Suggestions: 1) Don't waste the pipe you've run already. Trench next to it and just shove it in the trench (while empty!). 1" at that flow is fine. Bigger pipe will silt up and become little pipe otherwise. Your well is only good for so much water flow. Over-pumping can be a disaster, and you have point-of-use tankage up top, a slow but steady flow is better for the pump, well, filter, and piping. 2) Definitely run signal/power lines down the trench for control. Use step-up then a step down transformers to keep the wire size down. I'd suggest you step-up to 600V then back down to 240V at the wellhead. 3) Run ALL the water thru your filter system. Don't try to segregate it, as it will drive you crazy. The silt isn't evil and is exactly what a filter is supposed to be there to remove. It should do it without any issues at all. The filter should backwash at regular intervals of filtering. 4) Save the backwash to your silty plant watering tank or just have it directly plumbed to whatever plants you want watered frequently. Typically your filter should be designed to need backwashing every 4 to 8 hours of filtering. Backwashing is typically 3 to 6 minutes at about 4 times the filtering flow. This is for a standard sand filter which is what this application would normally use. Your CLICK would be fun/easy to run the filter with. I do them all the time with CLICKs though usually their more complicated then yours would need to be. 5) Controlling water systems is the most fun! Thanks for the latest video!
Do you have Check valves on that pipe going up top? We had trouble with pumps not lasting long. Found out that putting in a few Check valves have stopped this. The pump after doing this has been running for 4 years now.. Nice work thanks for sharing..
When you opened the valve @10:00, you not oly have the well pump, but the water from the hill was making its way back down, it's like having 2 pumps. that's why the pressure increases. Where i worked they had a 4" plastic pipe from our well that was suppsed to be rated for 600PSI, yet for some reason it shattered the flange (bolted flange joining pipes), hammer is bad (if that's what happened)
Hi There, Please assist with your pumps specifications. I have a similar problem here and my crops are having problems with gas pumps at the moment. Thanks in advance. Tosin
I hope you bought the UVR type of PVC. Even that will become brittle with a few years sun exposure, but it'll last longer than the plain stuff. If this is going to be a semi-permanent install, then you should definitely paint the pipe, and stake it down.
I'm about to start a similar project moving water up the mountain at about 1800 feet from a spring cave we found on the bottom of the property. Any tips or suggestions that you could provide? We're looking to use poly pipe and a submersible pump run off a generator. Anything I can do to avoid headaches down the road that you ran into during or since?
Could you make a similar system for a house? I'm considering buying some land, and there is a spring on the bottom of a a hill. Probably 60 feet elevation change max, and 800 feet away. Would it need to be pumped into another container before connecting to the house?
@@katiefuller3656 We have not yet, but hoping to. Hope it goes smooth for you if you pull the trigger. I'm sure the equipment exists to do it, just a matter of cost. I'd probably have an engineer of sorts take a gander my plans before pulling the trigger.
are you going to bury the pipe to keep it from freezing and getting run over and broke and with the well pump why not use a DC pump and a DC pressure pump with solar ?
@@HighTechLab Ahh got it. consider running a 1p 240 - 480 or even 600v transformer to get power down that trench without killing yourself on wire cost. rough mental math puts it at 12awg copper for both pumps at 600v.
A bit, but not too bad. We get around 16 GPM at the bottom of the hill and about 14 GPM at the top of the hill. This is the benefit of having the 3 HP pump.
My understanding is the Poly is not rated for the pressure that we need and the cost is greater than the PVC pipe. For the pipe I was $600 for 1400 ft. do you know if Poly would be sufficient and if they sell it in 2"?
@@HighTechLab hdpesupply.com/1-1-4-ips-sdr11-pe4710-black-hdpe-pipe-500-coil/ i;m sure you could find a 1500' coil. but yea looks like PSI wise its fine.
Hi, I would like to make 2 suggestions to you, 1. Why don't you wire a PLC into your generator so you can use a start and stop button to control your generator? 2. When you were installing your water pipe, why didn't you install a steel wire armored cable next to it to provide a power supply for your pumps, you could also lay a fiber cable at the same time and use the fiber to communicate with a IP enabled PLC (like your solar plc) to control your pumps, so when your tanks get low, you can start the pumps and fill them without having to drive all they way down, it will also save you fuel as you can use power off your solar system to run your water pumps.
Probably would be nice, but a rough estimate for that would be around 500-1000 dollars for the direct burial fiber optic cable, another 500 dollars to have it spliced, and to get any usable power at the other end with a usable short circuit current (so that breakers trip when there’s a fault) at 120 VAC, we’re talking probably around 1000 - 2000 dollars for the power cable. Distance is a bitch when it comes to power cabling. So I imagine that he has quite a lot more useable projects to burn 5 grand on.
I have watched several of your video's and I would like to say "WHAT A HUGE WAIST OF TIME & MONEY!" Did someone pass and leave you too much money for you to handle responsibly?
We thinking about the short run or long run here? It will save coming down every few days to fill up the tank multiple times to take it up the hill. Yes, it took a while to put in but in the future will save time
How is this a waist of time and money? In one of his videos, he told us the cost of his PV system, versus what a power company would've charged him for getting power to his house. I don't recall the exact numbers, but I believe the PV system was about 30% of the cost of what the power company wanted. I'm pretty sure that the same goes for water. Also, who are you to judge if this is handling money responsibly or not? If you don't like what he's doing, why are you even watching his videos?
No one passed and left us money. We are living in travel trailer and working day in and out to build our dream property. For the amount of time it was taking to haul water, I could be doing things that earn me far more money instead of spending it on fuel and wear and tear on a truck. This pipe project will pay for itself in a matter of weeks. In regards to the position of the of grid power room, the local utility company wanted to charge us $70,000 to bring us power! Adding on to that the average cost per kwh in our area is around $.30! For that much per kwh it is equal cost in fuel to burn diesel in the generator even without solar panels. We are by far saving a ton of money doing things the way we are. Not only that but the local utility is sending out letters across the state that they will begin conducting power outages on windy dry days to prevent fires, which they have been sued for causing. While many in our state are it of power we will be sitting back in the air conditioning enjoying life.
My, my; you sound like a real no-fun guy. By the way, you can WASTE money but your belt goes around your WAIST. Learn proper English and maybe you can make some money to waste.
who in the world asked you to criticize this project...what are you...the junior high hall monitor....appointed to give your silly opinion on things....
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Suggestions:
1) Don't waste the pipe you've run already. Trench next to it and just shove it in the trench (while empty!). 1" at that flow is fine. Bigger pipe will silt up and become little pipe otherwise. Your well is only good for so much water flow. Over-pumping can be a disaster, and you have point-of-use tankage up top, a slow but steady flow is better for the pump, well, filter, and piping.
2) Definitely run signal/power lines down the trench for control. Use step-up then a step down transformers to keep the wire size down. I'd suggest you step-up to 600V then back down to 240V at the wellhead.
3) Run ALL the water thru your filter system. Don't try to segregate it, as it will drive you crazy. The silt isn't evil and is exactly what a filter is supposed to be there to remove. It should do it without any issues at all. The filter should backwash at regular intervals of filtering.
4) Save the backwash to your silty plant watering tank or just have it directly plumbed to whatever plants you want watered frequently. Typically your filter should be designed to need backwashing every 4 to 8 hours of filtering. Backwashing is typically 3 to 6 minutes at about 4 times the filtering flow. This is for a standard sand filter which is what this application would normally use. Your CLICK would be fun/easy to run the filter with. I do them all the time with CLICKs though usually their more complicated then yours would need to be.
5) Controlling water systems is the most fun!
Thanks for the latest video!
Bro I aint reading this mess😂
Do you have Check valves on that pipe going up top? We had trouble with pumps not lasting long. Found out that putting in a few Check valves have stopped this. The pump after doing this has been running for 4 years now.. Nice work thanks for sharing..
Yeah,I saw that video from Practical Engineering ,too! :D
When you opened the valve @10:00, you not oly have the well pump, but the water from the hill was making its way back down, it's like having 2 pumps. that's why the pressure increases.
Where i worked they had a 4" plastic pipe from our well that was suppsed to be rated for 600PSI, yet for some reason it shattered the flange (bolted flange joining pipes), hammer is bad (if that's what happened)
Hi There,
Please assist with your pumps specifications.
I have a similar problem here and my crops are having problems with gas pumps at the moment.
Thanks in advance.
Tosin
that's crazy. Pumping directly from the well to 140' up hill. Could you pump with a solar powered system?
Will you have to do anything special in 5 months to handle freezing temperatures during winter nights?
The goal is by then to have a 2" water line trenched and buried along with sending power down the hill.
I also can simply drain the pipe out when the tanks are full.
what kind of pump are you using?
I hope you bought the UVR type of PVC. Even that will become brittle with a few years sun exposure, but it'll last longer than the plain stuff.
If this is going to be a semi-permanent install, then you should definitely paint the pipe, and stake it down.
He plans on burying it eventually (I assume power from building but that is a very long line to run 240v over assuming that's what he uses there)
I'd step up the voltage to at least 480v to run down the hill. If I can find transformers I'd run it up to 960v
So you're just using a deep well pump in series with a shallow well pump and that can get it all the way to the top?
I'm about to start a similar project moving water up the mountain at about 1800 feet from a spring cave we found on the bottom of the property. Any tips or suggestions that you could provide? We're looking to use poly pipe and a submersible pump run off a generator. Anything I can do to avoid headaches down the road that you ran into during or since?
What are you going to use to permanently power it?
What’s the function of the pool filter just for sediment, good overview
That's correct. It catches the big stuff to try and keep the tank somewhat clean.
Can you brake down the actual pump system??
Could you make a similar system for a house? I'm considering buying some land, and there is a spring on the bottom of a a hill. Probably 60 feet elevation change max, and 800 feet away. Would it need to be pumped into another container before connecting to the house?
Did you ever do this ? How'd it go? Were in about the same situation
@@katiefuller3656 We have not yet, but hoping to. Hope it goes smooth for you if you pull the trigger. I'm sure the equipment exists to do it, just a matter of cost. I'd probably have an engineer of sorts take a gander my plans before pulling the trigger.
Wondering if that pump will pull water up 1300' if suction pipe is placed in a lake?
are you going to bury the pipe to keep it from freezing and getting run over and broke and with the well pump why not use a DC pump and a DC pressure pump with solar ?
Whats the horse power of that pump sending the water up hill
Sir could you tell me the deepwell pump spec?
540’ JEEZUZ
How much hp pump is that
That looks like northern california.
What was your elevation change?
120 ft
no thrust control on the pipe aside from friction with the ground?
That is correct. as I mentioned in other comments this is just temporary for a few months until we can trench up the hill with some bigger pipe
@@HighTechLab Ahh got it. consider running a 1p 240 - 480 or even 600v transformer to get power down that trench without killing yourself on wire cost. rough mental math puts it at 12awg copper for both pumps at 600v.
@@jeepxj gotta figure out how to get it up to 1440v ;)
@@HighTechLab you mean 14,400 i think. ebay has those transformers as well. 400 an end for your load.
Do you lose GPM as the pressure decreases uphill?
A bit, but not too bad. We get around 16 GPM at the bottom of the hill and about 14 GPM at the top of the hill. This is the benefit of having the 3 HP pump.
Are you going to put it in the ground?
He said he would to another guy's question
@@chabka34 thx
Great point... i wont watch any more of his vids.
Why wouldn't you run that pipe as a single piece of poly?
My understanding is the Poly is not rated for the pressure that we need and the cost is greater than the PVC pipe. For the pipe I was $600 for 1400 ft. do you know if Poly would be sufficient and if they sell it in 2"?
@@HighTechLab hdpesupply.com/1-1-4-ips-sdr11-pe4710-black-hdpe-pipe-500-coil/ i;m sure you could find a 1500' coil. but yea looks like PSI wise its fine.
@@jeepxj 200 psi is cutting it close for any surge
Hi, I would like to make 2 suggestions to you,
1. Why don't you wire a PLC into your generator so you can use a start and stop button to control your generator?
2. When you were installing your water pipe, why didn't you install a steel wire armored cable next to it to provide a power supply for your pumps, you could also lay a fiber cable at the same time and use the fiber to communicate with a IP enabled PLC (like your solar plc) to control your pumps, so when your tanks get low, you can start the pumps and fill them without having to drive all they way down, it will also save you fuel as you can use power off your solar system to run your water pumps.
Probably would be nice, but a rough estimate for that would be around 500-1000 dollars for the direct burial fiber optic cable, another 500 dollars to have it spliced, and to get any usable power at the other end with a usable short circuit current (so that breakers trip when there’s a fault) at 120 VAC, we’re talking probably around 1000 - 2000 dollars for the power cable. Distance is a bitch when it comes to power cabling. So I imagine that he has quite a lot more useable projects to burn 5 grand on.
I would flip my shit on you if I'd have been driving that tractor. Bury that water pipe and build a well house. That way you stuff lasts longer.
I have watched several of your video's and I would like to say "WHAT A HUGE WAIST OF TIME & MONEY!" Did someone pass and leave you too much money for you to handle responsibly?
We thinking about the short run or long run here? It will save coming down every few days to fill up the tank multiple times to take it up the hill. Yes, it took a while to put in but in the future will save time
How is this a waist of time and money? In one of his videos, he told us the cost of his PV system, versus what a power company would've charged him for getting power to his house. I don't recall the exact numbers, but I believe the PV system was about 30% of the cost of what the power company wanted. I'm pretty sure that the same goes for water.
Also, who are you to judge if this is handling money responsibly or not? If you don't like what he's doing, why are you even watching his videos?
No one passed and left us money. We are living in travel trailer and working day in and out to build our dream property. For the amount of time it was taking to haul water, I could be doing things that earn me far more money instead of spending it on fuel and wear and tear on a truck. This pipe project will pay for itself in a matter of weeks.
In regards to the position of the of grid power room, the local utility company wanted to charge us $70,000 to bring us power! Adding on to that the average cost per kwh in our area is around $.30! For that much per kwh it is equal cost in fuel to burn diesel in the generator even without solar panels. We are by far saving a ton of money doing things the way we are.
Not only that but the local utility is sending out letters across the state that they will begin conducting power outages on windy dry days to prevent fires, which they have been sued for causing. While many in our state are it of power we will be sitting back in the air conditioning enjoying life.
My, my; you sound like a real no-fun guy. By the way, you can WASTE money but your belt goes around your WAIST. Learn proper English and maybe you can make some money to waste.
who in the world asked you to criticize this project...what are you...the junior high hall monitor....appointed to give your silly opinion on things....