@@Monty-xs7hp we only watch cricket for 2 months a year and still we've won everything. We're spoiled. Plus, cricket is a working class sport in Australia. In England, its for private schoolboys, that's why the team has no backbone.
@ yet most of our best players have come from up north with working class families. You haven’t got a clue have you? Cricket was accessible for me and my family were on low earning incomes
The SCG pitch hasn't been a spinners paradise in years and years. The curators will not even consider the England attack, they have a directive to produce results oriented pitches since the old MCG pitch was rated poor in 2018. If the pitches were curated to suit Australia, they would have made the 2025 SCG a batters wicket to give a better chance at a series win. Instead it was a spicy seaming pitch that very nearly resulted in a series draw and India retaining the trophy. I think the current English line up with a young pace attack and some exciting batters have a good chance in the upcoming Ashes. It will be an exciting series either way.
The Aussies i speak to think that 2 tier system is a disaster waiting to happen...and seem to hate the very notion of it. I hear more " thats the influence of India at the ICC ". and " keep the greedy bastards away from the game ". The only reason it has raised its head is because of very recent crowd numbers in OZ...and like it or not that is PURELY based upon number of Indian descent people in Australia and how passionate they are. Nothing to do with the old established Aussie crowds. Same in England. No point dancing around the obvious. The beauty of the game is that a number 1 ranked team like Aust now needs to play in complete opposite conditions, and may get beaten in Sri Lanka. I love that unpredictability. Dont let GREED ruin the game. There is always a solution....lets not entertain thoughts of the easiest route to simply make more cash.
@@Monty-xs7hp Try again when India tours middle of the year to experience what i'm saying. They base decisions like this on tours by India to both Aust and England. The ICC is really the BCCI in disguise.
@@Monty-xs7hp Go to a game Eng v India later this year. You will find out what the proportion is. Then they will claim the crowd numbers are excellent....and they can make more cash if they just do it more often. Effectively...one country and its fans determining everything based purely on revenues.
@@Monty-xs7hp Have a look at what every single podcast does ....pander to Indian fans. Even the titles do that unashamedly. You can pretend otherwise, but right now the game is being led by one enormous worldwide population. That is something there is no need to sponsor or reward. It doesnt not need to be the deciding factor unless MONEY is the ONLY goal.
I thought India got lucky with that Spicier than normal Sydney pitch. India's worst enemy was a draw which would cement a lost series, and rain has constantly been a factor in Sydney tests in recent times. The forecast was for at least 1 day lost. They needed a result pitch to square the series...and got it...PLUS even won the toss. Got exactly what they needed....just not good enough to win it.
The smaller nations already struggle financially and can hardly afford to put test cricket on. The greed from the big 3 and India taking a bigger piece of the pie is the real problem. And for years England has poached talent mainly form South Africa and a few here and there from the Carribbean essentially getting young adults without having to invest revenue. A 2 tier system will destroy the game and there will be the big 3 with NZ, SA and Pakistan eating leftover scraps.
I don’t think so, the two tier system will be a good thing for test cricket, particularly given the big 3 can be relegated under current proposal. At the moment England would be 2nd tier side and for sure there will be periods India and Australia drop tiers.
Oh is that why so many poorer nations are struggling? Also BBCI have taken a larger share in recent years. If you're going to debate at least go on Google and find facts before you speak complete BS!
I don't think Australian curators will even consider the English squad. They will just make good cricket wickets, for a contest between bat and ball. The SCG test, Australia could have had a boring 5 day draw to win the series, the pitch was a green seamer. Australian curators tend to be more independent.
I completely agree. Kohli at his peak was a different player compared to now. Back then, he effortlessly found gaps and was always in the thick of the action. Nowadays, he seems more focused on just stealing singles. Since his return from the last BGT in 2021, he hasn’t been the same player.
Overloading the tests between Australia, England and India devalues the currency of those series. There needs to be a 'tax' on the various T20 leagues that goes to the various boards as well as a substantial minimum payment from the ICC to all Test players. Banning games against Afghanistan is a disgusting proposal - it isn't the team's fault. It's nonsense to equate Afghanistan with apartheid South Africa. The latter was a (limited for sure) Democracy and so vulnerable to soft pressure - the Taliban couldn't give a shit. What the ICC should actually do is fund a Refugee Women's team.
Kohli’s limited array of shots (no cut, no back foot punch, no sweep and come down the track against spinners) has caught up with him. It’s a lesson for all the batters. When you are at your peak, work on expanding your range of shots, in preparation for your career twilight years.
🤣🤣🤣, kohli plays al types of shots , wth you gonna do when all you get is 5 th stump ball for 85 balls in melb , in perth when he was about to get 100 he plYED reverse sweep , sweep , upper cut etc etc, get your facts right
Pretty sure Kohli has as many if not more shots than Rohit or any of his contemporaries. Perhaps the only shot Kohli doesn't play is the reverse ramp to pacers. Which Root does now. But I wouldn't be surprised if Kohli works on it through the IPL season and pulls it out this summer against England. Kohli still has atleast 2000-3000 test runs in him. Can't wait for him to score 3-4 centuries this summer and then hopefully he'll get a few sort of sporting wickets at home against WI and SA. We don't need to prepare rank turners, our bowlers are better than most teams visiting. We have ruined our players' averages and their confidence by preparing tracks that turn from ball 1.
So far, Gambhir’s tenure has been defined by his penchant for bits and pieces cricketers (or as he’d like to call them, utility cricketers). He once seriously suggested picking Ashwin to bat at no.4 and bowl spin in 2023 odi World Cup). In the 1st BGT test, Rana was picked over Akash/Prasidh for his supposedly better batting skills. In Aus, picking your 3rd seamer for anything other than their bowling quality is utterly ridiculous.
I agree with that criticism, but I think we won the 1st test because Harshit Rana bowled well, and Akashdeep is a better batter than him. Also the team selection is not solely dependent on Gambhir. Rohit has a bigger say as he is one who would have to lead the side in there. Gambhir actually didn't even pick the side for the pink ball test as stated by Rohit himself, he asked Ashwin to stay back and play the pink ball test and not retire. And Rohit is also someone who wants batting depth, we saw that in the CWC '23 where we played with Shardul Thakur for the first 3-4 matches and Shami was sitting out. Only Hardik's injury forced Rohit to change his combination. And as a matter of fact, had we played Ashwin in the world cup final against Australia for Surya, we would have had a better chance to win the whole thing considering the pitch was a dead one.
So...when it all boils down the tier system is 100% based upon one thing only. The fact there are huge numbers of Indian descent people in both England and Australia...and they are passionate fans. That is all it is when we cut thru the bullshit. It would be a temporary/fickle cash grab to one particular demographic..done as a knee jerk reaction to 1 or 2 series. In that BGT series just completed i reckon it must have been way over 65% of their crowds being India fans. Sounded and looked like it on the tele. The recent Sth Africa/Pakistan games proves we all need to oppose this silly cash grab proposal. Make those big 3 teams tour less around the world and it becomes game over.
Why is losing to AUS becoming an issue? When we lost to an avg NZ in India 3-0, that said something about this team! We should be happy we won one test!
Why is that English supporters are preoccupied with the Ashes? I would say that the BGT is equally important to Australian supporters right now, perhaps because of the quality of Indian players.
Because English supporters love the ashes. We couldn’t care less about the BGT. You’re also talking out your hole. The majority of Australian fans prioritise the ashes. Check the internet you rarely here a fan talk about the BGT when it’s not being played
Love Phil.. Rana.. test cricket is alove and thriving in England.. look at the speed tbe tickets sell out.. Engagement is directly related to qty... the more games the less engagement.. leave it as a special occasion. Engagement is not dirtectly related to qty. Actually opposite.. less series if good are more engaging than less. Christmas every month is not a concept .
stop calling Kohli and Rohit test greats! Kohli is no way closer to being a test-great! he has not earned it. Without a doubt Kohli is arguably the ODI greatest but an underachiever in test!
As an Aussie yes we look ahead in winter at who is touring hoping it’s England/India or SA and it’s a let down when it’s 1 of the smaller nations but Australians love cricket, yes we love the Aussie cricket team but more so we just love the sport itself and understand it needs to stay a truly word game. All Australians I know are dead against a two tier system.
@@Monty-xs7hp Empty? The last two years when SA and Pak toured there were still 65000+ there on Boxing Day at MCG. Day 2 over 40000, day 3 35000… Both of those years West Indies were here as well, and Adelaide had to host them two years running, still got 25000 per day both years. Maybe get a clue before just making stuff up on the internet 🤷♂️
Accoeding to Yas Rana' s why dont big 3 or 4 teams play each other as much as they want let the of the countries organize & play in different conditions & enjoy the beauty of test cricket not thank only on money
Great pod lads. Surprised Ben talking about Rohit playing in England. Did he actually see the stats behind his last 10 to 15 tests? He literally averaged the lowest a touring captain had ever and he only averages 40 and tactically he's not that great. He's washed. Actually now that I think about it if I was an Englishman I'd want Rohit to open too since he's a walking wicket
I get the point about the level of interest and return on Ashes series (and also India series), but if they are played EVERY 12-18 months? There is no realistic way the "special" sense of occasion will be sustained after years of that cycle.
It would be a two tier system without any jeopardy as the big 3 would still play each other if one of them were relegated into the second tier as England very well could be.
Personal view - I want to hear more about the proposed two tiers before I react or over react to the concept. I feel like people are assuming that teams like WI, AFG will never get to play these major test playing nations and tests as a concept will die for them. I am keen to see the proposal first but can’t imagine a scenario where the ICC would want this to occur. Calm the farm folks.
With only 9 nations (excluding Afg, Ire, Zim) playing test cricket regularly, how will they split them into two tiers? Top 3 and bottom 6? Top 4 and bottom 5? And will they promote the top team from the bottom tier and relegate the bottom team from the top tier? What if England get relegated? No Ashes then? What if Pakistan get promoted to the top tier? Will India be willing to play them? Perhaps they can split 12 teams into top 6 and bottom 6 with Afg, Ire, and Zim getting regular test cricket but the issue of relegation/promotion still remains. One might think India would be content making tons of money from IPL but apparently that's not enough and they want to sqeeze every drop of juice out of international cricket as well. Good luck making cricket a truly global sport with such self-centered leading cricket nations and the ICC held hostage by a single member. Imagine FIFA getting bullied by England or Germany. Unthinkable.
"imagine the impact of the players refusing to play" Zero impact, other than us losing points. We bombed that country to hell and occupied it for 10 years, messed it up, and then ran away and left these women in their current situation. The absolute front of us then boycotting a fixture in that context. Absurd
The 2 tier test cricket will destroy test cricket in most of the smaller nations. The sad thing is that the answer is clear, 2 groups of 6 playing 5 series, semi and final in the 3rd year. Then Aus, Eng and India can kill their game by playing pointless 5 test match series over and over again.
When you talk of numbers comparing Kholi to Ponting and Lara. Steve Smith has had a lull too and is miles in fornt of Kholi. He has played less tests, and his numbers are way out in front. And his 1st 20 tests he was a bowling allrounder at 7. Joe Root has played nearly 40 more tests and Smith only has 2 fewer 100's. And Smith has scores in all conditions, even more so than Kholi. Tahat double hundred on a rank turner at Pune being his golden ton. And his average in England is slightly better than Root.
@@Rugby-union-and-league His away average is 41, and he plays against alot of weak opposition. NZ plays alot of 2 or 3 series. He is the best of the rest, he isn't in the same realm as the other 3.
@@Alunticstalkedme4072Yes, Williamson has 10 centuries against SL, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. Smith only has 2; most of Smith’s hundreds are against England and India.
@opalruby13 And Smith has a better average than Root in England too. And to think nearly the 1st matches of his career was as a bowling allrounder coming in at 7.
Sports & politics should never mix. Don't punish the Afghani cricket team over the Taliban, it's not the cricketers fault, remember too the players grew up in a western world & didn't know any diffo until the US made a complete mess of the situation & with the Taliban taking back over in less than a day & the players are living in a new world, stone age type existence where everything is completely foreign in their own country. There's always politics in sport but when a Govt & the pollies insert themselves into sport to give a big middle finger to the Taliban by punishing the players. What if Australia or NZ said they weren't playing their games against England in protest of the Grooming Gangs across the UK where white girls as young as 12, are being gang raped & the Govt, pollies & the coppers are sweeping it all under the rug to not offended the actual rapists & putting the blame squarely back on the young girls. Before going on with "women's treatment in Afghanistan then maybe they should look at women & young girls & the way they're treated in the UK
Very random but would you be interested in having the air quality in your normal space tested. Just started a business where we track air quality and install air purifiers… thank you for the content as ever
I am waiting for ecb to sanction afghanistan ... please do the same !! Personally, I do not understand how people can play with pakistan .. at the same time refuse to play afghanistan. I think the british politicians would need a strong dressing down. Let's sanction each other on the foreign policy choices.
I’m not sure what the difficulty in the decision is. We stopped playing Apartheid South Africa, and if we think the level of oppression women and girls in Afghanistan hasn’t reached that level, then I would ask what more would need to happen before this bar is reached? The Taliban’s latest announcement is that women are no longer allowed to look out the window!
We stopped playing Apartheid South Africa but still sent an Olympic team to the Moscow games in 1980 despite all the horrific shit the Soviet Union dished out. We let Pakistan tour England at the same their army was committing a genocide in Bangladesh in 1970 Be consistent please.
@@theredraven all intolerance is bad, but unless you can show me that the state policy in these countries is to not allow these people leave the home, then it is not the same. Are you Afgani, what are your thoughts on the appalling abuse faced by women and girls in the country?
Its a win win situation for taliban. They are not fan of cricket altogether. Punishing afghan men team for the sake of women team is a stupid and idiotic proposal that can only comes from a westerner mind. Remember its not a moral issue because for the regime its also a moral issue. Its just politics. In my view so far its a good sign that men team in afghanistan is not under fire. As soon as that is recognised it is better. Otherwise the alternative is worse. Try to understand these issue from the other side perspective. Do we want afghanistan not playing any cricket altogether?
The fact that English people only care about cricket if it involves Australia is England's problem to solve - not the ICC's. Australia loves the Ashes, but also the BGT - and even series against South Africa, if they're good. Cricket doesn't revolve around England, and more Ashes series would simply dilute the fun of the Ashes.
Thank God someone has a brain. That was such a narrow minded opinion from Yas. Test cricket can't be run on what's good for england anymore it's not the 1900s
The problem is outside the top 3 most test nations are poor and have stopped playing test cricket. You do realise that the ICC will be making these decisions which is mostly run by Indians
@@sentimentalbloke185no in terms of actual victories his record is brilliant. England won one test in 18 before he turned up? We know you Aussies feel threatened and would prefer that old team to be there
@@Monty-xs7hp he did. The WTC cycle started with The 2023 Ashes. But glad to hear that your natural reaction to failure is to find some pathetic excuse.
I'm all for the big 3 playing every test against each other. I'm old and satisfied. I hope for you guys sake it doesn't get boring. You guys already destroyed test cricket. Why not totally destroy it. Us older folk don't care
@theredraven I can blame England and Australia coz they are the ones who doesn't have any backbone. They only have their own interests at heart. At least India is doing alright by the players with the IPL. Tell me what does England and Australia do????
Fuck the 2 tier system; no meaninless series! I want Australia to play everyone everywhere, not just the same 2 teams over and over again
Why? Your fans never travel to watch it 😂😂😂
@@Monty-xs7hp we only watch cricket for 2 months a year and still we've won everything. We're spoiled. Plus, cricket is a working class sport in Australia. In England, its for private schoolboys, that's why the team has no backbone.
@ yet most of our best players have come from up north with working class families. You haven’t got a clue have you? Cricket was accessible for me and my family were on low earning incomes
@@kiriakoz that’s because your fans don’t travel. 🤣🤣🤣. Imagine having a cricket team like yours and you all stay at home. Pathetic 🤣
@ you’re what they call a plastic fan. You’ve probably never stepped foot in a cricket ground 🤣🤣🤣
The SCG pitch hasn't been a spinners paradise in years and years. The curators will not even consider the England attack, they have a directive to produce results oriented pitches since the old MCG pitch was rated poor in 2018. If the pitches were curated to suit Australia, they would have made the 2025 SCG a batters wicket to give a better chance at a series win. Instead it was a spicy seaming pitch that very nearly resulted in a series draw and India retaining the trophy.
I think the current English line up with a young pace attack and some exciting batters have a good chance in the upcoming Ashes. It will be an exciting series either way.
Absolutely, Butcher should know better than suggesting that Australia doctors its pitches according to the opposition.
The Aussies i speak to think that 2 tier system is a disaster waiting to happen...and seem to hate the very notion of it. I hear more " thats the influence of India at the ICC ". and " keep the greedy bastards away from the game ". The only reason it has raised its head is because of very recent crowd numbers in OZ...and like it or not that is PURELY based upon number of Indian descent people in Australia and how passionate they are. Nothing to do with the old established Aussie crowds. Same in England. No point dancing around the obvious. The beauty of the game is that a number 1 ranked team like Aust now needs to play in complete opposite conditions, and may get beaten in Sri Lanka. I love that unpredictability.
Dont let GREED ruin the game. There is always a solution....lets not entertain thoughts of the easiest route to simply make more cash.
Absolute rubbish. I go to lots of cricket every summer in England and the grounds are always packed and the demographs are not Asian
@@Monty-xs7hp Try again when India tours middle of the year to experience what i'm saying.
They base decisions like this on tours by India to both Aust and England.
The ICC is really the BCCI in disguise.
@@Monty-xs7hp Go to a game Eng v India later this year. You will find out what the proportion is.
Then they will claim the crowd numbers are excellent....and they can make more cash if they just do it more often.
Effectively...one country and its fans determining everything based purely on revenues.
@@Monty-xs7hp Have a look at what every single podcast does ....pander to Indian fans. Even the titles do that unashamedly. You can pretend otherwise, but right now the game is being led by one enormous worldwide population. That is something there is no need to sponsor or reward. It doesnt not need to be the deciding factor unless MONEY is the ONLY goal.
@ you make some excellent points
I thought India got lucky with that Spicier than normal Sydney pitch. India's worst enemy was a draw which would cement a lost series, and rain has constantly been a factor in Sydney tests in recent times. The forecast was for at least 1 day lost.
They needed a result pitch to square the series...and got it...PLUS even won the toss.
Got exactly what they needed....just not good enough to win it.
The smaller nations already struggle financially and can hardly afford to put test cricket on. The greed from the big 3 and India taking a bigger piece of the pie is the real problem. And for years England has poached talent mainly form South Africa and a few here and there from the Carribbean essentially getting young adults without having to invest revenue.
A 2 tier system will destroy the game and there will be the big 3 with NZ, SA and Pakistan eating leftover scraps.
I don’t think so, the two tier system will be a good thing for test cricket, particularly given the big 3 can be relegated under current proposal. At the moment England would be 2nd tier side and for sure there will be periods India and Australia drop tiers.
A tierd system would actually make more money for cricket and more money for smaller test nations but whatever.
@joeblack1652 so why aren't the big three sharing more of the money now then?
@@Alunticstalkedme4072 they’re sharing bulk are you serious?
Oh is that why so many poorer nations are struggling?
Also BBCI have taken a larger share in recent years.
If you're going to debate at least go on Google and find facts before you speak complete BS!
I don't think Australian curators will even consider the English squad. They will just make good cricket wickets, for a contest between bat and ball.
The SCG test, Australia could have had a boring 5 day draw to win the series, the pitch was a green seamer.
Australian curators tend to be more independent.
I completely agree. Kohli at his peak was a different player compared to now. Back then, he effortlessly found gaps and was always in the thick of the action. Nowadays, he seems more focused on just stealing singles. Since his return from the last BGT in 2021, he hasn’t been the same player.
Overloading the tests between Australia, England and India devalues the currency of those series. There needs to be a 'tax' on the various T20 leagues that goes to the various boards as well as a substantial minimum payment from the ICC to all Test players. Banning games against Afghanistan is a disgusting proposal - it isn't the team's fault. It's nonsense to equate Afghanistan with apartheid South Africa. The latter was a (limited for sure) Democracy and so vulnerable to soft pressure - the Taliban couldn't give a shit. What the ICC should actually do is fund a Refugee Women's team.
Kohli’s limited array of shots (no cut, no back foot punch, no sweep and come down the track against spinners) has caught up with him.
It’s a lesson for all the batters. When you are at your peak, work on expanding your range of shots, in preparation for your career twilight years.
🤣🤣🤣, kohli plays al types of shots , wth you gonna do when all you get is 5 th stump ball for 85 balls in melb , in perth when he was about to get 100 he plYED reverse sweep , sweep , upper cut etc etc, get your facts right
don't think he even wants to play. he is paid millions being a beast in white ball. who can argue gruelling 5 days which is only draining.
@@pikachu-ql3vk Loli fan spotted.....i hope you find some comfort in life 😂😂
@@amitm2692 definaltely comfortable than u
Pretty sure Kohli has as many if not more shots than Rohit or any of his contemporaries. Perhaps the only shot Kohli doesn't play is the reverse ramp to pacers. Which Root does now. But I wouldn't be surprised if Kohli works on it through the IPL season and pulls it out this summer against England. Kohli still has atleast 2000-3000 test runs in him. Can't wait for him to score 3-4 centuries this summer and then hopefully he'll get a few sort of sporting wickets at home against WI and SA. We don't need to prepare rank turners, our bowlers are better than most teams visiting. We have ruined our players' averages and their confidence by preparing tracks that turn from ball 1.
So far, Gambhir’s tenure has been defined by his penchant for bits and pieces cricketers (or as he’d like to call them, utility cricketers). He once seriously suggested picking Ashwin to bat at no.4 and bowl spin in 2023 odi World Cup).
In the 1st BGT test, Rana was picked over Akash/Prasidh for his supposedly better batting skills. In Aus, picking your 3rd seamer for anything other than their bowling quality is utterly ridiculous.
I agree with that criticism, but I think we won the 1st test because Harshit Rana bowled well, and Akashdeep is a better batter than him. Also the team selection is not solely dependent on Gambhir. Rohit has a bigger say as he is one who would have to lead the side in there. Gambhir actually didn't even pick the side for the pink ball test as stated by Rohit himself, he asked Ashwin to stay back and play the pink ball test and not retire. And Rohit is also someone who wants batting depth, we saw that in the CWC '23 where we played with Shardul Thakur for the first 3-4 matches and Shami was sitting out. Only Hardik's injury forced Rohit to change his combination. And as a matter of fact, had we played Ashwin in the world cup final against Australia for Surya, we would have had a better chance to win the whole thing considering the pitch was a dead one.
So...when it all boils down the tier system is 100% based upon one thing only. The fact there are huge numbers of Indian descent people in both England and Australia...and they are passionate fans. That is all it is when we cut thru the bullshit. It would be a temporary/fickle cash grab to one particular demographic..done as a knee jerk reaction to 1 or 2 series. In that BGT series just completed i reckon it must have been way over 65% of their crowds being India fans. Sounded and looked like it on the tele. The recent Sth Africa/Pakistan games proves we all need to oppose this silly cash grab proposal. Make those big 3 teams tour less around the world and it becomes game over.
Why is losing to AUS becoming an issue? When we lost to an avg NZ in India 3-0, that said something about this team! We should be happy we won one test!
Why is that English supporters are preoccupied with the Ashes? I would say that the BGT is equally important to Australian supporters right now, perhaps because of the quality of Indian players.
Because English supporters love the ashes. We couldn’t care less about the BGT. You’re also talking out your hole. The majority of Australian fans prioritise the ashes. Check the internet you rarely here a fan talk about the BGT when it’s not being played
ashes > bgt
No it isn’t, Australians have a deep rooted rivalry with the English, the rivalry with Indian fans is just because they’re not very likeable
@@J92-DS exactly I’ve actually started rooting for Australia in that series. The Indian fanbase in unbearable
The ashes matter. The BGT does not.
Love Phil.. Rana.. test cricket is alove and thriving in England.. look at the speed tbe tickets sell out.. Engagement is directly related to qty... the more games the less engagement.. leave it as a special occasion. Engagement is not dirtectly related to qty. Actually opposite.. less series if good are more engaging than less. Christmas every month is not a concept .
stop calling Kohli and Rohit test greats! Kohli is no way closer to being a test-great! he has not earned it. Without a doubt Kohli is arguably the ODI greatest but an underachiever in test!
As an Aussie yes we look ahead in winter at who is touring hoping it’s England/India or SA and it’s a let down when it’s 1 of the smaller nations but Australians love cricket, yes we love the Aussie cricket team but more so we just love the sport itself and understand it needs to stay a truly word game. All Australians I know are dead against a two tier system.
Why outside the top 3 your grounds are empty when the other teams tour
@@Monty-xs7hp Empty?
The last two years when SA and Pak toured there were still 65000+ there on Boxing Day at MCG. Day 2 over 40000, day 3 35000…
Both of those years West Indies were here as well, and Adelaide had to host them two years running, still got 25000 per day both years.
Maybe get a clue before just making stuff up on the internet 🤷♂️
Aus won the 2015 bgt and then lost in 2017. so its been 7 years that they didn't have the bgt not 10 years.
10 years since they last won it.
Accoeding to Yas Rana' s why dont big 3 or 4 teams play each other as much as they want let the of the countries organize & play in different conditions & enjoy the beauty of test cricket not thank only on money
Great pod lads.
Surprised Ben talking about Rohit playing in England. Did he actually see the stats behind his last 10 to 15 tests? He literally averaged the lowest a touring captain had ever and he only averages 40 and tactically he's not that great. He's washed. Actually now that I think about it if I was an Englishman I'd want Rohit to open too since he's a walking wicket
I get the point about the level of interest and return on Ashes series (and also India series), but if they are played EVERY 12-18 months? There is no realistic way the "special" sense of occasion will be sustained after years of that cycle.
It would be a two tier system without any jeopardy as the big 3 would still play each other if one of them were relegated into the second tier as England very well could be.
Personal view - I want to hear more about the proposed two tiers before I react or over react to the concept. I feel like people are assuming that teams like WI, AFG will never get to play these major test playing nations and tests as a concept will die for them. I am keen to see the proposal first but can’t imagine a scenario where the ICC would want this to occur. Calm the farm folks.
With only 9 nations (excluding Afg, Ire, Zim) playing test cricket regularly, how will they split them into two tiers? Top 3 and bottom 6? Top 4 and bottom 5? And will they promote the top team from the bottom tier and relegate the bottom team from the top tier? What if England get relegated? No Ashes then? What if Pakistan get promoted to the top tier? Will India be willing to play them? Perhaps they can split 12 teams into top 6 and bottom 6 with Afg, Ire, and Zim getting regular test cricket but the issue of relegation/promotion still remains. One might think India would be content making tons of money from IPL but apparently that's not enough and they want to sqeeze every drop of juice out of international cricket as well. Good luck making cricket a truly global sport with such self-centered leading cricket nations and the ICC held hostage by a single member. Imagine FIFA getting bullied by England or Germany. Unthinkable.
"imagine the impact of the players refusing to play"
Zero impact, other than us losing points.
We bombed that country to hell and occupied it for 10 years, messed it up, and then ran away and left these women in their current situation. The absolute front of us then boycotting a fixture in that context. Absurd
The 2 tier test cricket will destroy test cricket in most of the smaller nations. The sad thing is that the answer is clear, 2 groups of 6 playing 5 series, semi and final in the 3rd year. Then Aus, Eng and India can kill their game by playing pointless 5 test match series over and over again.
When you talk of numbers comparing Kholi to Ponting and Lara. Steve Smith has had a lull too and is miles in fornt of Kholi. He has played less tests, and his numbers are way out in front. And his 1st 20 tests he was a bowling allrounder at 7. Joe Root has played nearly 40 more tests and Smith only has 2 fewer 100's. And Smith has scores in all conditions, even more so than Kholi. Tahat double hundred on a rank turner at Pune being his golden ton. And his average in England is slightly better than Root.
Kane Williamson has the best century conversion.
@@Rugby-union-and-league His away average is 41, and he plays against alot of weak opposition. NZ plays alot of 2 or 3 series.
He is the best of the rest, he isn't in the same realm as the other 3.
@@Alunticstalkedme4072Yes, Williamson has 10 centuries against SL, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. Smith only has 2; most of Smith’s hundreds are against England and India.
@opalruby13 And Smith has a better average than Root in England too. And to think nearly the 1st matches of his career was as a bowling allrounder coming in at 7.
You can't compromise between 'growing the game' and milking the Big 3 for money. Either you do one or you do the other. There is no 'middle ground'.
The next Ashes series will be played in the summer.
It's always played in the summer
@@jeremyburrows1470 u got it
The irony, got a back spasm vacuuming the floor listening to list
Sports & politics should never mix. Don't punish the Afghani cricket team over the Taliban, it's not the cricketers fault, remember too the players grew up in a western world & didn't know any diffo until the US made a complete mess of the situation & with the Taliban taking back over in less than a day & the players are living in a new world, stone age type existence where everything is completely foreign in their own country. There's always politics in sport but when a Govt & the pollies insert themselves into sport to give a big middle finger to the Taliban by punishing the players. What if Australia or NZ said they weren't playing their games against England in protest of the Grooming Gangs across the UK where white girls as young as 12, are being gang raped & the Govt, pollies & the coppers are sweeping it all under the rug to not offended the actual rapists & putting the blame squarely back on the young girls. Before going on with "women's treatment in Afghanistan then maybe they should look at women & young girls & the way they're treated in the UK
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So the solution to English fans not being exposed to foreign players (outside of Australia) is to play against them less?
44:40 probably the most narrow minded opinion I've ever heard
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Ben Gardner’s ‘Boomer using tech’ game is strong 😂
I am waiting for ecb to sanction afghanistan ... please do the same !!
Personally, I do not understand how people can play with pakistan .. at the same time refuse to play afghanistan.
I think the british politicians would need a strong dressing down.
Let's sanction each other on the foreign policy choices.
I’m not sure what the difficulty in the decision is. We stopped playing Apartheid South Africa, and if we think the level of oppression women and girls in Afghanistan hasn’t reached that level, then I would ask what more would need to happen before this bar is reached? The Taliban’s latest announcement is that women are no longer allowed to look out the window!
We stopped playing Apartheid South Africa but still sent an Olympic team to the Moscow games in 1980 despite all the horrific shit the Soviet Union dished out. We let Pakistan tour England at the same their army was committing a genocide in Bangladesh in 1970
Be consistent please.
@ ok consistently I don’t think we should be playing against a country that treats half their population as sub-human
@@TheSTEPHENMC5 India with its caste system? Pakistan's mistreatment of religious minorities? Sri Lanka and the Tamils?
@@theredraven all intolerance is bad, but unless you can show me that the state policy in these countries is to not allow these people leave the home, then it is not the same. Are you Afgani, what are your thoughts on the appalling abuse faced by women and girls in the country?
@@TheSTEPHENMC5 have you looked at the way India and Pakistan treat woman? We should keep politics out of sport.
England are not the best. Relegate them from test
Its a win win situation for taliban. They are not fan of cricket altogether. Punishing afghan men team for the sake of women team is a stupid and idiotic proposal that can only comes from a westerner mind. Remember its not a moral issue because for the regime its also a moral issue. Its just politics. In my view so far its a good sign that men team in afghanistan is not under fire. As soon as that is recognised it is better. Otherwise the alternative is worse. Try to understand these issue from the other side perspective. Do we want afghanistan not playing any cricket altogether?
The fact that English people only care about cricket if it involves Australia is England's problem to solve - not the ICC's.
Australia loves the Ashes, but also the BGT - and even series against South Africa, if they're good. Cricket doesn't revolve around England, and more Ashes series would simply dilute the fun of the Ashes.
Thank God someone has a brain. That was such a narrow minded opinion from Yas. Test cricket can't be run on what's good for england anymore it's not the 1900s
English people don’t just care about the ashes. I can’t wait for the summer when India tour.
The problem is outside the top 3 most test nations are poor and have stopped playing test cricket. You do realise that the ICC will be making these decisions which is mostly run by Indians
@@Monty-xs7hp Obviously not all, but it's generally true. The gap between an ashes vs non ashes series in England is enormous.
@@prafty ICC= Indian cricket council. They have all the money and make all the decisions
Boycott Afghanistan? Yes, but also boycott India for their refusal to play Pakistan.
Phil you're talking out your backside, Rohit has NO technique. It's all hand eyes for him, which goes after a certain age.
Agree with Phil. Expand the WTC and get more cricket in Australia in our winter up north. Ireland v Zimbabwe in Darwin and Cairns for example.
Poms don't understand Australian cricket. There's no interest in winter time tests in Aus.
Stop looking out the window Phil. It looks like you're bored with the discussion.
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Hey guys, Aussie here. We now have own all bilateral trophies, the WTC & ODI WC. How is saving cricket with BazBall going for you?
It's going very well actually.
@@theredraven in terms of moral victories, yes. 😆
It’s going great. Baz didn’t coach either teams when that ODI and WTC cycles started?😂
@@sentimentalbloke185no in terms of actual victories his record is brilliant. England won one test in 18 before he turned up? We know you Aussies feel threatened and would prefer that old team to be there
@@Monty-xs7hp he did. The WTC cycle started with The 2023 Ashes. But glad to hear that your natural reaction to failure is to find some pathetic excuse.
I'm all for the big 3 playing every test against each other. I'm old and satisfied. I hope for you guys sake it doesn't get boring. You guys already destroyed test cricket. Why not totally destroy it. Us older folk don't care
I don't think you can accuse England of doing anything of the sort given they play more Tests than anyone else?
@theredraven I can blame England and Australia coz they are the ones who doesn't have any backbone. They only have their own interests at heart. At least India is doing alright by the players with the IPL. Tell me what does England and Australia do????
@@axelbooysen1088 Play lots of test cricket (and sell out the venues while they are at it).
Cope and seethe.
C'mon guys chokli never had a great technique.he survived mainly due to flat tracks with a lot of luck.hes a proper flat track no pressure bully.
So the solution to English fans not being exposed to foreign players (outside of Australia) is to play against them less?