I drive on hwy 140 in Oregon from Medford to K. falls every day, and this is exactly how my drive looks during winter. I try not to chain up if I don’t have to. Slow and steady is the way to go. Be safe out there!
Girl I'm currently in Saltese Montana, they had the chain law in effect around midnight, I'm here I 90 west with no chains.... trying to see if I should just chance it by going slow and steady without applying the brakes
@@dadad9342 Hey girl, idk if you left already or not. But I would say get you some chains first before you leave, because if something happens where you do get stuck or whatever the case may be, at least you’ll have them to help get you out. Also, you don’t want to get caught without them on especially if the chain law is in effect. You’ll pay a big fine.
@@dadad9342 it depends on how much experience with winter driving you have. Go at your own risk but I would advise at least carrying chains with you anytime you’re out here on the Northwest. Be safe girl.
100% downgrades, scales, overweight trailers, chaining, dropping and hooking trailers which means trailers would even have to be totally revamped. it's wayyy too many things, too many little things even for something like that to happen anytime soon. at least another 20-30 years. They can't even get driver-less Cars right let alone Semis lol
There are truck drivers like me who drive in the city and think we are all that and then there are real Truck drivers who drive down a snowy mountains and think that is normal. My respect to you sir and all those brace men and women Truck divers out there. 😆 🤣
My Respect to you my good man. I've been through some bad snow, nothing like this and definitely not on an automatic. You have a lot of courage my friend.
good driving driver u can go down a hill 100 times every driver is diffrent every truck is diffrent EVERY HILL IS DIFFRENT It only takes 1 time to change lives if ur not sure creep CREEP DOWN LIKE 20 MPH WITH 4 WAYS ON THATS LEGAL AND SAFE WHEN U GET IT DOWN IN RIGHT GEAR IV RUN MY JAKE ALL THE DOWN NOT 1 BRAKE TAP OVER 100 TIMES 30 YEARS JAKES ARE SAFE THUMBS UP DRIVER KEEP TEACHING BE SAFE FOR ALL OF US NO CHAINS THIS GUY IS SEASONED
@@daraider1254I do too, I've used them in snow on the Colorado mountains and never had an issue. Using extremely strong jake brakes with a light load or empty could cause you to jack knife so they say
More people should be watching you .. I sincerely think you are a good driver and should do more videos on winter driving.. I am at infant level of truck driving and in the process of doing my learners... thanks for sharing and good luck from Montreal Quebec 👍👌
I been driving slick and nasty mountain pass's fer forty yeears and AH could not, ah say ah could not imagine doing it without me jake brakes......switching between those jake settings like a kid with a joystick on a fast moving video game......well maybe not quite that much but anyways... I ran from Clammy Balls to Medford over hwy 140 6 days a week with a set of double tankers....lots o fun when empty on the snotty stuff......But there was one night in particular....it was snowing hard hard hard.....that pass has some of the most radical weather changes of any pass I have ran through. I was loaded just under 105,000 as usual.....visibility was damn near zero....crawling along at maybe 10 or 15 mph across the top of the pass.....twas nice to finally get to the bottom and out of the snow. Coming back empty is what made it memorable...I was blasting through over a foot of virgin powder that felt like driving on white sand....it was like I had full traction so I was doing 60 mph back across the top through this pretty deep virgin powder snow in the middle of the night with no other cars in sight for miles. It was so quiet and smooth and the full moon was out bright as it turned into a clear night sky so all the snow crystals were sparkling bright as I have ever seen them. It was almost like a magical fairy tale scene and when I'd hit the much deeper drifts the snow would explode out ahead of me as I blew through the drifts. Anyways...the moral of the story is: Don't be afraid to use your jakes on snow and ice...you have to discriminate between the off setting and positions 1, 2 and 3.
Guys u were even watched this video? He explained everything and Your q are answered in this video like wthell xD Im from UK about to move to Canada but I could suspect it the way You showed, good to keep in mind revs numbers, but why wouldn't we wont ho harder on Jake brake? (Its engine/exhaust brake?) Cos of slipping?
I would avoid using the service brakes at all. At these low speeds, it is safe to use the jakes. If the trailer DOES start to get unstable, you can use the trolley brakes to get it under control.
I try not to even use brakes, find the right gear and stay at high rpms, if you have to use the brakes, slow down before the turns, if its a long turn then slow down more to compensate for the momentum you will pick up in the turn
Excellent video bro. Can you explain why you want to keep the rpms around 14-1500? Also, if you were in automatic what rpm would the truck be before upshifting?
Torque curve starts to drop off around there on most engines. Also, diesel engines start to have issues when continuously driven around or above 2k rpm due to engine harmonics. If you listen to your engine, around 1400 - 1500 rpm is about where most engines start to sing ie get an oscillating harmonic ringing tone and that's usually the sweet spot. Each engine has their own personality, even same models that were made next to each other on the assembly line can act differently, so make sure to listen to your engine and find her "happy" place. Gas engines will do this as well but don't "sing" quite like or as loudly as a diesel.
Why do u not want to use stage 2 or 3 on jake. Its all according to situation. Just as an fyi i hauled coal in mts of southeast ky. Every load was at least gross of 160,000. There were no automatics period in coal hauling, in my opinion standard is only way to go go.all of this is on two lane road with no shoulder and all dirt around jobsite. If ur only on stage 1 it cant be very steep.
I was empty and going down a hill at 38 mph and started skidding and jackknifed and fired ..yes you”re loaded which is the difference but you were going basically the same speed .. wish my company woulda gave me a break
@@johncalvo1743 mate I meant that if you use your engine brake / Jake brake / retarder / compression on slippery surfaces this might lead your vehicle to jack knife.
Confused how are you driving with your air at 0? Are Freightliner’s just not setup the same as Pete’s where your emergency breaks are supposed to pop between 20-40psi? I hear the warning thing going nuts the whole video saying ur under 60psi lol
engine brake is safer many times that regular brakes. It slows down the axle itself and not the wheels so less liable to slip, and when it does slip the ECU turns off immediately while by the time you notice wheels are slipping due to regular brake it's too late.
I gotta learn how to use manual mode. So are you saying it’s safe to use the jakes in the first position in the snow and rain going down a grade? Like you won’t jackknife doing that?
You can use the Jake in high, these new Jake's arent like the old ones where they'd lock up the tires in snow. These new ones are done by the exhaust and turbo so I run high all the time never any problems
So what if you dont know how to use manual on the automatic what the best way to tackle a situation of going on any downgrade during winter conditions?
Does your company not enable that option/ability to switch into manual mode? They should! Computer downshifts on an icy road is a recipe for disaster. I'd have a nice chat with someone. Putting the Auto into Manual is the same as driving a stick. You have the control.
Why no Jakes? 1 and 2 when in a straight line? 10 minute mark and I'd guess your brakes would be too hot to the touch..... Just my figuring? Maybe words of wisdom from others might prove me wrong but that's ok. I'm not looking to be a hero, I just want to learn.
I use them. They work as advertised. Amazing how it seems you don't need them as often after you install them. 🤣 Without them.. windshield is a frozen mess all the time. They're worth the price.
Jakes are not meant to be used on slippery roads like ice because only the drives are slowing down and the other tires can lose traction and you can lose control of the truck. Some people use jakes all the time: probably not smart. But if you combine braking, which works on all tires, with jake braking, you might get away with somewhat slippery road like rain. If I had a heavy load on a slippery downgrade, I might use the jake at the lowest setting and mostly use the regular brakes. If you cannot use the jakes much or at all, you might need to go down an icy grade at literally 10 or 15 mph to be truly safe. Use flashers, of course.
Inexperienced drivers that have no idea what they are doing or how to manage momentum can jacknife in an instant because thay don't know what they are doing.
@@daraider1254 Yes... My rule is that if i use the jake, i dont use the pedal brake. I have learned from experience and trial and error. That is really the only way to learn how to use it in snow. A rookie driver is not going to have that experience, and it is not something that can really be taught because of so many different conditions, so most trainers/companies just say not to use it.
@@Bendigo1 OH OK, I thought you meant anybody who's uses the jake is inexperienced. Yea 100%. As long as you are at a correct speed you can go down a grade in a high gear on a manual if you use the jake not just an automatic. So useful especially in the snow. It's really all about speed at the end of the day, as long as your speed is right you won't be put in a unfavorable situation. What is your opinion on that dude that just got 110 years. I think he got caught up in exactly what your talking about, inexperience and too much break pedal he lost his breaks. probably didn't even know what a truck ramp is which is why he passed it. I think the company should be at fault for not fully evaluating their drivers to make sure their properly up to par
@@daraider1254 I reslly don;t know about that one. It is hard to say what was going through his head. I think he might have thought he could still save it. He might not have been thinking at all. I see that way too often, with as many new drivers that are being put out on the roads. A lot of the new drivers have absolutely no common sense, Even experienced drivers can lack common sense but somehow have managed to not kill anyone...yet.
The air pressure he is talking about is the "applied pressure" on the brake pedal. He is putting 15-20 pounds of pressure on the brake pedal. It has nothing to do with the pressure built up inside the air tanks.
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When I was a line haul driver we used to call our personal safe speed our "ditch" speed, only go as fast as you feel comfortable hitting the ditch.
Good to know. Thx for that bud
I drive on hwy 140 in Oregon from Medford to K. falls every day, and this is exactly how my drive looks during winter. I try not to chain up if I don’t have to. Slow and steady is the way to go. Be safe out there!
Girl I'm currently in Saltese Montana, they had the chain law in effect around midnight, I'm here I 90 west with no chains.... trying to see if I should just chance it by going slow and steady without applying the brakes
@@dadad9342 Hey girl, idk if you left already or not. But I would say get you some chains first before you leave, because if something happens where you do get stuck or whatever the case may be, at least you’ll have them to help get you out. Also, you don’t want to get caught without them on especially if the chain law is in effect. You’ll pay a big fine.
@@dadad9342 it depends on how much experience with winter driving you have. Go at your own risk but I would advise at least carrying chains with you anytime you’re out here on the Northwest. Be safe girl.
@@ladytrucker50 thank you so much 🙏🙏🙏
Do you use the engine brakes in such situation?
Thanks this is why self driving trucks Will never replace drivers every situation is different computers can’t predict what to do at what times
Lol 😂
true. the horse-drawn buggy was the sa.....oh wait
@@devtrash I imagine ur aware of the amount of data that would have to compiled to complete that system? Sometime in the future, but not anytime soon.
100% downgrades, scales, overweight trailers, chaining, dropping and hooking trailers which means trailers would even have to be totally revamped. it's wayyy too many things, too many little things even for something like that to happen anytime soon. at least another 20-30 years. They can't even get driver-less Cars right let alone Semis lol
There are truck drivers like me who drive in the city and think we are all that and then there are real Truck drivers who drive down a snowy mountains and think that is normal. My respect to you sir and all those brace men and women Truck divers out there. 😆 🤣
Great video .. I run snowy mountains, I watch this stuff to give my confidence a boost lol .
Excellent technique... Thank you Jeremy!!
My Respect to you my good man. I've been through some bad snow, nothing like this and definitely not on an automatic. You have a lot of courage my friend.
Lolol no chains, and BAREFOOT… love it! 👌
Great video great advice. About to do my first winter in UPS feeders. ✌️From MTL Quebec !!
Dude I wouldn’t work In those conditions nice one brother hard work.
This is a great demo thanks driver!
good driving driver u can go down a hill 100 times every driver is diffrent every truck is diffrent EVERY HILL IS DIFFRENT It only takes 1 time to change lives if ur not sure creep CREEP DOWN LIKE 20 MPH WITH 4 WAYS ON THATS LEGAL AND SAFE WHEN U GET IT DOWN IN RIGHT GEAR IV RUN MY JAKE ALL THE DOWN NOT 1 BRAKE TAP OVER 100 TIMES 30 YEARS JAKES ARE SAFE THUMBS UP DRIVER KEEP TEACHING BE SAFE FOR ALL OF US NO CHAINS THIS GUY IS SEASONED
Did your caps break mid sentence?
why do they say not to use your jake? I do it all the time
@@daraider1254I do too, I've used them in snow on the Colorado mountains and never had an issue. Using extremely strong jake brakes with a light load or empty could cause you to jack knife so they say
Great video, any rookies watching this should learn this and share with other rookies. Let’s keep those roads safe.
I was just on that pass last week in the snow. You give good sound advice. I also do cabbage and deadmans pass about once a week.
Epic work. I wouldn't dare try it in these conditions but solid work mate
Me either...I was scared watching this vid
More people should be watching you .. I sincerely think you are a good driver and should do more videos on winter driving.. I am at infant level of truck driving and in the process of doing my learners... thanks for sharing and good luck from Montreal Quebec 👍👌
I'm infant level in automatics.... Way different than manual. Me on the ice in this beast 😳😬😵😩 😂😂😂😂
I been driving around 12 years OTR, I must say this video is golden. Very well explained for reasons why…….. if you know you know
Great video 👍🏽
yea I'd rather just not deal with it at all by staying in the south during the winter 🤷🏾♂️
Great video!!!
Great video.
I been driving slick and nasty mountain pass's fer forty yeears and AH could not, ah say ah could not imagine doing it without me jake brakes......switching between those jake settings like a kid with a joystick on a fast moving video game......well maybe not quite that much but anyways...
I ran from Clammy Balls to Medford over hwy 140 6 days a week with a set of double tankers....lots o fun when empty on the snotty stuff......But there was one night in particular....it was snowing hard hard hard.....that pass has some of the most radical weather changes of any pass I have ran through. I was loaded just under 105,000 as usual.....visibility was damn near zero....crawling along at maybe 10 or 15 mph across the top of the pass.....twas nice to finally get to the bottom and out of the snow.
Coming back empty is what made it memorable...I was blasting through over a foot of virgin powder that felt like driving on white sand....it was like I had full traction so I was doing 60 mph back across the top through this pretty deep virgin powder snow in the middle of the night with no other cars in sight for miles. It was so quiet and smooth and the full moon was out bright as it turned into a clear night sky so all the snow crystals were sparkling bright as I have ever seen them. It was almost like a magical fairy tale scene and when I'd hit the much deeper drifts the snow would explode out ahead of me as I blew through the drifts.
Anyways...the moral of the story is: Don't be afraid to use your jakes on snow and ice...you have to discriminate between the off setting and positions 1, 2 and 3.
Why were you at 105000 in Oregon? Max gross in Oregon for heavy haul is 102300.
I'm sure oncoming traffic loves seeing a truck driver in these conditions playing with his cell phone instead of focusing on the road.
Guys u were even watched this video? He explained everything and Your q are answered in this video like wthell xD
Im from UK about to move to Canada but I could suspect it the way You showed, good to keep in mind revs numbers, but why wouldn't we wont ho harder on Jake brake? (Its engine/exhaust brake?) Cos of slipping?
I would avoid using the service brakes at all. At these low speeds, it is safe to use the jakes. If the trailer DOES start to get unstable, you can use the trolley brakes to get it under control.
Ya i do the same nd also i use spike brakes just before a sharp curve to get it in control
Is your interlock/power divider engaged?
Thank you
I try not to even use brakes, find the right gear and stay at high rpms, if you have to use the brakes, slow down before the turns, if its a long turn then slow down more to compensate for the momentum you will pick up in the turn
Great vid...good advice, no cursing 🤓
It’s all definitely what’s you hauling I’m from Northeast and I’m afraid when snows more than 6 inches , no way to drive empty trailer very dangerous,
Excellent video bro. Can you explain why you want to keep the rpms around 14-1500? Also, if you were in automatic what rpm would the truck be before upshifting?
Torque curve starts to drop off around there on most engines. Also, diesel engines start to have issues when continuously driven around or above 2k rpm due to engine harmonics. If you listen to your engine, around 1400 - 1500 rpm is about where most engines start to sing ie get an oscillating harmonic ringing tone and that's usually the sweet spot. Each engine has their own personality, even same models that were made next to each other on the assembly line can act differently, so make sure to listen to your engine and find her "happy" place. Gas engines will do this as well but don't "sing" quite like or as loudly as a diesel.
Why do u not want to use stage 2 or 3 on jake. Its all according to situation. Just as an fyi i hauled coal in mts of southeast ky. Every load was at least gross of 160,000. There were no automatics period in coal hauling, in my opinion standard is only way to go go.all of this is on two lane road with no shoulder and all dirt around jobsite. If ur only on stage 1 it cant be very steep.
I was empty and going down a hill at 38 mph and started skidding and jackknifed and fired ..yes you”re loaded which is the difference but you were going basically the same speed .. wish my company woulda gave me a break
Man I've been driving 30 plus and I always use the Jake. I'd be in level 2 as you wouldn't have to user your brakes so much
In cold weather your service brakes will heat slower and will cooldown faster.
So that you can use your service brakes more often then usual.
@@tugrahanzeybek1831 But why use them if you don't have to? I rarely touch my brakes going downhill, no matter where I'm at.
@@johncalvo1743 mate I meant that if you use your engine brake / Jake brake / retarder / compression on slippery surfaces this might lead your vehicle to jack knife.
@@tugrahanzeybek1831 Very unlikely with today's jakes, especially if you are just going 35mph. And if it does, you can use the trolley brake.
Confused how are you driving with your air at 0? Are Freightliner’s just not setup the same as Pete’s where your emergency breaks are supposed to pop between 20-40psi? I hear the warning thing going nuts the whole video saying ur under 60psi lol
I was wondering that too
Cory Draper suggested to use the engine brake set at 2 . What say you?
It really depends on the conditions.
any thoughts on the Allison 4650RDS?
Why dont you use winter tires for your truck ?
Can you do the same going uphill in an auto trans?
engine brake is safer many times that regular brakes. It slows down the axle itself and not the wheels so less liable to slip, and when it does slip the ECU turns off immediately while by the time you notice wheels are slipping due to regular brake it's too late.
I gotta learn how to use manual mode. So are you saying it’s safe to use the jakes in the first position in the snow and rain going down a grade? Like you won’t jackknife doing that?
You can use the Jake in high, these new Jake's arent like the old ones where they'd lock up the tires in snow. These new ones are done by the exhaust and turbo so I run high all the time never any problems
You are only going 30mph. Not much can go wrong using the jakes. If the trailer DOES start to get unstable, just use your trolley brake.
You don’t want to use the jakes ??
Use the Jake brake it's perfectly fine and a lot safer than the brake pedal
So what if you dont know how to use manual on the automatic what the best way to tackle a situation of going on any downgrade during winter conditions?
Gd question.
Learn how to use it on dry road it’s easy
Does your company not enable that option/ability to switch into manual mode?
They should!
Computer downshifts on an icy road is a recipe for disaster.
I'd have a nice chat with someone.
Putting the Auto into Manual is the same as driving a stick.
You have the control.
Keep the speeds as low as possible. I'd say go down an icy grade at literally 10 or 15 mph to be truly safe. Use flashers, of course.
Why no Jakes? 1 and 2 when in a straight line? 10 minute mark and I'd guess your brakes would be too hot to the touch..... Just my figuring? Maybe words of wisdom from others might prove me wrong but that's ok. I'm not looking to be a hero, I just want to learn.
That’s some bad roads my friend
Dude? Cdl school is teacing me not to use your Breaks and no stabbing. ,it will lock your tires.and where are the escape ramps?
you aren't worried about hitting ice?
I'm confused. With low air pressure why hasn't your pop out valves popped out and your breaks not locked up?
thats his applied pressure, not air pressure total. truck wouldn't even move if the air was that low
Rookie driver here, 6 mo. Never driven mountains in the winter. Just got a dedicated run drivin Donner Pass 2x daily. Anyone have some advice, thanks
Start praying lol
Are you driving 18 speed?
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Do you use those Everblade heated wiper blades?
I have not used those. Seems like a great concept however..
I use them.
They work as advertised.
Amazing how it seems you don't need them as often after you install them. 🤣
Without them.. windshield is a frozen mess all the time.
They're worth the price.
Hey buddy show us the ROAD not your steering wheel. 😅
What is that horn sound ?Buzzing Sound.
Look at his air tank gages they are under 20
Sir can we use Jake brake in snow for downhill
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Jakes are not meant to be used on slippery roads like ice because only the drives are slowing down and the other tires can lose traction and you can lose control of the truck. Some people use jakes all the time: probably not smart. But if you combine braking, which works on all tires, with jake braking, you might get away with somewhat slippery road like rain. If I had a heavy load on a slippery downgrade, I might use the jake at the lowest setting and mostly use the regular brakes. If you cannot use the jakes much or at all, you might need to go down an icy grade at literally 10 or 15 mph to be truly safe. Use flashers, of course.
102 K? thought max was 80K in the US?
Its canada bro
@@prashantthakur6884 it's the U.S he says Oregon
I’m glad you think it is safe to drive snow SMH
What about jacks break in this situation
No. Possibly loose the trailer. I'm getting nervous just watching it.
Nope nope nope lol
why do they say not to use your jake? I use em no problem, never even touch the break
Inexperienced drivers that have no idea what they are doing or how to manage momentum can jacknife in an instant because thay don't know what they are doing.
@@Bendigo1 as in people who use the jake or the ones who fully rely on the break
@@daraider1254 Yes... My rule is that if i use the jake, i dont use the pedal brake. I have learned from experience and trial and error. That is really the only way to learn how to use it in snow. A rookie driver is not going to have that experience, and it is not something that can really be taught because of so many different conditions, so most trainers/companies just say not to use it.
@@Bendigo1 OH OK, I thought you meant anybody who's uses the jake is inexperienced. Yea 100%. As long as you are at a correct speed you can go down a grade in a high gear on a manual if you use the jake not just an automatic. So useful especially in the snow. It's really all about speed at the end of the day, as long as your speed is right you won't be put in a unfavorable situation. What is your opinion on that dude that just got 110 years. I think he got caught up in exactly what your talking about, inexperience and too much break pedal he lost his breaks. probably didn't even know what a truck ramp is which is why he passed it. I think the company should be at fault for not fully evaluating their drivers to make sure their properly up to par
@@daraider1254 I reslly don;t know about that one. It is hard to say what was going through his head. I think he might have thought he could still save it. He might not have been thinking at all. I see that way too often, with as many new drivers that are being put out on the roads. A lot of the new drivers have absolutely no common sense, Even experienced drivers can lack common sense but somehow have managed to not kill anyone...yet.
102k that's oversize load normal max is 80k
No, you can register your trucks GVW for more weight, I see trucks registered at 105,500 and 110,000 all the time
@@r80ishere Sure, if you have another axle or two, such as an A train or B train.
Can we see the road please? Who wants to watch a dashboard!
Yeah, I was getting seasick from, foot to dash to hood, and again and again and again and again.
Why air pressure is such a concern?
When the air pressure gets below a certain point, the emergency brakes will pop out and you’ll spin out of control
@@HenryPaulThe3rd OK,I figured it was something like that,thanks.
The brakes are controlled by air pressure.
The air pressure he is talking about is the "applied pressure" on the brake pedal. He is putting 15-20 pounds of pressure on the brake pedal. It has nothing to do with the pressure built up inside the air tanks.
@@johncalvo1743 Correct👍
I would have like to see the truck and trailer then we can see if you're lieing or if you're telling us the truth
This guy doesn't acknowledge his followers
That’s the worst part of driving in my opinion
You must be In Canada. You can't leagally run 102k in the United States.