We're In The Middle Of A Massive Redistribution Revolution That's Destroying Growth | Dr. Art Laffer

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  • Опубликовано: 18 июн 2024
  • Dr. Art Laffer, one of the most influential economists of the past half-century, joins Julia La Roche for episode 154.
    Dr. Laffer is the founder and chairman of Laffer Associates, an economic research and consulting firm. Known as the "Father of Supply Economics," he is famous for developing the Laffer Curve, a representation of the relationship between tax rates and tax revenue that was foundational to supply-side economics.
    Dr. Laffer served as a member of President Reagan's Economic Policy Advisory Board for both of Reagan's terms.
    In our wide-ranging discussion, Dr. Laffer shares his insights on the current state of the U.S. and global economy, fiscal and monetary policy, and his outlook for the future.
    Links:
    www.amazon.com/Taxes-Have-Con...
    Timestamps:
    00:00 Introduction and Overview
    01:08 The Five Pillars of Prosperity
    11:13 Factors Leading to the Current Situation
    26:08 Addressing Incentives in Politics
    30:41 The Flawed Logic of Stimulus Spending
    35:17 The Fallacy of Redistribution
    37:38 The Impact of Tariffs and Trade Policies
    38:04 The Lack of Economic Understanding Among Professional Economists
    39:02 The Laffer Curve and Tax Rates
    40:19 The Role of Private Money in the Economy
    44:34 The Possibility of a Low, Broad-Based Flat Tax Rate
    50:25 The Failure of Government-Controlled Money
    54:30 Assessment of the Federal Reserve and Monetary Policy
    57:23 The Importance of Economic Principles over Political Labels
    01:01:50 Future Topics: Medical Transparency, Debt, Enterprise Zones, and Climate Change
    #economy #economics #bitcoin

Комментарии • 210

  • @TheJuliaLaRocheShow
    @TheJuliaLaRocheShow  3 месяца назад +18

    Hey everyone! I hope you enjoy this episode featuring Dr. Art Laffer. Please join me in the comments section with your feedback. Also, let me know who you'd like to see on the show this spring. If you haven't done so, please hit the subscribe button. Thank you for your support. 💙Julia

    • @ronchandler8799
      @ronchandler8799 3 месяца назад

      “Trickle down” is a pejorative invented by opponents of his ideas, which is usually what happens when you don’t have an objective, fact-based argument….

    • @sanchessimoes169
      @sanchessimoes169 2 месяца назад


      9

  • @Resmith18SR
    @Resmith18SR 3 месяца назад +20

    I really think regardless of your political affiliation that Art Laffer has a POV that is valid and should be debated.

  • @Tim29737
    @Tim29737 3 месяца назад +14

    This talk deserves multiple thumb ups

  • @dustinhartlyn
    @dustinhartlyn 3 месяца назад +21

    Definitely do a series with this professor!

  • @jaylinn416
    @jaylinn416 3 месяца назад +19

    One of the most important interviews of this year. Actually of this decade!

    • @acornsucks2111
      @acornsucks2111 2 месяца назад

      He has a real grasp for the obvious.

  • @fritzprints7182
    @fritzprints7182 3 месяца назад +19

    Hardly boring… clear, organized analysis is downright exciting. Art gives me hope

  • @fubarbrandon1345
    @fubarbrandon1345 3 месяца назад +21

    Excellent guest and interview...thanks so much.

  • @Th3_Hoff
    @Th3_Hoff 2 месяца назад +1

    What an amazing interview. I love how you let your guests speak without interrupting.

  • @GlendaMixer-jz7vc
    @GlendaMixer-jz7vc 3 месяца назад +7

    AMAZING interview. Plz have him on again. Love this. We felt like we were in history class. This is a REWATCH

  • @user-vy2qp7nb3b
    @user-vy2qp7nb3b 2 месяца назад +3

    Wow! This guy is amazing. Love he has the guts to call people out. He’s so genuinely honest, with no filters, that’s awesome. Wish every interviewee is as forthcoming, open and unfiltered as Art Laffer.
    Looking forward to your future interviews with him, as he is so eagerly offering and willing to do. And would love to view the debates he wants to have with his peers. Hopefully you’ll be able to pull those off.
    So glad to hear you’re going to have on Cathie Wood, as I follow her closely. Can you please have as a guest Ric Edelman? As he’s extremely knowledgeable with securing retirement, growing wealth, reducing debt, and all other matters regarding money.
    Thanks for the great job Julia.

  • @michaelfelli7661
    @michaelfelli7661 3 месяца назад +14

    Art Laffer forgets ...
    1) S&L scandal bailout
    2) LTCM Hedge Fund bailout
    3) TARP bailout
    4) BTFP bailout
    No. Let's talk student loan bailouts. 😂😂😂

    • @KK-pm7ud
      @KK-pm7ud 3 месяца назад +6

      Student loans isn't a bail out. It is the decision to allow people to not pay their bills when they can and should pay them as promised.

    • @michaelfelli7661
      @michaelfelli7661 3 месяца назад

      @KK-pm7ud
      Sure thing, Professor. Any other dvmb things you wanna share?!?

    • @KK-pm7ud
      @KK-pm7ud 3 месяца назад +1

      @@michaelfelli7661 No. You have shown yourself to be who I thought you to be.

    • @michaelfelli7661
      @michaelfelli7661 3 месяца назад

      @@KK-pm7ud
      Yeah. Smarter than you.
      On April 9, 2020, the FED purchased $2.3 TRILLION of Junk Bonds from dogsh1t companies.
      Tell me again, Professor, why they can't buy student loan debt? Go ahead, Professor. Humor me.

    • @user-xg6yc8ho3w
      @user-xg6yc8ho3w 2 месяца назад +1

      The other thing is, the gov/Fed DOES create money out of thin air. They print when they want to. The $600 given to a man example he used COULD just come straight from government printing, rather than taking that $600 from someone else.

  • @johnj1694
    @johnj1694 3 месяца назад +8

    Julia Fabulous Interview!! Art another favorite of mine!! I really enjoy Arts economic fundamental critique and analysis. Arts 5 pillars of prosperity realistic point. Then he has the other 5 points to move to solving the problem. Your follow up question how did we get here brings perspective. Refreshing interview. A good question or topic would be- what does the American plan look like to pay down the 34 trillion? What does the constitutional budget look like line by line? I would think we need a 10-20 30 year plan. Art would be for sure one of say 3 people to lay out the plan. Art says he would like to debate. Unfortunately spenders are hard to talk with. Especially Arts Transfer discussion and facts. It would be nice but there needs to be a constitutional solution workshop that would also have to include the Dollar back to the gold std ,the Fed etc. And not to get long winded but real production of products and industry in the USA. Todays interview really strikes me and gets my organizational mind mapping out the constitutional solution to move back to basics of the USA. Thanks again for the interviews and your channel. Refreshing!!

  • @4000angels
    @4000angels 2 месяца назад +4

    This was such an AWESOME interview. One of the best I've listened to in a long time. I learned so much! Thank you!!

  • @robbiejones5407
    @robbiejones5407 3 месяца назад +7

    Julia please setup the additional interviews with Dr. Laffer. Thanks

  • @Seer645
    @Seer645 3 месяца назад +4

    Sadly the USA was transformed during WW2 to a permanent Industrial-Militaty- Congressional Complex which requires permanent conflict to support its existence. Col. Fletcher Prouty stated in 1945 1/2 of the arms on Okinawa went to Korea and the other 1/2 to Vietnam, Coincidence? I think not.

  • @TheWealthandhealth
    @TheWealthandhealth 3 месяца назад +10

    Great interview with a real economic guru

  • @freeroamer9146
    @freeroamer9146 2 месяца назад +4

    What an impressive man. We need more like him! 👍

  • @rickbogden4626
    @rickbogden4626 2 месяца назад +1

    Yes do the other podcasts. I have listened to him for years but this his best. Thank you for letting him talk uninterrupted. It was very informative.

  • @joelbiju3628
    @joelbiju3628 3 месяца назад +8

    Excellent guest !

  • @barbaraatkinson2204
    @barbaraatkinson2204 Месяц назад

    So wonderful to hear someone with some common sense and some great policy’s that would strengthen America with solid solutions.thanks Julia

  • @Zanzan8
    @Zanzan8 3 месяца назад +13

    Very good topic and interview

  • @junkscience6397
    @junkscience6397 2 месяца назад +1

    What a great (extended!) interview, Ms. LaRoche. Dr. Laffer is from an innocent and unified America that in many ways, doesn't exist anymore, sadly. But his economic ideas are eternal, and work everywhere, always if allowed to do so! Thanks for the content.

  • @minnesotasalamander5913
    @minnesotasalamander5913 3 месяца назад +7

    I vote we have him back.

  • @Erikpdx
    @Erikpdx 2 месяца назад +1

    One reason distribution doesnt necesarily lead to less income is people need a certain amount of resources and security to work at their highest efficiency. They need to be healthy, for example. Keeping your population sick and weak doesnt give you higher productivity because you think they are incentivized. On top of being physically unable they are demoralized. Parents that cant afford day care arent going to be optimal workers if one has to stay with the children. We redistribute wealth because it actually benefits society to make sure these services are distributed. Education is another obvious example

  • @ibukunoluwaeweje6655
    @ibukunoluwaeweje6655 3 месяца назад +3

    This was an amazing episode. Art Laffer is a very educational and entertaining guest 😂

  • @stevekuxhausen7981
    @stevekuxhausen7981 Месяц назад

    Fantastic comments about the other economists and redistributionists!! Art is 100% correct. I hope he is advising the next administration to correct the current malaise.

  • @stopmo01
    @stopmo01 Месяц назад

    On another of his podcasts he mentioned he would love to do an interview on property tax. One of the few people I love to listen to on the economy.

  • @heehong127
    @heehong127 2 месяца назад +2

    Thanks for sharing. Matthew 25:14-30 Parable of the talents confirms the saying “Heaven helps for those who help themselves”.

  • @davidkim8133
    @davidkim8133 3 месяца назад +2

    I don't agree with all the statements made by Dr. Laffer but I do follow his arguments. And he makes some strong arguments!

  • @lsheets1
    @lsheets1 2 месяца назад

    One of the most approachable/understandable economists since Milton Friedman.

  • @timsprong1490
    @timsprong1490 2 месяца назад +1

    There is a value for free trade, and it is important that it be recognized for clear analysis of the goods and services traded internationally.

  • @paulkelly2618
    @paulkelly2618 2 месяца назад

    I've just started listening to your guest over the past couple of months. I really benefit from his point of view

  • @0mar9
    @0mar9 3 месяца назад +6

    Great guest

  • @maxiewex1496
    @maxiewex1496 Месяц назад

    Wow! Of the best podcasts on the economy I have ever heard. Well done!

  • @arturl7583
    @arturl7583 2 месяца назад +1

    Big bravo for another interesting guest, Julia! As well as for the class of true applied economics!

  • @alfixen
    @alfixen Месяц назад

    One of the most excellent guests you had ever on.

  • @Resmith18SR
    @Resmith18SR 3 месяца назад +2

    I found it really funny when he said that former President Clinton was a creepy person, but very good on economics. I actually liked Clinton's personality, his intelligence, and his ability to connect with the average American and speak extemporaneously.

  • @davidmckenzie4515
    @davidmckenzie4515 2 месяца назад +1

    I really liked him I didn't think I would but he is right on

  • @robbhoren2304
    @robbhoren2304 2 месяца назад +1

    This was absolutely fantastic. Such a great guest and I took so much away from the conversation. Thank you!🙏🏼

  • @BrianHeimbuecher
    @BrianHeimbuecher 3 месяца назад +1

    I have lots of respect for Dr. Laffer. I got a kick out of Charles Payne congratulating/ribbing him earlier this week on being on a short list of Fed chairs should Trump get elected. Thank you both for the interview!

    • @TheJuliaLaRocheShow
      @TheJuliaLaRocheShow  3 месяца назад

      I asked what he'd do if he were Fed Chair toward the end 😊

  • @GerryCrews
    @GerryCrews 2 месяца назад

    Julie, you discussed with Dr. Laffer a future show with him and a liberal economist. I would love to see that discussion cover the fallacies of MMT.

  • @sheevamatimbas4300
    @sheevamatimbas4300 2 месяца назад +1

    The Econ 101 masterclass ❤😊

  • @stickySituations415
    @stickySituations415 2 месяца назад +1

    🎉🎉🎉
    Thank you Mr. Laffer ! Amazing content!!! We want moreeeèe

  • @markrand652
    @markrand652 2 месяца назад +1

    Look forward to the next video. I would love to be able to submit questions to the points or premises I don't either understand completely, or disagree with; as a teacher I'm sure he would be happy to teach. Maybe a link provided to answer when he has time, or if even reasonable to answer. (hopefully there would be enough serious questions of those truly wanting to educate themselves) I've admired his work since he was in the Reagan Admin.

  • @nataliablumke5608
    @nataliablumke5608 2 месяца назад +1

    Great interview !

  • @olliehourt4999
    @olliehourt4999 3 месяца назад +3

    Strong work Julia!! Love your podcast

  • @timmoore8663
    @timmoore8663 2 месяца назад +1

    One of the sessions I’ve seen in quite awhile! Thank you!

  • @user-nq2no8id4s
    @user-nq2no8id4s 3 месяца назад +3

    Great job Julia!

  • @gregory203
    @gregory203 2 месяца назад +1

    What a bright and wonderful man. Great interview.

  • @peterdikeakos8114
    @peterdikeakos8114 2 месяца назад

    Dr. Laffer is a great economist and I believe in the Flat Tax plus.....in my Luxuries Tax because Luxuries is a status which can be well covered by Insurance. The only inequities, to be disputed of course is what is Luxuries and what is not. For instance, if a car's price is XYZ and somebody pays X2 has every right to buy. So, Government taxes on Insurance companies should rise also. No Free Lunch to Insurance providers in general. 🎉 Thanks.

  • @indsov2010
    @indsov2010 2 месяца назад

    Been a fan of Dr. Laffer for decades! One of my earliest influencers to embrace the Austrian school.

  • @GuyIncognito764
    @GuyIncognito764 3 месяца назад +13

    Dr. Laffer for president!

  • @anandp3991
    @anandp3991 2 месяца назад

    Julia, you are so kind and unbiased with all your hosts. Don’t change ever. If you ever want to eat good Indian food then please come home. My family would love to have you. People just don’t do something like this anymore. Invite home for food is the most heartwarming experience for many.

  • @lsu205
    @lsu205 2 месяца назад

    Best video yet. More of Laffer and have him debate Paul Krugman.

  • @nicholaswempe1647
    @nicholaswempe1647 2 месяца назад

    Love it, please have him back

  • @jimformermilkman
    @jimformermilkman 2 месяца назад +1

    One of the best guests I’ve heard on here.
    Hopefully he will do the extra shows you spoke of.
    Good job out of you !!!

  • @dls1980fly
    @dls1980fly 2 месяца назад +1

    Excellent interview! Thank you.

  • @barbaraatkinson2204
    @barbaraatkinson2204 2 месяца назад

    So clear and precise thank Julia spot on stuff!

  • @paulasaavedra3696
    @paulasaavedra3696 3 месяца назад +1

    🙌🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Great Guest & Interview!!! 🌟

  • @davidmann2524
    @davidmann2524 3 месяца назад +5

    This is the guy that watched and oversaw Reagan spend a ton of money while cutting taxes. What a clown.

    • @jonjonpr787
      @jonjonpr787 2 месяца назад

      Still he’s saying is hard to be a government official because you have to lie and do shit you don’t wanna do

    • @davidmann2524
      @davidmann2524 2 месяца назад

      @@jonjonpr787 lol it’s much much worse in the private world. At least in the government area you have some job protections in place. It’s why the further you go up the chain, the bigger sociopaths and cowards you’ll find

  • @justpete2748
    @justpete2748 2 месяца назад

    Absolutely loved this. Watched to the end as I’m sure I would if there were more!

  • @Ragnarok77
    @Ragnarok77 3 месяца назад +1

    A great man! That just about sums it up...

  • @joesb213
    @joesb213 2 месяца назад

    my humble obesiances at this mans noble feet ....enlightening to say the least

  • @pabs5270
    @pabs5270 2 месяца назад

    In the 1950s taxes were very high, and that was a decade of tremendous growth.

  • @Koolken44
    @Koolken44 2 месяца назад

    This guy is the best.

  • @peterbedford2610
    @peterbedford2610 3 месяца назад +1

    He's maintained the look after all these years....and his theory being wrong just as long

  • @brad6105
    @brad6105 13 дней назад

    Fantastic podcast!

  • @billirons6277
    @billirons6277 Месяц назад

    I love art Laffer

  • @karlbork6039
    @karlbork6039 2 месяца назад

    He is very sharp for 83 years old.

  • @omerarduc7371
    @omerarduc7371 2 месяца назад

    Love your channel Julia.

  • @PhantomO01
    @PhantomO01 3 месяца назад

    Love this interview.
    As they tax me more; I try less but pretend more 😊.
    As they raise tax; I charge my customers more, simple as that. 😊

  • @MeJonTheDon
    @MeJonTheDon 3 месяца назад

    At first i thought "ah great, another career academic." But then i found most of this guy's stance to be quite accurate and would love to see him on again!
    The parts i dont agree with, are not ones i necessarily disagree with, but rather wpyld like to see him dig into more. This relates to taxes in a few ways:
    1) what about privatizing or creating more co-op based revenue systems, rather than making everything political. You pay for what you want to use, maybe with some excess for what you don't (even if just not at that stage in life), and make it competitive to get those things in place.
    2) remove tax rates that can change or increase in total amount from purchased assets (i.e. you shouldn't pay more for infrastructure for government and nearby infrastructure because of a paper gain on real estate due to someone else nearby paying more for their property than you did -- the newcomer should always have to pay for the increased cost).
    3) hold federal government accountable by pricing everything in states in some relatively stable money or basket of goods, so that it is clear to all who are blind or uninformed as to what is going on. States can aim for price transparency without actually creating a new money, but instead just making it easier to view the dabasement of dollars. Those states who implement such a system will effectively outcompete states that do not, becuase the states that do not will be disproportionately taken advantage of to the point of irrelevance, making the winning states hold more austority over decision making at the federal level to scale of the system of accountability and reinstate a means of a balanced budget.

    • @Erikpdx
      @Erikpdx 2 месяца назад

      His ideas are still academic from the opposite side of the table. It's pretty easy to pick most of it apart. Like the premise the rich will always avoid taxes as a fact of nature, when it's really just a choice to allow it with loopholes. Sure, if you give them an alternative they will take it like everyone else, but it doesn't have to be that way

  • @detectiveofmoneypolitics
    @detectiveofmoneypolitics 3 месяца назад

    Economic investigator Frank G Melbourne Australia is following this informative content cheers Frank 😊

  • @Seer645
    @Seer645 3 месяца назад +2

    Much said is true and idealistic but for 7 years running Finland and its neighbors earn the happiest countries ranking while the USA drops out of the top 20. The ultra rich do not pay taxes as they have Trusts, Foundations and Off shore accounts. The USA is a corporatocracy with Blackstone and a few others owning most of the wealth. With robotics and AI there is less need for large populations. The waste engineered by built in obsolescence is astronomical. The G7 Globalists want their Corporatocracy to be even more global and controlling while they continue their illegal schemes , see Ronald Bernard.

  • @Reason-Logic
    @Reason-Logic 3 месяца назад

    Art's monetary knowledge should be mandated in AI programming! What a brilliant mind!

  • @ryanbaileyboxing
    @ryanbaileyboxing 3 месяца назад +1

    Thanks

  • @WhoCares..808
    @WhoCares..808 2 месяца назад

    Hallelujah 🙌- absolutely 💯!!!

  • @edmundlively8137
    @edmundlively8137 2 месяца назад

    Insider information is already priced into the market ! 😮

  • @johnbirman5840
    @johnbirman5840 2 месяца назад

    Free trade is great - when both sides of the trade have the same freedom.
    But if the EU or China slap tariffs on us - which they do - one cannot foolishly remove your own.
    Adam Smith - the Father Of Free Trade in his book “Wealth Of Nations” has 2 instances when Free Trade does NOT apply:
    1) National Security “stuff”
    2) when Nations dump their goods on another country, and take no goods back. (In his day it was ships unloading, and returning with only “ballast”. England was doing that)
    Free Trade for it to “work” must be reciprocal.

  • @Dan-lu8qu
    @Dan-lu8qu 3 месяца назад

    Usually if I like it I give it a thumbs up, very seldom do I subscribe simply because of the content. The content's good but not good enough, and most of the time it gets boring. I don't have to agree with everything, I'm after information that I can decide whether it's right or wrong. After listening to this podcast it was a no-brainer to subscribe. Thanks Dan

  • @bn7228
    @bn7228 2 месяца назад +1

    Art….this just isn’t ever happening…..low rate broad based tax? Lower taxes for Buffet…..higher taxes for the poor? Cmon Art…..let get a serious plan.

  • @harambenolevest69
    @harambenolevest69 2 месяца назад +1

    GOAT

  • @sudo2998
    @sudo2998 3 месяца назад +1

    @23:00 Yes Art, but that's a great way to cool the economy while taking care of everyone, which is what we're going to need when the super-rich finally manage to bankrupt everyone. Either that or there's a people's revolution, and the super-rich can use their excess money to build themselves private militias - which is what has happened in many parts of the world.

  • @paulaballetdancer4432
    @paulaballetdancer4432 2 месяца назад

    Politicians deny human nature and the critical effect of morale.

  • @user-xg6yc8ho3w
    @user-xg6yc8ho3w 2 месяца назад

    “Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.” We're in the phase now of our weak men/women creating hard times.

  • @Erikpdx
    @Erikpdx 2 месяца назад

    By outperform he means cutting taxes started off a new speculative inflationary bubble that ends poorly

  • @thebibleuniverseity4388
    @thebibleuniverseity4388 3 месяца назад +1

    While you listen to this remember that Trump endorsed his book. Not a bad thing, just to keep things in perspective in case you haven’t read his book yet. Enjoy!

  • @timsprong1490
    @timsprong1490 2 месяца назад

    The reason why money's outside of the Petro-dollar are being experimented with is because it is thought the diminishing return for the protection of commerce is being reached. I believe this is misguided. The costs of this protection keeps going up.

  • @leonbosman9036
    @leonbosman9036 3 месяца назад +2

    You do not need the extra hair, Dr. Laffer ads enough to your show.

  • @wam122
    @wam122 3 месяца назад +1

    And yet , U.S. markets are at an all time high... Dr Laffer views are perhaps out of step with reality . The sky is falling really?

  • @feioverney7875
    @feioverney7875 3 месяца назад +1

    Come on, California’ economy/GDP has surpassed Germany. Most producing states Taxes, Florida, and Tennessee. He should share his numbers! And which states are the net contributors to federal government. Please share his findings/ research

    • @ryantinney
      @ryantinney 3 месяца назад +1

      Those states do not match his political ideology.

  • @paulaballetdancer4432
    @paulaballetdancer4432 2 месяца назад

    Dr. Laffer then what to do?!!!

  • @jayman732819
    @jayman732819 2 месяца назад

    How about stabilizing the dollar?

  • @Steven-jx7ch
    @Steven-jx7ch 2 месяца назад

    i think collagen peptides in your coffee is essential for my life expectancy 111 project ;)

  • @paulaballetdancer4432
    @paulaballetdancer4432 2 месяца назад

    What should we DO?!!!!

  • @Mr94Integra
    @Mr94Integra 3 месяца назад

    John Cochrane at Stanford's Hoover school as a future guest! Steve Bannon would be a great guest, too. He's a walking-encyclopedia. John Taylor at Stanford, who is known for his monetary policy rule called the Taylor Rule. Professor Laffer is on point that getting an academic tenure is political.

    • @TheJuliaLaRocheShow
      @TheJuliaLaRocheShow  2 месяца назад +1

      I'll reach out! Thank you.

    • @TheJuliaLaRocheShow
      @TheJuliaLaRocheShow  Месяц назад +1

      I just secured an interview with Dr. Cochrane this month. Thanks for the recommendation.

    • @Mr94Integra
      @Mr94Integra Месяц назад

      @@TheJuliaLaRocheShow great catch!

  • @verenagoh4641
    @verenagoh4641 2 месяца назад

    😂 he's so annoyingly 💯 %
    💯 % Right ‼️
    Love hearing from him ❤
    Think he must be talking about Malaysia ‼️🧦😹🤣

  • @pabloeyelid7006
    @pabloeyelid7006 2 месяца назад

    Sharp mind. I hope i stay as sharp at his age.

  • @therighteous802
    @therighteous802 2 месяца назад

    I love the interview, but the guy is wrong about the stimulus. It redistributes from savers (penalized through inflation) to low income people, who spend it. And inflation has the added benefit of reducing gov't debt (relatively). The direction we're heading is terrible, but I don't see any way around it, the alternative would be worse (a huge deleveraging).

  • @dazedhavoc
    @dazedhavoc 3 месяца назад

    I like this guy.