The incomparable Maggie Newman, my favorite Chinese fencer but one. (And you can't blame me for loving my own great teacher, Bow Sim Mark. Both were trailblazers.)
very nice, if u know sworfighting with real swords, u see how he plays with his Students, and this i have seen in all his forms, wich are focused on real combat swordfights with an illusionary Enemy most other Tai Chi Forms only use the Sword as Toy for looking nice..
Indeed. My taichi teacher was acknowledged to have exceeded even Cheng, and was much scarier still when we wanted to free fence. Initially, the master would just disarm us. Later, they would simply take our blade with theirs, fling us off of guard, show the definitive riposte, then set us back to two-person drills. (And they didn't even need a sword, any stick would do to control an opponent's blade, which is consistent with Musashi's teaching on the subject.)
el entrenamiento de la espada pegada o nanjian es algo que muv pocos conocen es buena la practica porque desarrolla los reflejos y la vision periferica
It's sure looks fun there having the time of there lives and probably a lot of laugher great and good for them he was a very good teacher from what I have seen on the DVD the professor. Margie Sanchez.
It's very much difficult to learn tai chi form sword and it's the student that's having the trouble with it and not the teacher if it's being done wrong probably it's the student just give it lots of time and practice and the student will be so much better at it the teacher knows what he's doing don't criticize the taichi teacher he is a Master have some respect for him you should .he knows what he's doing it's us students whom don't know what they are doing understand? That concept. If you don't want have you been doing all your life at school? Your not smarter than the teacher esp. When it's comes from China. They been practicing taichi form and the sword form and saber form and fan form and the weapons forms since childhood and not us we just getting our toe into the taichi form and the weapons. MZS
Is there eye protection in a real duel? (We train the old way, not to score hits in a sport, but for real historical fencing where a single mistake can be lethal, even if no one actually sword fights anymore:)
@@itinerantpoet1341 I agree my G.M. trains us with real weapons that are sharp however we never do gun play because nobody is from Krpton at our school :)
I don't want to sound critical of a martial arts master because this guy looks like he knows what he's doing but...does he get the concept of a central line in fencing? I mean I thought swordplay was supposed to be linear..this looks like a cross between the "Spanish Circle" system and tennis.
He is keeping to a center line. The circles are caused by his opponents excessive and misguided force. He is redirecting them off the center line while maintaining his focus on their center.
This is mostly "sticky" training to teach the student how to counter. Lightning speed linear thrusts are also a part of the art, but it's not worth thrusting unless you've countered (proper parry) to gain advantage definitively and thus riposte with no possibility of a reply. (That's what my teacher would do--invite a thrust, counter definitively, and end it in one, every time.) Of the 13 basic techniques listed in Major Methods of Wudang Sword, 9 of them are wrist cuts (some also applicable for slicing the ankle or knee) to end combat, and the stab explicitly includes the wrist and forearm as a target.
Based on this video of one of Li's students, I'd have to agree: ruclips.net/video/qnPQ_nY192w/видео.html (But, my understanding is that there was one master in the generation after Cheng that exceeded them all: "that girl" as she was often referred to by the older masters who had to acknowledge it:)
@@itinerantpoet1341 That's actually Li Jinfei! Apparently when TT Liang first met him, he was disarmed multiple times effortlessly by Li and this was when Liang was older and already quite accomplished with the sword. I'd never heard this before about the female master but sounds like she was quite something!
@@Velasca Amazing. Among the best I've seen! (And yeah, initially, my teachers response to request to free fence was disarming, until we knew how to properly hold a sword;) To Cheng's great credit, although he started a little late, he kept improving to the day he died. This tai chi sword video makes him look like a beginner in the tai chi sword form video from around the time this fencing footage was shot! ruclips.net/video/Q8YzALcGMuQ/видео.html If people want to emulate Master Cheng, that's the video they should follow :)
@@Velasca And thanks for that clarification. Do you know who taight Li? (My teacher was good friends with TT & CC, but I don't know as much about their lineage.) I suspect it's lost on most that, even as Li control's his tassel impeccably, only the minimum of momentum required for the movement is going into those strings. High. Level.
very nice, if u know sworfighting with real swords, u see how he plays with his Students, and this i have seen in all his forms, wich are focused on real combat swordfights with an illusionary Enemy most other Tai Chi Forms only use the Sword as Toy for looking nice..
He is actually helping his student by guilding their sword , but I guess not many people realize that. The moves seem random but actually forces his student to defend on the area he is guilding.
The incomparable Maggie Newman, my favorite Chinese fencer but one. (And you can't blame me for loving my own great teacher, Bow Sim Mark. Both were trailblazers.)
I was just told that this is not Maggie Newman. Could be a woman named Pat.
This may be a beginner's class, but beginners can't fence like Maggie Newman. 🗡💛 😃
That’s not Maggie.
@@mnpli Yes I see Maggie around 1:56 with another student practicing
Wow Mario this is a fantastic video :-)! Thank you for loading!
very nice, if u know sworfighting with real swords, u see how he plays with his Students, and this i have seen in all his forms, wich are focused on real combat swordfights with an illusionary Enemy most other Tai Chi Forms only use the Sword as Toy for looking nice..
Indeed. My taichi teacher was acknowledged to have exceeded even Cheng, and was much scarier still when we wanted to free fence. Initially, the master would just disarm us. Later, they would simply take our blade with theirs, fling us off of guard, show the definitive riposte, then set us back to two-person drills. (And they didn't even need a sword, any stick would do to control an opponent's blade, which is consistent with Musashi's teaching on the subject.)
This is pretty good stuff.he really knows how to use the jian
This a training method (a great one indeed) not sword combat as they play focusing on the sword and not at the opponent's body!
el entrenamiento de la espada pegada o nanjian es algo que muv pocos conocen es buena la practica porque desarrolla los reflejos y la vision periferica
It's sure looks fun there having the time of there lives and probably a lot of laugher great and good for them he was a very good teacher from what I have seen on the DVD the professor. Margie Sanchez.
2:05 Quit hitting yourself, quit hitting yourself
I've heard he played with his students very much.
That smile tho
@vashcat i meant that he is doing cycles by weapon, combining it with a footwork
Duncan McCloud--Eat your heart out!!!!
Molto bello
He was the real deal.
It's very much difficult to learn tai chi form sword and it's the student that's having the trouble with it and not the teacher if it's being done wrong probably it's the student just give it lots of time and practice and the student will be so much better at it the teacher knows what he's doing don't criticize the taichi teacher he is a Master have some respect for him you should .he knows what he's doing it's us students whom don't know what they are doing understand? That concept. If you don't want have you been doing all your life at school? Your not smarter than the teacher esp. When it's comes from China. They been practicing taichi form and the sword form and saber form and fan form and the weapons forms since childhood and not us we just getting our toe into the taichi form and the weapons. MZS
linear arts are boring arts - this is all ways system. its more difficult...
Wudang and taiji sword can also be lethally linear-believe that.
looks a bit like a form of haitian machete training
No eye protection?????
Is there eye protection in a real duel?
(We train the old way, not to score hits in a sport, but for real historical fencing where a single mistake can be lethal, even if no one actually sword fights anymore:)
yeh it's a problem
@@itinerantpoet1341 I agree my G.M. trains us with real weapons that are sharp however we never do gun play because nobody is from Krpton at our school :)
Looks like my nephews in the front yard with sticks! 😆
Yeah man, children have that natural softness that we lose without tai chi lol
Sure, if they trained 36,000 hours under a true master and devoted their life to it!
I don't want to sound critical of a martial arts master because this guy looks like he knows what he's doing but...does he get the concept of a central line in fencing? I mean I thought swordplay was supposed to be linear..this looks like a cross between the "Spanish Circle" system and tennis.
He is keeping to a center line. The circles are caused by his opponents excessive and misguided force. He is redirecting them off the center line while maintaining his focus on their center.
Lan Night I would have to disagree, being that I find myself in the same boat, my outcome is more detailed.
@@lannight5146 agree with you
This is mostly "sticky" training to teach the student how to counter. Lightning speed linear thrusts are also a part of the art, but it's not worth thrusting unless you've countered (proper parry) to gain advantage definitively and thus riposte with no possibility of a reply.
(That's what my teacher would do--invite a thrust, counter definitively, and end it in one, every time.)
Of the 13 basic techniques listed in Major Methods of Wudang Sword, 9 of them are wrist cuts (some also applicable for slicing the ankle or knee) to end combat, and the stab explicitly includes the wrist and forearm as a target.
When someone is more skillful , he could counter his opponent before the sword could even finish the first move. For that , nothing really matters.
The rubbish Westernised version at the local town hall never include this kind of training
Li Jin Fei was better, but still nice to see.
Who?
Based on this video of one of Li's students, I'd have to agree: ruclips.net/video/qnPQ_nY192w/видео.html
(But, my understanding is that there was one master in the generation after Cheng that exceeded them all: "that girl" as she was often referred to by the older masters who had to acknowledge it:)
@@itinerantpoet1341 That's actually Li Jinfei! Apparently when TT Liang first met him, he was disarmed multiple times effortlessly by Li and this was when Liang was older and already quite accomplished with the sword.
I'd never heard this before about the female master but sounds like she was quite something!
@@Velasca Amazing. Among the best I've seen!
(And yeah, initially, my teachers response to request to free fence was disarming, until we knew how to properly hold a sword;)
To Cheng's great credit, although he started a little late, he kept improving to the day he died.
This tai chi sword video makes him look like a beginner in the tai chi sword form video from around the time this fencing footage was shot!
ruclips.net/video/Q8YzALcGMuQ/видео.html
If people want to emulate Master Cheng, that's the video they should follow :)
@@Velasca And thanks for that clarification. Do you know who taight Li? (My teacher was good friends with TT & CC, but I don't know as much about their lineage.)
I suspect it's lost on most that, even as Li control's his tassel impeccably, only the minimum of momentum required for the movement is going into those strings. High. Level.
Very pretty. But they are not trying to hurt each other. Athletic and beautiful. Not useful in a meaningful way in a fight.
Who is the woman
very nice, if u know sworfighting with real swords, u see how he plays with his Students, and this i have seen in all his forms, wich are focused on real combat swordfights with an illusionary Enemy most other Tai Chi Forms only use the Sword as Toy for looking nice..
He is actually helping his student by guilding their sword , but I guess not many people realize that. The moves seem random but actually forces his student to defend on the area he is guilding.