Tire Review. Mud terrain and All terrain
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- Опубликовано: 7 окт 2024
- I have had the opportunity to run many different tires. Let’s go through the ones currently in my fleet and talk good, bad, and what I think they would work best on.
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Tire review
Mud tire reviews
Mudders
Boggers
Super swamper
Patagonia mt
Patagonia xt
Milestar Patagonia
Falken
Falken wildpeak
Falken wildpeak xt
Extreme terrain
Offroad tires
Tyres
Mud tyre
Buckshot mudders
Rock crawling
Mudding
Mud bog
Drag race
Sand drag
Tire test
Mud tire test
I like that this felt honest and transparent rather than a YT ad for some brand. Love for keeping it real!
Minus the fact that Milestar is a sponsor of UA
@@krover01 If he didn't like the tires, he would have just not made the video.
@Spac3Monkey its hard to know for sure when everyone knows, and they don't deny that they get free tires. If they gave me free tires in exchange for reviews. I'd say they're great too!
@@krover01absolutely spot on!!
First of all: thanks for this Dave. Tires are a HUGE topic and can be a difficult decision when you aren't sponsored. It took me 7 weeks to make a decision on my newest set. I wanted something comfortable for my family and myself with good road manners as well as being able to handle road hazards, off road duty and still look decent. Like the "in-betweener" Dave mentioned. I looked at Hercules terra trac TG, Milestar patagonia xt, kenda klever at2 and falken rubitrek along with a bunch of cheap ones like prinx, delinte, advanta and even considered spending an arm and a leg for some BFG, NITTO, etc...I decided to buy American and went with these Mastercraft courser trail HD tires that were made in Findlay, Ohio. I'm not telling anyone what to buy, but I will say if you have a dual purpose truck, the sidewall rating/bite and tread depth are phenomenal on these for the price range. I'm near 5,000 miles in on them, just rotated and zero signs of wear. They look good and ride dead SILENT. They shed water and grab hard on dirt so far. No squirm or squeal when pushed hard on the street around curves, when accelerating or braking. I have not had them in the rocks yet, but will soon just to test them some as this is my all-purpose rig and not my trail truck (trail truck is rocking Mickey Thompson Baja MTZ just bc I got a good deal on them I couldnt say no to and they had 5 in stock. they seem to work well too, but don't get many street miles at all). So I just wanted to share as another option everyone may not know about is all. They aren't the cheapest, but FAR from the most expensive and I personally feel like I got every bit of my hard earned moneys worth here.
I can't honestly say, most people don't need an mt tire. A good at tire would do everything they want it to. I had 2 sets of mts on my rodeo and I got soo little use out of them. Great video man.
Thanks for taking the time to talk about the next most important thing on the rig. Tires! it would be fun to hear your view on these with the length of travel seen on consumer grade rigs, non customized, and their compounds and lugs/blocks for a overall ride/wheeling capability.
Science!
I've been running Coopers, since they first came out with the original Discoverer. I wish they still made that one.
I'm currently running the Cooper Evolution MT, on my CJ7.
They're great in mud, as well as snow. Great handling in the rain.They're a little loud, but, not obnoxious.
My CJ is my daily driver, as well.
me to , i am running COOPERS NOW !!!!
I have cooper at3's on my 17 power wagon and absolutely hate them. They are good dry and in rain but mine are horrible in the snow. I don't even snow wheel so just driving through town in the snow is scary. I won't buy them again. The best snow performance tire I have used is the toyo at3's. Great tires. Performs in all situations I have put them in.
@@kuhndog-1196 i hope mine are good in the snow , they said they supposed to be good in te snow ....
@WASHINGTONSTATEDOGTRAINER supposed to be. I'm not impressed. They were on my truck when I bought it so oh well, but I won't buy them again for sure.
Got stt thinner stt pros on one and stt maxx’s but wider on another and tbh bar noise the mts handle better then the rts. However the rts are great overall bar slick clay mud. But absolutely zero complaints from stt pros. Great all rounder and balanced up nice and don’t vibrate.
Great episode! For some reason I really enjoy tire reviews, so seeing a bunch of them with your descriptions was really entertaining.
Great overview! It's nice to see it from someone who has used them and isn't sponsored by a tire company.
I am cleaning up my 40” boggers right this min. Cleaning up my old square for a show an shine tomorrow.
I am running 255/80/17 Falken Wildpeak RTs on my Chevy Colorado ZR2. They are one of the lighter weight versions of a 33 inch tire. They have worked very well for me on Texas limestone and some muddy/sandy forest trails. These ones in particular are also load range E, 3 ply, HD. I have a lightweight truck with out a lot of stuff on it but they still seem to flex pretty well. Maybe because they are pizza cutters. I have put 12,000 miles on them and they are great.
Good to know! Falken always seems to get the mileage
Oh that's funny, I was literally just looking at the specs on tires of that size for my 5th gen 4Runner. I think that's a really underrated size, not a lot of people run it. What I found was the Falken was a little heavy, at 59 lb. I think I'm leaning toward the Toyo RT Trail at 52 lb.
I considered the Falken rt as next summer tire, but hearing about harder compound and heavy rigs was a really valuable information for me! Thank you so much!
I just got a set of Sumitomo's Falken Wildpeak A/T4s for the 22 2dr MT Bronco I daily drive and they are fantastic. They were comparatively inexpensive, ride and handle great and when they arrived, it turns out they were made in Tonawanda, NY. Could not be more pleased.
Micky Thompson Baja Boss AT tires are awesome. Three peak snow flake rated. They wrap around rocks very well when aired down.
Those are a great tire. I didn’t know they were three peak. Good information
Thank you Dave for doing an honest and informative tire review! Although I’ve got a lot of experience in the heavy truck tire world, I’ve never used anything more than A/T’s on my daily. And so far the Falken Wildpeak A/T has been the best all around (in my experience) for snow and ice covered northern MN roads.
It feels like the hardest part is decoupling form and function from each other, some LT rated highway tires will get most of us to a whole lot of campsites and last years but they don't look as cool as a set of interco boggers
Yeah. They seem to be bridging the gap pretty well though
Without a doubt, the worst tyre I have ever had, were BFG KO2s. If the tyres were cold, and the road was even damp, my truck would slide all over the road. Once the tyres warmed up, they were fine.
Great info Dave! Thanks!
I used to run dedicated street / off-road tires as a bachelor. I bought a set of Milestar Pategonias for my current CJ7 rig because they looked ok for road, and have the chunky needed for moving material.
For me I've always had good luck with BFG'S. They get me where I'm going. But most important of all .They get me back to the house. My 1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited has some on it right now.
Thanks Dave, good stuff as always! Totally dig the pacer!
Ive seen Buckshots in action many times back in the 90s, they dig like crazy. For a dedicated mud truck, they were pretty good and far more streetable than a Bogger.
Good to know. They were popular for a long time
In the wet nw snow the buckshots work pretty darn good also
We ran Gateway Buckshots all over the place here in the southeast! They are the perfect East coast wheeling tire, absolutely tough as nails and traction for days!
I liked the ground hawgs 2 then the old rvt non directional then the super swamper tsl
Thanks Dave. Some good advice for my next off road build especially since I don't know what it will be yet
I run the deliums 37's on my ford excursion. I love them on the highway, they have been great on the rocks! I have found they work surprisingly well in the sand at sand hollow. Great option for a cheaper tire on bigger vehicles!
Got my Dirthead Shed T-shirt and I love it! Great quality and awesome graphic. Just need a sticker for my Jeep now. Thanks Dave!
On my 5th set of 35s on my TJ, and I think the best for rocks has been the Nitto Terra Grappler AT that they stopped making for a 15-inch wheel. First was a set of Pro-Comp X-Terrain directionals, then the Nittos, then a set of Pro-Comp MTs, then some old and used BFG 1st gen MTs, and now General Grabber X3 MTs. The more siping, the more biting edges to generate friction when on the rocks.
Let’s get that sweet Trooper in the shop!!! lol.
I know, I know. I’m hoping for next week actually
Your explanation of your experiences with the tires were great.
I ordered the 42" IROKS 2 years ago for my flatfender and they were like a year out so I had to switch to a 43" baja pro xs that they had in stock. I love the look of the mickeys but I miss my IROKS which were 39.5 13.5r15 you'll love your IROKS up here.
I love my M/T02’s I have 2 sets one MT02 and one set of just the regular MT’s. 1 set on my JK and the other set on my 73 Dodge crew cab with a Cummins in it. I love them. Both sets have never let me down. The snow traction is awesome. The JK is almost due for a new set of 35’s. I’m probably gonna go with the X/T’s. I appreciate the insight into the different tires on the market. Keep up the killer videos Dave!!
Great video. I have to say my favorite tire so far is the Procomp Xtreme MT2 . I bought some 40x13x17s for my JKU 10 years ago because you and Fred did a video with them on an old Chevy army truck and I liked the look of them. I ran them for over 40k miles and bought a second set because they are so good. The balanced good and they are extremely round ( not egg shaped ) for a 40" . Very good street manners and good off road too. My Jeep is a daily driver.
Thats always been a favorite of mine
So interesting, over the years I watched milestars flail and slip while most brands walk up the same obstacle. Would be curious to see a real world side-by-side test with Nitto Interco, and maxxis.
I need to get a group together and do that
I daily drove a 77 Cherokee Chief on 40 Boggers. Was fun times here in Calgary in the winter and quite the learning experience.
stupid !!!!!
Great video and very educational. Thanks for helping out the 4x4 community!!
Glad you enjoyed it
I bought a '78 Bronco that had 44" Super Swamper Boggers & they were great for off roading here in SC in the mountainous areas and red mud but terrible on the road & absolutely destroyed the entire front suspension. I've noticed several of the guys that I watch that are out in Utah that use the Patagonia and seem to really like them
I’ve always liked the way I super swamper looks
I love the Maxxis trepador 37 12.5 17 C rated on my full-size wheeling truck. It’s a half ton truck with 1 ton axles, and I don’t put anything heavier than some camping gear in it. They work great for everything, super flexible in the dirt/rocks. I’ll never buy BFGs ever again. Same truck, pre axle swap, had 7 33 12.5 15 tires separated badly. Last one just lost the whole tread at 75 mph on the I-10. Changed my shorts, checked tire pressure, still at 35 psi.
Dude
I love what you did with the PACER
ABSOLUTELY AWESOME
PS the kenda kleaver RT IS A pretty good ALL AROUND SETUP
Packed with a lot of good info from real world experience. Great video! I am really liking the Nitto trail grappler K spec’s on my Squarebody crawler they seem to do everything well.
I almost got those Patagonia XTs in the 40” for my ‘02 Dodge Cummins a few months ago but when I went to buy the whole internet was sold out of em. Which was a bummer cause I basically thought it would probably be everything you’ve said here😂. Thought they discontinued it completely. Ended up getting Yokohama G003 MTs in the 40” which is a load range D on a 17”wheel, which I’m super happy with all around. Great on the highway going 90 plus mph on a 4 ton truck and excellent grip on all dirt and rocks. Hope to get some snow action this winter. The internet has since restocked on those Pats and I can’t help but wonder how they’d do for me.
I'm digging my Mickey Thompsons Baja boss at. Super quiet and great traction.
Woot! THE Dirthead Shed Friday night. Best channel on the Tubes.
Thanks, actually. All that's left on my 95 forgotten for years 5.8l HIGH miles Bronco purchase last year is tires. Had started on marketplace but knew I needed some new rubber. I've seen those Patagonia tires on the channel before and liked them. Cheers, and I hope i was paying attention to this episode.
Keep up the work on that bronco
I have Cooper STT Pro on my TJ and they have done a very good job for a couple of years now. They replaced BFG M/T's.
Saw the Rock Viper for sale on FB marketplace a couple days ago. Whoever has it now is parting ways with it
I do a lot of Blue Ridge Mountain and beach wheeling (soft sand - surf fishing). I am a huge fan of BFG KO2's on my TJ. As for the Patagonia - I had one totally shred the outside wall on a military hummer.
I’ve spent months trying to figure out what tires to get for my 73 Dodge W100, I plan to mainly use it for towing/hauling, but I still want to be able to hit a trail once in a while. Those Milestar XTs look like they might be just what I need.
This is an excellent video. A lot of good, valuable information about the tires we see but, not sure of. Very cool. Everything is getting SO EXPENSIVE now and, there's so many options. It's hard to decide on an affordable, high quality and high performance tire, today.
It is pretty wild how many options there are now
I have run a lot of tires. MTs, AT, Bias Ply, and Radials. My current favorite for just all around great tire for street, snow, dirt, rocks is the Mickey Thompson Baja Boss AT. They are more of a hybrid tire, than an AT. They are really quiet, they are 3 peak snow rated. Tough 3 ply sidewall. Been super happy with them.
That’s a great tire. I’ve run the Baja boss MT. They are really not far off from the tire you have
Another great episode! Thanks for all the awesome content!
The tire I used to love the most was the Maxxis Bighorns, but they only ran up to a 35, and now they're discontinued. I've never liked the BFG M/Ts. IRoks are great in snow, but they puncture easily with hidden sticks or sharp rocks in snow! For snow and mud wheeling I prefer something with a bigger spaced block tread. They bite the snow and pull you through. Some people say an X/T or A/T are better for snow because they will pack up, but I've always seen people spinning more. As far as sidewalls, more sidewall (8 or 10 ply) works best on trucks. I run a 4 ply on my Jeep because it's so light.
Falken now makes their new Wildpeak A/T4W in 255/85R16. Love the pizza cutter look, going to put them on my Tacoma when the time comes for new tires.
Love your work. I had a chance to buy a set of pro comp AT through former job. I run just under 34 on 04 Chevy 4x4 3/4 with flat bed, 4.56 gears and 8.1 big block. I paid 800$ for the set they have been amazing towing and in the rain. They are not as aggressive as what I always ran but they are silent. No complaints. A supplier had them on clearance . I have put around 8k miles on them towing 90 percent if the time . Great so far.
The pro comps are good. Had a great road hazard warranty through 4wp. I ran the xtreme mud terrain for years
@@thedirtheadshed these have 65k mileage warranty. When I ordered them I thought Cooper still made them. When they said Taiwan on side wall I wondered if I was making a mistake. But they have been great honestly.
Nice. I ran all terrains on my Jeeps when they were daily drivers, BFG all terrains mostly. Now I don't daily drive them for work, I went mud terrains. And went with a re-molded tire, or retread. And been fairly impressed. Soft rubber, won't get tons of miles, around 40k. But tires did well. Loud on the road though. I'll be looking in spring for a new set, curious about the Milestar Pantagonia.
great video, i was looking for a video like this several years ago when I was trying to find some vintage correct tires for my 1st generation blazer.
Hope you ended up with the right tires
Hazel needs her own episode!
I run 35's 315/70R18 on the Silverado .. the 2 things I choose first is lug spacing and compound .. rock/mud is large lugs with side lugs / spaced with a softer compound .. 50/50 road/dirt is tighter lugs and harder .. sand I use worn out smooth tires 12psi in the frt and 10 psi in the back .. ALL my tires use tougher sidewalls we run Lava trails and tow ...
Lava rock tears tires up
My number one goal with big tires is getting round ones instead of square ones. Tire quality seems to have gotten better over the years though.
My favorite RUclips channel
I appreciate that
Great stuff Dave, Iv'e been waiting for someone to do a big tire video. The guys in Canada (Kelowna Snow Wheelers) run some big tires on their rigs. IROK's and MT Baja Claws. But yeah man great stuff keep it up. Always a fun class room. Like button energized.
I run delium tires on my mountain bikes. They make a lot of tires for other manufacturers and decided to cut the middle man. If there truck tires are like their mtb tires they won’t last long but will have a lot of grip
ive always run mud tires between 35's to 40's on all my offroad rigs and daily drivers. heck most my offroad rigs are my daily drivers. but the older i get i realize that a good all terrain will do just as good as an off the shelf mud t ire.
You’re not wrong. Airing anything down makes good traction
I ram the delium mts as a budget tire when I finished my 1 ton swap until I purchased my Maxxis RZRs. To be honest I loved them. I rock crawled and snow wheeled with them. Only think I didn't care for was the E rated side wall. Had to air down quite a bit for any side wall flex. They balanced easily as well.
Good to know! Thanks for the feedback
Great video. This is why we’re here🤘😖🤘
I had a set of Falken at3w all terrains on my Nissan frontier for 5 years. Did great in snow and ice while in Alaska for most of their life and not super loud on the highway. I'll say for the price they are 100% a great all around tire if you spend any time off-road anywhere.
They are great, but they got disconnected for the at4w. Also great, but a little less aggressive
@@thedirtheadshed i wasn't aware of that. Doing a poor man's long travel setup on the truck currently so I'll be looking for a more aggressive tire in the future
Great vid Dave, very informative 👌🏼
You live int he PNW now? I had not clue...............hope to see you on the trails.
Cheers!
Swapped BFG for Super Swamper TSL 32x9.50=15 on my knock around TJ . Toyo MT on Teraflex beadlocks on the trail rig and on the daily . Very happy with toyo on trail and highway, and they are made in Atlanta .
That’s good to hear
Great practical video and helps me buy for my next set for my tacoma. Any meet and greets in your future?
I had 36” swampers bias ply on my 73 chev 3/4 ton. It was the smoothest tire I ever ran but had balancing beads in them.
The 36 is a really cool size
Really good; the trick in my view is buy what you want. Daily/Weekend-Warrior is vastly different than a trailer rig. Front Lockers/ Rear Lincoln, shackle flips steering rams etc. relegate ones rig, so shoot for the moon. The sweet spot is 42" love the bogger cut for snow rear w/ SX up front leaving water available if rear-steer. Front planted on rock, boggers digging in the slime.
The ol staggered swamper technique. It seems to work
@@thedirtheadshed For weekend warrior stuff in Denver and Spokomton ran Discoverer STT, and like the guy that commented I got 250,ooo out of them. Just amazing.
Good video! Hope to see the Unreal Adventure content soon. Just subbed their channel.
I like my BFG AT and MT tires on my ZR2 Blazer. They have low-no road noise and awesome off-road handling. I'm not extreme at all, or a rock crawler, but just an average trail/trail blazing guy.
Like you said, tires are temporary, worth trying out some different stuff.
Old buck shots are still the king in mud bogging 31/32 tread depth spin them hard they are amazing
Good year duratracks have gotten me around and through things they never should have, you know their good when the fwp and game wardens use them on fleet trucks and their personal rigs.
Thanks Dave very informative!
Same as you, I own a lot of tires and I like to buy all the different ones. I have the Mickey Baja Boss 37’s now and I really like them. They are heavy. But oh well.
I’m not done with the video but I’ve been running a 40” sticky Baja boss Mickey…I’m happy with them so far. Under my 2800# zuk they work great! I run mostly rocky terrain in SE Oklahoma.. Clayton, twin mountains, rugged mountain ranch type terrain. I run with a lot of krawlers, treps, and SXs..
I loved the iroks back in the day. I ran a 36 on the same zuk.
Good info thanks great to see the shed open on Friday
I live in utah and have ran bfg, swampers, and now milestar mt02's on my first gen toyota and so far the milestar have been the best. I run them on my xj as well and its doing pretty well. The og milestar Mt were the ones with the weak sidewalls, the mt02 supposedly have thicker sidewalls.
Finally I’ve been waiting for another video bro
A tire I never hear about is the Sailun TerraMax. Had them on a daily/wheeling rig as their A/T variant, did good in the mud and snow (pushing snow with the headlights kinda deep), and still got 50,000 miles of good street manners out of them. When the rig transition to a wheeling camping rig, put the R/T variant on and did great in the mud, snow, and OK in the rocks. There's definitely better tires out there but at $100-$200 a tire still today for 33"-35"s can't complain about the value. Does anyone else has experience with these tires?
I had those Mickey MTZs, I didn't love them. It took a ton of weights to balance and they wobbled a lot on me going down the highway. I much preferred the Ridgegrapplers I had before or even the general grabbers I have now that I absolutely love. I know they aren't an MT but they are great all around daily drivers.
Good info. Thanks
The Super Swamper Irok is a great tire for Toyota pickup/4Runner in the now or rocks. Not great on the road or for any mileage. Great video and a fun topic!
Thanks!
I wish Goodyear would come back out with the Workhorse. I've still got mine on my chevy. I bought them back in 1996. I'd like them in 285/70r17
I have Patagonia A/T on my daily Tahoe and they are awesome. Those X/T look really good
I have been impressed with the xt’s so far
Missed you last week!!!
I think he was out on Unreal Adventure (UA). Can't wait to see that footage!
Sorry about that, yeah. Cool videos coming soon
@thedirtheadshed not mad I noticed you were having fun out on the trails! Just letting you know that I enjoy your videos and support your channel and love the content!!!
@thedirtheadshed
For the next one, plz kidnap Freiburger & take him on UA. Reignite his love for the off road!
For me the most important thing is cost, especially for offroad based tires. They all are not going to last if you have to street them a lot, that is just the nature of the tire design for offroad. I won't even look at top priced options, I always start with the bottom price and try to find the ones with the best tech/features available for the types of terrain I'm looking to use them on. Compound is really important for offroading different terrain, I find that is talked about the least with durometer readings which is just odd. The dirtbike community talks a lot about that for example. Trying out some Prinx HiCountry M/T HM1s on my CJ5, interested to see how they do on the PNW trail and street conditions. Great video, loved seeing all the awesome rigs you got!
I agree. No one really puts the durometer ratings out there
Tire companys call it a Hybrid tread pattern 5:36 good video dave!
Iroks work really well in the sand. I ran 39.5's on a ranger in the dunes
Heck ya great video! Are trail grapplers any good for snow wheelin?
Yeah. They are. A few guys at my work run them. Usually with extra siping on the center treads
the spare you have on your trooper are similar to the ones we see on old landrover and hilux's, toyo's of all types seem to be getting very popular as well.
Yep. They are good tires
Great video man! Thanks for sharing!
We need to see more of that PACER!!!! PACER!!!! PACER!!!! PACER!!!
Soon. Itll be on. A roadkill episode then I will start tackling some projects on it
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Dave, I'm surprised you've never weighed in on the Grabber X3. I'm on my second set (33/12.50/17s at first, now 35/12.50/17) with my Ranger, and I've been very impressed, even using them daily. I'd love to see you try them out and share your thoughts. I believe they were pretty early in the XT/RT class.
I run the Wildpeaks on my diesel, and really like them.
They have a higher load rating than the BFG's, which is perfect when I'm loaded with the camper.
Nice tire review Dave👍. Now I'm confused. You have. to many toys Dave you don't know what truck to play with🙂.
My neighbor had the early generation of the mile star MT. Those seemed to have some problems for him with tread coming off and blowing out the sidewall. Granted he beat on them at low PSI and got several trips before failure. Overall I don't think they are terrible if you're not gonna get super rough with it, a more expensive tire can handle heavy abuse better.
My biggest complaint with going from 15s to 17s is that the load rating jumped from C to E for common old school sizes. I love the RT/Hybrid segment though. I went from MFG KM's to the MickeyT BBAT's and love them for a draily driver. They're D's though. For my YJ, I would have wanted to run C's but they weren't available in a 35/315. For my vintage Jeep, I just bought some STA 650-16 Super Traxxions for that vintage look. I wish they had 700-16 in the tread. I just didn't want to run 700-16 NDT/NDCC's for a street use.
I had those super traxion on my early Bronco. They wheeled well
Interco trxus M/T are another excellent tire if you come across them. A bit expensive, but a great pnw tire.
Back in the day you could get a radial Buckshot mudder. I lived on the Oregon coast and mud all the time buckshot was the best mud tire out wheel super swampers all the time.
I run 33" Yokohama Geolander G003s on my Titan swapped frontier. Really like the tire, good traction everywhere except for smooth ice. only issue is that they cup after a while. Still lasted 40-50k miles with rare rotations. Seems to be a near perfect PNW tire
That’s a lot of miles for an MT
@@thedirtheadshed You should give them a try sometime when you get a chance
Hazel: "Yeah yeah yeah, tires are cool. Love me."
She requires an hour of hand holding a day
We also love the Milestar XT's! Nothing but good things to say about them. Great video, Dave!
I LOVE Mine! I only wish I hadn't mistakenly purchased 10plys🤦🏼♂️
I buy what I can get on Kijiji. Have never found a tire that I didn't like, or liked enough to go buy new. Would like to try the Milestars tho. Usually don't do a lot of rocks tho, more mud, deactivated logging roads kinda stuff. Wild grass hills in a rainstorm. There's a hill climbing tire test.