Decolonizing Indian History: Rhetoric or Reality? | Arth - A Culture Fest 2022
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- Опубликовано: 19 фев 2022
- Ali Khan Mahmudabad, joins forces with J Sai Deepak, Meenakshi Jain, and Anand Ranganathan to give us a noteworthy discussion about what decolonizing means and how it has affected politics, religion, faith, literature, and other aspects of our nation.
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Ali is a shining example showing that whatever a Muslim does..he remains faithful to Islam and never to truth
may be there is a fear ingrained from childhood that you cannot speak bad of islam. We havent been brought up that way, so we cant understand whats in his mind.
And when general Indic public realises this, then only they will understand who are they up against.
@@riteshr9477 they will never understand till a kashmir repeats. Or there is some kind of bug mishap.
@@MrRaghavann as B.R Ambedkar said: Islam is not for the universal brotherhood but brotherhood of Muslim amongst muslims only.
@@KunalSaini97 is he the one who exposed Gandhi
My personal opinion - I sincerely hope and wish that Shri J Sai Deepak takes the highest seat in the Indian Judicial System someday.
Jai Hind 🇮🇳
Couldn't have agreed more.
Only possible if Yogi is the PM by the time.
Ali Nd Jai both I love their conversation
@@sureshtally6731 Yogi bhi PM hone ke baad secular ban jayega re Modi ke tarah
So be it
J Sai bhaiya in the process of writing his second book has become a powerhouse in pre modern history
Deepak should design his own history syllabus for school. And pitch it to ncert.
@@raam726 🤣🤣🤣
@@chetanasai7286 0
@@chetanasai7286 💣🤣🤣
@@parimivenkatramaiah5912 tf?
DR. Ali came thinking this is NDTV debate,
He certainly got his facts cleared.😀😄
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Meenakshi ji elegant as always ❤️
May she will write 100 more books .
Thank you Arth
I have heard her for the 1st time. She is amazing and she is very clear.
@@kratikasrivastava2804 do watch her podcast with Abhijit Chavda.
@@SaiAbitathaDUCIC link please.
@@kratikasrivastava2804 ruclips.net/video/XH9EhyB9gEo/видео.html
Meenakshi is the Goddess Incarnate! Jai Ma Saraswathi❤
Ali bhai thought it would be a debate show but he finally found himself in a class of history taken by professor sai deepak
Mr Ali is the one who started his talk...... With meaning of Islam and Hindu. He just diverted the whole talk away from the topic and then questions the panelists. Wah Ali ji wah.
Three legends on the stage, patiently listening and hearing a hypocrite speak his hypocrisy out of his heart! This is my Bharat.
his @$$burn was evident from his opening line "no electricity in UP"
@@ziggy3259 13:10 excavating ? Chinweizu
3years to that video " I am an Indian from the south . Not a south indian."
That statement has made an everlasting impact on Lakhs on Indian.
After that video my life has totally changed. All thnx to Sai Anna and many such scholar!!!
@@bharatam3850 taught me 👉 what is open mindedness and
and what's slightest 👻 leg - pulling , how to go about such incidences
This statement changed my perspective too
I am from the southern part of India, we are all proud Indians but for a large time in the History of independednt India the northern states of India have gone consistently down and performing poorly and this is embararssing for us as Indians when the counterparts in Southern Indian are growing at a steady pace. So we called ourselves south Indians to disassociate ourselves with the rest of India.
But now since all the parts of India are growing at the same rate and we can see the change happening in terms of development and economy, we are truly proud of our India now.
Bhartiye/Indian period.
With no disrespect to other Speakers, all those here for the famous JSD missiles, jump to:
04:27 to 10:10
31:49 to 41:59
1:01:45 to 1:07:11
A sardar from Punjab salutes this man's knowledge and courage. Respect forever 🙏
Wow, A Sardar appreciating a South Indian Intellectual on an Indic subject. That gives us a hope that we will someday be one again....
@@vishvapardeshi160 Yes sir, I deeply and sincerely hope that day is nearer than it seems. Centuries and centuries of blood has been shed in protecting this motherland of ours, and we need to protect it again from all types of attacks. JSD is that guiding light I feel, who is showing us the dharmic way to fight and secure ourselves. I believe it is the duty of every true Indian to bow their heads before someone who holds more knowledge, verbal capacity, articulation and wisdom than their own selves. Here, I salute and bow before JSD for his dedication to the dharmic cause. May Shri ram bless him for all times to come, may waheguru bless him for all the worthy causes he picks up. 🙏
Thanks
No farmer no food 😢!
JAI shree RAM 🙏🙏
This video should be shown to all the youth of this country 🙏
An invigorating discussion. Excellent and respectful.
Brilliant people all these.
Dont just comment, share on social media! also check the last year's discussion.
Youth is already watching 😁. Trust me.
Not only youth but also elders must see this video n listen to the panelists, attentively!
Just another day listening to J Sai Anna & watching what he do best, stating pure facts with sheer confidence & conviction. 🔥Always insightful to hear legends like Meenakshi mam, Ranga sir & JSD. 🙏
Yes. J. Sai deepak is a worthy son of bharat. We are proud of him. His intelligence is awesome.
Amazing knowledge & crystal clear thoughts,kudos to JSD
Mr Ali reminded, "I as a trained historian". Audrey ki aatma aa gayi.
😂😂😂
Hehehheheheheheheheh word salad chef at best.
😜😜😁😁😁😋😋👍👍👍
My question to Dr. Ali - if the whole world was all the time fighting in past, how did our Indic culture and systems make so many spiritual, academic, biological, scientific, astronomical, health related research and knowledge systems ??? There must be inherent peace and security for any social system to come up with so much knowledge and inventions .
I heard a lecture on hindu philosophy by a foreigner
He started by saying this philosophy n tradition seem to have been started and evolved by people who had lot good time ,prosperity ,security and what u call निवांत in marathi...😃😃
ruclips.net/video/hIG_RkjEq4A/видео.html
THIS VIDEO 😊
Half the world is destroyed by one book and the other half by the other book, yet these people hold on to the books protecting them that it is not the fault of the book and that HInduism is bad too. Ha haa....what these books have done in the past and doing in the present, what Hindus scriptures are doing.....cAn't anyone with brains see. Just be saying hinduism is also regressive and bad, can never put the abrahamic into justification. The nature of Hinduism is Dharmic and hence reformable even if any social evils crept in, whereas the Abrahamics are adharmic and unreformable, its adharmic values are set on stones, unchallengable.
FANTASTIC AND PICKY QUESTION, I AM SURE DR. ALI IS NOT OR RATHER CANNOT ANSWER FOR AN HONEST ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION WILL SHAKE UP THE FOUNDATIONS OF HIS SCHOLARSHIP.
There's actually truth to that. He probably meant that we're currently living in the most peaceful time barring the terrorism that spews out from western asia. There's a sense of borders now that are stronger than they were in the past. Ancient timeline is surprisingly peaceful. Medieval is the most bloody and modern has been quite peaceful too. Your question doesn't really make sense. Despite the medieval madness, people still advanced.
Sadly today most Hindus r interested in Politics winning and the cost of losing of Civilization and Culture due to our ignorance for not Questioning the qovt. for controlling our Temples and not giving equal rights to Hindu Institutions .
We have put our Civilization at the stake for election but rather politics should have just been the means to Increase our Civilization. That's why people like J Sai Deepak, Meenakshi Mam, Anuj Dhar , Vikram Sampath , Sanjay Dixit sir , Anand Ranganathan sir ,Keonard Elst , Acharya Prashant,. Pt. Satish Sharma and many more across Bharat across different fields r so impt.
This rising chunk r people r putting their life on line for the Bharat Civilization and not for mere politics !!!! The rise of these people will ensure that thousands more will be inspired to take up the. Cause of Dharma !!!!
Jai. hind !! Jai Shree Ram !!
India was great..
But what is India now
Yes we are vice president of US
Misnisters in UK
And we young want to leve to forign ASAP
.. This is nothing but a nation of brave people fighting each other like Idiots
Speeaking and thinking and writing history , belive in Bollywood kind of stories and worship...
But what is in India now, in Tech, science.... It sucks...
Please don't reduce the serious CIVILIZATIONAL HINDU ISSUES to only BJP RSS thing - J Sai Deepak
And personally I do have a problem with BJP for it hasn't freed Hindu Temples for Last seven years and hasn't yet gave Hindu Institutions equal rights to open Gurukul when all other have all shorts of rights including Converting innocent Hindu !!!
Yes it's true BJP is the only hope but it must be questioned for looting thousands of Crores of Hindu Temples and funding hundreds of crores on Hajj and thousands of Crores on Muslims Scholarship and Appeasement in the name of Secularism . During Election they become the champion of Hindutva but after winning u start following Anti-Hindu Laws. When r u going to repeal them. Our CIVILIZATIONAL is a just a step away from dying !!!!
@@bharatam3850 true
True
Hindus wont even exist in another 50-60 years
J Sai Deepak pointed out the mistakes and fleshed out the facts, especially when Islamic invasion horrors are downplayed and hided.
Ali was quick to fish out his victim card. He belongs to those category of people who react as soon as anyone says anything against a Muslim, even if that Muslim is Aurangzeb and his ilk. He talks very smoothly with a slight British accent - and I can see how naive people can get influenced by him. Then there's the typical apologia where he mentions some Muslim donated money to temples.
Ali was basically blabbering because he had no legs to stand on after the powerful factful points of Meenakshi ji and J Sai Deepak
He is the one who save the terrorists by saying that terrorism has no religion. But he will never ask Islamic fundamentalist
facts and history are against him, so no matter how well-educated he is, he cannot truly be authentic to the topic at hand.
@@shreya446 agreed but nothing from this video says he's educated. He wasn't able to fundamentally understand the questions at hand
@@architjain30 agreed but then again, severe bias comes at play here. we have to understand that no matter how rational people are, religion comes forth and makes them foolish and emotional. it is not that he cannot understand the question, he simply doesn't want to.
When the whole of UP's rural commoners are saying that UP is getting 20 hours of power/day, only a frustrated Muslim like Dr Ali would want us to believe that he still lives in the colonized Uttar Pradesh where there is still darkness. This in a forum which is discussing Decolonizing Indin History.
He was probably in this debate in the 4 hours when there was no electricity..
So that he can crib about it🤣🤣🤣🤣
The real question is who asked him about the electricity at all. UP is having 80% better electricity than what used to be in Samajvadi Parti era. I can't say 100% cause we still having electricity failure due to uninterrupted power supply but electricity shortage has been reduced significantly since 2019 a lot.
And the per unit price has been slashed to halves.
The moment Ali says Geeta is about war and compares it with Quran, the headshake Sai gives is hilarious. He is like, dude you know nothing, why did we even get him here. 🤣🤣
Gita is about Dharm Yudh, not about unprovoked aggression against Kafirs.
@@keithhunt5328actually Gita is not about dharam yug also , it more like self awareness self guide book , for Arjun ( it duty ) is to fight holy war / dharam yud
There are NO power cuts in rural UP during the whole program/event . Good.
Tr.Ali has an agenda.......
He was simply trying his best to show it as negative. Wonder if he would say samw for his ideology leader state
Also establishing a safety blanket.... should Anandji take the 30 secs he can drop off and blame it on the "power situation "... industries coming to UP and UP has power cuts... bwahahahahha... "r u the joking to me..."
I mean, if the power cuts were that frequent (or whatever he tried to show to the audience), then wouldn't that be pulling you to actually be present there, offline?
Or was he just trying to hide behind a screen to save face...?
25:49 Meenakshi Jain
By 18th century there was no Hindu temples left in North India.
When Mughal empire was on decline and Marthas were on rise, leading Ulema of Delhi wrote to Afghan King to invade India
Some hindu temple were only left
@@sakshatkarandikar889
which some ??
Example Sri Kaashi kshetra 🤔 ⁉️
on renovation we find the Parikrama area had to hidden by constructing houses and shops and other structures for ages‼️these that now like encroachment ⁉️
Well that's true, we have still many ancient temples in South of India for which we can boost about but all North Indian temples were literally in ruins by that times, and mosques were raised over foundation of razed temples..
Now we are sending help to Afgan talibans. How interesting.
@@forestmonk5370
Heyy Bhagavaan
Get that Raakshasaguru 's self to be satisfied , fulfilled .
We all have been patience , put-up with whatever , also been moorkha , idiotically stupid 🙄 stupidly idiotic . There's huge prayer आर्त रोधन for Saraswati Devi presence from each of tiny population of few of us . May our mind be alright . May our actions be alright .
Shame on me on having bought the books of these two geniuses but haven’t been able to get to reading it. What a reminder to get back into serious reading.
😂
Ha ha..I didn't even know they existed... But now i certainly will try and read it
I feel so sorry for students of Ashoka, who spend lacs and lacs to be taught by someone who does nothing but digress, lacks courage, cannot call a spade a spade, who cannot even agree on expanding the definition of deconolising simply because he is from a 'religion' which has remained a significant part of destruction and colonising India. I'm from LSR, DU, and Mr. ALI reminds me of my english professors, full of shitty truths, no facts and teaching us convoluted, factually incorrect, horribly left opinions about our history! Shame!
That's why I say, there is nothing called moderate Muslims. They all live and die for the sake of expansion of Islam and brotherhood among Muslims around the world i.e called ummah. That's why we see protest in different parts of India for Palestine and Rohingya Muslims.
@@prakashtiwari8003 Absolutely. When our brethren were horrified in Kashmir by the words "Raliv, Galiv ya Chaliv" - no "terrorist groups" or "paid militants" took part in looting, raping, murdering, or destroying homes and taking over our Hindu bhai-behen's livelihoods. They were our next-door-neighbours- who-shared-sevaiyan-with-us-seconds-ago at the orders of a Loudspeaker from a Mosque! Where is the moderation??SHAMELESSNESS AND LIES!!!!
@@vidushichhabra3912 true taei -sahab (the way we respect a lady in Maharashtra) ... I fully support what you say but one question (I believe in one thing this land (Bharat) breeds seekers !! Sadguru also says it ) tell me one thing would we be any different if you and I were born in a Muslim household ?? perhaps not !! its the ideology that is the crux of this issue aint it ! ... food for mind .......I do believe Bhagwad Gita is a manual for mankind and so it should include Muslims too !! isnt ??
@@prashantkadam8051 And how do you plan on preaching Geeta to muslims? Be careful while you are at it xd. And why did you assume Geeta excludes muslims, Christians etc. and therefore they have to be included? It applies to all equally just like any natural phenomena.
For the hypothetical scenario of a non muslim being born in a muslim family, firstly, one should be glad that they weren't born in a desert cult that hinders with culture of India, secondly, even if I was born a muslim I hope to have gained some rationality to recognise its true nature and see for what it truly is and leave it.
Sympathizer of Jihadis found - Mr. Ali..good to bring such jokers like Pappu so that we see their real cult selves.. No match to Meenakshi ji n Sai Deepak ji..
India faced two waves of colonisation as explicitly said by Jai Sai Dipak, one from the invading Muslims and then from the English. The discussion shall be on both waves when we talk about decolonisation!
U forgot 3rd wave which Sai Deepak highlights
Nehruvian Marxist Colonisers
@@bharatam3850 you are correct, I forgot.
I guess, we gotta make it 3. Till 47, atleast people knew the enemy they were fighting. 2nd wave of colonialism injected bigotry into our education & institutionalized eurocentric worldview. Elite loyalists of BI, successfully captured that space & continued the same bigotry. Sometimes, the new masters were more aggressive towards ethnics than abrahamics.
@@RajKGajjela yes, you are absolutely correct.
@@bharatam3850 you forget the current wave how the former colonists infect India with fascestic "virus" rules, its in plain sight,
how to pull out its roots?
Dr Ali I apologise in advance but it looks like Rural UP doesnt have any electricity flunctuations.
Exactly, peaceful came straight with his propaganda
Yogi promised 18 hours of electricity for rural UP. Now we are getting around 14-15 hrs of electricity but we have to pay more.
Ps: during SP time we used to get 6 hours of electricity max 🙂
@@sushantpandey897 there is no free lunch... You pay what you get.
@@sushantpandey897 seems you are happy to go back to 6 hours so you don't have to pay more.
What a splendid debate and j sai Deepak, what a man he is.
Sai Deepak is a real gem.
Two questions that come to mind regarding Dr Ali. If a photo is not a sample then can one family's history be a sample?
Who 'trains' historians? The Left, the Right, or the Centre?
Listeners of the above discussion please judge yourself who has been objective in their approach to the subject of the discussion thanks
Please i would like to know your views on these questions
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Fantastic, informative and educational and Kudos to the 3 panelist.
This Muslim guy is beyond his depth and simply peddling SIN ( Standard Islamic Narrative) taught to him in madrassas and mosques.
This video should go viral.
Every proud Hindu should watch this video not once but many times to digest what Islamic doctrine , ideology and imposition is all about.
Thank you.
Absolutely agree
SIN 😃😃
Hope present government takes cognizance of this and rewrite correct history books so that our young generation is aware of Bharat's rich cultural, traditional heritage 🙏
Sai Deepak said some very ENLIGHTENing words on govt , political outlook too .
Why this needs to be from people /citizens of Bharath
When it is out there wishing people on St. Xavier's day, ignoring murders of Hindus and not even tweeting in favour of Vikram Sampath when he is charged with fake plagiarism case, expecting such a radical change is surely far fetched wish or even a shitty piped dream I might add.
When I was a high schooler I had the opportunity to read slightly about Dr. Bhagwan Singh and his theory challenging the Aryan Invasion Theory. In a snippet in the famous Children's magazine Chandamama I got to know about Dr. Bhagwan Singh and his claim. I as kid was in dilemma and was looking for more information about that. But no library within my reach could provide either anything about Dr. Singh or this claims. He was pushed to forgetfulness....
And bruh look now, we have plenty to splendid and Astonishing researchs which debunked this theory also Maj Gen hd Bakshi book about saraswati civilization also an eye opening book.
@@frost6471 ya! Though ita a bit late, truth is oozing out. Dr. Singh's famous debate also is available online. Moreover several scholars have mercilessly smashed the fictional history writers.
@@frost6471 pretty sure that’s not how you use “bruh” in a sentence. Maybe stop trying to be something you’re not?
@@musicworship4520
found fault in Sentence-structure ! happy ? !
Now find fault others
Good habits are developed .
Finding fault should leads to education , knowledge - building in the fault-finder .
Thrive oh Bharathi
@@musicworship4520 seems like i didn't mention your name in that comment, so please don't bother to reply it wouldn't matter in any sense. Btw what's with you people focusing on specific words in a sentence rather than understanding it's appropriate sense.
The thing I love about Indic people is that they invite competent guests from the left and give fair amount of time for them to state their points. You will never have this in the left. They won't invite guests like Sai Deepak or many others because they know these people will take away the spotlight and doesn't give fair amount of time to the other side. The moment they know their narrative is at threat they interrupt guests and divert the subject or bring whatboutism and move on to the other guests. Great discussion loved it. All three guests raised some great points including Anand Ranganathan who actually gave more time to Ali Khan than the other two which is interesting.
It was waste to invite ali, we all know the facts bout jehadis. We really dont need their confirmation. There are plenty of evidence and facts loitered by mullahs themselves in their books loud n clear.
And when push comes to shove, when even whataboutism loses all its credence, they descend on the streets. The game is much larger than the state apparatus can even begin to conceive.
Ali is a “political” scientist
Watching from tthe Philippines...the critique about Islam is on point. It is the same problem in the West and other Asian majority islam countries. Islam appears to have no mechanism for self-critique.
Well said
Self critique 😂. It never happens
One thing i have observed with non Indic Historians is that they mostly talk about philosophy if history and all such fancy ideas.where as Indic historians just talk about facts.
Sai Deepak. The way he dwells into documentary facts and for his outspoken audacity, he should be provided with Z security by the Govt
Bad sound quality..for such a great conversation
Absolutely brilliant! We’re truly blessed to have Indic Scholars like J Sai Deepak🙏🏽
J Sai Deepak is excellent as always 🙏🏻
Geeta talks about war with an evil mentality. This war is for people. Not only Bhagavadgita, all our religious books never encourage discrimination against anyone.
Any fault Is there that belongs to people, not our books.
Quran talks about war with kafirs.
Ali must know about geeta.
Same with the Christians too.
@Vi K can you show one instance in recent or old times were one is killed for not accepting the BG and tell us how many such instances have happened in the case of the Qur'an.
Blaming people for the problems that is attached with a fundamentals of a belief system based on book, people will question and compare.
The fundamentalists can be spared but not the fundamentals.
Aurangzeb is ruler like any other 😂😂, these peaceful people will never change.
Ye kabhi nahi Suthar sakte
@32:14 - Mr. Ali is probably thinking.... There are 3 Hindus and 1 muslim in the discussion. So the muslim panelist should get 3x more time to speak. Or else India is not secular, India is majoritarian. This is hindutva ideology etc etc.... 😁.
PS - this is a joke, pls don't take it to heart.
Wow! I am just amazed at the depth of knowledge Sai has on Islamic history in India. He can easily crush any leftist or Muslim intellectual in a debate with his facts. It was a wonderful discussion, as usual Anand moderated very well and Meenakshi Ji gave important facts about the lies in history writing by the left.
If people have listened to Osho he rightly compares each societies like middle eastern ,west and east. The truth is bharat especially is more consiouslly evolved then the present west and middle east .west(Christian society) is a little ahead of middle - east(Muslim society) in terms of consciousness development.There is absolutely no doubt the hindustan is more consiouslly developed .as Osho said ,"Just look at the people being enlightened in this land 🙏"
BJP has failed the Hindus. We need to rise independent of any political party.
Till we dont have alternate, its BJP we need to choose. Congress cannot be given power anymore.they would wipe out us in single term
To change something...there is a need of power... & Bjp didn't failed us...we are failed because of ignorance of the reality & castism
@@basicinformations7102 21:00 please who are the names he says alongside Jinnah and Hertzl
Why don't you form a new political party??
Facts ...BJP is a secular bullshit party
All kinds of Taquiya put forward by Mr. Ali. Facts are missing, call to emotion is all he is trained for. Sophisticated dishonesty,
Exactly bruh, that fella just quoating emotional BS in front of concrete facts
I skipped all of his parts...only way to get through this talk.
He is trained to do so in the imambargah majalis he has been attending since childhood as a twelver taqlidi shia. His mother Vijaya Khan is the daughter of udaipur's jagat sing mehta. His paternal grandmother kaneez abid NEVER allowed Vijaya to TOUCH the sacred ALAM of their imambargah, which you see in every Muharram in every Shiite areas in processions & majalis. Reason -- Vijaya comes from a HINDU family ! But Vijaya continued to take care of all their religious rituals and customs as the d in law & "Rani".
It is roaming around with only hypocritical statements of twisting the truth.mr ali History written by the Left is being repeated again by you are and same as you.
@@musicworship4520 Exactly. I knew beforehand about what he was going to say for proving himself in which he failed miserably.
A movie should be made on this information
For us Indians
You said Ali is from LKO , but he is saying he’s speaking from rural UP where there is a scarce power problem . Is it a deliberate statement as UP is going in polls ?
I felt the same...in 2016 probably he wouldn't be able to attend it from there..he should be grateful now 😂
Also he directly jumped into hindu muslim instead of colonial history.
He is from UP pappu's party
Interesting and thought provoking discussion.
Brilliant super-interesting illuminating discussion, pushing the boundaries of our thoughts about History, India & religions. Thank you! We need more of these please!!
It's hard to respect scholars like Dr. Ali Khan who are intentionally vague, talk of irrelevant, anomalous events and of shallow philosophical arguments instead to staying true to the historical method of accepting facts and being objective. I've noticed this weird trend among 'trained historians' to forget all their objectivity when discussing anout Is lam, as if they're obliged to defend this regress ive religion to death against the face of all facts. I have noticed this trend not only in Indian academic historians but also in western academic historians who write on classical history in Quora.
i pity his students.
They will never accept that's why asmani kitab first then Dr
Exactly.... Beating about the bush...
Brilliantly written. 👍
Very interesting discussion. Always a pleasure to hear Dr. Ranganathan, Meenakshiji and JSDeepak. Personally I think the narrative needs to come from the people - independent researchers and scholars and NOT the govt. Surely we all agree that govt controlled narratives can be misused as in the past. Today we have a govt with a sympathetic attitude but what if that changes again in the future. If we build our own body of research then at least the narrative will be honest and fair. After all history is about people and not an elite group - political or academic.
Sai Deepakji you are super arguer. Unmatched knowledge with facts.I admire always
Debater is the right word.
An absolute civilised discussion. What an insight of each panel members. Loved it.
Very true Ali. Aurangazeb was a bad muslim for he killed his father brother etc( fellow MUSLIMS).
Not a mention of his barbarism to the non muz.
The notion of a good muz comes from the killing of non muz.
To be honest, this point is a bit irrelevant - Aurangzeb is hated because of his reasons of conquest, he vowed (via letters) “to end the infidels within their own homes” (have paraphrased a bit but the theme is extremely similar). Islam is judged on lack of acceptance or even tolerance - there’s a reason Muslim-majority areas have infinetimissally small minorities. Hence Aurangzeb being judged on killing his family is quite literally irrelevant when you consider he considered it his divine calling to exterminate every last Hindu.
Ye khud hi apni pol khol dete hain...
most satishfying discussion with real intellects and comprehensive knowledge ever seen on any debate. @saideepak you are a machine gun with automatic mode for lutyens historions. pls accept my ramram.
True 👍
Power house of knowledge and history in action. Hats off to Sai Deepak ji and Dr. Ranganathan ji. God bless you!
Ali speaks well but in the end, his grandfather was Muslim League's financier lekin yeh gaye nahi uss paar. With J Sai Deepak, the best part is a 'south Indian' is leading this charge and a intellectual renaissance of what is essentially north and central Indian history.
Stop this south north nonsense
such a davido delusionist
Great discussions and civilized debate. But for the title every thing else is great. One better title could be " should we limit de-colonization to British era".
I will be happy that these recordings are brought out in a form of book. I am 86, till this day I was not aware of facts mentioned. If there is a well documented book I shall purchase it.
Brilliant discussion. Brings to the fore the faultlines in telling of our past. All three made pertinent points.
Audrey, probably Romila and Irfan Habib are also trained histrorians. Noone is fooled by that training argument.
Thanks for uploading complete video.
Only amazing respect for the obvious speakers having the well being of Bharat as the goal of their pursuit. 🙏
Amazing Discussion, only gripe, why it ended so early. Even after one hour, feels like this only started.
Such an interesting eye opening topic, we feel like daft on our beliefs through what we've learned from our textbooks and what it actually is.
Wish existing and next generation don't have to learn false and grossly misrepresented history anymore, more power to these individuals on their herculean task of decolonization our history.
I see a revolutionary change in the general consciousness of the masses.
Thank you Arth for organisation this and many more discussions!
I skipped Alis part bcz I did not want to waste my time
You are definitely smart cause I wasted mine 😂
Menakshi mam is reservoir of knowledge.
Brilliant discussion. I am delighted to see such a great gathering for open discussion.
That was a heartening debate. Sensible people from all communities should face the past so that we can move freely into the future.
Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant panel discussion which is informative and educational values. It is a treat that both Dr Anand Ranganathan and Dr Sai Deepak are in the distinguished panel. Thanks 🙏
The man ..the machine..the demolisher..J Sai...senior your great sir ji...🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Deepak,
Bharatha Maatha will be with you and dynasty for as long as the humanity survives….
Anand sir and Deepak sir is doing great job.....we Hindus must be aware of true history which is not teach in schools.
Whenever one say, "I am trained historian"; one would deduce that that person is out of arguments and logic.
Ahh was waiting for this video 😍
Ahhh!! Was waiting for this for so long. Used to re-watch previous year's sessions.
Amazing and informative 👏👏
Thanks arth festival for arranging this programme ❤️
Caste is a Colonial construct. Caste system was a predominant system of European system that they shamelessly attributed to Asian societies.
Caste system (which did not allow social mobility) was created by Lord Risley (a British Christian Missionary) in the 19th century. He morphed ancient and flexible jathis (occupational groups which allowed social mobility) and 4 varnas (colors of character of a person shaped by past karma or cause and effect not birth family) and classified people based on race science (nose size and head shape). The same race science was later used in Africa by colonialists which led to Rwandan genocide.
Other countries also have surnames based on occupations eg
Smith,
Potter,
Cooper,
Mason,
Tailor or Taylor,
Spinner,
Weaver (Webb was another word for a weaver,
a webster was usually a female weaver),
Dyer,
Thatcher,
Tyler,
Slater,
Miller,
Baker,
Cheeseman,
Spicer,
Cook,
Fisher,
Shepherd,
Carter,
Clarke,
Skinner
Gardener etc
True, hence we did not marry outside our caste since 1500 years, as DNA data shows.
@@sohamkumar4757 please read before u show ur ignorance and malice.... there are documented inter caste marriages in Mahabharat itself
@@MS-ov9sv Mahabharat is much older than 1500 years, it does not disprove his point. AIM and Kushal Mehra (and mainly Razib Khan) have already cited DNA studies that show an ossification of caste, particularly during the reign of Harshavardhana.
@@MS-ov9sv Yes, there are in fact till Gautama Dharma Shastra, the predecessor of Manav Dharma Shastra (alias Manusmriti), there are mentions of social mobility, but can you negate the DNA data of caste endogamy?
Also, how does mention of ICM in 500 year old Mahabharat negate my point?
@@sohamkumar4757 There is actually not enough "full genomic sequencing" to unravel the genetic landscape of India. 23andme does not do "full genomic sequencing", rather they do a process called "genotyping" which is a shortcut method that considers less than 1% of the human genome. The 23andme site explains very clearly that what they are doing is not "sequencing" but "genotyping". Hence, inferring that Indians did not intermarry outside caste from incomplete "genotyping" processes is too premature a conclusion that just follows the predominant colonial construct. The cost of full genomic sequencing for a single individual used to be a billion dollars 20 years ago. This has dropped to less than 1000 dollars and is set to go below 100 dollars. The Govt. of India should collect data full-genomic-sampling of atleast 100 million individuals to set aside this caste myth aside once and for all.
Mr Ali cannot talk straightforward, rather he will go on and on about some obscure philosophical rattling so that he can save himself from being confronted by hard historical facts about his own community.
Very happy to see eminent panelists taking up vital issue. They should come as often as possible on national channels. Jai Hind !🇮🇳
Such a brilliant conversation. I never liked history while growing up in schools,just coz I could never connect the dots and it was just limited to mug up the names n events with no sequence. Kudos to scholars like Sai Deepak, Anand and Meenakshi ma'am for enlightening us with facts and confidence with which Sai Deepak Sir says he can present the truth citing evidences. Huge respect to their intense research and work on this. High time , ruling party of so called the savers of Hindu culture/ hindutva do somethin to make this a reality of including them in the school texts. Jai hind. Jai bharat.
10:39 So he starts off by saying that decolonisation should be done by "people trained in methodologies of history and other social science disciplines", and then goes on to assert multiple times that it shouldn't be the state doing it but rather the common people themselves. Both(the social science academia and the state) are much bigger entities who will be positing(or imposing) their view/version/method onto the people.
Therefore, it basically boils down to "no you guys are not allowed to do it, we have the authority, we will be the ones doing it". And then also considering it was a strawman to suggest that anyone was suggesting the state to do it in the first place, he is literally opposing the common individuals and their ability and authority for decolonisation, and grabbing the authority for his small closed elitist aristocratic cabal of social scientists and historians.
Its the deliberate conflation of any and all non-marxist and outside(to this cabal) entities and voices with the state and with the worst forms of nationalism(which was also clearly evident with his fallacious and simplistic reductions to "nationalism" multiple times).
One word to describe this Ali guy is Taqaiya. This guy redefines it more apparently.
Fantastic, they brought Anand Ranganathan, Meenakshi Jain and Sai Deepak together.
Eye opening discussion . There is an urgent need to teach all the facts of history from school onwards so that one is able to analyse the present events with correct perspective.
Thanks Arth for inviting such Stalwarts for 21st gen audience.
Brilliant intellectual discussion!!! Can I ask Dr Ranganathan to include in this time travel (indeed right minded)evolutionary biologists and theologists from two major sects Shavaism and Vaishnavism to decode what has been said about human and life origins. That would lead to a meaningful insight about science and philosophy of human birth and existence
I loved all the speakers and of course, we can’t forget the moderator ! Great discussion! :)
Kudos to this open discussion..wow hats off J Sai Deepak..for opening it threadbare
Mr. Ali is the living example of what sai said about Jinnah that even though he dressed modern the mentality of being extremist Islamist was there.
Dr. Ali doing taqaiya straight up
Yes ikr...thats what every Muslim does...
Brilliant 👏 total eye opening. Take a bow 🙏
J sai by just one debate i watched earlier flipped my mind upside down and changed my south pole to north pole. That's the kind of impact he has on me by just one speech one lecture
I don't agree with Ali but respect to him for his polite behavior.
Al Taqqiya
🙏 so releiving to know my belief system is being looked into and studied by the knowledgeable Bharatiya .
Yesss
A Belief - system that leads to Freedom
Ohh so much is required in this gross= लौकिक world . Hey Bhagavaan
The problem is that in schools, History is taught side by side physics and mathematics. History is a incomplete, tentative picture whereas physics and mathematics is complete and firm. The pupil takes all as final word.
we need lot of such sessions
J sai deepak sir as always amazing.. full of facts.