely hope, Nick, that you find Christ 24:41 as your anchor and savior
Nick Cave looks well for multiple decades of rocking out &/or in the music industry 🫡 Please accept my sincerest empathy in tragedy Nick...and in hope brother 🫡
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I am a late-comer in discovering Nick. I am overwhelmed by the depth of his journey. So glad I did find him. I can relate so much to his struggles with faith and the creative process. I lost my daughter recently and his words of how he came to terms with his son bring me comfort. In the current climate we need more like Nick. Great interview: well recorded, the setting, the sound, the questions
I wish you love and healing my friend X
If you ever get a chance check out his Western "the proposition" with Guy Pearce.
Me, too. This book is awesome.
I am here a year-ish on and express sadness for the loss of your daughter.
I never met this man or knew anything about him until now and i have cried a few times listening to this. He has a soul i understand and connect with. Beautiful x
enjoy your journey. He has been by my side sine 1996. Not always the best companion, but I wouldn't trade his insight for the world
you really cant wrong w/-Mr Nick Cave.&'The BadSeeds..lots to get to know..good;/ luck&.choice/
Really cried? That is bad ass.
His music was always incredible as a result.
Grief can throw you into an unexpected and surprising state of grace where you suddenly feel connected with everything and everyone. It is another kind of state that I found a huge help while in deep grief.
Same
In an age when the world is divided by conflicting certainties, ambivalence seems wiser and more truthful.
Divide and conquer
coward
But there's still 3 choices and you're still choosing one. Yet isn't your claim that the wisdom is not being certain? So then why be certain of the ambivalence?
Not trying to be a jerk. I get your point. Just don't think it's that easy. Choosing neutrality isn't always wise or higher minded.
"Living outside the expectations of other people".....love that. Nick looks so good and still the same virtually.
i would say he has had a few face lifts and other work. Not judging him about that, it just seems that way.
One can feel the authenticity, depth and openess here. It is incredibly attractive. More of this, please.
Nick is solid gold.
Yes felt that one minute in.
Sadly there is only one nick cave…
I just listening
I came here overwhelmed by a loss three years ago. Grief has finally arrived.
The hear Nick Caves journey through such an unimaginable loss has worked, oddly to lift me.
Thank you both.
♥️
Yeah. Nobody cares. Get over it.
For me Nick Cave has really became an "Ultimate Colsoler". Every time I see or hear him, I become a better person and more calm. He is like an Ultimate ASMR video for me. I've been his fan since 1997.
Colsoler ? Never heard this word before, thank you for educating me
He is just a singer and writer not a fuckin guru🤷
For me too! ❤
@@B.B.Amsterdam Why rain on someone's parade? If Nick helps people, let them have it.
This is so unexpected and awesome. Been a Cave fan since 94, never thought I'd see him on Unherd but it is a sublime choice!
Ghosteen was like a full on spiritual experience for me. I mean shivers up the legs, back and head; a feeling in the gut and chest and lots of tears; plus a deep resonance that words can't describe. The album came out when I was in the middle of a dark night of the soul, caused by grief and trauma.
you sound very self obsessed
@@simpsimpson5175Maybe you will one day go through a major depression and PTSD and when that becomes the entirety of your existence you might then have a clue about how stupid your comment was.
@@simpsimpson5175 you sound like a prick
@@simpsimpson5175 you sound like an utter prick
@@simpsimpson5175 You sound like a wanker
it has been fascinating to follow Mr Cave's evolution over the last 40 years or so. As a 16 or 17 year old I traveled all the way to London from North Staffordshire to see what was due to be the Birthday Party's last ever UK gig, or perhaps their last ever gig,. It was at The Venue in Vitoria. They wouldn't let me in because I was so obviously not 18. I can still feel the disappointment.
I saw the Birthday Party at the Ibeam in San Francisco. It was incredible. What a time to be alive and experience what was happening.
Wow ..all that distance 😅😅
if you were 17 it can't have been that obvious you weren't 18
@@kylebalmer3396 many 18 year olds look quite obviously not 18
I'm only discovering Nick Cave now although he's my generation. Don't think it was the easiest interview Freddy has ever conducted, but how wonderful it was. Nick's raw humanity was palpable. Well done Freddy for going to tough places with this most compelling man.
I once met nick cave, he was a gentleman, I gave him a Kylie Minogue bag from a pound shop I had hanging on my wall, he came back to my flat in Manchester after a gig in the 90s, we tried to score, he was very trusting and brought the whole band back even though we couldn't get any drug's, I respect him and his music, especially the boatmans call album, if he ever reads this, I know what that kind of grief feels like . I enjoyed this interview. 👍
that is pretty hilarious really.
Im a manc too 😂 i can see this happening in manc 😂
A quiet fan for many years….. thank you
It’s inevitable with pain and suffering …. We all grow up and mature with time ….. nice to see it in artists and alike
…. In my life the last few years did do some good …. It did for me 🕊🙏🏻🕊
Excellent 👍
I really enjoyed listening to Nick Cave's journey with faith and doubt. It was very relatable to my own.
What a delight to sit and watch this interview. Nick's music and art has deeply impacted me going on 25 years now and holds a very special place in my life and my own attempts at creative expression; overcoming addiction and the impact of grief and reconciling one's faith. I did get a giggle from his advice on today's counterculture. I pray for Nick and his loved ones. God bless him!
It appears that Nick is a man who is continually searching for belief but has not fully found it. I feel he has actually found it but has not realized it. Good on you Nick.
"There's nothing in doing what you've done before" Dam! Best quote I've heard this year. Thank you Nick
Thank you Freddy and thank you Nick. It's been an absolute pleasure listening to your conversation.
Wow! Great interview. Thank you UnHerd. Nick's songs have been an important part of my life. You just have to live a few decades to understand what he is talking about. There is a lyric that has sticked to me for all these years of existence: today is the time of courage, tomorrow of forgiveness, sweetheart come.
Today is the time of courage, tomorrow of forgiveness. Stunning. Thanks for sharing his lyrics. These mean something to me bc I was never convinced or convicted by the pandemic vaccines and the resistance required my courage. I was ostrasized, mocked and humiliated. But tomorrow has come and I've got to forgive the anti-human treatment I got. We must all become the sweet of heart.
Well done Freddy. I've been following Nick's story since the early 80's knowing that someone as open and scabrous as he was would have to eventually run into God's brick wall. And Nick if you read this, I salute you from one of those dodgy RUclips channels.
Eventually!? The Mercy Seat from 1988 would suggest God has been involved in the songs from the beginning....
This is taking me a long time to get through.......I keep having to pause the conversation and listen to Nick Cave songs.
This is refreshing,I’m a christen and can totally relate to nick,it’s not something you can explain ,it’s an uncontrollable overwhelming feeling of love and it’s very personal,and once you’ve felt it your life changes
Christian
So excited for this. Nicks been a beacon of integrity in the artistic world for decades
Do you mean deacon?
So excited for what exactly?
@@OnceTheyNamedMeiWasnt Clever I get it, but beacon is the right choice.
@@oldnatty61 excited for his 🏈🏀
@@oldnatty61 Ok, sorry. Have subscribed.
One of the most candid sides I've seen of Nick and it makes me feel humble in relation to the changes that he and his family have gone through these last few years......and on another note it cheers me that he's (possibly) read Hitchens. Love you and your work Nick!!
Nick Cave is the epitome of cool. Such a lovely, nuanced, thoughtful man
Have been in love w Nick Cave for about 20 years now. The most tangible thing about him are his words. And his deep voice in song. Love Leonard Cohen too rip.
I listened to a lot of Nick Caves stuff during lockdown and was blown away by his song writing A genius.
I want to see a Nick Cave, Jonathan Pageau, and Jordan Peterson all chat for about 3 1/3 hours...❤️♥️❤️
I thought the exact same thing today! Lol
Wonderful interview with a person I appreciate more for "who" he is, rather than "what" he's done. Of late I've tried to, pardon the cliche, meet people where they are, instead of using them as some sort of human measuring stick to confirm how clever I am. I am not clever, yet I'm trying to keep my channels open. Freddy yet again asks brilliant questions. Thank you.
Thanks for this. It would be great to see a Nick Cave/Paul Kingsnorth conversation. Make it happen Unherd!
That would be great
What a brilliant and sensitive conversation for a Good Friday
Freddie is responding so deeply- he’s loving this discussion
I think they should also have invite John Cleese ...
@@annieodowd6066 i wouldve thought nick and freddie an unlikely duo, but they're cute together
I'm an Australian, and not a church goer, but I believe in cultural observance of the sanctity of Easter. I was extremely offended by the title. Thankfully it hit my phone on Saturday, but I instantly realised it had been uploaded on Good Friday, whilst I was fasting and offline. I look forward to Unherd selecting a title likely to offend Muslims soon.
@@grannyannie2948 strange attitude by a Christian
An artist in the purist sense.Rare and precious.
I have being listening to Nick Cave since 1989- first time I saw him was in the sfx in Dublin when I was 20 on the Henry’s dream tour This is probably the best interview I have seen with nick cave - well done to the interviewer and the questions from the crowd
The best stories are a melding of the uncanny and the sublime. Thank you for this conversation- so lovely for the Holy Week journey… a very deep vibrating too… especially with others around the world who are also on this annual pilgrimage
Jesus was announced as king of Israel in that choice between Jesus and Barabbas. Quickly said, Pilot dressed Jesus up as King, Pilot presented Jesus to the Sanhedrin and high priest among the crowd as "their King". Told the crowd to choose to crucify "their King" or Barabbas. The Saducees and High Priest chose "their king" Jesus to be crucified and instigated the Jewish crowd to choose "their King" to be crucified..... and so the Priesthood anointed Jesus as their king in order for him to be executed. And Pilat published this fact above Jesus head at a time when Jerusalem was most crowded of Jews from all over the realm.
What this accomplished was to legalize according to Torah law Jesus' amended covenant and make irrelevant all burdensome Talmudic rules.
I think Jesus and Pilat planned it together. Neet trick on the Sanhedrin huh.
Nick seems like a really good skin. Intelligent but very humble. I pray that he will encounter Christ in such a way that all his skepticism will completely vanish. Our Lord is knocking on the door of his heart in a special way right now and it’s a beautiful thing to see. God bless
Somehow doubt and certainty can coincide.
I’m pretty sure he’s deeper in Christ than many people understand.
Adore Nick Cave and have missed Leonard Cohen for his sublime presence in the world.. Seeing Nick here has made me realise that he is matching Leonard Cohen with his gentle wisdom and charismatic soul...
You got my attention, UnHerd! Great work.
... seeing Nick Cave in a new light! Enlightening and inspiring, thought provoking and honest. A brilliant interview. I will read his book and refamiliarise myself with his music.
Nick Cave is such a beautiful human being. His Red Hands Files are the only newsletters that I bother to open and read religiously. So raw, earnest, spiritual, and non conforming. God bless his heart❤
Nick Cave is sooooo refreshing everytime he talks.... inspiring! Just as he is electrifying listening to his songs and performing on stage. Thanks a lot for this interview.
So wonderful to come across this discussion. Although I'm a fan of Uherd already, I didn't expect this one and as usual, it sparked some great insights. Thank you!
Nick if you’re reading , God never withdrew from Jesus. He was always with Him .Jesus shared our humanity with all the anguish and pain - that is why he is the true propitiation and advocate for our brokenness- and the great task to redeem humanity was tinged with our human anguish and frailty. That’s why He was alone, but the Father was always with him. He cried out ‘it is finished’ …. his work on the cross - that redeems us all by faith in this selfless brave act of the ages- because God as man was the only one who could accomplish it- reconciliation manifest - Amen 🙏
Oh, and tender prey was the first record I ever bought x
I was introduced to Nick Cave in the late 90's. My roommate has murder ballads on CD. I love that record. But is so much more to him, I found over the years.
Wasn't expecting this!
I like Nick's honesty and the machinations of his mind very real very human & the interviewer is terrific in drawing out Nick's thoughts.
I followed Jesus for decades now - sometimes doubting, sceptical, sometimes giving up but now am delighted to say having hung on I now know God as deeply real and as a deep spiritual friend and help. It feels something like having a great King who takes a genuine, personal and loving interest in His subject (a nobody in the scheme of things) but it's even better than that.
Hope Nick gets to feel this eventually. God draws us slowly and ever so gently to Him, respecting our free will and our personal space -He's
awesome. God bless you all.
Nick's sheer lack of contrivance makes him a rare thing indeed
Reaching into the side of Jesus into the wounds feeling it fully. That’s the human experience
Nick keep travelling the road Damascus and singing your songs 🌱🙏🏽💜
This is a struggle of wise men accepting salvation... I hope salvation will become more desirable to Nick over time than the fancy struggle itself... "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children." Matthew 11:25
Super gay
@@stevepereyda6025saying super gay is even gayier then gay
Excellent point and a very appropriate verse.
@@stevepereyda6025 what a remarkable response and alternative for us to consider.
I guess you are free to think as you please... if you want to believe... in nothing.
I like this young man interviewing Nick, he seems sincere and well spoken. Not many out there that aren't seeking "clout".
I wouldn't say Nick Cave's early performances with Birthday Party were violent per se as much as there was a large emphasis on catastrophic shock as a catalyst for unresolved anguish and as a means of artistic expression as part of the creative process and human discovery. Also, I just want to say that my most favorite period of The Bad Seeds was between Kicking Against The Pricks up to Tender Prey, their most poignant and visceral years.
I very much like The Bad Seeds albums you mentioned. I would also add that I love his first Bad Seeds album From Her to Eternity
The Firstborn is Dead is quite good as well....
Anyway, great to know others still enjoy his comprehensive discography. He's such an unique creative force.
Birthday Party concerts were incredibly violent - but most of that came from the audience, to the point where the band were fed up.
Wow! I’m not even a fan of Nick Cave’s music but this was fantastic. A room full of intelligent people having an honest conversation. I actually felt really moved by his openness and non-defensiveness. Wonderful stuff.
Ageing has always had a sobering effect on people. In the words of an old poem
"Kind David and King Solomon lead very merry lives,
With oh so many concubines and oh so many wives.
But when old age crept upon them with oh so many qualms,
King Solomon wrote the Proverbs, and David wrote the Psalms."
Love this! Thank-You for having & posting this intimate interview. Cave is a haunting wind in the secular arts, blowing out his points on church, Jesus, angels & the devil, rustling up his audience. No artist should be silenced or corralled which is the antithesis of being a creator. Artists reflect God, an eternal concept, who "In the beginning... created" so Cave has a great gift from the Divine & is the seen & known conduit for the unseen & mysterious Inspiration
It's interesting how many times Nick uses "merciless" in the interview ...
"Mercy" being so present in his songs as well.
Yes, I thought the same.
Oh I loved this. Have met Nick a few times as well as seeing him perform numerous times. I appreciate his newly found openness. I identify with chunks of his journey with previous drug use, questions around faith etc. It's interesting how some people always want to make others 'define' their perception of Christ/God/faith as per the first audience question here.
Into my arms.
What a song.
One of the most romantic songs ever made
This is one of the best conversations/interviews I’ve seen in a long time. Amazing job Freddie
One of the best interviews I've seen was William F. Buckley Jr and Truman Capote...but I liked this one too. Oh, how times have devolved with intellect though.
well this made my day. what a beautiful way to spend an hour and what an amazing human being.
Possibly
I like him so much more as he passes middle age. Wish his family didnt have to experience their loss
I have been asking the Lord to SAVE NICK CAVE for over 25 years now !
Jesus loves him, and put it on my heart to pray for him, and I just know He has been waiting for Nick to surrender completely to Him. 🙌
Excellent, love the conversation. Thanks you two.
What an absolute Easter gift this conversation is!! Thankyou Unherd!
Civilized conversation. Very enjoyable. Thank you, Gentlemen.
Watching you become a gentleman is so inspiring it's...belief itself
Excellent interview. Perfect Easter meditation.
Nick love ya mate. Saw you guys in Perth a few times. Sorry for your loss, hold family and friends close everyone. It's so nice to hear him and totally jealous of UK for having him living there. Life can be cruel, but your legacy lives on in everyone you have touched. Like Vegemite, Tim Tams, Bondi, you are our Aussie symbol too.
Nick Cave is a lesson for all of the cool kids out there... if you're 'too cool' to care about your family, just too self-obsessed to observe their behaviour. You'll lose everything and then it'll be too late... and your carelessness will turn into heart-wrenching remorse.
But what's Winston Churchill got to do with it?
What an insightless, insensitive remark.
Bloody Philistine ♀️🇦🇺
@@petemc5070 Churchill was just as insane as Hitler
Some parents are just as bad, they'll be no remorse from them.
Most kids rebel until they lose a parent or a friend early in life.
Truly one of Unherd's best 🌹🌹🌹
Gott Mit Uns Nick!! a superbly well measured and at the same time deep interview....thanks.
It’s interesting to see the new strategy being adopted by the churches to influence us. Rather than belief or faith we are now told that seriously doubting religion is a normal part of being a member of the church. A clever sales pitch.
An excellent, no-nonsense, no-bullshit conversation. Nick Cave is a genuinely interesting and thinking person- as well as songwriter, of course. I have seem him live more than once, but never before in a conversation like this.
Fredy - awesome. You are a gentleman and certainly showing the vast difference between the entirely shallow US dichotomy between L & R and the true British ability to express and discuss reality in all its shapes and sizes. And have a strong opinion to boot - thank you! God bless praying for you your team and of course Nick
You can't do what you've done before. Great interview from unherd.
I asked Ai what it thought of we know who u r and got this responce Nick Cave and the Bad seeds have a song called "We No Who U R," which was released in 2012 as the first single from their album "Push the Sky Away."
Here are the lyrics to "We No Who U R" by Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds:
Verse 1:
Tree don’t care what the little bird sings
We go down with your darlin’ to the river
We go down ‘neath the waves and the calm of the lake
We swim down under the ground, lost for a purpose
Chorus:
We no who you are
We know where you live
And we know there’s no need to forgive
Verse 2:
Days turn to sand, summer to rain
And I’m still in love with you
The world is turning, turning, turning
And we’re just hanging on
Chorus:
We no who you are
We know where you live
And we know there’s no need to forgive
Bridge:
We’re mice following the snake
Into jaws of desire
And you know there’s no reckoning
That’s coming in the fire
Chorus:
We no who you are
We know where you live
And we know there’s no need to forgive
Outro:
We no who you are
We no who you are
We no who you are The lyrics of "We No Who U R" by Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds are somewhat cryptic and open to interpretation. However, here is one possible interpretation:
The first verse talks about going down to the river and under the ground, which could be a metaphor for exploring the depths of one's psyche or the hidden, subconscious parts of the world. The chorus ("We no who you are, we know where you live, and we know there's no need to forgive") suggests that the song is directed at someone specific, and that they have been caught doing something wrong or immoral. The repetition of "we no who you are" could be a way of emphasizing the certainty and knowledge of the accusers.
The second verse mentions the passing of time and a lingering love, which could suggest a relationship that has fallen apart or a sense of nostalgia for the past. The bridge ("We're mice following the snake into jaws of desire, and you know there's no reckoning that's coming in the fire") could be a warning about the dangers of temptation or following the wrong path, and the idea that there may not be any consequences or punishment for one's actions.
Overall, the song seems to be about uncovering the truth about someone and holding them accountable for their actions, while also acknowledging the complexity and ambiguity of human behavior and desire.
Fascinating …thanks for that effort @Anthony Carter
I'm Awwwstralian, and a singer...I have been requested over the years to sing Into My Arms three times now at funerals of my friends, and I have found there were quite vast differences in the personality traits of these individuals...this has fascinated me. It is a song that transcends all others during a time of grief I think.
Love all your work Mr Cave, your music, your literature, your lyrics, your choice in working collaborations (Warren Ellis).
This world of things is a much better place due to your body of work, thank you sir 🙏💜
"I don't believe in an interventionist god" 💜💜💜
God is in the tabernqcle..But also,we receive Him in everyHoly Comunipn and that is when His Divinity entersin our wounds ,memorijske,boda and heal and transform..Also,confession.Try to humbly confess sins to faithful Catholic priest a d get absolution..It is as Eastern brethen calls God's Mysteries and He established it and gave as treasure for us.Behold,i am with you till the end of times..Jesus Christ..
That what I can not comprehemd is our human superficiality and that we chase for bad examoles ,avoiding to see all the glorious saints and great priests and lay,all the nubeorus good deeds as well.
Indeed glad for you Nick,thanks be to the Lord.
Loved it! So special, thank you ❤
Sublime insights. Thank you Nick and Freddie!
Great questions, and very authentic answers. Praying that Nick will be able to truly find a relationship with God, and overcome the intellectual hesitation that he still has. “Introduction to Christianity” is the book that did that for me many years ago.
Thanks for this fantastic interview!
Such transparency with such honesty ❤
As a visual artist also from that generation I can totally relate ❤️
Such a great conversation. Always been a fan, so was thrilled to see nick cave on unherd. Brill
Breathless will forever be my favourite nick cave creation.
Faith is deliberate doubt..on a backburn...but in my life combined with hope..an enormously loving principle..one who hopes in some kind of faith..
Saw the title, instant click.
I grew up in London during the punk-rock era and to be honest, all my friends or peers who were punk were a bunch of middle-class tossers!
and you were a real worker,or workingclass person? The middle class deserves ,in general the tosser label. But who doesn't want to be M.C.
Yes, there is something particularly pathetic about the rebel with a bank balance and conscious family inheritance they know will eventually be available when they grow up and can sit comfortably invested in the very thing they claimed to despise.
GC: We were evicted from *our* hole in the ground; we had to go and live in a lake!
TJ: You were lucky to have a LAKE! There were a hundred and sixty of us living in a small shoebox in the middle of the road.
MP: Cardboard box?
TJ: Aye.
MP: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six o'clock in the morning, clean the bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down mill for fourteen hours a day week in-week out. When we got home, our Dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt!
What are your misery credentials?
Abused and homeless like Steve Jones? If not, you must be proper bourgeois.
Never trust an old punk above ground, is what I feel about it.
@@Djordj69 I am middle class now. But I think the fact we lived in a basement, had an outside toilet and got washed in a kitchen sink qualified us as poor. The point I was trying to make is that all the middle class punks who were rebelling against the system were full of shit.
Incredible interview, thankyou
Masterful interview Freddy! Nick was very mindful and as provocative/complex as we all knew he would be. I was at a spoken word event years back and Perry Farrell (JA) said something that stuck with me ever since..."cut out the middleman (church) and go straight to the source." Nick is sooooo close on his path. Hopefully Perry's advice can nudge Nick the way it impacted me.
what does going straight to source mean for you?
@@jaysunrickards talk to JC or Yahweh directly
@@littlerebel296 You don't think having divine liturgy, someone who is an expert in theology and a community around you bound on spiritual principles is essential? or atleast very helpful?
@@jaysunrickards When you meet the devil in person you tend to bypass all the theology and search for answers and help immediately. The Tree of Knowledge is the key that deciphers your understanding on good and evil. You can learn more from RUclips channels (Pastor Arnold Murray of Shepherd's Chapel or Marc the Messenger) and real life scenarios tenfold vs needing a theologian. Some say it's stepping out of the Matrix while the theologians are still stuck in the flesh world without real life experiences. If the theologian has not experienced these levels, they are not going to understand or help with these different realms of spiritual awareness. Going straight to the source is the best way to traverse leveling up.
@@littlerebel296The flesh world is the only place you get real life experience and that is stepping out of the matrix. RUclips is the matrix. Have you ever experienced a Divine Liturgy? And what about the question of and need for real life community?
I have been several times in Nick's gigs, he seems like a normal person. dark, sarcastic, funny, serious, intelligent
So refreshing to listen to such a great man.
A convo between Tom Holland and Cave is in order
Spider-Man
Wow Nick Cave. Fred you’re such a legend. Time to listen to Jubilee St again.
The emotional honesty in following up the question at 53:26 is very palpable
What a thoughtful, well grounded interview✌️
Forgive me, but “relating” to Christ strikes me as such a hippie connotation. I sincerely hope, Nick, that you find Christ 24:41 as your anchor and savior
Yes
Cave has very bravely crossed over sitting down with Unherd - the man truly follows his own compass - respect.
He literally just sat down for an interview what are you even on about 😂
Nick Cave looks well for multiple decades of rocking out &/or in the music industry 🫡
Please accept my sincerest empathy in tragedy Nick...and in hope brother 🫡
This is awesome. Thank you for interviewing one of my heroes, Freddy.
So calm rational dialogue is still possible after all.