No one talks about ancient history animals, such as mammoths, etc. that are filled with methane gas, ancient microbes, bacteria that will all be released into our air...whenever the Permafrost melts. Supposedly the warming in Antarctica is happening 70 times faster than anticipated. Most people will ignore the real data, since there is so much inadequate data that will mollify people's fears. I get it. People cannot cope with reality; no blame. It's just the way most people are.
As long as they've hardly researched methane (compared to all the CO2 science effort) and knowing scientists will be very careful with claims about stuff of which they have insufficient data, they tend to say things like that. www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01313-4
One well respected scientist (Natalia Shakhova) from the University of Alaska Fairbanks has pointed out that not too many years ago the general consensus among scientists was that permafrost in the Arctic would be an effective barrier to methane release. No one believes that now. As well, one of the scientists in this documentary states that if we knuckle down and work to get society off of carbon based fuels we could lessen the impact of the methane time bomb by as much as 80%. According to Ms Shakhova, a one precent release of the methane stores in the arctic (East Siberian Shelf) could increase the heat trapping conditions in the atmoshpere by four times and lead to catastrophic climate change. The IPCC gives us 10 to 12 years to get our act together starting from today. It takes two years for a research papers to get approved through the IPCC, so that tells you that their data is already two years old. Their starting point for their .5º assessment of mans contribution is 100 years newer than what many climate scientists would say is an accurate benchmark, reducing the magnitude of human caused CO2 increase. (1720-1800vs1850-1900) Also the IPCC is a political organization under a great deal of pressure to present a conservative analysis of the situation, Finally the IPCC does not take into account many of the feedback loops currently taking place around the globe including methane release . albedo effect and wave disruption. So far it looks like governments are going to talk far more than act and show no signs of reducing dependance on carbon based fuels any time soon. There is far more to this than I can cover in a short statement but to make a long story short, it's not looking as rosy as this documentary would have you believe. Having said all of that, stating that the world is coming to an end is not productive and no one should become complacent, or despair to the point of inaction. Doing nothing will amount to a self fulfilling prophecy by those who advocate climate apocolypse. They are no better than the deniers. Here is the link for the video I am refering to. ruclips.net/video/eD8hU-lbqpE/видео.html
Steven David Allowing 30-50 million illiterate and numerate people into your country is insane. In my country and many around the world...if you come illegally...YOU NEVER EVER GET A VISA!! And if you are to stupid to understand how the next war will depend on who destroys who's satellites 1st, then you are just way to stupid to understand much at all. But your comment explains why you are comfortable with filling your country with dumb asses like yourself. Just let the dumb rule the world
WonderSoul You need to stop getting your information from sources funded by the climate industrial complex and or socialist political environmentalists. Methane decomposes in the atmosphere and can not ever build up...PERIOD!!! ruclips.net/video/_6LsoiyVTII/видео.html
You should be careful drawing the conclusion you seem to be making. The final four experts all were very careful to phrase their statements in such a way as to avoid the question asked. Or perhaps the question they were responding to should have been included in the dialogue. Dr. Carolyn Ruppel is exactly right, this is not a reaction that can cascade to produce a bomb. However, the use of the word bomb is extremely unscientific and i am sure this is the best response possible to such a question. If you asked the question differently, you may come away with a different answer entirely.
These people feel a false need to lie to us and to water down the findings. Truth is that methane is now pouring into the atmosphere and that methane PPB levels have risen from 772 PPB to 1879 PPB. Abrupt, exponential climate change is now accelerating and cannot be stopped. Humanity is going extinct within 5 years.
The endothermic argument cites sound chemistry but an inaccurate application. Endothermic just means a process consumes heat. Water boiling is endothermic. No, methane clathrate will not explode by itself. When people are trying to mine methane from the ocean, they have to pump hot water down a long way and it does not release much methane. If the whole ocean is warm enough, all of the methane will be released. The question is, how much will the ocean warm at the depth of the clathrate? Since the depths are cooled by cold currents from the northern ice pack that are going to stop, it is hard to say. - PhD Physical Chemist
All will be OK IF we just do this which, of course, isn't going to happen. Population growing by a million a week. 1.5 million a week moving to cities. If anything, we're going to need every damn bit of energy we can get and then some. At 77, I've done plenty of talking about doing something only to find out doing it is a whole different story. Right now we're in the dreaming phase of change so there's all these wonderful solutions. None of which exist but could. But could is the key. Don't exist is the reality.
Thank you. These are the same people who told us greenhouse gasses will kill us if we don't do something. So panic! But the methane bomb won't go off as long as we DO do something. So don't panic! Make up your minds, guys!
Although our population is growing it's because we are living longer, not because of exponential growth. We stopped exponential growth in that sense a decade or two ago. The number of children is nealy the same as it was a decade ago. The population is projected to level off at around 11.5 billion in 2100 according to the UN population division. It could level off sooner if Africa levels off earlier. The population is leveling off due to prosperity not scarcity. debunkingdoomsday.quora.com/Debunked-Soon-we-won%E2%80%99t-be-able-to-feed-everyone-because-the-world-population-is-growing-so-quickly
Very well said. To be sustainable, occident should strongly downsize current wealth life, and orient should strongly downsize population numbers. Nothing of these will happen ! From people will !
Looking at the news of record summer temperatures in Siberia reminded me of this problem and so here I am, trying to find out a bit more and ease my mind, but it's not really working :/
The noun ''if'' is used with great regularity , to suggest a small tweak in our behaviour is going to mitigate this disaster.They are probably all parents.
@@glenmccarthy8482 parenting nor mentoring are your strong points either.., seems the singles today act like they had no parents... grow up and take responsibility for all kids in this predicament we face.. you become an adult when you realise it is all about the kids and not about you ( weather they are your kids or not)..
Some scientist say that, other scientists otherwise. Several People Whose opinions I trust say independently of each other that this will cost billions of human lives within a lifetime because of extreme flooding and changed weather patterns crippling agriculture. Either it’s too late to stop it or we have a couple of years to drastically lower the atmospheres CO2 content
Not true, 97% of all scientists actively publishing papers on the subject agree that anthropogenic climate change is happening. The fossil fuel industry probably got to the 3% of shills that you mention. After every climate summit, they release a report telling us the likely outcome of the inadequate deals that politicians invariably make. The 1.5°C safe increase in temperature agreed in the Paris deal, will be broken next year, and the reality is that we are heading for 2.3 - 2.7 increase, if we can even keep those promises.
This video is confusing after four viewings. This video admits that Arctic methane meltdown is potentially dangerous, but at the same time this video claims the danger is “overblown” because the methane meltdown reaction is endothermic, as if Arctic Ocean ice won't melt. The presenters of this video seem to suggest that global warming will not be warming the Arctic Ocean wherein potential endothermic meltdown reaction would occur in warmer conditions. A viewer can readily be forgiven for coming away from this video thinking the presenters assert that global warming will not warm the Arctic Ocean which, if warmed, would increase likelihood of endothermic methane meltdown reaction. The video's message is ambiguous if not completely elusive.
You are way too kind. It is obvious the intent of this video is to downplay the very real threat regarding methane release from the fast warming Arctic. This is a trend in this flavor of propaganda. Produce web content attracting those concerned, play some lip service to that concern, and then downplay that concern. As I stated above, many of us on this forum aren't that fucking stupid.
@@flickwtchr The opening scene acting by the young woman who was 'alarmed' before learning about the endothermic process hints at a notable community theater career. I felt her urgent need to grab a box of Kleenex and have a good nose blow. And the closing assurance that an endothermic process needs more heat than is presently available to occur demonstrates that Yale holds one of two positions: 1.The endothermic process will somehow not accelerate as global warming increases Or: 2. Yale does not believe is global warming. Either position is intellectually equivalent to believing that the earth is flat. The video is at best confusing and fragmentary in presenting Yale's position. As informational presentation, the video is sloppy if not completely nonsensical. Perhaps the editing took a bad turn to make Yale appear to hold one of these two absurd positions. Yale would need to clarify their position. The position presented in this video must be dismissed by an objective observer as mentally indolent nonsense in response to the pressing issue of methane/clathrate release in this time of global warming. This video is not only a great disservice in addressing global warming and the consequent increases in methane release honestly, but jettisons Yale's position into irrelevance.
We have passed the balance point and are now on the downward spiral to destruction. There is no stopping it. The fight for simple resources will take place as more and more drastic changes take place. Thanks for the short ride.
James Lovelock pointed out over 20 years ago that we have reached various enviromental "tipping points" and nobody wanted to listen....The elephant in the room now is TOO MANY HUMANS. Again,nobody wants to listen. Switch off the electricity for a week and the Dumb will die. Mutate and survive-if you have the imagination! Good luck little humans. And may your Gods go with you.
In other video's I've been watching these same scientists are warning about the exponential increase in Methane and CO2 being released into the atmosphere through permafrost melt. These appear to be older clips.
totally apocaloptimistic. Runaway global warming is in progress. The climate change we are experiencing is anthropogenic, extreme, lethal, accelerating and irreversible. Slowing down emmissions will not slow down rapid global over-heating. We are doomed and there is nothing we can do about it.
Humans STILL think that we can slow or stop this runaway climate freight train...BWAHAHAHA!!!! Just enjoy what time you have left, I know I am. Say hi to Hambone for me.
All of these bright intelligent people, talking and expressing fears and concerns, seem to be ignorant of a few fundamental things. 1. Human civilization is an Omnicidal heat engine 2. The apparent linearity of human life is illusory. This is why the relatively new area of (Eco-psychology) ultimately leads one toward Transpersonal awareness, and quantum consciousness. What is happening, is not happening TO the Earth, or TO Humanity, but OF the earth, of which humanity is a sub-totality. Everything is to some degree anthropogenic. I suppose if one spends enough time in academic institutions the world becomes a very fragmented situation.
This vid was put up - twice! - at the Skeptical Science website. They love to talk about how we can fix everything in the next 100 years or so, we just need to get started. Anybody presenting anything like the methane bomb is rapidly dispatched. I finally gave up, I don't go there anymore. Rather watch a Paul Beckwith video...
I've worked all over the Northern hemisphere my whole life running heavy equipment. I've dug solid ice out of the permafrost 10 and 15 feet deep in the middle of june in what they say was the hottest year on record. I've lived beside the Atlantic ocean in a province on the very east coast of Canada for 60 years and it hasn't risen 1 inch. If i remember correctly Al Gore said coastal cities should be underwater by now. I've seen summers when 100s of icebergs the size of Manhattan floated by all summer long, and summers when there wasn't any. At this very moment we are in a very deep freeze across most of the country on up to the north pole. Totally natural cycles. My Grandfather told me all the same things i just told you, just as his grandfather told him. You really shouldn't worry so much. Peace
actually the propaganda that the Clinton Admin forced schoolkids to read had said that the US population would be living in the rocky mountains by 2015 as everything else would be underwater.
@@zarthemad8386 2015 Wow !! You guys better get moving. Never realized it was going to be that extreme. Crooked Hillary must of made a lot of money off that little scheme. Hehe !!
+Big Crow Great to finally see some quiet thoughtful drivel and pointless anecdotes from the ignorant wisdom of the ancients such as yourself. Warms the cockles of my heart.
@@grindupBaker Haha ! That's funny. I've also looked at lots of the data from both sides. And what are your credentials ? I don't live in an igloo like you might think.
@@lmjaktalked w a guy grew up Arctic Indian err first peoples... obvi still has family They said can be foul smell from anaerobic gases but the mushrooms and berry picking is better/longer and take your jacket off more often. I believe aggregate warming is occurring but not that it is all or net bad
And what’s the opinion of these people now? We’re two years on and methane is surging, places are burning. We didn’t “scale back” fossil fuel use, we increased and still are increasing. Money prioritised over a liveable planet. Is it time to say no yet?
We can reverse process of Methane release from Wetlands, Surface waterbodies if we enable and restore the inherent process of consumption and digestion of organic matter holistically and naturally.
Ok, so the methane "bomb" is fake news... What about the methane "dragon"? I get that people, including myself, are probably over-reacting. But considering the consequences, isn't that better than just pretending like everything's going to be alright?
The "ifs" are concerning, and the "It depends almost completly what we do". I think building tens of thousands of generation 4 nuclear powerplants (Thorium/ melted salt), ASAP, is the only way we can prevent the catastrophe. Remember that there are 4 billion people living on 7 USD/day. They also want our standard of living. And, we the rich people demand an increase of our standards all the time. It doesn't matter if facts holds a gun to our head.
This is obviously scientifically accurate information. What part of "endothermic" did you not understand in your chemistry classes? Yes, heating the arctic will release methane --- it already is, and yes, the endothermic reaction will result in a gradual release, not an explosive release. Thanks to Jeremy Grantham for his input into better this quality information..... I found this video linked from Skeptical Science, which is an accountable site.
If everyone doesn't make an effort to reduce burning of carbon resources then those of us who do make the effort suffer because the majority don't make an effort. A very great climate change emergency must be declared on a world-wide basis before everyone does make an effort to reduce burning of carbon resources. I am looking at what has really happened in the last one hundred years+ and there has always been an increase in the rate of burning of carbon resources because the population has increased.
CO2 does not cause climate change, it is hardly a greenhouse gas. What CO2 does do is make the earth greener. We should be encouraged to emit more CO2.
Your comment will read forever if you don't delete them. So your crazy alarmist outcry will haunt you forever. The radiation that CO2 is absorbing is already absorbed circa when CO2 ia at 300 ppm or there about. Adding more CO2 does not increase IR absorption.
Анастасия Юрь Ева ----- Right, so go convince the Chinese. Once that is done you can convince the Russians who's economy depends on oil and gas. Be an early adopter of alt energy. Early adopters drive technology which leads to greater economies of scale. Early adopters also have to accept that they will pay a steep price. Stop calling it Climate Change for cripes sake. If you mean man made global warming just say it. Climate change could mean anything. The beginning of a glacial period is climate change. The end of a glacial period is climate change. The beginning of the Roman optimum was climate change. The end of the Roman optimum was climate change.
One scientist says about the scientific community: "Even we in the community sometimes barely get past the abstract." Translation: "We scientists often take the opinions of other scientists at face value. We do not dig into the facts before publicly supporting said opinion. We inhabit a reality somewhere between committed echo chamber and academic incest on an Appalachian level." Really fucking scientific of you, there, bub.
Emphasis here is "avoid". As Dr. Hansen says, we can avoid catastrophic climate change when we phase out fossil fuel burning in the next few(!) decades.
I'm kooking forward to a much more vibrant conspiracy theories on this matter. See, I've just seen a video on salt acid lakes where the big huge warning is put DO NOT SWIM, and a skull, BUT, we like challenges. This one however IS a challenge to do MINDED mooves, not stupid.ones. Excellent video, thanks.
I agree that an explosive release of methane from the methane hydrates is unlikely. Still, I feel the urgency of the situation was downplayed here, specifically to project a sense of hope. The fact is that the urgings to rapidly terminate most of our anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions, has been ongoing for the last decade with only minor results. The optimists seem to believe that the failed history is irrelevant. Most people seem to have been exceedingly successful at excluding the following warnings from their consciousness. I urge readers to search for them. IPCC report: ‘now or never’ if world is to stave off climate disaster (TheGuardian) UN chief: World has less than 2 years to avoid 'runaway climate change' (TheHill) * This statement was made 4-years ago.
It should be noted that the "skeptic" Juliana Mushayev in the video link is NOT a scientist. In fact, she's an "Interfaith Activist" whatever that is for the Center For Religious Tolerance. So just consider that if you actually want to take her claims that methane induced climate change is "overblown".
where did this notion that methane is a potent greenhouse gas come from, we live on a water world, methane absorption frequency overlaps with water vapour absorption frequency. please explain how this is a problem.
Is somebody knowing about the emission from methane emissions from coal mines, worked on a methane reduction project, even it was emitting C02 the rate of reduction was a few million car emission for one mine. No interest.
A call to action. That’s nice. I think it’s pretty clear that the oil companies run the governments world wide. So, let’s hope that the oil companies watch some of these kind of videos soon, and take decisive action. At least I didn’t have kids.
This video is what is known as "Hopium" If the hope of this message is that us limiting use of Fossil Fuels is the answer. Look around ...Fossil Fuels aren't going away.
Read today Chevron stock up due to largest volumes of gas refined ever. This will not end. Admittedly I live in a rural area, but I have never seen an electric car on the road. Hope is a lie.
Dennis Mitchell It seems that the Oligarchs, Bankers, fund managers ETC, dont buy the Global Warming scam that they are selling. Trillions of dollars is coastal development gave that away for 3 decades.
Methane release is one of dozens of feedback loops that are already in progress just stopping the release of carbon emmisions is going to have little effect with what is already in motion
Several People Whose opinions I trust say independently of each other that this will cost billions of human lives within a lifetime because of extreme flooding and changed weather patterns crippling agriculture. Either it’s too late to stop it or we have a couple of years to drastically lower the atmospheres CO2 content
As commented below, Dr Shakhova and her colleagues have been studying the East Siberian Shelf since I think 2004 every single year...when I say study, I mean go there, and stick a thingie in the sea and monitor it in situ. There is another video here (ruclips.net/video/D3L0R6LzEUE/видео.html) where Professor. Wadhams of Cambridge university scrutinizes the sweeping statements of the scientists in this video. Both the Ruskie and the Brit disagree strongly and moderately strongly (respectively) with what the researchers say in this video. CH4 is a clear and present danger to abrupt climate change.; go checkout atmosphere.copernicus.eu/charts/cams/methane-forecasts and look for yourself at the arctic region CH4 levels.
Voidoflogic Hey slowman I know it is harder when you are not very bright but METHANE DECOMPOSES IN AIR...That is why you are not breathing dinosaur farts
WonderSoul Hey wumao ladyboy...When you go straight to the default "blame it on big oil" defense...it really shows that you have nothing. METHANE DECOMPOSES IN AIR you stupid hun dan. Science 101
@Robert Williamson Nice try ;) I was responding to @Bjarne Cola I think it is more a ''foucault'' reading case here, not an opiate, rather a delirant like the beladone if I had to pick an equivalent. Get yourself some aspirin for the headach if you ever intend to go through some of his work. I dont know the quality of the english translation you could get but in french it is always fair to assume with him that there is an average 20% of bullshit mixed with barely intelligible and obscure meta hypothesis and sometimes real pearls of wisdom buried deeep into shit. He still is a really talented philosopher, but the logic he did spread with derrida is at the core of how present day political activists from all ranges, inclue climate activism, organise and work. I mean, if you ever wanna try. I would not blame you for skipping that one and just keeping it chill having a nice life and just adding to the general betterment by keeping it clean around you without bothering too much about whats going in on in present days universities. Have a nice day
1st - This video ( especially C Ruppel) state that the methane hydrates will be stable over 80 odd years due to the thermodynamics of the endothermic reaction (in that it cools as it reacts). What they did not state is that methane (and CO2) can also be produced by microbial activity on organic matter. This activity is heat producing. 2nd - The video does not state that only a small percentage of available methane hydrates has to be released for it to be "game over" (Sharakova). Methane can be from EITHER hydrates or microbial activity - or both. 3rd - methane is releasing right now (satellite data) and despite the endothermic reaction the geographic area is still heating up. Therefore, I don't see a "shut down" in the reaction (release) happening. Not even a pause. Certainly no endothermic cooling.
Your comment is worthless because you haven't provided an increase in Global Mean Surface Temperature (GMST) for "game over". Provide your estimate for GMST increase for "game over" and thus convert your comment from worthless to interesting.
@@grindupBaker Your reply is worthless (and pointless). Point 2 "game over" is from the source Shakhova (not my estimate). Next time before replying do your homework, all the details are there including temperatures and volumes (of methane). Points 1 and 3 also stand as is.
If we blame hydrates for PTEE then we must blame the Ice Age Sequence initiated with Carboniferous period If these organics had not frozen over and been slowly digested anaerobic fashion but had remained in normal non frozen ecosystem Then there would be no sudden imbalance
Don't lose any sleep over methane-hydrates, we should survive that just so long as we stop our burning of fossil fuels. How has that gone so far ? Actually not well, we are in fact all doomed.
just theoretically, once the methane accumulation in the Arctic catches a valid fire ignition, just about every square inch of the planet north of 43 degrees North latitude will be uninhabitable in about 6 weeks. And every living thing that does not evacuate in the first 6 days, will meet an unpleasant end. once the base of the water column reaches a temperature of 43 degrees F, the release of methane will present a tremendous hazard, and will be unstoppable, once an ignition takes place, the resulting fire will consume about 5 million square miles, at a "normal" temperature of the burning temperature of methane, the water will provide the oxygen as a fuel source.
The feedback reaction of the Past? Well, interpretation of graphics tells this, that after that possible reaction, and how far that reaction takes us, it ends. Why? I am not a scientist, but looked into the subject for a while now. Their is much more that has influence on our changing climate then only the human CO2 emissions, and the effect of methane in its whole, is it really that dangerous? The molecule in itself is very potent, but in the spectrum where it works, has it such a potential to highten the percentage of radiation intake to globally make it warmer?
The 25x increased potency of methane versus CO2 is over a hundred year time period. Methane is about 86x more potent than CO2 in a twenty year time period, a time period that really matters for the nearer term. So for example, if one Gigaton of Methane got released over a twenty year period it would be the equivalent of 86 Gton of CO2 being released over the same twenty year period. So that's roughly 4 Gton/year in what they call "CO2 equivalents" or about a 10% increase in heat-trapping greenhouse gases over this twenty year period. And that's just for a one Gton Methane release. You can't get a 1 Gton release of Methane without getting a much larger release of CO2 over the same time period. Permafrost can't thaw and only release Methane, it has to release a combination of CO2 and Methane while it's in the process of thawing. So let's assume that 40 Gtons of CO2 is released over a twenty year period versus 1 Gton of Methane. So 2 Gton/year of additional CO2 going into the atmosphere. Doesn't help but it's still not a large percentage of the total that will still be getting released due to human activities over this same 20 year period. Bottom line is that whatever quantity of CO2 and Methane that ends up getting released due to permafrost thawing directly subtracts from the remaining "carbon budget" or the total amount of CO2 and Methane we can release into the atmosphere through our own activities and still have a chance to remain below a 2C temperature rise, on average, across the world. It's guaranteed to make it more challenging to overcome, just how much more challenging is still an open question.
Thanks, Peter! Great video, as always. I like how you left it, with hope. Now let's get behind the bipartisan Energy Innovation and Carbon Dividend Act. James Hansen supports it and it would get us under 1.5 degree C.
Would like to see Yale do a vid digging into the options we have for the future. You see what is happening a 1C - the Global economy is likely to unravel at 1.5C - it looks like global dimming properties have been underestimated so we will exceed 1.5C relatively quickly - Is it really possible to reach 2C & have it stabilise? We are no longer in a situation where we can simply draw down emissions & not be in trouble
Another, more thorough, blog comment to Peter Sinclair's work: frozen.earth/2019/02/yale-university-goes-out-of-its-way-to-say-nothing-to-see-here-on-permafrost/
It's not a problem, IF, we stop using fossil fuels over the next few years. The chances of that are 0%. Therefore permafrost methane is a huge problem, and in our lifetime!
Here after looking into past five global extinctions . What actually can end us all ! I suggest you do the same . I have my opinion but look into it yourselves .
I was a bit worried when I saw the name Guy McPherson but then we got some real scientific explanation. What wasn't mentioned was methane stored as gas in association with the methane clathrates at the bottom of the East Siberian Sea and other Arctic shelf seas. This article is relevant m.phys.org/news/2017-02-gas-hydrate-breakdown-massive-greenhouse.html
Guy is a pessimist for sure. The science is pretty clear though. This little snippets of longer conversations leaves out most of the relevant argument and focuses solely on the "bomb" aspect.
Why do you call it a time bomb. It is a resource. Harness it, cool it down, store it, use it when needed. It could be the cheapest energy resource ever. You don't see the opportunity? Others will seze it.
A Call to Action, that's easily said. Real Action, Yale, is to invite all these leaders, political, opinions, captains of industry, in particular the ones still spreading doubt about warming, the Koch's, the Trumps, Exxon & Shell ceo s invite them next summer on a trip around the Arctic. Be it Alaska, Svalbard, East Siberia. Once they see it with their own eyes, they ll know how urgently action is needed. From what I've seen in videos of the Melting North and Methane Risks, (rapid) destabilizing of permafrost has insufficiently been researched, and Methane emissions are under- modelled in IPCC predictions. To let things go business as usual, is like taking a speeding car with all your family in it, and turn a blind corner.
Great video - when people dig deep into the numbers Arctic methane isn't the biggest issue right now, because we can do mitigation of co2 emmissions over the next couple of decades, which reduces that threat greatly. It's not like all the methane is going to explode out the ocean one day - that's just alarmist. If they really think that, then they should just give up and enjoy the rest of their life because that's the end. Good bye and thanks for all the fish. People should be more concerned right now about 'fracking' - because between 6-10% of the fracked gas is lost to the atmosphere between the well and power station - and that's before burning the other 90-94% and dumping that co2 into the atmosphere. Thing is - the 6% that escapes is 25x more of a GHG than co2 - so the 6% that escaped is like 150% co2 + the 94% which gets burnt - adding even more to the overall GHG footprint of fracking derived gas... and then the sealed old wells fail after a few years releasing all their toxic fracking chems - and even more gas.
Latest study on aerosol masking, with the new normal "it is worst than previously though" message. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/01/190122104611.htm
isn’t clean safer agriculture and clean textiles more important then fossil fuels cows to eat sea weed to stop methane gas and bring textile companies back home to be cleaner and safer
Lmao the history of the last 10million years shows a methane spike in 20 years during which all the glaciers melt. So good luck with thinking I’m fine your fine we’re all fine just “don’t look up!”
you have 2 million years worth of carbon sitting in an area that used to be tropical in nature and you ask "how bad ?" what do you think ???
There's even some in Antarctica.
No one talks about ancient history animals, such as mammoths, etc.
that are filled with methane gas, ancient microbes, bacteria that will all be released into our air...whenever the Permafrost melts. Supposedly the warming in Antarctica is happening 70 times faster than anticipated. Most people will ignore the real data, since there is so much inadequate data that will mollify people's fears. I
get it. People cannot cope with reality; no blame. It's
just the way most people are.
don´t worry about it. the ground is just LITERALLY exploding.
The Lorax I respectfully disagree. Most climate researchers don't see much danger for catastrophic amounts of methane release till 2150.
As long as they've hardly researched methane (compared to all the CO2 science effort) and knowing scientists will be very careful with claims about stuff of which they have insufficient data, they tend to say things like that.
www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01313-4
Why only share the view that the methane isn't a near term threat? There are plenty of scientists who would disagree with this video
One well respected scientist (Natalia Shakhova) from the University of Alaska Fairbanks has pointed out that not too many years ago the general consensus among scientists was that permafrost in the Arctic would be an effective barrier to methane release. No one believes that now.
As well, one of the scientists in this documentary states that if we knuckle down and work to get society off of carbon based fuels we could lessen the impact of the methane time bomb by as much as 80%.
According to Ms Shakhova, a one precent release of the methane stores in the arctic (East Siberian Shelf) could increase the heat trapping conditions in the atmoshpere by four times and lead to catastrophic climate change.
The IPCC gives us 10 to 12 years to get our act together starting from today. It takes two years for a research papers to get approved through the IPCC, so that tells you that their data is already two years old.
Their starting point for their .5º assessment of mans contribution is 100 years newer than what many climate scientists would say is an accurate benchmark, reducing the magnitude of human caused CO2 increase.
(1720-1800vs1850-1900)
Also the IPCC is a political organization under a great deal of pressure to present a conservative analysis of the situation, Finally the IPCC does not take into account many of the feedback loops currently taking place around the globe including methane release . albedo effect and wave disruption.
So far it looks like governments are going to talk far more than act and show no signs of reducing dependance on carbon based fuels any time soon. There is far more to this than I can cover in a short statement but to make a long story short, it's not looking as rosy as this documentary would have you believe.
Having said all of that, stating that the world is coming to an end is not productive and no one should become complacent, or despair to the point of inaction. Doing nothing will amount to a self fulfilling prophecy by those who advocate climate apocolypse. They are no better than the deniers.
Here is the link for the video I am refering to.
ruclips.net/video/eD8hU-lbqpE/видео.html
Just the type of response I would expect from a climate denier.
Voidisyinyang Methane decomposes via oxidation with air and can not EVER build up in the atmosphere...PERIOD!!!
Steven David Allowing 30-50 million illiterate and numerate people into your country is insane. In my country and many around the world...if you come illegally...YOU NEVER EVER GET A VISA!! And if you are to stupid to understand how the next war will depend on who destroys who's satellites 1st, then you are just way to stupid to understand much at all. But your comment explains why you are comfortable with filling your country with dumb asses like yourself. Just let the dumb rule the world
WonderSoul You need to stop getting your information from sources funded by the climate industrial complex and or socialist political environmentalists. Methane decomposes in the atmosphere and can not ever build up...PERIOD!!! ruclips.net/video/_6LsoiyVTII/видео.html
"We can avoid that" ..(methane release) but.......... we won't. Three years later and emissions are still climbing a an ever faster rate.
You should be careful drawing the conclusion you seem to be making. The final four experts all were very careful to phrase their statements in such a way as to avoid the question asked. Or perhaps the question they were responding to should have been included in the dialogue. Dr. Carolyn Ruppel is exactly right, this is not a reaction that can cascade to produce a bomb. However, the use of the word bomb is extremely unscientific and i am sure this is the best response possible to such a question. If you asked the question differently, you may come away with a different answer entirely.
A bomb is a rapid chemical reaction. Methane exposure due to melting permafrost is a rapid chemical reaction when considered on a geologic time scale.
These people feel a false need to lie to us and to water down the findings. Truth is that methane is now pouring into the atmosphere and that methane PPB levels have risen from 772 PPB to 1879 PPB. Abrupt, exponential climate change is now accelerating and cannot be stopped. Humanity is going extinct within 5 years.
Agree completely. Either way we are probably screwed.
Methane levels have also skyrocketed in the arctic and it keeps getting "accidentally " ignited
The endothermic argument cites sound chemistry but an inaccurate application. Endothermic just means a process consumes heat. Water boiling is endothermic. No, methane clathrate will not explode by itself. When people are trying to mine methane from the ocean, they have to pump hot water down a long way and it does not release much methane. If the whole ocean is warm enough, all of the methane will be released. The question is, how much will the ocean warm at the depth of the clathrate? Since the depths are cooled by cold currents from the northern ice pack that are going to stop, it is hard to say. - PhD Physical Chemist
All will be OK IF we just do this which, of course, isn't going to happen. Population growing by a million a week. 1.5 million a week moving to cities. If anything, we're going to need every damn bit of energy we can get and then some. At 77, I've done plenty of talking about doing something only to find out doing it is a whole different story. Right now we're in the dreaming phase of change so there's all these wonderful solutions. None of which exist but could. But could is the key. Don't exist is the reality.
Thank you. These are the same people who told us greenhouse gasses will kill us if we don't do something. So panic! But the methane bomb won't go off as long as we DO do something. So don't panic! Make up your minds, guys!
Although our population is growing it's because we are living longer, not because of exponential growth. We stopped exponential growth in that sense a decade or two ago. The number of children is nealy the same as it was a decade ago. The population is projected to level off at around 11.5 billion in 2100 according to the UN population division. It could level off sooner if Africa levels off earlier. The population is leveling off due to prosperity not scarcity.
debunkingdoomsday.quora.com/Debunked-Soon-we-won%E2%80%99t-be-able-to-feed-everyone-because-the-world-population-is-growing-so-quickly
Very well said. To be sustainable, occident should strongly downsize current wealth life, and orient should strongly downsize population numbers. Nothing of these will happen ! From people will !
Exactly
I'd like to see an update on the Methane situation; thanks.
"This is a call to action, not a declaration of defeat". Really helpful stuff, thank you.
I think the evidence suggests it has gone past that point.
@@ollie2052000 we are well past it climate scientists have been way to conservative
Looking at the news of record summer temperatures in Siberia reminded me of this problem and so here I am, trying to find out a bit more and ease my mind, but it's not really working :/
The noun ''if'' is used with great regularity , to suggest a small tweak in our behaviour is going to mitigate this disaster.They are probably all parents.
Just a slight quibble....I believe "if" is a conjunction....
@@jimspy1001 Thanks for the correction , grammar never was my strong suit.
@@glenmccarthy8482 parenting nor mentoring are your strong points either.., seems the singles today act like they had no parents... grow up and take responsibility for all kids in this predicament we face.. you become an adult when you realise it is all about the kids and not about you ( weather they are your kids or not)..
Mainstream scientists: relax everything is gonna be okay, let's just phase down fossil fuels.
Some scientist say that, other scientists otherwise. Several People Whose opinions I trust say independently of each other that this will cost billions of human lives within a lifetime because of extreme flooding and changed weather patterns crippling agriculture. Either it’s too late to stop it or we have a couple of years to drastically lower the atmospheres CO2 content
Not true, 97% of all scientists actively publishing papers on the subject agree that anthropogenic climate change is happening.
The fossil fuel industry probably got to the 3% of shills that you mention.
After every climate summit, they release a report telling us the likely outcome of the inadequate deals that politicians invariably make.
The 1.5°C safe increase in temperature agreed in the Paris deal, will be broken next year, and the reality is that we are heading for 2.3 - 2.7 increase, if we can even keep those promises.
This video is confusing after four viewings. This video admits that Arctic methane meltdown is potentially dangerous, but at the same time this video claims the danger is “overblown” because the methane meltdown reaction is endothermic, as if Arctic Ocean ice won't melt. The presenters of this video seem to suggest that global warming will not be warming the Arctic Ocean wherein potential endothermic meltdown reaction would occur in warmer conditions. A viewer can readily be forgiven for coming away from this video thinking the presenters assert that global warming will not warm the Arctic Ocean which, if warmed, would increase likelihood of endothermic methane meltdown reaction. The video's message is ambiguous if not completely elusive.
You are way too kind. It is obvious the intent of this video is to downplay the very real threat regarding methane release from the fast warming Arctic. This is a trend in this flavor of propaganda. Produce web content attracting those concerned, play some lip service to that concern, and then downplay that concern. As I stated above, many of us on this forum aren't that fucking stupid.
@@flickwtchr The opening scene acting by the young woman who was 'alarmed' before learning about the endothermic process hints at a notable community theater career. I felt her urgent need to grab a box of Kleenex and have a good nose blow. And the closing assurance that an endothermic process needs more heat than is presently available to occur demonstrates that Yale holds one of two positions:
1.The endothermic process will somehow not accelerate as global warming increases
Or:
2. Yale does not believe is global warming.
Either position is intellectually equivalent to believing that the earth is flat. The video is at best confusing and fragmentary in presenting Yale's position. As informational presentation, the video is sloppy if not completely nonsensical.
Perhaps the editing took a bad turn to make Yale appear to hold one of these two absurd positions. Yale would need to clarify their position. The position presented in this video must be dismissed by an objective observer as mentally indolent nonsense in response to the pressing issue of methane/clathrate release in this time of global warming.
This video is not only a great disservice in addressing global warming and the consequent increases in methane release honestly, but jettisons Yale's position into irrelevance.
We have passed the balance point and are now on the downward spiral to destruction. There is no stopping it. The fight for simple resources will take place as more and more drastic changes take place. Thanks for the short ride.
So sex, booze and murder for the time being?
James Lovelock pointed out over 20 years ago that we have reached various enviromental "tipping points" and nobody wanted to listen....The elephant in the room now is TOO MANY HUMANS. Again,nobody wants to listen. Switch off the electricity for a week and the Dumb will die. Mutate and survive-if you have the imagination! Good luck little humans. And may your Gods go with you.
@orion Loses Yawn.
don´t worry about it. the ground is just LITERALLY exploding.
In other video's I've been watching these same scientists are warning about the exponential increase in Methane and CO2 being released into the atmosphere through permafrost melt. These appear to be older clips.
So where are your links to that in your comments ? Are you one of those shy retiring types, no links ?
totally apocaloptimistic. Runaway global warming is in progress. The climate change we are experiencing is anthropogenic, extreme, lethal, accelerating and irreversible. Slowing down emmissions will not slow down rapid global over-heating. We are doomed and there is nothing we can do about it.
Humans STILL think that we can slow or stop this runaway climate freight train...BWAHAHAHA!!!! Just enjoy what time you have left, I know I am. Say hi to Hambone for me.
All of these bright intelligent people, talking and expressing fears and concerns, seem to be ignorant of a few fundamental things. 1. Human civilization is an Omnicidal heat engine 2. The apparent linearity of human life is illusory. This is why the relatively new area of (Eco-psychology) ultimately leads one toward Transpersonal awareness, and quantum consciousness. What is happening, is not happening TO the Earth, or TO Humanity, but OF the earth, of which humanity is a sub-totality. Everything is to some degree anthropogenic. I suppose if one spends enough time in academic institutions the world becomes a very fragmented situation.
Peter Wadhams had an interesting critique of the content of this video. From UPFSI; Dr. Peter Wadhams: Arctic Research & the Methane Risk
This vid was put up - twice! - at the Skeptical Science website. They love to talk about how we can fix everything in the next 100 years or so, we just need to get started. Anybody presenting anything like the methane bomb is rapidly dispatched. I finally gave up, I don't go there anymore. Rather watch a Paul Beckwith video...
I've worked all over the Northern hemisphere my whole life running heavy equipment. I've dug solid ice out of the permafrost 10 and 15 feet deep in the middle of june in what they say was the hottest year on record. I've lived beside the Atlantic ocean in a province on the very east coast of Canada for 60 years and it hasn't risen 1 inch. If i remember correctly Al Gore said coastal cities should be underwater by now. I've seen summers when 100s of icebergs the size of Manhattan floated by all summer long, and summers when there wasn't any. At this very moment we are in a very deep freeze across most of the country on up to the north pole. Totally natural cycles. My Grandfather told me all the same things i just told you, just as his grandfather told him. You really shouldn't worry so much. Peace
actually the propaganda that the Clinton Admin forced schoolkids to read had said that the US population would be living in the rocky mountains by 2015 as everything else would be underwater.
@@zarthemad8386 2015 Wow !! You guys better get moving. Never realized it was going to be that extreme. Crooked Hillary must of made a lot of money off that little scheme. Hehe !!
+Big Crow Great to finally see some quiet thoughtful drivel and pointless anecdotes from the ignorant wisdom of the ancients such as yourself. Warms the cockles of my heart.
@@grindupBaker Haha ! That's funny. I've also looked at lots of the data from both sides. And what are your credentials ? I don't live in an igloo like you might think.
@@lmjaktalked w a guy grew up Arctic Indian err first peoples... obvi still has family
They said can be foul smell from anaerobic gases but the mushrooms and berry picking is better/longer and take your jacket off more often.
I believe aggregate warming is occurring but not that it is all or net bad
No-one talking about Animal Agriculture? Why? Going Vegan is the most effective FAST solution! It happpens on our plates!
And what’s the opinion of these people now? We’re two years on and methane is surging, places are burning. We didn’t “scale back” fossil fuel use, we increased and still are increasing. Money prioritised over a liveable planet. Is it time to say no yet?
We can reverse process of Methane release from Wetlands, Surface waterbodies if we enable and restore the inherent process of consumption and digestion of organic matter holistically and naturally.
Ok, so the methane "bomb" is fake news... What about the methane "dragon"?
I get that people, including myself, are probably over-reacting. But considering the consequences, isn't that better than just pretending like everything's going to be alright?
What would happen if a hypersonic missile fell in that area? Would a thermodynamic release occur?
Can something be safely put in waters, oceans, seas and lakes to break down methane before released into atmosphere?
It's an invisible foe,the most dangerous kind.
Brilliant work Peter - truly appreciate your video!
you seem to be a lonely voice - but thanks!
The "ifs" are concerning, and the "It depends almost completly what we do". I think building tens of thousands of generation 4 nuclear powerplants (Thorium/ melted salt), ASAP, is the only way we can prevent the catastrophe. Remember that there are 4 billion people living on 7 USD/day. They also want our standard of living. And, we the rich people demand an increase of our standards all the time. It doesn't matter if facts holds a gun to our head.
The world will be out of food before much of this happens anyway.
This is obviously scientifically accurate information. What part of "endothermic" did you not understand in your chemistry classes? Yes, heating the arctic will release methane --- it already is, and yes, the endothermic reaction will result in a gradual release, not an explosive release. Thanks to Jeremy Grantham for his input into better this quality information..... I found this video linked from Skeptical Science, which is an accountable site.
'No worries, we have decades.' These people are clowns.
If everyone doesn't make an effort to reduce burning of carbon resources then those of us who do make the effort suffer because the majority don't make an effort. A very great climate change emergency must be declared on a world-wide basis before everyone does make an effort to reduce burning of carbon resources. I am looking at what has really happened in the last one hundred years+ and there has always been an increase in the rate of burning of carbon resources because the population has increased.
CO2 does not cause climate change, it is hardly a greenhouse gas. What CO2 does do is make the earth greener. We should be encouraged to emit more CO2.
Your comment will read forever if you don't delete them. So your crazy alarmist outcry will haunt you forever.
The radiation that CO2 is absorbing is already absorbed circa when CO2 ia at 300 ppm or there about. Adding more CO2 does not increase IR absorption.
@@EdmontonRails Ignorant fucking clown and coal/oil shill-fuckwit you.
@@pipsantos6278 Ignorant fucking clown and coal/oil shill-fuckwit you.
Анастасия Юрь Ева ----- Right, so go convince the Chinese. Once that is done you can convince the Russians who's economy depends on oil and gas.
Be an early adopter of alt energy. Early adopters drive technology which leads to greater economies of scale. Early adopters also have to accept that they will pay a steep price.
Stop calling it Climate Change for cripes sake. If you mean man made global warming just say it. Climate change could mean anything. The beginning of a glacial period is climate change. The end of a glacial period is climate change. The beginning of the Roman optimum was climate change. The end of the Roman optimum was climate change.
lol that ''call to action'' i've been hearing for 40years, Don't worry, nature will do perfectly fine without us
One scientist says about the scientific community: "Even we in the community sometimes barely get past the abstract."
Translation: "We scientists often take the opinions of other scientists at face value. We do not dig into the facts before publicly supporting said opinion. We inhabit a reality somewhere between committed echo chamber and academic incest on an Appalachian level."
Really fucking scientific of you, there, bub.
Emphasis here is "avoid". As Dr. Hansen says, we can avoid catastrophic climate change when we phase out fossil fuel burning in the next few(!) decades.
I'm kooking forward to a much more vibrant conspiracy theories on this matter. See, I've just seen a video on salt acid lakes where the big huge warning is put DO NOT SWIM, and a skull, BUT, we like challenges. This one however IS a challenge to do MINDED mooves, not stupid.ones. Excellent video, thanks.
Natalia Shakova said it best when they discovered this when exploring......"We do not like what we see in the ESAS"
I agree that an explosive release of methane from the methane hydrates is unlikely. Still, I feel the urgency of the situation was downplayed here, specifically to project a sense of hope. The fact is that the urgings to rapidly terminate most of our anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions, has been ongoing for the last decade with only minor results. The optimists seem to believe that the failed history is irrelevant. Most people seem to have been exceedingly successful at excluding the following warnings from their consciousness. I urge readers to search for them.
IPCC report: ‘now or never’ if world is to stave off climate disaster (TheGuardian)
UN chief: World has less than 2 years to avoid 'runaway climate change' (TheHill)
* This statement was made 4-years ago.
It should be noted that the "skeptic" Juliana Mushayev in the video link is NOT a scientist. In fact, she's an "Interfaith Activist" whatever that is for the Center For Religious Tolerance. So just consider that if you actually want to take her claims that methane induced climate change is "overblown".
What is the effect of carbonic acid on methane hydrate ice ?
where did this notion that methane is a potent greenhouse gas come from, we live on a water world, methane absorption frequency overlaps with water vapour absorption frequency. please explain how this is a problem.
Is somebody knowing about the emission from methane emissions from coal mines, worked on a methane reduction project, even it was emitting C02 the rate of reduction was a few million car emission for one mine. No interest.
If I had my way it'd all be specialists doing below ground not mountain removal
The jetstream is drooling into Minnesota atm and polar ice is melting 600 times faster then expected
Well, or at least 6 times faster.....not 600...but still, yeah...
Well, if that were the case, then we would burn alive already now with no crops being able to grow… but one order of magnitude more sounds plausible.
A call to action. That’s nice. I think it’s pretty clear that the oil companies run the governments world wide. So, let’s hope that the oil companies watch some of these kind of videos soon, and take decisive action.
At least I didn’t have kids.
This video is what is known as "Hopium" If the hope of this message is that us limiting use of Fossil Fuels is the answer. Look around ...Fossil Fuels aren't going away.
The planet is not warming so why ride a bike when I can drive my Hummer
Read today Chevron stock up due to largest volumes of gas refined ever. This will not end. Admittedly I live in a rural area, but I have never seen an electric car on the road. Hope is a lie.
Dennis Mitchell It seems that the Oligarchs, Bankers, fund managers ETC, dont buy the Global Warming scam that they are selling. Trillions of dollars is coastal development gave that away for 3 decades.
Methane release is one of dozens of feedback loops that are already in progress just stopping the release of carbon emmisions is going to have little effect with what is already in motion
"ust stopping the release of carbon emmisions is going to have little effect with what is already in motion". Incorrect.
@@grindupBakerconfirmed initially at least here in 2023
Beyond mitigation now
Several People Whose opinions I trust say independently of each other that this will cost billions of human lives within a lifetime because of extreme flooding and changed weather patterns crippling agriculture. Either it’s too late to stop it or we have a couple of years to drastically lower the atmospheres CO2 content
As commented below, Dr Shakhova and her colleagues have been studying the East Siberian Shelf since I think 2004 every single year...when I say study, I mean go there, and stick a thingie in the sea and monitor it in situ. There is another video here (ruclips.net/video/D3L0R6LzEUE/видео.html) where Professor. Wadhams of Cambridge university scrutinizes the sweeping statements of the scientists in this video. Both the Ruskie and the Brit disagree strongly and moderately strongly (respectively) with what the researchers say in this video. CH4 is a clear and present danger to abrupt climate change.; go checkout atmosphere.copernicus.eu/charts/cams/methane-forecasts and look for yourself at the arctic region CH4 levels.
How much has "big-oil" paid, for this video?
Bjarne Cola How much do you wumao peasants get paid by the Chinese govt to vomit your propaganda???
Voidoflogic Hey slowman I know it is harder when you are not very bright but METHANE DECOMPOSES IN AIR...That is why you are not breathing dinosaur farts
WonderSoul Hey wumao ladyboy...When you go straight to the default "blame it on big oil" defense...it really shows that you have nothing. METHANE DECOMPOSES IN AIR you stupid hun dan. Science 101
how much ''big nuclear'' paid you for shilling ?
@Robert Williamson Nice try ;) I was responding to @Bjarne Cola
I think it is more a ''foucault'' reading case here, not an opiate, rather a delirant like the beladone if I had to pick an equivalent. Get yourself some aspirin for the headach if you ever intend to go through some of his work. I dont know the quality of the english translation you could get but in french it is always fair to assume with him that there is an average 20% of bullshit mixed with barely intelligible and obscure meta hypothesis and sometimes real pearls of wisdom buried deeep into shit. He still is a really talented philosopher, but the logic he did spread with derrida is at the core of how present day political activists from all ranges, inclue climate activism, organise and work. I mean, if you ever wanna try.
I would not blame you for skipping that one and just keeping it chill having a nice life and just adding to the general betterment by keeping it clean around you without bothering too much about whats going in on in present days universities. Have a nice day
Is anyone listening?
USEPA recognized us in 2008.
I'm just waiting for some James Bond level villain to go nuke the polar ice caps and kill us all.
1st - This video ( especially C Ruppel) state that the methane hydrates will be stable over 80 odd years due to the thermodynamics of the endothermic reaction (in that it cools as it reacts). What they did not state is that methane (and CO2) can also be produced by microbial activity on organic matter. This activity is heat producing.
2nd - The video does not state that only a small percentage of available methane hydrates has to be released for it to be "game over" (Sharakova). Methane can be from EITHER hydrates or microbial activity - or both.
3rd - methane is releasing right now (satellite data) and despite the endothermic reaction the geographic area is still heating up. Therefore, I don't see a "shut down" in the reaction (release) happening. Not even a pause. Certainly no endothermic cooling.
Your comment is worthless because you haven't provided an increase in Global Mean Surface Temperature (GMST) for "game over". Provide your estimate for GMST increase for "game over" and thus convert your comment from worthless to interesting.
@@grindupBaker Your reply is worthless (and pointless). Point 2 "game over" is from the source Shakhova (not my estimate). Next time before replying do your homework, all the details are there including temperatures and volumes (of methane). Points 1 and 3 also stand as is.
Well then why are we worried about fossil fuel, if their is no tipping point.
Hoje sabe-se que é o vazamento de metano que está causando o aquecimento local,
e que é irreversível, porque o processo já está muito avançado.
not even the 2nd ale gore movie talked much about it but it did bring it up
But methane molecules easily oxidizes with oxygen to make co2 molecules.
Hell yeah, Permian extinction but it's us this time! We had a good (actually terrible) run but we the only ones counting lmao
If we blame hydrates for PTEE then we must blame the Ice Age Sequence initiated with Carboniferous period
If these organics had not frozen over and been slowly digested anaerobic fashion but had remained in normal non frozen ecosystem
Then there would be no sudden imbalance
Don't lose any sleep over methane-hydrates, we should survive that just so long as we stop our burning of fossil fuels. How has that gone so far ? Actually not well, we are in fact all doomed.
Still waiting for them reductions in emissions.
methane oxidizes when it mixes with oxygen so it cannot build up to any significant levels in the atmosphere.
Loss of albedo?
just theoretically, once the methane accumulation in the Arctic catches a valid fire ignition, just about every square inch of the planet north of 43 degrees North latitude will be uninhabitable in about 6 weeks. And every living thing that does not evacuate in the first 6 days, will meet an unpleasant end. once the base of the water column reaches a temperature of 43 degrees F, the release of methane will present a tremendous hazard, and will be unstoppable, once an ignition takes place, the resulting fire will consume about 5 million square miles, at a "normal" temperature of the burning temperature of methane, the water will provide the oxygen as a fuel source.
The feedback reaction of the Past? Well, interpretation of graphics tells this, that after that possible reaction, and how far that reaction takes us, it ends. Why? I am not a scientist, but looked into the subject for a while now. Their is much more that has influence on our changing climate then only the human CO2 emissions, and the effect of methane in its whole, is it really that dangerous? The molecule in itself is very potent, but in the spectrum where it works, has it such a potential to highten the percentage of radiation intake to globally make it warmer?
The 25x increased potency of methane versus CO2 is over a hundred year time period. Methane is about 86x more potent than CO2 in a twenty year time period, a time period that really matters for the nearer term. So for example, if one Gigaton of Methane got released over a twenty year period it would be the equivalent of 86 Gton of CO2 being released over the same twenty year period. So that's roughly 4 Gton/year in what they call "CO2 equivalents" or about a 10% increase in heat-trapping greenhouse gases over this twenty year period. And that's just for a one Gton Methane release.
You can't get a 1 Gton release of Methane without getting a much larger release of CO2 over the same time period. Permafrost can't thaw and only release Methane, it has to release a combination of CO2 and Methane while it's in the process of thawing.
So let's assume that 40 Gtons of CO2 is released over a twenty year period versus 1 Gton of Methane. So 2 Gton/year of additional CO2 going into the atmosphere. Doesn't help but it's still not a large percentage of the total that will still be getting released due to human activities over this same 20 year period.
Bottom line is that whatever quantity of CO2 and Methane that ends up getting released due to permafrost thawing directly subtracts from the remaining "carbon budget" or the total amount of CO2 and Methane we can release into the atmosphere through our own activities and still have a chance to remain below a 2C temperature rise, on average, across the world.
It's guaranteed to make it more challenging to overcome, just how much more challenging is still an open question.
Thanks, Peter! Great video, as always. I like how you left it, with hope. Now let's get behind the bipartisan Energy Innovation and Carbon Dividend Act. James Hansen supports it and it would get us under 1.5 degree C.
We're already past 1.5 c...
Would like to see Yale do a vid digging into the options we have for the future. You see what is happening a 1C - the Global economy is likely to unravel at 1.5C - it looks like global dimming properties have been underestimated so we will exceed 1.5C relatively quickly - Is it really possible to reach 2C & have it stabilise? We are no longer in a situation where we can simply draw down emissions & not be in trouble
Maximum of Eocene was +18
Unrecognizable planet from orbit. Iridescent green on all (non submerged) land
Another, more thorough, blog comment to Peter Sinclair's work: frozen.earth/2019/02/yale-university-goes-out-of-its-way-to-say-nothing-to-see-here-on-permafrost/
It's not a problem, IF, we stop using fossil fuels over the next few years. The chances of that are 0%. Therefore permafrost methane is a huge problem, and in our lifetime!
Hansen is delusional it seems. Oh it's def something you should have nightmares about. Yeah.. indeed where is Natalia Shakova when you need her?
You said not in our lifetime. That's why governments don't care now!
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Nothing beats science and facts, thank god...
Here after looking into past five global extinctions . What actually can end us all ! I suggest you do the same . I have my opinion but look into it yourselves .
I was a bit worried when I saw the name Guy McPherson but then we got some real scientific explanation.
What wasn't mentioned was methane stored as gas in association with the methane clathrates at the bottom of the East Siberian Sea and other Arctic shelf seas.
This article is relevant
m.phys.org/news/2017-02-gas-hydrate-breakdown-massive-greenhouse.html
Guy is a pessimist for sure. The science is pretty clear though. This little snippets of longer conversations leaves out most of the relevant argument and focuses solely on the "bomb" aspect.
Well no ones doing anything to stop using carbon so this will be a very major concern.
Why do you call it a time bomb. It is a resource. Harness it, cool it down, store it, use it when needed. It could be the cheapest energy resource ever. You don't see the opportunity? Others will seze it.
I suggest if you can afford it to go ahead and retire.
Over 52 degrees Celsius those days în parts of India and Pakistan... The new normal??
not in our lifetime, she said hmm that s interesting I am not that sure
5:45 if we do something about carbon dioxide emissions. it's up to us. well, that means we are done for. we ain't going to do nothing.
interesting to look into weather manipulation leading cause climate of chrisis
Thats why NASA is studying Mars. Humans to migrate to Mars. Creating synthetic Oxygen in Mars.
A Call to Action, that's easily said.
Real Action, Yale, is to invite all these leaders, political, opinions, captains of industry, in particular the ones still spreading doubt about warming, the Koch's, the Trumps, Exxon & Shell ceo s invite them next summer on a trip around the Arctic. Be it Alaska, Svalbard, East Siberia. Once they see it with their own eyes, they ll know how urgently action is needed.
From what I've seen in videos of the Melting North and Methane Risks, (rapid) destabilizing of permafrost has insufficiently been researched, and Methane emissions are under- modelled in IPCC predictions. To let things go business as usual, is like taking a speeding car with all your family in it, and turn a blind corner.
2021: siberia is burning
Great video - when people dig deep into the numbers Arctic methane isn't the biggest issue right now, because we can do mitigation of co2 emmissions over the next couple of decades, which reduces that threat greatly. It's not like all the methane is going to explode out the ocean one day - that's just alarmist. If they really think that, then they should just give up and enjoy the rest of their life because that's the end. Good bye and thanks for all the fish.
People should be more concerned right now about 'fracking' - because between 6-10% of the fracked gas is lost to the atmosphere between the well and power station - and that's before burning the other 90-94% and dumping that co2 into the atmosphere. Thing is - the 6% that escapes is 25x more of a GHG than co2 - so the 6% that escaped is like 150% co2 + the 94% which gets burnt - adding even more to the overall GHG footprint of fracking derived gas... and then the sealed old wells fail after a few years releasing all their toxic fracking chems - and even more gas.
methane oxidises in the presence of O2 and converts to CO2 and also the most potent Greenhouse Gas is actually water vapour not CH4 of even CO2.
Bermuda Triangle
Methane pocket
Maybe they should have pushed Tesla's work rather than Einsteins........
Only time will tell.
Global dimming?
Latest study on aerosol masking, with the new normal "it is worst than previously though" message.
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/01/190122104611.htm
People have no idea how close we are to the end, thousands of scientists know about this.
Climate scientists too ?
Lol, it's not something you should be losing sleep over because we can mitigate it, but we WON'T!!!! we're increasing our emissions exponentially.
isn’t clean safer agriculture and clean textiles more important then fossil fuels
cows to eat sea weed to stop methane gas
and bring textile companies back home to be cleaner and safer
Very helpful thank you
Lmao the history of the last 10million years shows a methane spike in 20 years during which all the glaciers melt. So good luck with thinking I’m fine your fine we’re all fine just “don’t look up!”
Growing enough food will require more fossil fuels every day. Hopium is addictive.
Well well well. Apparently Yale is invested in downplaying the very real risk. Try again Yale. Many of use aren't that fucking stupid.