Case 106: Peter Nielsen (Part 2)

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  • Опубликовано: 16 ноя 2024

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  • @melaniemaben4526
    @melaniemaben4526 7 месяцев назад +8

    What an utterly tragic sequence of events. I feel enormous sadness and empathy for Nielsen’s widow and children but also for Vitali.
    This should be a lesson to greedy corporations who think of nothing but litigation.
    I also wonder how the air traffic controller who went off for a nap feels? I’d sure have a hard time sleeping in their shoes. ❤

  • @donnatripp8413
    @donnatripp8413 Год назад +6

    What a tragic real story. The poor man couldnt control his grief and revenge. So so sad for all the families. I cried a river. RIP to all lost. Your complete coverage is the best out there. Thanks so much.

  • @renujolly9555
    @renujolly9555 3 года назад +7

    I almost Cried the whole time 😢 after the plane crashed
    It was surreal and felt like I was watching this movie with my eyes closed . You create an almost real atmosphere with the script and your voice
    I’ve listened to almost all the casefile episodes and am totally stressed out 😰
    Please add more!!!

  • @EllenLeah-pv2yw
    @EllenLeah-pv2yw 11 месяцев назад +8

    He ‘avenged’ the horrible destruction of his innocent family by cruelly destroying another innocent family, and for this he’s hailed as a hero? Warped.

  • @pb4ugo19
    @pb4ugo19 Год назад +10

    We'll never know what transpired within that encounter between the two men, but I have a hunch that Vitali wasn't acting rationally or mentally stable, which would understandably alarm Nielsen, especially with his wife and kids nearby. I also have a hard time believing his story that an apology would've made the difference.

    • @alia9087
      @alia9087 Год назад +3

      nobody tried

    • @lisas8244
      @lisas8244 9 месяцев назад +6

      @pb4ugo19 Great comment! Vitaly carried a knife and was looking for any excuse to execute Nielson. Vitaly's grief was no greater than any of the families who lost loved ones in that avoidable tragedy. Yet no other person became bitter and bent on revenge. True heroes make sure something good comes from tragedy. Two wrongs don't make a right. And I don't think his dead wife and children would be proud of a man who took a beloved father and husband from his wife and children the way his children and wife were taken from him. Vitaly himself said killing Neilson didn't make him feel any better. It was primitive revenge, not justice. And the hell of it is, Neilson had done the best he could under circumstances beyond his control.

  • @marnajones6998
    @marnajones6998 3 года назад +10

    I have watched, already seen complete coverage of, or researched a few of the cases covered within the first 100 of your podcast. I am very realistic, not that I am not moved or concerned, saddened, or sympathetic regarding the many, many,, many cases I have seen or heard coverage of... I have the understanding that we live in a world of a very evil existance.... however, this coverage .... ... I cried.. the second that I listened to two cases from all of you amazing journalist/ researchers/compassionate people covering these podcasts .. this is the 2nd one I was emotional overwhelmed, but the understanding emotional distress of the father that lost his family, then bewildered by his lack of the understanding that his creating a loss to other people, actions that did not bring his family back, the fact he wasn't responsible for what happened, he s only remained selfish of his hurt, feeling he was the only one the victim, what a shame. I understand how he could have been emotionally unstable, however, he says he has no regrets for taking the life of an innocent man... how is that any better than the incompetence of the company who created the situation that caused the accident. .... just sad... sad for the family who lost Peter

  • @angrywarhawk7553
    @angrywarhawk7553 4 года назад +32

    Kills an innocent man, and gets praised and treated like a hero. Something is terribly wrong

    • @jasonvoorhees6152
      @jasonvoorhees6152 4 года назад +11

      blame the company for not handling this properly. Had they not dismissed him and took responsibility, peter would have been alive.

    • @PoetofHateSpeech
      @PoetofHateSpeech 10 месяцев назад

      Lol you're either female or a low testosterone male

  • @jennam9226
    @jennam9226 3 года назад +13

    The way vitali reacted went far beyond a grieving father. His 1st instinct was to find the one or one(s) whom he could blame and seek his revenge. On his behalf i can say thats a natural reaction and probably the first reaction of most in his situation. But we have to, at this point, take into consideration the fact the HE WAS THE ONLY ONE TO "HASTILY" ACT UPON HIS 'SELFISH' NEED FOR VINDICATION. While remaining as fair as possible, it's definitely not fair to say that this guy somehow earned some right or 'free pass' to succumb to his desires, regardless of his motive. Briefly, can we also consider the fact that as a human being, suffering, such a tragedy as vitali has... That him of all people should have been most UNDERSTANDING? To the point of NOT WANTING TO BE AN INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBLE FOR SUCH LOSS, AS HE QUICKLY POINTED ANOTHER (PETER) TO BE? I mean, this is an extremely difficult situation to access, without letting basic and natural human emotions to cloud judgement. EVERYONE is guilty of wanting to vent thier grief and tragedy against persons responsible. To the point where I feel, it takes MORE STRENGTH to not allow such emotions to hinder our ability to exercise proper conduct regarding morals and knowing right and wrong. To call someone a hero simply due to the fact that they gave into such selfish, immoral behavior is frankly ridiculous. Can i understand why he did what he did? Of course! So can everyone else. Which is why it takes a better person to realize those emotions are not an automatic authority to act so far out of pocket. I have not even brought up the fact that peter was found innocent... Only because it doesn't matter. It just proves the point even more that Vitali had motives that were purely selfish. I know if i had decided to throw away all my proper moral judgement, and concluded that the only way i could find any peace was to MURDER the culprit responsible... I WOULD HAVE AT LEAST BEEN PATIENT ENOUGH TO DO IT RIGHT AND MAKE THE ACTUAL PERSON( S) RESPONSIBLE ACCOUNTABLE. That would never make it ok... But it wouldn't be in vain either. This man, vitali chose to focus on nothing but HIS desire for revenge, which is pure selfishness, and he is far from a hero since he let his emotions and grandiose perceptions of his existence rise above the simple fact that we are all equal and if anything separates us from the fact we all make mistakes and we all suffer from such mistakes, we are divided by the ones who intentionally make people suffer and the ones who never would with premeditated motives. Vitali went there to kill peter without being aware he was for sure responsible. NOBODY KNEW... Hence the reason the investigation was still undergoing. He claims he wAtched peter for a few days and saw no remorse. Im sorry but i feel like laughing since remorse is not a physical attribute that can be detected from a far distance while someone is on thier property. For all he knew, peter was inside crying all day and his wife begged him to join her outside for a stroll around the yard and he finally agreed. This vitali guy was presumptuous, close minded, and blinded by his own selfish desires to the point where he was able TO JUSTIFY COMMITTING MURDER without even having the facts straight. Murder. Which is what he accused peter of. So can we all see why he was sent to jail before the airplane incident was resolved? Well yeah! Clearly there was a lengthy INVESTIGATION since all facts, companies, parties, testimonies, inquisitions, data records, EVIDENCE, and other information had to be considered to find some sort of "blame." From early on, it was clear that nobody out if the dozens involved had a motive and none of the actions carried out proved to be intentionally malicious. Im just saying that if we start calling someone a hero for being barbaric and juvenile, to the point of committing murder...ON PURPOSE. Then why dont we all just say the same thing about everyone else doing it? "Hey, you raped and murdered my daughter... You are sick! That is wrong! Normal people don't behave that way! You tied me up while you made me watch! I escaped... And now im going to.....?" Kill you? Rape and murder you? Turn you over to police? Identify you in court? Do whatever it takes to see you behind bars and justice served without my freedom being jeopardized since i am not a rapist or murderer? Im gonna stoop to your level and commit a wrongful act simply because it is ok for me, but not you?
    That's only .000001 % of options that people have everyday.
    EVERYONE IS CAPABLE. SOME ARE CULPABLE. FEW ARE RESPONSIBLE. FEWER ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. ALL ARE EFFECTED, IRRATIONALLY SELECTED, AND FORCEFULLY SUBJECTED TO SELFISH DEEDS OFTENTIMES DETECTED.

    • @jennam9226
      @jennam9226 3 года назад

      *UNDETECTED

    • @jeffdoolin4314
      @jeffdoolin4314 3 года назад +4

      Everyone has a different breaking point. Some can survive losing everything and everyone that matters to them and carry on to live a full and happy life, while some crumble and break over losing a job or breaking up with someone after a couple of weeks.
      Couple that with humanity's need to rationalize disasters and assign blame, often leading to trutherism and conspiracy theories...
      Finally, Vitali probably carried a fair amount of personal guilt, seeing his career choices as a contributing factor to his family's death. Like most people, he most likely projected that guilt on to Peter.
      While these factors don't excuse his actions, they can help explain them.
      I don't see Vitali as evil, just broken.

  • @thrillho4209
    @thrillho4209 3 года назад +20

    I don't blame Vitaly Koloyev for harbouring resentment towards Peter Nielsen - he lost his entire family - but he directly created another grieving family by murdering Nielsen. If only Skyguide had actually apologised to him, maybe it could have been avoided.

    • @ghanashyammvghanashyammv3961
      @ghanashyammvghanashyammv3961 Месяц назад

      Just becoz he lost his family doesn't justify killing of Peter Neilson becoz he didn't have any intent to cause the midair collision and he himself was admitted when he was devastated by what had happened. He was overly burdened with work, there was maintainance work going on which made his radar screen to work slowly, hence he had to manually track the planes , he couldn't communicate with others as the phone connections were also disconnected and he couldn't know the exact position and altitudes of the planes. It's not his fault at all and also he had experience of 8 years. So it's the skyguide management which is to be blamed and not solely on Peter nielson. Peter is just another victim just like those children and parents on the Russian flight.
      Vitaly is just a narrow minded murderer who didn't understand what Peter went through. Moreover he doesn't have any right to claim the life of Peter. I know he was devastated and badly affected and inconsolable when he lost his family, but that doesnt justify his killing of Peter. Other parents didn't wanted him to die as they wouldn't want more victims.

    • @CorinaGoea
      @CorinaGoea 16 дней назад

      The documentary says Peter Nielson had a mental breakdown when he heard he's being investigated for the murder of 72 people, Not when he heard that 72 people died on his watch. ​@@ghanashyammvghanashyammv3961

    • @user-di1sd4zv8y
      @user-di1sd4zv8y 10 часов назад +1

      @@ghanashyammvghanashyammv3961 Lynching is wrong. But Peter's guilt was proven during an internal investigation, and, nevertheless, he did not bear any responsibility and did not even apologize. There were 52 children on board, including Vitaly's children, and all of them died.

    • @ghanashyammvghanashyammv3961
      @ghanashyammvghanashyammv3961 10 часов назад

      @user-di1sd4zv8y well wht would u do in that situation where u r unjustly responsible for lives of 69 people ?? And also how do u know what exactlu happened in the internal investigation ?? Can I know where did u get that information ??
      Peter never knew that his air traffic room wouldn't warn him abt the 2 planes coming close to each other which it is usually supposed to do so and also he couldn't communicate with other professionals as all communication systems were cut off during maintainance. He wasn't in a position to talk abt it. He was taken to hospital as he was mentally traumatized after the 2 planes collided. Peter was never at fault, he didn't cause the accident purposely, he too felt bad, ashamed and traumatized of the events which happened without his knowledge and he too is just another victim. He had 8 years of experience and also working as Air traffic controller is one of the most stressful jobs and a worst thing that can happen to them is 2 planes colliding each other.
      I have told u abt all the problems he faced. Just learn to empathize with him.

    • @user-di1sd4zv8y
      @user-di1sd4zv8y 8 часов назад

      @ I read that he voluntarily allowed his partner to rest, although there should have been at least two dispatchers in the control room. He thought he could handle it. The main radar was under repair, but the second one was in good working order and showed the presence of two planes, Peter saw them, but informed the pilots too late.

  • @truthylucy7068
    @truthylucy7068 9 месяцев назад +4

    I can't possibly imagine what it's like to lose your spouse & children.
    Killing the air traffic controller is just one more loss of life in this horrible tragedy.
    For this man to be called a hero & held in high regard for his actions.
    It's condoning murder!

  • @CallMeCarter211
    @CallMeCarter211 3 месяца назад +1

    Ive listened to a mountain of true crime and tragic accident stories but this one... from beginning to end... is just pure awful. Not a thing went right here, and so many people paid, but not the right ones in the end.
    Damn.

  • @perfectdark287
    @perfectdark287 5 лет назад +25

    Vitaly is a nutjob. He has a good point with how unfortunate the situation is, but he murdered a court ordered innocent man.

    • @jasonvoorhees6152
      @jasonvoorhees6152 4 года назад +5

      blame the company for not handling this properly. Had they not dismissed him and took responsibility, peter would have been alive.

    • @perfectdark287
      @perfectdark287 4 года назад +1

      @@jasonvoorhees6152 true

    • @chadcuckproducer1037
      @chadcuckproducer1037 3 года назад +5

      All they had to do was explain what happened and to express empathy forwards him.

    • @jasonvoorhees6152
      @jasonvoorhees6152 3 года назад +4

      @@chadcuckproducer1037
      Yeah. skyguide fucked up big time by not taking responsibility and show compassion to him. They tried to make him go away by offering him money.
      there's a movie based on this called unforgiven. It's different from aftermath by arnold Schwarzenegger as it focuses on the real thing and not a fictional representation of the person. It's made in russia. There's a tralier on the film. Search it up.

    • @jasonvoorhees6152
      @jasonvoorhees6152 3 года назад +1

      @@chadcuckproducer1037
      Here's the link to the tralier.
      ruclips.net/video/C1sP471Kx_8/видео.html

  • @wiebkescantick947
    @wiebkescantick947 4 месяца назад

    This is so sad. Everything that could have gone wrong did. Peter did the best he could given the situation. I sincerely hope that something was learned from and caused a change in the companies process of similar situations. Had there been better procedures enforced, this collision could have been completely avoided.

  • @tommcdonald1000
    @tommcdonald1000 5 лет назад +7

    surely a casefile on fred and rose west. A fine pair of sickos worthy of a casefile episode. cheers

  • @ausplus
    @ausplus 4 года назад +1

    The ad for Movement did crack me up..."There's one question I will always answer...". I love the ads as much as the Casefile episodes!

  • @casperblackcat1975
    @casperblackcat1975 Год назад +3

    Lets face It this is so sad for everyone involved so many families lives have been changed forever.

  • @user-di1sd4zv8y
    @user-di1sd4zv8y 8 минут назад +1

    Peter was responsible for what happened. He saw 2 planes on the radar and had the opportunity to contact them during the flight. But not only did he give instructions to Flight 2937 almost at the last moment, he also informed the pilots about the wrong location of the DHL plane, which was his biggest mistake. For 2 years, while the trial was going on, Peter continued to live with his family and work at the same place. Lynching is wrong. But it is also not enough to justify the fact that the main radar was under repair and did not work, do not forget that the second radar was still in good working order. Imagine that your entire family was on board the plane, including your 6-year-old daughter. Whose body you personally find at the crash site, and you are offered 150,000 euros for her life in exchange for a waiver of legal claims. Vitaly came to the company and asked to meet Nilsson, two years before his murder, Peter was in the same building, but did not even talk to him. I don't think that if he had spoken then he would have been killed, it would have been possible not even to sincerely express condolences, which he was obliged to do. Peter's children are not involved, but to speak of them is disrespectful to the 52 children who died, including Diana Kaloeva who was 6 years old and her body was found by her father at the crash site. She will never turn 7, and Peter's children are alive.

  • @beckyblueish
    @beckyblueish Год назад +7

    The fact that Vitali was celebrated and honored and awarded as a valiant hero and great patriot throughout his life by the Russian people and their government is sickening.

  • @peterlightning9235
    @peterlightning9235 4 года назад +9

    That is one hell of a story. I think the asshole CEO is really the one to blame.

    • @danmac73
      @danmac73 Год назад +4

      If he had just apologized to the victims families as he should have Peter may still be alive.

  • @jerrymarshall2095
    @jerrymarshall2095 3 года назад +4

    Horrible event,one that nothing good comes from.

  • @kskssxoxskskss2189
    @kskssxoxskskss2189 7 месяцев назад

    Never knew there was a Swiss stiff upper lip. They blew it.

  • @leajones8484
    @leajones8484 2 года назад

    8/2022 Thank you, thank you! I love your work! What a terrible tradagey story that you've told so well once again with so much research and information. Thank you Casefiles. I think your voice in this one is just like all the others I've listened to👍 I like your voice and story telling.

    • @leajones8484
      @leajones8484 2 года назад

      Ok listening to another....I do get the voice thing...lucky for you, you have a beautiful voice no matter what!

  • @cdrwin
    @cdrwin Месяц назад

    I don't get it? Why did he kill him in revenge for his family then deny it 👽

  • @RED-cy7ig
    @RED-cy7ig 23 дня назад +1

    This "Vitaly" character is a real psychopath. He has a self centered view of himself. No one won in this. Peter Nielsen is gone because of a mad man's psychopathy.

  • @AlbaFire
    @AlbaFire 8 месяцев назад +3

    The absolute arrogance of this guy!! Of course Skyguide handled it all completely wrong and didn’t help matters but this pos seems to think he was the only one who lost his entire family or the only one who mattered!Peter’s kids had to grow up without their father while years later Vitaly was saying he didn’t want pity yet he still had the “poor me/pity me” attitude to life! Guy is an ass. R.I.P to all those souls and thoughts are with the families who had to keep going every day knowing murder was illegal & revenge was pointless ❤

  • @OOoKarmaoOO
    @OOoKarmaoOO 5 лет назад +5

    The reporter was so insensitive

  • @claudiapaz3718
    @claudiapaz3718 5 лет назад +6

    Reporters are the worst

  • @OOoKarmaoOO
    @OOoKarmaoOO 5 лет назад +3

    I don't agree w the crime but I understand after causing the death of so many people this man just had to apologise.He found a new job and was able to go home to his family as if nothing happened while so many lives were broken.

    • @nada55666
      @nada55666 4 года назад +17

      He was probably troubled and grief-stricken as well. It was stated that Peter Nielsen was NOT responsible for the tragedy. The company created a disastrous system of errors that caused the accident. Is the Russian pilot at fault for choosing to listen to the air traffic controller instead of the TCAS? This is why we have a justice system instead of an eye for an eye

    • @beckyblueish
      @beckyblueish Год назад +4

      Think there’s a solid chance that Nielsen did apologize. I have no reason to believe Vitali’s account of what was and wasn’t said that day. (sorry for the weird, years-late reply, but I just listened and am a little worked up)