The Seven Mountains Dominionism | Rediscover Bethel
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Bethel Senior Leader Bill Johnson and Bethel Associate Pastor and Dean of BSSM Dann Farrelly discuss the idea of seven mountains dominionism. This is from the final episode of the series. Watch the full episode and series here: bit.ly/3rP6sMG
Please Note: Unlike the previous episodes, this episode has a single camera view.
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It speaks to the idea that the church is here to bless the world when our mission is to call people out of the world to Christ. It also presupposes that the church is here to bring or establish the kingdom on earth prior to the King's return. It is postmillenial in its eschatology almost as if Christ doesn't really need to return at all. It is very subtle but it appeals to the religious lust of the flesh.
The only part in the Lord’s Prayer where we don’t pray for something concerning ourselves, but pray for what the father has on his heart and intends to do is the part “thy kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven”…
@@reyburchill1423that will look like the sermon on the mount being universally worked out in peoples lives revealing Christ in truth
If you got that out of what was just said, methinks you didn't listen to a word of it and went right to posting a comment
Does anyone hear Satan's temptation of Christ to rule the world?
And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Luke 4:5-8 KJV
But the angel said to me,
“Why did you marvel?
I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns."
“Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits."
Revelation 17:7, 9
Then he said to me,
“The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues."
Revelation 17:15
He managed to bring it back to rulership... Guy on left is not as comfortable with the direction taken by the guy on the right. 7M is not something to attach your faith or your belief to.
I feel this, except I don’t see it anywhere in the Bible. So it’s just conjecture at this point. Moving on
You can’t see the forest for the trees.
@Puddles Meister evidence of this or you just another Pharisee spouting nonsense
@@jasonballard9740 there's a picture of Beni laying on a grave. While I think it's weird and unnecessary people have to realize that Bill is not endorsing "grave sucking" etc. As I understand it Bill believes one can receive an anointing that another had who lived before by being in a geographical location of significance where that person was. Bill has said he doesn't believe in speaking to dead spirits but defends his belief that by going to these places of significance perhaps one can pickup on or get in tune with an anointing, not the spirit of the dead individual. I am not criticizing Bill who I respect and appreciate a ton just putting out there what I've learned on this so-called "grave sucking" matter.
@Puddles Meister - they've explicitly referenced and explained this in a separate video in this series. Why continue to propagate distortions when they have already set the record straight? If you haven't watched the video, please go watch it and then stop spreading this kind of distortion.
thank you for your heart and explanation on this.
Glad it was helpful!
I never heard of the 7 mountain preaching was by lance walnau and he was very clear about what our "ministr" represented and how to carry it out.❤
We stand on the Holy mountain which rules and reigns over all earthly worldly mountains.
I have been praying for wisdom lately and I luv listening to these two. There are alot of smart ppl today but wisdom is more valuable than gold that is in Proverbs. It is worth more because it can't be purchased with Silver or gold - PROVERBS 16:16
Praying for wisdom, like praying for anything at all, won't get you there. Wisdom comes from thinking rationally and at length about your knowledge and experiences. And the more knowledge you have, the more reference points you have to make sense of everything. Reading one book gets you one point of view. Reading many books helps you fill in the blanks, helps create a more nuanced perspective, like looking at a full-scale 3-D human head from all angles rather than a black silhouette on white.
If Dominionism was in the mind of God, how come it does not appear in the address to the 7 churches in Revelation? But it totally agrees with what Jehova's Witnesses preach regarding the last days, I can see the same spirit of seduction pretending to be for our benefit!
Good eats and good talks.
7MT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD JESUS WORD
Yeah, bc it’s just an strategy to evangelize
Your kingdom come ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN. This makes religious people angry
Leaven? No we are not called to be leaven sorry ❤🔥
I appreciate your wisdom and it drives me nuts to hear people misconstrue what you believe!
Crazy how both Christians and Atheists are both offended in the comments. Maybe that’s a sign that these guys are on to something lol
Instead of a rapture, some teach that the seven “spheres” have to be “conquered” or perfected by believers before Christ will return and setup his kingdom. What is your take on this view?
I think Kris Vallotton holds to that view or something similar to it. But that’s Kris, not necessarily Bethel’s official position.
Where do you hear this garbage? He had never said that.
@@jasonballard9740 Are you replying to me or another comment (which is now deleted) about grave soaking? If it’s me, then the view that the earth will be completely Christianised before Jesus returns is the classic postmillennial view which takes a preterist interpretation of Scriptures. I know Kris’s eschatology is very much preterist, from his “victorious eschatology” sermon. It’s pretty clear that he adopts that view. That said, he never explicitly said about the spheres being conquered, so I was careful to say “I think”, because i can’t be 100% sure.
These mountains are not business, entertainment, and all of the other extra biblical concepts because in the Bible, mountains symbolize world powers or empires. The 7 mountains of Revelation symbolize 7 empires that dominated the world throughout history and this is exactly how Satan opposed God and harmed God’s people.
.... Therefore, this so-called Dominionism put forth by Bethel, YWAM, and all the rest is utterly spurious and is not even Christian, as there is no Scriptural basis for it at all.
Repudiate all false teaching... /Lonewolf Liberties
Exactly! Seriously, people. DISCERN!
Get a life darling..
Love the glory on this
It was Loren Cunningham YWAM and Bill Bright Campus Crusade .
yes, they butchered that part. It also weren't mountains in their view. Actually Loren opposes the use of 'Mountain' in this context. He prefers Spheres of Influence.
I have benefitted from both Bethel and other Ministers that teach this same "dominionism" that's being criticized here. I think you have simply taken each other out of context. The same way you are having to clarify things here might equally be good to get clarity from those teaching this before criticizing them.
That's a juicy rationalization for trying to back-pedal from the harm this movement has done. It's OK. God saw. Maybe there should be a sermon series on Ezekiel 34? The pastors and false prophets (you know..the ones who said God told them Trump would win and be President for a second term? Hint: When God doesn't back it up? It's a false prophecy!) that teach this Christian Voo-Doo should be in sackcloth and ashes., repenting. Instead, they attempt to to reframe it as something harmless and SPIRITUAL. I get it. Three's lots of "goodies" ($$$) at stake. And It's spiritual, alright. But the spirit isn't named HOLY...it's Jezebel. We don't need "badass violent gun toters for Jesus." And we don't need a "Cyrus type." We need the Jehus.
Great talk imho. Remember though, Jesus spoke harshly towards powerful religious people which were the Pharisees and the like. While brothers and sisters in Christ should be in harmony with other there are those which deserve criticism as shown by Jesus' example.
Service is fine Bill but what is the goal of this service a.k.a
" Seven Mountains " ?
Let me say it this way. Satan has his tentacles all over the earth. Meanwhile the earth belongs to our God and His Christ. So in a way you can say Satan is illegally occupying territories that isn't his to begin with and he is influencing the minds of men and women who originally belong to God to reduce them to his vile, base nature, which will ultimately separate them from a loving Father. And remember Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. He has done the most important and fundamental part by stripping the devil of his power and authority to harm us, and now the battle to restore all things to the Son has been passed down to us the church. Our job to take back everything the enemy stole from us in the fall, with Adam and Eve. How do we do that? By preaching the gospel of the kingdom, with power to every creature. We go into all the worlds, including every nook and cranny, every facet of life, whether it's business or politics or sports, whatever; we bring everything under the influence of the King and His kingdom. Because all things were made for Him and by Him. The devil never once created anything. Until the kingdoms of this world become the kingdom of our God and His Christ...
Huh?
Maybe we need to bring back some militant terms.
Why for?
But unbelievers hear what you say to the church Bill. Your book is called " Heaven Invades Earth" and is available everywhere. Give offense to neither Jews nor Greeks nor the church of God. The "invasion" typology revisits the crusades in a certain way. Also did anyone compare the mission and actions of the infant church in the book of Acts which functioned as an ambassadorship of the Kingdom of heaven rather than a service oriented administration of the world.
Jesus NEVER said, "Believe" or else." He was attractive because of the JOY he carried. The militant INVASION of these "spheres" of influence" on MAN's part, is all B.S. Jesus had no desire to be king of the Earth. He's seated in heavenly places. Trying to force everyone to believe as you do is the OPPOSITE of LIBERTY. And where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." You've got it BACKWARDS. Turn away from the promises and trappings of Earth. If there was any real power behind your "Gospel" we wouldn't need so many GUNS and so much violence. We would not only "tolerate" ( I mean...who wants to be merely TOLERATED, anyway?), We'd EMBRACE the other. We'd demonstrate patience and love.
I also don’t think people will want it. That’s what we say because we received him, but to think of god is presented well or the Holy Spirit is expressed correctly that people will want it is ignoring the mainstream rejection that Jesus faced. It kind of goes against Jesus healing the 10 guys and only one coming back to say thanks. That’s the ratio of success to failures. And it’s what I’ve noticed in the streets if I’m preaching all day long. One person gets baptized, 100 others walk right by, 10 get fully healed.
So when you preach do people get healed? Are people hearing God speak to their heart? Btw, this same criticism I apply to myself.
A lot of this depends on the spiritual environment you're in. The spiritual environment Jesus was in was very hostile. However, you can see multiple examples in Acts where the momentum was already starting to shift. The kingdom is like leaven, and as it spreads throughout a culture, those numbers start to change dramatically. When God sweeps in with true revival, those numbers get almost completely reversed.
@@dagman85 you are absolutely correct when you say that the environment matters. Let's take for example the time Jesus went to his hometown and couldn't (that means, he felt unusual restraint that wasn't from the Father) do great miracles because of their unbelief (even though that was what the Father was doing at the time. And we must remember that Jesus only did what he saw His Father do and say what He heard His Father say). The crazy thing in this is that Jesus had set the right mood for the miraculous to take effect seamlessly by His anointed spoken word straight from the Text, until someone else with their negative words, filled with unbelief an adverse environment of unbelief mixed with familiarity in their hearts, until the miraculous was reduced to a couple of sick people being healed.
Contrast that to when faith is present, Jesus doesn't have to do more than to "speak the word" and things take effect.
Now there are exceptions, especially when doubts involved the disciples, whom he was training on carrying this miraculous ministry when He finally leaves the earth.
So yeah, the environment and atmosphere is absolutely critical.
I guess in trying to agree with you, I have made a long post. Hopefully this buttresses your point.
And who's to say that one won't go and get the other 99?
@@dagman85 Revival isn't "whipping up enthusiasm with a lot of groovy music."
Dann "tells" much too much of the time...He asks open ended questions and then consistently interrupts. Love him but he's annoying.
@Puddles Meister My brother in Christ
Philippians 2:7
New Living Translation
Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form,
Be blessed 🙌
@Puddles Meister It has been disproved more than a half dozen times.
@Puddles Meister Again, you can sit around and toss stones at a good man with a ministry where tens of thousands have come to Christ and dedicated their lives to Him. You can seek to understand or you can tear at the fabric of Christ's Body. Your choice. Be careful
Giving up his Divine privileges and setting aside his divinity are two entirely different things!
@Puddles Meister - Bill has already addressed those quotes in a separate video in this series. Why not listen to what he has said about it and then stop spreading wrong conclusions about his intent with those quotes? He has clarified on many, many occasions that Jesus never stopped being fully God. The way that kenosis comes into play is that Jesus didn't do what He did in His capacity as God, but as a man anointed by the Holy Spirit and power, as we see in Acts 10:38.
Amen👏
Mankind is just fine. No need to enforce the 11th and 12th commandments from humanism, thou shalt be nice and thou shalt not be offensive...
Youth for christ bill cunningham?....
Youth with a mission loren cunningham
But i forgive you🤍