The big problem with the golf R is the dealer markups. All dealers in my city were asking a $10k markup on the Golf R. Which pushes it to a $55-57k car. Which is ludicrous to be honest.
We all should invest our money on Hyundai and Genesis in this price case 😉 Also there is no DSG in California and doubt it all manual buyers would pay over sticker anyway My lease is up March 2023 and by then or after extending it if my DSG and 20 years anniversary model be available I would pay $46750 for it otherwise I'm hoping the Hyundai Ionic 5 N would arrive because that should be a revolutionary car again to spice up the hatchback market. Also the upcoming Audi A6 Etron becoming a hatchback is so awesome
Totally disagree with the infotainments critics. You operate when your at stand still, put everything on auto and go. Tweaks while driving are done via wheel controls, shortcuts (set in advance) or voice control. Nothing complicated here. You never have to dig into menus while driving, you never do that in any car as far as I know !
EVERYTHING is being marked up. It depends on how much. Sorry but this is the way the auto market is right now. Either wait it out or shop around or don't. Just depends on if it's worth it for you. Even I bought mine with a $5k markup and zero regrets.
Might as well get a RS3!!! Don’t buy over 42K the RS3 is 53k so 10k mark up is a RS3 even the 5k mark will not make it worth it. 47k-52k is way to much for a golf with horrible infotainment! M2 is really close too.
@@MRDARRENGER There are some dealers that don't mark up new car prices, yes even for the Golf R and Audi RS3. Dealers would stop doing this if people didn't actually pay it. So, do yourself and everyone else a favor - don't ever buy a marked up car. Buy from a dealer that doesn't mark up, and pay to have it shipped to you, or just fly out there and drive the car back home. I've done this (ie shipped it) and it was a lot easier and cheaper than I anticipated.
I went for the base GTI due to the outrageous markups on the R in my area. Happy with the decision as the base is really well equipped and the suspension without DCC is already good. No issues at all with infotainment so far either but could see how not having knobs in higher trims could be annoying
The infotainment is definitely very different from anything else going on in cars right now. It's designed to use a lot of shortcuts, living with it, using voice controls and not putzing with it while you drive haha. it's awesome when you live with it. Also, the Golf R series even the R32, has always been designed to be subtle. For the Mk8 being subtle, it's still the flashiest of the R's to date.
Work of art?, engineering marvel I would say, they take a beating all day and the more you give them, the better they run (as long as all other maintenance boxes are met: timing chain, tensioner at around 110k, fresh oil every 3-4k, dsg fluids every 40k, walnut carbon cleaning every 80k) Is true there was a hiccup in the mk5/mk6 version, but all that has been resolved. I have opened them up at junk yards, drivers have let them run starved in oil, cylinder head is toast, but the crank and rods are unmolested, not a scar.
I have the same infotainment system in my 2021 VW ID.4 and love it. Granted, I live in the fiery low deserts of California and it's hot AF right now so I have the "Clima" set to 72 degrees and "Auto" so that invokes only A/C and Recirculation. Never have to touch it. For the Audio, I use the haptic steering wheel controls and they work well. Easy to use and super intuitive for me, but I can't speak for everybody.
I have an 8R and I do the same thing. My infotainment is completely lag and trouble free. It’s given me no issues and I think it’s great. Everything is responsive and you don’t need to look at anything really. It’s clean.
Reading this makes me happy. I have a Golf R on order and my only worry is the infotainment system. I've been driving VW for over 25 years now and the salesman I've dealt with all this time says he got used to the new infotainment interface quite quickly in whatever his dealer-provided car is. And the fact that I'm pushing 60 means that it's pretty much set it and leave it there for the next few years.
@@mikenb3461 don’t stress about it man, seriously. If you have any specific questions I’ll gladly answer them but for me as far as climate is concerned, I legit just set it to a temp and it makes it comfortable for me. Changing temps is quick and simple and no menu needs selected. Really isn’t something that fights you.
I'm glad I purchased a 2019 R with DSC, navigation and a third pedal. It's a fun car to drive that includes a 7 year factory warranty with dealer maintenance. Thanks for the ride!
@@davereiland9921 cause dealers buy the same warranty you can buy from a 3rd party (the manufacturer doesn’t sell the warranty) for about double the price. It’s one of the top ways they make profit. Never buy it from them. If u want a warranty get it directly from the supplier
@@davereiland9921 cpo don’t offer 7 year warranties. He said factory because they told him it’s the same coverage as a factory warranty. It’s not from vw. Dealer maintenance is usually a good deal though but make sure ur actually getting all the maintenance and not just oil changes.
I never understand why more manufacturers don't use a wheel aswell as a touch screen, like BMW and Mercedes aswell as some others. Its a cheap effective solution. It works so well while driving.
If Honda built an AWD “Golf R” by giving SH-AWD to their 306hp Civic Hatchback, then it would probably cost $45,000 to $50,000 MSRP. By not offering an 10speed automatic option or AWD option for the Type R they are giving up market share. This why Toyota’s GR Corolla AWD is so exciting. The 250hp Mazda Mazda3 Turbo AWD Hatch was a step in the right direction but expensive. Subaru has already abandoned the AWD Hatchback segment by killing their WRX and STi.
@@grigorioschristodoulou5229 It's not an excuse at all. Journalists and influencers are complaining about VW using haptics and the new MIB interface, but saying nothing about Audi (using the same system with different graphics), BMW, and Mercedes adopting the same tech. It's nice that all the old cars you've driven haven't had a learning curve, but the MK8 Golf is brand new. My point is, it's easy for people who have limited seat time with a car to form a negative opinion, as opposed to someone who lives with one every day. Not saying MIB3 is perfect, but its not nearly as bad as most people claim.
@@grigorioschristodoulou5229 lame excuse? It’s completely fair. That’s like complaining when the iPhone came out because it’s new tech and saying “well none of my other blackberries needed any relearning!” Of course not, they had minimal tech and the same button style used for decades. The system is intuitive and has many shortcuts to alleviate or circumvent much of the hassle reviewers make up to make it seem more convoluted than it is. It’s dishonest. It’s not without fault or perfect but I can do anything in that car easily. It’s like when every reviewer under the sun made it sound like turning off ESC was an act of congress when it’s actually one swipe away. They just don’t understand it and don’t even try to.
Great review. I am glad to see VW keeping the hot hatch alive especially seeing the Veloster N is no more. If we are only going to have 2 versions of the Golf so glad it is the GTI and the R. I am also very happy to see VW still offer the R in a 6-speed manual. Bravo VW!
Lol. The criticism from those who never buy new predictably present here. "I totally would have bought the last current manual hot hatch I've always wanted new, but it doesn't come with ". Excuse example - it's not brown, not a wagon, the drift mode I would never use doesn't work. Then they wonder why Ford doesn't sell them in North America.
I bought one last year (and I paid just the MSRP). The drift mode works much better if you disable the traction control under the brakes menu. But it still doesn’t act as a real rear traction.
A couple simple questions. Does the golf r 22/23 have remote start? Does the golf r 22/23 has power folding mirrors when car locks? Does the golf r 22/23 auto lock when you walk away from the car?
That's what I was thinking as I just watched.It took me a while to figure out the quickest way to disengage ESC fully the first time I did some launches after 1 k miles.
46500 USD is the cheapest one I can find with DSG. I ordered 2022 MK8 GTI S with DSG in King's Red with a few options ...just under 33k. I had Mk7 R DSG before,( bought it brand new on sale for 37k USD, and I am tempted for this new R. The price is just too much for a small hatch.
Can we all agree that it won't be long before they discontinue great cars like this because poor sales related to supply chain issues and extremely egregious dealer markups? Nobody is asking for a discount or a free car...we just want to pay MSRP. Being quoted $10k-$15k as a markup feels like robbery and in the end everyone loses when car stealerships cause the death of all the cars we love. Essentially "this is why we can't have nice things".
I'm expecting an 8.5 R to be it. After that it will be too close to these electric mandates going on in various western countries. So maybe a 2026 golf R will be the last year?
Absolutely it does. Special mode has higher shift points, higher idle, doesn’t auto upshift in manual mode (DSG things obviously) and is essentially in race on everything but suspension. That’s softer and it’s a wonderful mode for cruising backroads. It’s a favorite amongst the owners for sure.
I like the idea of the all the race tracks settings. It can be done, golfers have different course gps settings with slopes, courses, distance to hole ect programmed in so why not a specialized track mode for every course.
That’s exactly why I went with the MK8 R. Spending $41,000 for a GTI is a hard pill to swallow. Especially if you live where it snows a lot and love the 0-60 mph acceleration the R is the way to go
@@mqbr22 yeah that would be so frustrating. It’s one thing to spin from excess power (though still inefficient) but it’s another to be subjected to physics that fight against you lol.
I WISH reviewers would "get over" the Infotainment Center! I love it! I'm a tech guy, and I give it a solid "thumbs up." There is no single user interface -- or, for that matter, "set of controls" -- that everybody is going to love. I think its real purpose is to give people who would die for an "R" -- but can't afford it -- a face-saving excuse not to buy it.
This interface is available in the GTI, the ID4, and other VW product. We’ve experienced it many times and it remains slow and cumbersome to use, but looks great. Thanks for watching.
I agree, all these reviewers are all on the bandwagon of dismissing the car over the infotainment and act like it’s a “deal breaker. Enthusiasts don’t really give a shit when it comes to things like that in a performance car and it’s not the worst thing ever, there are shortcut buttons and it’s customizable.
@@Mikey-tg8ns Experience drivers have been drifting cars since the beginning of time. This is nothing new. There was a time when these vehicles did not have your "Nurburgring modes" or whatever you want to call them. A true "drifter" knows how to bypass all this overly complicated nonsense although I do understand that technology brings some safety measures built into the components.
@@Mikey-tg8nsMy understanding of the review is for informational purposes for people who might be potential buyers. They are saying that if you were a buyer thinking of using the car for "drifting" (especially since the car has a 'drift mode'), here is our take. I don't see it as any more complicated than that.
Cool car but good luck finding one and it being anywhere close to 44k. I went to two different dealers and was told 10-15k over msrp when they finally get one. With a gti autobahn 6spd you can at least get one for msrp
i agree, they glossed over this part when comparing prices. i can actually go get a GTI autobahn for $40k. i cannot for the life of me just go and get a Golf R for MSRP. Availability matters.
Typical reviewer oversimplification and inability to look at these things from real world buyer perspectives. I mean, they even got the MSRP to MSRP price difference wrong, which is more like $5.6k rather than 4-5k. If anyone wants to send me six thousand dollars because it's an immaterial of money (which is the price difference in the first year after taking into account the price difference between 87 and premium fuel) I'm happy to provide my Venmo. 😛
Man I only recently found out you guys in the US get fucked on MSRP. Here in Canada, I'm going to pay just about $41,500USD for this car. And that includes front PPF, lifetime windshield chip repair, battery heater (Canada is cold) and the muddy buddy mats all around. And that's for the DSG. 6spd is about $1000 USD less.
Honestly, the most frustrating thing about "drift mode" in FWD-based systems is that, if they really wanted to send it, they could beef up the AWD clutch pack and rear diff, and allow more than 50% of torque to go rearward, but in reality it's all just marketing.
Haldex awd can't bypass driving the front wheels. Clutch pack and rear diff aren't the limiting factor. Longitudinal vs horizontally opposed drivetrain..
And OP, it’s not really just marketing. The mode does what it says. Perhaps “oversteer” mode would be more akin to your liking but it does indeed bias the rear inner wheel more than it otherwise would which does in-fact allow it to oversteer and slide quite well. It’s not just a gimmick, it’s just a fun option that is actually fairly track capable if managed well.
Agreed do you own one ? I have a manual mk8 and with esc “off” in drift it’s a blast no it doesn’t get fully sideways but close enough. It’s pretending to be RWD but I’ve driven the RS ford and I prefer this 🤷♂️
I wish they’d make the R styling much more unique. Especially the interior. I get theyre targeting a “mature” crowd but it’s so bland all over. The R deserves to be special.
Take one look from behind and you know it’s special. The quad pipes and diffuser are bad ass. The seats are possibly most comfortable on any car I have driven. The massive drilled breaks. There is enough special to those that need to know. It’s why it’s such an awesome car. These sell themselves. No test drives. Just give credit card number. Run to get the one available. Drive home with massive smile.
Great review. The dash is hideous imho, and I can only imagine the cost if, and when, anything goes wrong with it. I am on my third VW so am not a VW hater.
I never thought I'd say this but I wish it had rev matching. As someone who has only bought manuals in the last 30 years & suffered a terrible ankle injury a few years ago I can't heel & toe anymore.
It’s great to watch this after getting a GTI 40th Anniversary edition based on the S with DCC. For 33K!! Totally agreed that in the 40s might as well go R
I bought a '19 Golf Alltrack SEL 6MT brand new in 2020. Did a stage 1 on it, 30% tint, some nice Neuspeed wheels with reasonable size spacers. It's the best, seriously underrated. AWD, fast and fun enough to not be a bore, manual trans, and a full size wagon. I can sleep in the back of it comfortably! I might go all in on an IS38 at some point. Basically a baby RS6 at that point, but with a manual.
@@GottaGoOutside In case you ever want to get some, I have 18x8 Neuspeed RSE-12 (45 offset) with 235x45 tires - the spacers are 11mm front, 16mm rear and it's dead on perfect.
So now the question is where does a bare bones GTI stack up? It’s lighter, it’s cheaper, and I believe you may even get some physical controls back? Hope you guys do a comparo with that GTI. Either way, great video as always!
Stack up in terms of what? I believe the base S does get a manual knob on the radio. Is it a better value? Depends what you’re looking for out of the car. The R is a completely different animal though if you plan to use it closer to the limit.
I have a S dsg for 31k I’ll buy exhaust wheels tune. Huge savings. The R is close to 60 with markups. There’s a lot of vehicles I would buy for 50 and 60 they wouldn’t be a R
Nürburgring mode is just race, guys. Why overanalyze it? Soft suspension, go mode for everything else makes tons of sense for every day fun driving. You guys are trolls on this one!
The Ring covers all types of corners, surfaces and speeds. So if it will work there, it will cover 90% of tracks and mountain roads. If you have driven the Ring, then you know….
It’s not going to compete in a drift competition but it can actually sustain a slide. It just doesn’t oversteer and bounce back immediately. I feel you that it’s not truly authentic but it’s a fwd based car so… Check out throttle house’s video. Tom is a track instructor and shows what it can do. He loves the mode. It’s also great in snow/ice races but I suppose that’s a tangent :P
I hate that the clubsport has more of an enthusiast look. Do love the R though overall. Should also have a sunroof delete option though. I hate sunroofs. R and GR86 are probably my 2 favorite enthusiast cars. But i think i’d still choose the GR86 over the R unless i needed the more daily friendly option
Great video guys! Loved my Lapiz Blue Mk7, and just like you said I would have bought another one. However, the potholes and steel plates and general nastiness of in-town Atlanta roads led me to a better hot hatch solution for me, a 2018 Macan, the "long travel" hot hatch!
I really, really wanted a Golf R for the performance and AWD. The dealership gleefully told me there would be a $10,000 markup over MSRP, I couldn’t get the DCCT, and I had to settle for whatever color they sent me. I went across the street to the Subaru dealer and ordered a WRX GT instead, at MSRP. Sure, I took a hit on performance, but saved myself about $15,000 and got exactly what I wanted. VW can kiss it. …still, the R is an awesome car…
I wouldn't go Subaru per say but am in the same situation where they can't even promise a DSG at least in whatever color and thats why even if I pay more it wouldn't be for a vw knowing their suck system I'm thinking a Ionic 5 dual motor 🤔 👀 😏 gas money goes to payment
Thats odd mine is letting me pick whatever I want at MRSP as long as I don't care about waiting for a while. Subie is actually why I went VW the two dealerships around me both fucked me around.
Yeah, looks like infotainment systems are setup in a static mockup, by people without even a drivers license. And then right before start of production, they go "oh, the person using the touchscreen actually has to drive?"
You guys are kinda wrong about comparing the value of the GTI and the R. Making it seem like the GTI starts at 40k. Yes that’s the Autobahn, and not much people opt for that trim anyways. This generation’s S (base) model is the most equipped it’s ever been and starts at 30k. Autobahn only gets you Adaptive suspension, headlights, sunroof, leather and different wheels. Most buyers go for the base this time around especially since it comes with the plaid seats and has buttons on the infotainment for the whiners. 2023 base models will even start coming with the SE and Autobahn headlights.
Reviewers: Android Auto and Apple Carplay should be standard features in any car built today. Also reviewers: OMG I had to make a single press on a touch screen at eye level in order to change the fan speed, we're all gonna die in a fiery crash!! 😲
Because of the infotainment system I decided to buy a 2019 MK 7.5 golf r Which has a fantastic infotainment system the acceleration of the golf r doesn’t compare to the GTI
Infotainment fine, there are pull down shortcuts. Problem for us Canadians, we have ordered the R, but have been waiting for almost 2 years, forced to take a GTi instead.....
I have a Golf 7.5 R and recently got the 2022 i30 N. I am not buying any more Golf R until the VW change to a more creative design. This 8 R in reality looks like any other car on the street. I had the Golf vr6 4 motion and then Mk5 R32 and Mk6 GTI. The MK 8 is not matching the creative design of other hot hatches. Until then I will continue to love my 7.5 R.
@@Mikey-tg8ns it is the best indeed. 🤙🏻. Agree. Still prefer my 7.5 looks though. Maybe I will change my opinion once I see some being driven around in Australia
These things are like 85k in Australia !!!! might as well get a low kms Rs3 that actually has some character and personality thanks to that 5 cylinder.
@@AntFragale not gonna lie Rs3 isn't the most engaging/ driver's car out there but the sound it makes is a masterpiece ! This freaking mk8 sounds same if not worse than a cheap old mk5 gti
Seems “drift mode” and “launch control” are marketing tools for sales that are maybe used once or twice during ownership but totally useless for a fun daily driving…
Long time, multi GTI owner......I cannot get my head around the new UI :(, even though this Golf R with at trick rear drive is awesome. Thinking of just spending money on updating my Mk7 suspension.
@@93455Driver yeah I'm hoping they do that as well. Seems like they are great cats otherwise. I would also like they to bring back things like the gas struts for the hood and improve other areas where they cheapest out.
@@craigyBow for sure. Dyno results show it’s closer to about 340bhp and once tunes come out, preliminary tests show it to be in the mid 400’s very easily. The DSG also got upgraded clutches in it compared to the 7’s variant despite being the same fundamental transmission. Launch control ensures zero slippage during acceleration and unless you must have a manual (I get it, my trans am is 6sp) the DSG is just a far better performer. Fits the car perfectly.
Ok…I’m not sure why a drift mode test is done from a standing still like you’re just trying to do a donut. That was… incredibly weird to base your review off of. Literally no other reviewer, track driver, or anyone has done that. It’s certainly not a magic mode that turns your golf into a rwd muscle car or something but it can certainly do a lot more then you’re showing. Of course it doesn’t know you want to drift. You’re not even moving yet. Also really disappointed you jumped on the “hats to adjust fan speed” type of argument. “Your eyes are off the road for at least 5s.” That is complete and utter hyperbole. Not even remotely true. Even with buttons you glance at least for a fraction of a second to make sure your finger goes to that specific button. This is no different at all, assuming you’re not just using auto which is even easier. It’s literally two presses. It can be done very quickly and very easily. It’s totally fine to prefer buttons, like I get that. But this is blown way out of proportion. It takes as long to “look” for the button as it does to glance to see the name of an artist of a song playing.
We hope you noticed that both guys started their drift section from a stop to see what the car would do, and then proceeded to do multiple passes and attempts at speed. The drift assessment was not based on a donut start. And we understand that anyone can get used to the touch screen interface. But they do take long to interact with than buttons, and studies are being done to demonstrate that. We shall see what VW decides to do. Thanks for watching.
@@TestDriveVideos appreciate the reply. Yes they did some tests “at speed”… greater than zero but it was still just a mild turn around. All I’m saying is that if they took it to a proper track and actually took a corner with it, it would absolutely feel more tail happy. Again it’s not going to win any drift competitions and I know the drivers understand what the car is but, I just think it’s a little presumptuous to call it a gimmick or just a marketing ploy. It does in fact induce quite a lot of oversteer, especially compared to the previous gen. I’d argue they don’t take longer to interact with. What studies are you referring to? They have a learning curve absolutely. Much like was said in the video with the phone analogy. But how does a press on a screen take longer than a press on a button? When I want the car cooler, I just make a tap or two below the screen. It’s very simple. Again, I get the appeal of physical buttons for some. They’re tried and true. But it’s just tiring to get reviews on them and their functionality when the people aren’t owners. They don’t use it day in and out. They’re not used to it. Like when (not you guys) the copious amount of people berated the design for being extremely convoluted to turn ESC off when it’s really one swipe away. Or turning heated seats on when it’s literally one press away, etc. At full familiarity, I’d wager it’s no easier or harder than older designs.
@@TestDriveVideos I was just wondering, after putting it into drift mode, did they go back into traction control and turn it off completely? Because it’s not completely off just by only putting it into drift mode.
The Focus RS drift mode is "better" than the Golf R. Drifts are easier to do in the RS, but it still doesn't feel quite right. Both are forcing a FWD platform to execute a RWD characteristic. Thanks for watching!
@@TestDriveVideos Hi guys - loved this video; in theory, should we expect the GR Corolla to exhibit similar FWD-platform characteristics in its “Sport” mode, which uses a difference in gearing like the Focus RS to induce RWD “bias”?
@@petertoronto5487 IIRC the torque split Toyota used in the GR Yaris was more flexible - may be a mode that sends most of the power to the rear. If the Corolla gets that option, it may behave differently.
Okay seriously with the infotainment, drama queens...? After owning mine for over 3 months, I'm not looking back to all the physical buttons. Oh! And BTW, you forgot to mention, voice-activated commands. This is the safest and easiest to use car I've ever owned. End of the day... If you can't accept that you can't getting past using the old Blackberry, then it's not for you. But sorry to tell you, ALL auto companies are trending toward the nonphysical buttons. Good luck! 👍
@@Mikey-tg8ns Oh I get it. And they have every right to do it. And I have every right to flash a huge middle finger at them. reminds me of when Hurricane Katrina was bearing down on the Gulf Coast and a $18 4 x 8 piece of plywood suddenly jumped over $200.
Had an '08 R32 and loved it...My local VW dealer (from whom I've bought about 10 cars over the past 15 years) knows I want a Golf R and called to "offer" me a black 6spd VW company demo with about 3K miles (and probably hammered by the press) for "JUST" $50K...the nerve! Hard pass.
I've always really liked the Golf R, and it was a finalist when I was considering a new daily back in 2018. Never did get one then and probably wouldn't now simply because of the infotainment system. If they managed to fix that, I'd take another look at it if/when shopping for a new daily car that is also fun (separate from a fun, weekend car).
I haven’t watched the vid yet but if you have questions about the infotainment, let me know. I can almost guarantee this video is going to make something seem way harder than it really is. There’s shortcuts all over the interface.
@@AntFragale Thanks, but not needed right now. My wife just picked up a 2007 Saturn Sky for her fun, weekend car and I just bought a 2022 Camaro 2SS 1LE for a weekend car for myself, and we already have a 2021 Honda Ridgeline for a "daily" (we both work from home so none of the cars gets driven much). By the time we're in the market for a new daily vehicle, I'm sure the market will have drastically changed.
@@saviordream oo a sky? Haven’t heard about one of those in a while haha. Cool though, nice pick ups. The Camaro is a great car to be honest. Really solid chassis.
What does this all matter when the car is going to have carbon build up issues on the intake valves for lack of port injection. Why does no one mention this? Completely clueless about some of the most important issues.
The big problem with the golf R is the dealer markups. All dealers in my city were asking a $10k markup on the Golf R. Which pushes it to a $55-57k car. Which is ludicrous to be honest.
I was interested in one, but they were askin $56,000 for a 6 speed. That did it in for me.
VW dealer experience is terrible, not worth investing into
We all should invest our money on Hyundai and Genesis in this price case 😉
Also there is no DSG in California and doubt it all manual buyers would pay over sticker anyway
My lease is up March 2023 and by then or after extending it if my DSG and 20 years anniversary model be available I would pay $46750 for it otherwise I'm hoping the Hyundai Ionic 5 N would arrive because that should be a revolutionary car again to spice up the hatchback market.
Also the upcoming Audi A6 Etron becoming a hatchback is so awesome
@@Mikey-tg8ns indeed and I'm sure the N lines of ionic will handle like Champ 🏆 💪
Exactly. I ended up having to go for an M240i instead due to the crazy markups and forced options at the VW dealer.
Totally disagree with the infotainments critics. You operate when your at stand still, put everything on auto and go. Tweaks while driving are done via wheel controls, shortcuts (set in advance) or voice control. Nothing complicated here. You never have to dig into menus while driving, you never do that in any car as far as I know !
Just put it in Nurburgring and smile... love my 2022 manual - no issues with infotainment and no issues period!
lol, yeah right. Just google "mk8 R issues", VWVortex forums or "Golf R Gremlins", VWroc forums, pages and more pages of system issues.
Enjoy bud
The real issue is that Golf Rs are being marked up to $65k in the northeast….I have a ton of choices at that price point.
woooo way to expansive
EVERYTHING is being marked up. It depends on how much. Sorry but this is the way the auto market is right now. Either wait it out or shop around or don't. Just depends on if it's worth it for you. Even I bought mine with a $5k markup and zero regrets.
Might as well get a RS3!!! Don’t buy over 42K the RS3 is 53k so 10k mark up is a RS3 even the 5k mark will not make it worth it. 47k-52k is way to much for a golf with horrible infotainment! M2 is really close too.
That’s beyond belief. We are living in bizarro world.
@@MRDARRENGER There are some dealers that don't mark up new car prices, yes even for the Golf R and Audi RS3.
Dealers would stop doing this if people didn't actually pay it. So, do yourself and everyone else a favor - don't ever buy a marked up car. Buy from a dealer that doesn't mark up, and pay to have it shipped to you, or just fly out there and drive the car back home. I've done this (ie shipped it) and it was a lot easier and cheaper than I anticipated.
I've purchased many VW's in my life with the last being an '88 Scirocco 16V. Three decades later, that '88 16V still remains as my favorite
I went for the base GTI due to the outrageous markups on the R in my area. Happy with the decision as the base is really well equipped and the suspension without DCC is already good. No issues at all with infotainment so far either but could see how not having knobs in higher trims could be annoying
The ‘Ring mode wasn’t designed just for that gargantuan track, it’s designed for driving fast on any imperfect road.
I'm waiting for a Golf R vs GR Corolla vs Civic TypeR comparison
The infotainment is definitely very different from anything else going on in cars right now. It's designed to use a lot of shortcuts, living with it, using voice controls and not putzing with it while you drive haha. it's awesome when you live with it. Also, the Golf R series even the R32, has always been designed to be subtle. For the Mk8 being subtle, it's still the flashiest of the R's to date.
Vioce controls, like - Call work - Navigating to Anchorage
I have 2017 mk7 stage 2 setup, these cars can make redicklous power and be crazy fast. That EA888 motor is a work of art. DSG is beast as well.
#facts - fellow Mk7 Stage 2 owner & lover ❤✌🍻😎
Work of art?, engineering marvel I would say, they take a beating all day and the more you give them, the better they run (as long as all other maintenance boxes are met: timing chain, tensioner at around 110k, fresh oil every 3-4k, dsg fluids every 40k, walnut carbon cleaning every 80k)
Is true there was a hiccup in the mk5/mk6 version, but all that has been resolved.
I have opened them up at junk yards, drivers have let them run starved in oil, cylinder head is toast, but the crank and rods are unmolested, not a scar.
How many miles and is the mk7 still holding up well? Looking at the R in next few months since they are back to $45-50k now near me.
That drift mode exists because unfortunately half of the world is a marketing exercise nowadays.
I have the same infotainment system in my 2021 VW ID.4 and love it. Granted, I live in the fiery low deserts of California and it's hot AF right now so I have the "Clima" set to 72 degrees and "Auto" so that invokes only A/C and Recirculation. Never have to touch it. For the Audio, I use the haptic steering wheel controls and they work well. Easy to use and super intuitive for me, but I can't speak for everybody.
I have an 8R and I do the same thing. My infotainment is completely lag and trouble free. It’s given me no issues and I think it’s great. Everything is responsive and you don’t need to look at anything really. It’s clean.
Reading this makes me happy. I have a Golf R on order and my only worry is the infotainment system. I've been driving VW for over 25 years now and the salesman I've dealt with all this time says he got used to the new infotainment interface quite quickly in whatever his dealer-provided car is. And the fact that I'm pushing 60 means that it's pretty much set it and leave it there for the next few years.
@@mikenb3461 don’t stress about it man, seriously. If you have any specific questions I’ll gladly answer them but for me as far as climate is concerned, I legit just set it to a temp and it makes it comfortable for me. Changing temps is quick and simple and no menu needs selected. Really isn’t something that fights you.
Everyone will get used to it rapidly
Enjoy your EV . I'm waiting on the GTX or a Golf R 2023 updated version here in Los Angeles
@@modernbride Yes, I would love to replace my GTI with an ID3 GTX. I don't believe they are bringing to the US though.
Drove this on the Nurburgring last weekend. Excellent car!
I believe you bc you spelt Nuremberg correctly
They need to offer the akrapovich exhaust in North America.
Good luck getting one for 45… I'm seeing some for as much as 65 such a bad deal
That infotainment should be called "The widow maker"
I'm glad I purchased a 2019 R with DSC, navigation and a third pedal. It's a fun car to drive that includes a 7 year factory warranty with dealer maintenance. Thanks for the ride!
U got taken for a ride with that warranty.
How so?
@@davereiland9921 cause dealers buy the same warranty you can buy from a 3rd party (the manufacturer doesn’t sell the warranty) for about double the price. It’s one of the top ways they make profit. Never buy it from them. If u want a warranty get it directly from the supplier
@@AB-nv7bz he said it’s a factory warranty. I take it you’ve never been in the business.
@@davereiland9921 cpo don’t offer 7 year warranties. He said factory because they told him it’s the same coverage as a factory warranty. It’s not from vw.
Dealer maintenance is usually a good deal though but make sure ur actually getting all the maintenance and not just oil changes.
I never understand why more manufacturers don't use a wheel aswell as a touch screen, like BMW and Mercedes aswell as some others. Its a cheap effective solution. It works so well while driving.
If Honda built an AWD “Golf R” by giving SH-AWD to their 306hp Civic Hatchback, then it would probably cost $45,000 to $50,000 MSRP. By not offering an 10speed automatic option or AWD option for the Type R they are giving up market share.
This why Toyota’s GR Corolla AWD is so exciting. The 250hp Mazda Mazda3 Turbo AWD Hatch was a step in the right direction but expensive. Subaru has already abandoned the AWD Hatchback segment by killing their WRX and STi.
The GR Corolla is so low-production that it may as well not even exist. Which is a huge bummer.
Reminder: Most people complaining about the price of this car (and infotainment) have not driven nor bought it.
Very true. I love mine.
@@AntFragale As do I, once you're adjusted to the infotainment it's easy enough to use
That's a bit of a lame excuse. All older cars I've driven were easy to use and with no adjustments needed
@@grigorioschristodoulou5229 It's not an excuse at all. Journalists and influencers are complaining about VW using haptics and the new MIB interface, but saying nothing about Audi (using the same system with different graphics), BMW, and Mercedes adopting the same tech. It's nice that all the old cars you've driven haven't had a learning curve, but the MK8 Golf is brand new. My point is, it's easy for people who have limited seat time with a car to form a negative opinion, as opposed to someone who lives with one every day. Not saying MIB3 is perfect, but its not nearly as bad as most people claim.
@@grigorioschristodoulou5229 lame excuse? It’s completely fair. That’s like complaining when the iPhone came out because it’s new tech and saying “well none of my other blackberries needed any relearning!” Of course not, they had minimal tech and the same button style used for decades.
The system is intuitive and has many shortcuts to alleviate or circumvent much of the hassle reviewers make up to make it seem more convoluted than it is. It’s dishonest. It’s not without fault or perfect but I can do anything in that car easily. It’s like when every reviewer under the sun made it sound like turning off ESC was an act of congress when it’s actually one swipe away. They just don’t understand it and don’t even try to.
Great review. I am glad to see VW keeping the hot hatch alive especially seeing the Veloster N is no more. If we are only going to have 2 versions of the Golf so glad it is the GTI and the R. I am also very happy to see VW still offer the R in a 6-speed manual. Bravo VW!
@@Mikey-tg8ns Agreed! For some, they will not realize how good it is until it is gone.
Lol. The criticism from those who never buy new predictably present here. "I totally would have bought the last current manual hot hatch I've always wanted new, but it doesn't come with ". Excuse example - it's not brown, not a wagon, the drift mode I would never use doesn't work. Then they wonder why Ford doesn't sell them in North America.
I bought one last year (and I paid just the MSRP). The drift mode works much better if you disable the traction control under the brakes menu. But it still doesn’t act as a real rear traction.
A couple simple questions. Does the golf r 22/23 have remote start? Does the golf r 22/23 has power folding mirrors when car locks? Does the golf r 22/23 auto lock when you walk away from the car?
@@MrRenobaseballyes to all except power food mirrors offered on 24+ models
You have to put ESC OFF completely to drift it, you had it in ESC SPORT.
That's what I was thinking as I just watched.It took me a while to figure out the quickest way to disengage ESC fully the first time I did some launches after 1 k miles.
Paid 31k otd for my gti S. I’m happy with the amount of money I saved. You will never find a R for 45k now
46500 USD is the cheapest one I can find with DSG. I ordered 2022 MK8 GTI S with DSG in King's Red with a few options ...just under 33k. I had Mk7 R DSG before,( bought it brand new on sale for 37k USD, and I am tempted for this new R. The price is just too much for a small hatch.
I got tired of Nannie’s I couldn’t turn off. Loved my Mk7 GTI but they lost me here.
Can we all agree that it won't be long before they discontinue great cars like this because poor sales related to supply chain issues and extremely egregious dealer markups? Nobody is asking for a discount or a free car...we just want to pay MSRP. Being quoted $10k-$15k as a markup feels like robbery and in the end everyone loses when car stealerships cause the death of all the cars we love. Essentially "this is why we can't have nice things".
I'm expecting an 8.5 R to be it. After that it will be too close to these electric mandates going on in various western countries. So maybe a 2026 golf R will be the last year?
I always liked the Golf style, I had a ‘02 manual, my first new car… But if I was in the market for a car in that group, I’d probably go for the WRX.
Watching Todd’s hair sway in drift mode. 😂
Since the 'Ring is a rougher track, does the "special" mode make it a good California backroad mode?
Absolutely it does. Special mode has higher shift points, higher idle, doesn’t auto upshift in manual mode (DSG things obviously) and is essentially in race on everything but suspension. That’s softer and it’s a wonderful mode for cruising backroads. It’s a favorite amongst the owners for sure.
I like the idea of the all the race tracks settings. It can be done, golfers have different course gps settings with slopes, courses, distance to hole ect programmed in so why not a specialized track mode for every course.
That’s exactly why I went with the MK8 R. Spending $41,000 for a GTI is a hard pill to swallow. Especially if you live where it snows a lot and love the 0-60 mph acceleration the R is the way to go
And also the reason many of us that have a Mk8 probably bought a base trim. $31k for the base GTI seems like a solid price
@@stories1984 Yes that seems like a solid idea. I had a 2015 GTI SE back in the day. Bought it with 11k miles for $22,000 but that was a long time ago
Love my 8R as well. AWD was a must for me and it’s a much stronger foundation when tunes and mods start to become available.
@@AntFragale Yup I’m done with spinning second gear and wheel hop haha
@@mqbr22 yeah that would be so frustrating. It’s one thing to spin from excess power (though still inefficient) but it’s another to be subjected to physics that fight against you lol.
Thanks for another great episode! Damn, the new car price is seriously out of control. For 44k 3 years ago, you can reach a bmw 340 base model.
VW is increasing the price here in Canada.
I WISH reviewers would "get over" the Infotainment Center! I love it! I'm a tech guy, and I give it a solid "thumbs up." There is no single user interface -- or, for that matter, "set of controls" -- that everybody is going to love.
I think its real purpose is to give people who would die for an "R" -- but can't afford it -- a face-saving excuse not to buy it.
This interface is available in the GTI, the ID4, and other VW product. We’ve experienced it many times and it remains slow and cumbersome to use, but looks great. Thanks for watching.
I agree, all these reviewers are all on the bandwagon of dismissing the car over the infotainment and act like it’s a “deal breaker. Enthusiasts don’t really give a shit when it comes to things like that in a performance car and it’s not the worst thing ever, there are shortcut buttons and it’s customizable.
@@g_p_3431 they didn't dismiss the car.....
@@Mikey-tg8ns Experience drivers have been drifting cars since the beginning of time. This is nothing new. There was a time when these vehicles did not have your "Nurburgring modes" or whatever you want to call them. A true "drifter" knows how to bypass all this overly complicated nonsense although I do understand that technology brings some safety measures built into the components.
@@Mikey-tg8nsMy understanding of the review is for informational purposes for people who might be potential buyers. They are saying that if you were a buyer thinking of using the car for "drifting" (especially since the car has a 'drift mode'), here is our take. I don't see it as any more complicated than that.
"Clima" is climate in German... kind of like Volkswagen translates to the people's car.
Rounding the corner at 17:17 .....that was close!
And at 7:51 I was like, "Paul, the road!" till I realized he was pulling over.
😆 I saw that too! Front right wheel probably holding on by the nub on the tire.
This is the review I've been waiting for. Nice job guys! Will there be a RS3 video in the future?
Cool car but good luck finding one and it being anywhere close to 44k. I went to two different dealers and was told 10-15k over msrp when they finally get one. With a gti autobahn 6spd you can at least get one for msrp
i agree, they glossed over this part when comparing prices. i can actually go get a GTI autobahn for $40k. i cannot for the life of me just go and get a Golf R for MSRP. Availability matters.
Typical reviewer oversimplification and inability to look at these things from real world buyer perspectives. I mean, they even got the MSRP to MSRP price difference wrong, which is more like $5.6k rather than 4-5k. If anyone wants to send me six thousand dollars because it's an immaterial of money (which is the price difference in the first year after taking into account the price difference between 87 and premium fuel) I'm happy to provide my Venmo. 😛
Man I only recently found out you guys in the US get fucked on MSRP. Here in Canada, I'm going to pay just about $41,500USD for this car. And that includes front PPF, lifetime windshield chip repair, battery heater (Canada is cold) and the muddy buddy mats all around.
And that's for the DSG. 6spd is about $1000 USD less.
These guys are the best. They are real and know what they are talking about!!!!
Honestly, the most frustrating thing about "drift mode" in FWD-based systems is that, if they really wanted to send it, they could beef up the AWD clutch pack and rear diff, and allow more than 50% of torque to go rearward, but in reality it's all just marketing.
Haldex awd can't bypass driving the front wheels. Clutch pack and rear diff aren't the limiting factor. Longitudinal vs horizontally opposed drivetrain..
@@sean1735 its a Borg Warner differential, MK8 Golf R doesn't use Haldex
@@malikcbarnett It’s Magna, actually. BW owns Haldex.
And OP, it’s not really just marketing. The mode does what it says. Perhaps “oversteer” mode would be more akin to your liking but it does indeed bias the rear inner wheel more than it otherwise would which does in-fact allow it to oversteer and slide quite well. It’s not just a gimmick, it’s just a fun option that is actually fairly track capable if managed well.
Agreed do you own one ? I have a manual mk8 and with esc “off” in drift it’s a blast no it doesn’t get fully sideways but close enough. It’s pretending to be RWD but I’ve driven the RS ford and I prefer this 🤷♂️
Tuned GTI is amazing 🤩
I wish they’d make the R styling much more unique. Especially the interior. I get theyre targeting a “mature” crowd but it’s so bland all over. The R deserves to be special.
Then paint a racing stripe on your R
Take one look from behind and you know it’s special. The quad pipes and diffuser are bad ass. The seats are possibly most comfortable on any car I have driven. The massive drilled breaks. There is enough special to those that need to know. It’s why it’s such an awesome car. These sell themselves. No test drives. Just give credit card number. Run to get the one available. Drive home with massive smile.
Great review. The dash is hideous imho, and I can only imagine the cost if, and when, anything goes wrong with it. I am on my third VW so am not a VW hater.
You make so many good points no other reviewer covers!
Has trouble finding a reason for the R over the GTI.... hint: drive them in the snow
I never thought I'd say this but I wish it had rev matching. As someone who has only bought manuals in the last 30 years & suffered a terrible ankle injury a few years ago I can't heel & toe anymore.
now then.... if only you could find one..... good luck
It’s great to watch this after getting a GTI 40th Anniversary edition based on the S with DCC. For 33K!! Totally agreed that in the 40s might as well go R
I bought a '19 Golf Alltrack SEL 6MT brand new in 2020. Did a stage 1 on it, 30% tint, some nice Neuspeed wheels with reasonable size spacers. It's the best, seriously underrated. AWD, fast and fun enough to not be a bore, manual trans, and a full size wagon. I can sleep in the back of it comfortably! I might go all in on an IS38 at some point. Basically a baby RS6 at that point, but with a manual.
I have the exact same vehicle/spec, w/o the spacers. SEL IS a baby Audi!
@@GottaGoOutside In case you ever want to get some, I have 18x8 Neuspeed RSE-12 (45 offset) with 235x45 tires - the spacers are 11mm front, 16mm rear and it's dead on perfect.
@@AndrewBeveridge461 Thanks but I think I'll pass on the wheels. My SEL is the first car I've purchased in years that I won't change the wheels on.
@@GottaGoOutside yeah the stock Canyons look pretty nice. I wanted something a different color though.
So now the question is where does a bare bones GTI stack up? It’s lighter, it’s cheaper, and I believe you may even get some physical controls back? Hope you guys do a comparo with that GTI. Either way, great video as always!
Stack up in terms of what? I believe the base S does get a manual knob on the radio. Is it a better value? Depends what you’re looking for out of the car. The R is a completely different animal though if you plan to use it closer to the limit.
I have a S dsg for 31k I’ll buy exhaust wheels tune. Huge savings. The R is close to 60 with markups. There’s a lot of vehicles I would buy for 50 and 60 they wouldn’t be a R
one thing to note is the mpg difference. the GTI uses regular gas and gets about 6 to7 mpg better which could be like 5K less over 100K miles.
Nürburgring mode is just race, guys. Why overanalyze it? Soft suspension, go mode for everything else makes tons of sense for every day fun driving. You guys are trolls on this one!
You guys are spot on!!! Hilarious review! Thanks
The Ring covers all types of corners, surfaces and speeds. So if it will work there, it will cover 90% of tracks and mountain roads. If you have driven the Ring, then you know….
We’ve driven the ring many times. In fact we lead a trip and take drivers every year. Thanks for watching!
Snow tires
That drift mode is like for someone who doesn't know what drifting is, and the sensation of oversteer and a little tire squeal is a "drift"
It’s not going to compete in a drift competition but it can actually sustain a slide. It just doesn’t oversteer and bounce back immediately. I feel you that it’s not truly authentic but it’s a fwd based car so…
Check out throttle house’s video. Tom is a track instructor and shows what it can do. He loves the mode. It’s also great in snow/ice races but I suppose that’s a tangent :P
I hate that the clubsport has more of an enthusiast look. Do love the R though overall. Should also have a sunroof delete option though. I hate sunroofs. R and GR86 are probably my 2 favorite enthusiast cars. But i think i’d still choose the GR86 over the R unless i needed the more daily friendly option
Great video guys! Loved my Lapiz Blue Mk7, and just like you said I would have bought another one. However, the potholes and steel plates and general nastiness of in-town Atlanta roads led me to a better hot hatch solution for me, a 2018 Macan, the "long travel" hot hatch!
Would you have ever chose the BMW X3 or X5 as a “long travel hot hatch”?
🤔 It’s also double the price
@@SilverScarletSpider Yes to the X3. My wife had an X5 and that is a bit too big for the slightly taller hot hatch feel.
@@JacesOwnWorld Agreed if new and not a base model! A 2018 base model with CPO got to my mid $40K budget.
Lol, 45 grand, you Americans have it easy… in the Netherlands the Golf R is 70k plus depending on options, and that’s euro’s…
I bought the 7.5 Rabbit edition and paid $36k for it due to how rare it is and love it
I really, really wanted a Golf R for the performance and AWD. The dealership gleefully told me there would be a $10,000 markup over MSRP, I couldn’t get the DCCT, and I had to settle for whatever color they sent me. I went across the street to the Subaru dealer and ordered a WRX GT instead, at MSRP. Sure, I took a hit on performance, but saved myself about $15,000 and got exactly what I wanted. VW can kiss it. …still, the R is an awesome car…
I wouldn't go Subaru per say but am in the same situation where they can't even promise a DSG at least in whatever color and thats why even if I pay more it wouldn't be for a vw knowing their suck system
I'm thinking a Ionic 5 dual motor 🤔 👀 😏 gas money goes to payment
Thats odd mine is letting me pick whatever I want at MRSP as long as I don't care about waiting for a while. Subie is actually why I went VW the two dealerships around me both fucked me around.
@@morbidgull8922 which dealer? Name city and state please 🙏
@@modernbride oh that might be the issue I’m Canadian.
@@morbidgull8922 yes completely different system and pricing for the dealers .
Thanks Mate
Sometimes I wonder if anyone at the companies actually DRIVES the cars first
Yeah, looks like infotainment systems are setup in a static mockup, by people without even a drivers license. And then right before start of production, they go "oh, the person using the touchscreen actually has to drive?"
I can’t find a Golf R anywhere in this country. And these guys say you can buy it now. WHERE?!
I always enjoy a drive up the cottonwood canyons.
Thanks for the review!
ME: Golf R mk7.5 Stg 2 IE ecu, intercooler, injen cold air, ie inlet and downpipe, nue speed exhust, BOV...my R is wicked fast.
No thanks. Hate the clutch and shifter. You think its acceptable ? I do not. Was in the car 3 weeks ago. Very unimpressed.
You guys are kinda wrong about comparing the value of the GTI and the R. Making it seem like the GTI starts at 40k. Yes that’s the Autobahn, and not much people opt for that trim anyways. This generation’s S (base) model is the most equipped it’s ever been and starts at 30k. Autobahn only gets you Adaptive suspension, headlights, sunroof, leather and different wheels. Most buyers go for the base this time around especially since it comes with the plaid seats and has buttons on the infotainment for the whiners. 2023 base models will even start coming with the SE and Autobahn headlights.
Sorry but you can't have a drift mode and no manual hand brake.
Reviewers: Android Auto and Apple Carplay should be standard features in any car built today.
Also reviewers: OMG I had to make a single press on a touch screen at eye level in order to change the fan speed, we're all gonna die in a fiery crash!! 😲
Because of the infotainment system I decided to buy a 2019 MK 7.5 golf r Which has a fantastic infotainment system the acceleration of the golf r doesn’t compare to the GTI
Infotainment fine, there are pull down shortcuts. Problem for us Canadians, we have ordered the R, but have been waiting for almost 2 years, forced to take a GTi instead.....
Its just too bad you can't get one if you want one, they barely import any of these every year
I have a Golf 7.5 R and recently got the 2022 i30 N. I am not buying any more Golf R until the VW change to a more creative design. This 8 R in reality looks like any other car on the street.
I had the Golf vr6 4 motion and then Mk5 R32 and Mk6 GTI. The MK 8 is not matching the creative design of other hot hatches. Until then I will continue to love my 7.5 R.
@@Mikey-tg8ns it is the best indeed. 🤙🏻. Agree. Still prefer my 7.5 looks though. Maybe I will change my opinion once I see some being driven around in Australia
You dont need DCC. Get the base GTI with the DSG.
I need a manual to have fun
These things are like 85k in Australia !!!! might as well get a low kms Rs3 that actually has some character and personality thanks to that 5 cylinder.
Ironically many think the RS3 is even more bland. The engine is wonderful but everything else is tasteless. So I’m told anyway.
@@AntFragale not gonna lie Rs3 isn't the most engaging/ driver's car out there but the sound it makes is a masterpiece ! This freaking mk8 sounds same if not worse than a cheap old mk5 gti
@@thatpersiandude7386 I had MK5 GTi...trust me the new MK8 GTi is on a different planet better .
In Aus they desperate to now get rid of them lol can now get $65k on road
You have to turn off Traction Control AND ESC when you go to Drift Mode.
Seems “drift mode” and “launch control” are marketing tools for sales that are maybe used once or twice during ownership but totally useless for a fun daily driving…
Can someone please tell me the name of this road? I will appreciate it 🙏
Long time, multi GTI owner......I cannot get my head around the new UI :(, even though this Golf R with at trick rear drive is awesome. Thinking of just spending money on updating my Mk7 suspension.
I have seen a few review shat say the mk 7 is better. Also factor in the cost cutting and such.....im wainting on mk9 to replace my mk 7.
@@KC-lg8qf Maybe they do what Honda did and speed up the mid gen update, an 8.5 with better UI (knobs and buttons) and the R would be awesome.
@@93455Driver yeah I'm hoping they do that as well. Seems like they are great cats otherwise. I would also like they to bring back things like the gas struts for the hood and improve other areas where they cheapest out.
@@KC-lg8qf Agreed. Currently thinking about sway bars for my Mk7 or just going to a different brand......had my 7 for 5 years, been great.
brilliant review as I have come to expect from you guys. Did you get the chance to try the DSG, and what did you think of it?
If you have a specific question about the DSG, let me know. Mine has it.
@@AntFragale thanks for the reply. I was just thinking with 300 bhp+ that DSG may be a better option for ultimate control at speed.
I have a DSG R, and I feel like it’s the right transmission for the car, it really is an impressive transmission
@@craigyBow for sure. Dyno results show it’s closer to about 340bhp and once tunes come out, preliminary tests show it to be in the mid 400’s very easily. The DSG also got upgraded clutches in it compared to the 7’s variant despite being the same fundamental transmission. Launch control ensures zero slippage during acceleration and unless you must have a manual (I get it, my trans am is 6sp) the DSG is just a far better performer. Fits the car perfectly.
Ok…I’m not sure why a drift mode test is done from a standing still like you’re just trying to do a donut. That was… incredibly weird to base your review off of. Literally no other reviewer, track driver, or anyone has done that. It’s certainly not a magic mode that turns your golf into a rwd muscle car or something but it can certainly do a lot more then you’re showing. Of course it doesn’t know you want to drift. You’re not even moving yet.
Also really disappointed you jumped on the “hats to adjust fan speed” type of argument. “Your eyes are off the road for at least 5s.” That is complete and utter hyperbole. Not even remotely true. Even with buttons you glance at least for a fraction of a second to make sure your finger goes to that specific button. This is no different at all, assuming you’re not just using auto which is even easier. It’s literally two presses. It can be done very quickly and very easily. It’s totally fine to prefer buttons, like I get that. But this is blown way out of proportion. It takes as long to “look” for the button as it does to glance to see the name of an artist of a song playing.
We hope you noticed that both guys started their drift section from a stop to see what the car would do, and then proceeded to do multiple passes and attempts at speed. The drift assessment was not based on a donut start.
And we understand that anyone can get used to the touch screen interface. But they do take long to interact with than buttons, and studies are being done to demonstrate that. We shall see what VW decides to do. Thanks for watching.
@@TestDriveVideos appreciate the reply. Yes they did some tests “at speed”… greater than zero but it was still just a mild turn around. All I’m saying is that if they took it to a proper track and actually took a corner with it, it would absolutely feel more tail happy. Again it’s not going to win any drift competitions and I know the drivers understand what the car is but, I just think it’s a little presumptuous to call it a gimmick or just a marketing ploy. It does in fact induce quite a lot of oversteer, especially compared to the previous gen.
I’d argue they don’t take longer to interact with. What studies are you referring to? They have a learning curve absolutely. Much like was said in the video with the phone analogy. But how does a press on a screen take longer than a press on a button? When I want the car cooler, I just make a tap or two below the screen. It’s very simple. Again, I get the appeal of physical buttons for some. They’re tried and true. But it’s just tiring to get reviews on them and their functionality when the people aren’t owners. They don’t use it day in and out. They’re not used to it. Like when (not you guys) the copious amount of people berated the design for being extremely convoluted to turn ESC off when it’s really one swipe away. Or turning heated seats on when it’s literally one press away, etc. At full familiarity, I’d wager it’s no easier or harder than older designs.
@@TestDriveVideos I was just wondering, after putting it into drift mode, did they go back into traction control and turn it off completely? Because it’s not completely off just by only putting it into drift mode.
Love the video. You referenced the Focus RS for drift mode. But you didn't say if it was executed better in the Ford... so is it?
The Focus RS drift mode is "better" than the Golf R. Drifts are easier to do in the RS, but it still doesn't feel quite right. Both are forcing a FWD platform to execute a RWD characteristic. Thanks for watching!
@@TestDriveVideos Hi guys - loved this video; in theory, should we expect the GR Corolla to exhibit similar FWD-platform characteristics in its “Sport” mode, which uses a difference in gearing like the Focus RS to induce RWD “bias”?
@@petertoronto5487
IIRC the torque split Toyota used in the GR Yaris was more flexible - may be a mode that sends most of the power to the rear. If the Corolla gets that option, it may behave differently.
Have you guys seen Rivian, Tesla, Fisker controls? The infotainment is fine.
Is the golf R roomy?
You didn’t turn off traction/stability control to drift.
Or core gr Corolla for 35k if u can find one without markup, maybe 2nd or 3rd year in.
High markups. At the moment, not a single DCT variant available in NY.
I really want this car but i don’t think it’s worth $50k and dealership markups
Okay seriously with the infotainment, drama queens...? After owning mine for over 3 months, I'm not looking back to all the physical buttons. Oh! And BTW, you forgot to mention, voice-activated commands. This is the safest and easiest to use car I've ever owned. End of the day... If you can't accept that you can't getting past using the old Blackberry, then it's not for you. But sorry to tell you, ALL auto companies are trending toward the nonphysical buttons. Good luck! 👍
Can you use voice control for recirc?
i have a 2017 sport. looks like ill be keeping it a while longer. I will never pay that level of markup. they've lost their minds.
@@Mikey-tg8ns Oh I get it. And they have every right to do it. And I have every right to flash a huge middle finger at them. reminds me of when Hurricane Katrina was bearing down on the Gulf Coast and a $18 4 x 8 piece of plywood suddenly jumped over $200.
Been seeing R’s going for $46-48k
Had an '08 R32 and loved it...My local VW dealer (from whom I've bought about 10 cars over the past 15 years) knows I want a Golf R and called to "offer" me a black 6spd VW company demo with about 3K miles (and probably hammered by the press) for "JUST" $50K...the nerve! Hard pass.
My 08 R32 was my last VW they are garbage to deal with in the US
in canada its supposed to be 50k but sold used a 65k
Basically drift mode turns the car into a Mazdaspeed 6
Madza 😂😂😂 I don’t 😂😂😂
Great color
So we r gonna complain about the ui but immediately throw our phone in the wireless charger and use wireless apple carplay?
Very nice car that I know I would enjoy driving. The haptic controls, are just to asinine for me. I'll wait for the next refresh.
Nope no next year refresh in 2024. And if you wait until 2025 refresh there’s a good chance no manual. I’m ordering my 2024 regardless
It's easier to drift in the dsg variant
I've always really liked the Golf R, and it was a finalist when I was considering a new daily back in 2018. Never did get one then and probably wouldn't now simply because of the infotainment system. If they managed to fix that, I'd take another look at it if/when shopping for a new daily car that is also fun (separate from a fun, weekend car).
I haven’t watched the vid yet but if you have questions about the infotainment, let me know. I can almost guarantee this video is going to make something seem way harder than it really is. There’s shortcuts all over the interface.
@@AntFragale Thanks, but not needed right now. My wife just picked up a 2007 Saturn Sky for her fun, weekend car and I just bought a 2022 Camaro 2SS 1LE for a weekend car for myself, and we already have a 2021 Honda Ridgeline for a "daily" (we both work from home so none of the cars gets driven much). By the time we're in the market for a new daily vehicle, I'm sure the market will have drastically changed.
@@saviordream oo a sky? Haven’t heard about one of those in a while haha. Cool though, nice pick ups. The Camaro is a great car to be honest. Really solid chassis.
What does this all matter when the car is going to have carbon build up issues on the intake
valves for lack of port injection. Why does no one mention this? Completely clueless about some of the most important issues.
Would love to see a base GTI test/comparo.