Robin Hood Flops - A Lesson In Condescension
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Robin Hood (2018) is one of those terrible films that 250 people did a good job on. If it wasn’t for Gotti, starring a unconvincing doppelganger of John Travolta, it would easily be the worst major release of the year. But Gotti cost
Robin Hood begins by telling us to forget what we know. Oh I’m sorry, I mean “forget what you know” I’m an English person.
Or an Irish person. The filmmakers certainly couldn’t tell the difference.
It’s loosely a Robin Hood story - a man, an archer, robs from the rich to give to the poor, and that’s about a similar to the tradition as it gets. Oh and it’s in the middle ages too, kind of.
It more or less disregards the source material - which could work. I’m not against stories being told in different ways, what’s baffling is that the people behind Robin Hood, have no love for history, and no belief in their own audience’s ability to watch a movie that isn’t about themselves.
Robin Hood is a lesson in why condescending to audiences is a bad idea - they don't like it.
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I was surprised they didn't call this movie just... "Hood", to be hip and edgy.
I know what you did there sire!
or "Hoodie"
Hood 2: Electric Boogaloo
They've turned Robin Hood into Hawkeye LOL.
With a title sound track sung by the lastest hip hop "star".
"We wanted to make Robin Hood into more of a superhero, more of a badass"
...We have that. HE'S CALLED GREEN ARROW!
@@stinkfinga4918 The Green Arrow is pretty specifically a populist/progressive hero who modeled himself after Robin Hood. It's a much stronger analogy than the two you've cited, and has made for some rather classic storytelling in his titular series.
@@radiofreeacab Worth remembering: he didn't become that progressive character until Denny O'Neill and Neal Adams got ahold of him in the 1960s. Before that, he was a straight Robin Hood knockoff with some Batman flourishes.
well duh... why do you think he has a black sidekick and a sassy female who can no doubt "look after herself but not really". It's only because of Arrows popularity on tv this film even got considered. 😆
We have that. HE'S CALLED ROBIN HOOD!
Piss poor idea. Hollywood needs to dissolve away from existence.
The best Robin hood movie had a cartoon fox.
No doubt, brother, no doubt!
Hell Yeah
Preach
Yes, by far the best!
And Prince John was the star of the show
“Make Robin Hood more of a bad ass character” is that chick for real? Literally the entire legend and story of Robin Hood is bad ass god damnit.
What she means is that they took Robin Hood, a character with his own unique qualities, and turned him into, basically, the same Schmollywood 'action hero' as in every other dumb big budget movie. Ridiculous overblown stunts and stupid explosions every five minutes to cover up how thin and lame the actual plot is - not that there's anything so much as a real plot, merely a series of plot devices leading up to an sfx set piece. And repeat.
I am a 12th Century crusader knight and I was very offended, thank you for considering our feelings.
Deus lo vult!
Did you just assume your century?
12th century crusaders are a vastly misunderstood minority
I'm a Caveman, and I am insulted by this video. My intelligence has dropped to zero now, FACK!!!
STFU
"we wanted to give robin hood fans..." WHAT ROBIN HOOD FANS!?
I really wonder if Hollywood execs ever go outside or talk to anyone doesn't kiss their ass... wait, I answered my own question...
Hi, we do exist
While there are people invested in Robin Hood that you could call "fans" the way she said it came off as such a stock fucking phrase to promote a movie.
Fans of the Mel Brooks version exist, not so sure about the rest. The Doctor Who episode was alright
@TheGameRage1 ok but do you go to all the games and buy all the tshirts? 🤔
Robin Hood meets Assassin's Creed meets Mission Impossible...
Then flops!
I am glad it flopped.
Violent wealth redistribution never looked so bourgeois.
Perhaps this would have worked better as a retelling of the life of Napoleon.
I've heard so many commie twats try to play that angle and I don't get it. Robin attacks corrupt noblemen who tax the shit out of the citizenry.
@@ahatt96 so your beef with "commie twats" is that you felt the rebellion of oppressed laboring classes under feudalism was alright, cause fuck God, the king, the nobles and all that shit. But the (actually exists in our time) working class, oh no, oh heavens no, that rabble should surely bring our capitalist utopia to ruin should they come to power. you certainly aren't trying to suggest that Robin Hood is some sort of conservative individualist hero. That'd be ridiculous to suggest.
@@Alejandro-te2nt the beef with commie twats is 100 million dead people.
@@frankmiller4550 and... you know... all the other people died of capitalism
Robin Hood: Men in Tights is still the best Robin Hood movie
Definitely!
I agree!
"Don't just do something! Stand there!"
WE'RE MEN
The Adventures of Robin Hood, starring Errol Flynn, is. But Men in Tights takes second place, sure ;D
A modern action style Robin Hood actually set in medieval times flopped? Nobody saw that coming.
that sucks. I didn't want to see archers playing call of duty in middle ages.
King Arthur: Legend Of The Sword, take a seat. This is the New Guy.
Wild Wild West has been dethroned as worst historical action film.
Dear god... I think you might actually be right. : o
Isn't it steampunk?
@@Fearofthemonster I think the movie just invented "Medieval Punk" genre that no one asked for...
@@pypy1986820 heh, so true
First of all robin hood is not historic its made up its a fable stupid
'forget everything you know.... we certainly did'
You have to know something first before you can forget it.
STAR FARCE WARS all over again.... Kylo at his worst
That phrase is usually a pretty good indicator that it's gonna be terrible.
Usually... I mean, it was used in a trailer for the 2004 American release of the Gen 3 Astro Boy series...
I saw 5 seconds of the commercial before I knew I would never ever watch it.
At first I thought it was some kind of Ninja - Karate Kid type movie from the commercial. Then it said Robin Hood and I just laughed.
DonnyBaker45 same
I saw the trailer and thought "who asked for this movie? Don't we have like a million like it already?"
I remember from a screenwriting book: “while you can’t prove modern ways and things did not exist in historical times, the audience knows they are from our time and it destroys believability”
To me, the best Robin Hood movie will always be Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves. Nothing against the classic Errol Flynn movie, the Disney animated movie or the Men in Tights flick; I just prefer the first one I saw as a kid which was the one starring Kevin Costner. It felt like a fantasy come to life, not some terrible rewrite of history. It was dark and gritty yet at the same time it was light-hearted and fun. It was also the highest grossing take on Robin Hood in theaters and no other before or after has reached the same level. Same goes for the 1981 movie Excalibur being the best Arthurian Legend-based movie to date.
MegaJetty1 absolutely right. Your description of dark and gritty but also light and fun was dead on. Well said. Rare a movie or show can accomplish that. 'Justified' comes to mind being able to accomplish the same effect
Thanks. I also think its best to both the theatrical cut and the extended cut as both tell the same story in different ways. The theatrical is like I said, a fantasy set in a real time period, whereas the extended is less fantasy and more realistic (minor spoiler) with the Witch's magic being just a hoax and going more into the Sheriff's background than Robin's. Owning both gives you both sides of the same coin and which ever one you prefer is your choice.
I like the theatrical for the fantasy elements and the extended for the Sheriff's background, hence I have both.
Absolutely spot on! 👍🏻
MegaJetty1 had no idea there was an extended cut. Add it to the xmas list
Spot on, except for excalibur, I mean its a perfect film if you go for the legend, but there is another path the film with clive owen went, the realistic view of the legends, arthur being a roman general which in my opinion is up there with excalibur. Just two different takes of a story that both work perfectly... something that cant be said for the new robin hood or that new king arthur movies...both are pc fuckfests and give a damn about the legend or actual history
"We're making/remaking it for a new generation" Leo DiCaprio is a producer and Bono's daughter is starring in it?
*cough* TAX DEDUCTION *cough*
The cinematography looks, like 95% of modern blockbusters, absolutely atrocious. That's 100$ million dollars well spent, Hollywood.
You can even tell where and when they used bluescreens. There seems to be no effort to hide it, construct practical effects, and the myriad of sins that count as modern filmmaking these days.
@@enzorocha2977 The biggest sin is that fucking teal and orange color grading. It ruins the vast, vast majority of modern films for me. And no one seems to notice or care. :(
@@GamePlayMetal Believe me, that kills the Transformers movies for me, everything else aside, because it's just way too bright for me, to the point where everyone's skin looks sickly orange, and even in nighttime scenes I feel like I need sunglasses.
And yes, I'm aware of looking so vibrant and telling you this.
@@GamePlayMetal yeah nobody but you seems to notice, not counting the countless other people that have pointed out the blue and orange thing and explained it in depth.
"Modern movies suck, boo hoo hoo, everything is remakes, nobody does new stuff"
"Hey did you see get out/don't breath/it follows/a quiet place/ green room/ or any other recent movie that wasn't made for kids or a remake of something else?"
"What? I have no idea what those movies are because they aren't based on anything, why would I take a chance on a movie I might not like?"
That pretty much sums up this attitude. Complain that food today is just horrible but refusing to eat anything but shit.
@Vilesentry Explaining it doesn't make it not shit and terrible looking.
It's funny that you ended your comment with that sentence, because you seem very comfortable with the taste of shit, apparently.
Go fuck yourself. :)
With the current trend in Hollywood, im shocked a woman wasn't casted as Robin Hood...
Don't jinx it lol.
povang Right??? 😑
bigot sexist cis male.
what u should write:
With the current trend in Hollywood, im shocked a transgender person wasn't casted as Robin Hood...
povang A lesbian feminist Robin Hood. Hmmmm...
@Big Scoot- Not really, google the origins of the name. Rob in old German meant fame and in had the meaning of small, aka fame small or small fame. Small fame in the hood(Sherwood Forest being his 'hood' in which he was famous). The name has a 50/50 male and female ratio, meaning its gender neutral.
lol, a Robin Hood movie came out? i had no idea
This is supposed to be set in the middle ages? I thought it was supposed to be a "Thief" like steampunk universe. Nothing from the trailer says it takes place in the real world, so I thought they just made a fantasy movie.
That would be pretty interesting, actually.
It's the same universe as Battlefield V
I have to agree, haven't seen the movie, but after watching GRS I couldn't help thinking that maybe they should have contracted with Wizards of the Coast and just made the best Dungeons & Dragons movie to date.
it is, and it isn't. they should have lent further into that, but its set in the modern world, the medieval period and kind of ancient Rome or other developed empires, all at the same time. Its like fantasy, but not quite.
See, stuff like this is why Steampunk has become the kiss of death in movies. People steampunking things that aren't steampunk.
Forget what you know... Robin Hood is identical to Batman.
So, basically Green Arrow.
@@TheMasterDeusGreen Arrow had a lot of Phantom in him too.
Forget what you know... No, not just about the Robin Hood myth, you will need to forget more than that to like this movie.
No thats still not enough.
Keep going,,keep going,
Everything except language should do it,,,
Max O'Byrne green arrow you mean
@@handsomebrick So did Batman
Honestly, I just hated the costumes. Not even remotely period appropriate. Dead give away that the story would be nonsense. If the writers wanted to make an original work they shouldn't have used the name of a historical/mythical figure.
Should also be dead give away that it wasn't set in a particular period. The movie was trying to disconnect from the period to spread some universal moral. There was literally a disclaimer at the start of the movie to get past this so they could include some industrial revolution era labor abuses wrapped into the original overtaxing.
Dude we all know that medieval sheriffs wore sports blazers. XD
I've just watched the film on streaming, I just had to see whether I was alone in hating it. At the beginning I thought I was going to count historical inaccuracies but it would be easier to count historical accuracies... 1: there was a place called Nottingham. That's it.
Four words; get woke go broke
Exactly, we all know why it failed.
@Caffeinated Critic well, I haven't seen this movie and it does look like it is a formulaic action movie that won't be much good, but this guy's critic sounds awfully whiny that women and black people were allowed to exist outside of subservient roles because "history." Like dude, there are a lot of anachronistic things in this movie and these are the anachronistic things you care about.
Huh?
Caffeinated Critic well the Middle Ages with modern era social justice simply just doesn’t work.
For the morons misinterpreting this either on purpose or not, the black guy as part of the main cast had NOTHING to do with the movie's flop (hell, he was the voice of reason in a film desperately needing it to retain tone). The real problem with the film is that it paraded around an obnoxious amount of social justice...in a time period where those values were nonexistent.
What's actually even more ironic is that Lady Marian, Robin Hood's wife, was actually a badass in the original tales and the prime example of an actually good and strong female character...but she was also a very kind and humble person (traits that seem to oddly rare in movies these days despite being very good traits).
Steals from the intelligent and gives to the dumb!
Tried to steal from intelligent but fails like king Arthur what garbage.
Steal from the past and adjust it slightly to hide a lack of originality then spice it up with some politically correctness and then indoctrinate the future more like it...
@@LovingTinha Lol! Nicely said.😉
He stole from the government to give back the taxes the government robbed the poor of. Back then government was inbred royalty, so far from intelligent.
Modern pop culture in a nutshell.
"Try to make him a Superhero"
Robin Hood isn't suppose to be a "Superhero", he's just a man with a bow and arrow who steals from the rich and gives to the poor.
Well, he's a vigilante with incredible cunning and skill that aids the less fortunate. He already is a superhero.
@ Arempy 58
People have become too stupid to reckognize heroism, if the hero is not flying around and bulletproof at the same time.
THANKS HOLLYWOOD for turning 99% of the population into morons.
@Neal Sterling No, it’s 95% of Hollywood that are morons
Lik Hawkeye but better
The Adventures of Robin Hood (1938) Is 100x better then this shit.
So it's basically a SJW shit show with unrealistic Mission Impossible style action moves.
So THIS is how Hawkeye avoided Thanos all that time...
Ha ha
@MrG0TH1ER definitely some SJW inspired bullshit wafting off of this turd which is clearly evident by the color of John's skin.
@MaybeNextTime nationalist movements are popping up everywhere over Europe so it would make sense that these movies are popular, but film makers have managed to even fuck that up by including toxic leftist propaganda which is what today's youth counter culture is rebelling against.
Sort of.
Set this 100 years in a dystopian future and they may have had a film. If you don't like the past or don't want to be bothered with understanding it, set your movie in the future. Those who like history will be grateful.
Now we know where Hawkeye went during Avengers Infinity War....
I would've watched that
dugclrk meh the casting was horrible which is common these days
I have a Master's Degree in History and I don't care that they had black people and women outside of only deeply subservient roles. I'm sure there are 100's of things in this movie that are anachronistic, but this is what you care about? Plus, its a Hollywood movie. Have you EVER seen one that is 100% historically accurate? Probably not. I haven't and I would be a better person to judge that than you.
@NPC1488 LOL...Well, I have a master's degree in language and literature and I do not really appreciate many revisionist portrayals of historical or literary characters just to please the present PC warriors. Of course, a film cannot be that historically accurate or else it will be a documentary, but context of the period is necessary. Since I am also a GenXer, I noticed that there is a vast difference between how the liberal arts were taught during my time and how they are being taught to today's generation of college students (with more women outnumbering men). Today, history and literature are often taken out of context and interpreted through the lenses of SJW professors, so depictions of historical figures, literary characters, historical and literary settings, and themes need to align with the PC viewpoint or you are a bigot. This slant has become the new normal as previous interpretations of history and literature are banned or censored. I won't be surprised to see more movies depicting well-known historical and literary characters as black or female or even trans and defend it as a "re-imagining" of these characters. As a film buff, I can only roll my eyes in exasperation.
And all the blacks that lived in medieval Europe...
Isn't that character supposed to be a saracen?
"fOrGeT wHaT yOu KnOw"
Yeah, moor doesn't change the fact that he'd likely be murdered immediately for being a godless heathen.
@@joeldykman7591 Black =/= Moors... LOL
@RCP Pilot u wot m8
Guy Richies flop King Arthur should have made the makers of this film realise people are sick of this format, on the opposite side TV dramas like Vikings and The Last Kingdom prove there is demand for historical films when there done right.
nothing historically accurate about TV Vikings. It's fun, though.
@unitedkingdom offiveeyes don't know about shield maidens--- that's usually a mythological reference to valkyries. There are historical analogues for women warriors---- female berserks are mentioned in the Icelandic sagas. Also, Saxo Grammaticus references female warriors in his histories but he was recalling an era that was already ancient to him. These are exceptions. Certainly the rare real deal was nothing like Red Sonja T&A or the TV Viking hotties.
Shield maiden wasn't even close to the worst from the Vikings. You have a problem with machinegun cross bow in this movie? What do you think the rapid fire shield shattering crossbows the Carolingian Franks used in the Vikings was: they fire like semi-auto rifle and bolts impact and shatters material like bullets...
*they're
If Robin Hood was hard for kids, would the Disney Robin Hood still be one of the most popular animated features they ever made?
When they called in the airstrike... or uhm, "the rocks," I just started laughing. The bow was the M-16, and like you mentioned, there were fully automatic crossbows... they would have done better to set it in the modern era if they were going to insult the viewer like this, turning it into a modern warfare video game.
If they set it in the modern era it'd JUST be green arrow and WB's would have sued them. Instead it's medieval and Jame Fox is in it. What could go wrong with that?
Airstrike? You mean like the Ewok in the hand-glider from Return of the Jedi?
i swear every 5 years they make a robin hood movie and nobody goes and sees it.
This movie came out?
😂
Robin Hood was always a Lord: Ser Robert Loxley or Robert, Earl of Huntingdon. His story was as much a story of Anglo-Saxon resistance against the Normans as anything else.
Actually there's 2 versions of the myth, one in which he was a Lord and one in which he was a peasant.
Well, in the oldest ballad we have, he was a yeoman, a ”free man”, as in ”not a serf”. But he later became an earl and a lord in later ballads.
As for the story being about anglo-saxon resistance against the Normans... that is actually newer than many people think and wasn’t introduced in the Robin Hood stories until Sir Walter Scotts Ivanahoe.
And even that is a bit of historical revisionism, since the saxon-norman feud had peaked and faded out yeata before King Richard the Lionheart ever took the throne.
(Also, also... the King that was more likely temporary with Robin Hood, if we go by the oldest sources, was king Edward II.)
Thats probably the only black guy in time period britain and somehow he still found his occupation in robbery 🤔
OMGoodness gracious...I just spit my coffee out...you owe me for a new shirt dude...Hilarious!!!!!
hahaha
I respect you for not letting the sjws tell you who you can and can't make fun of. Proud white people unite!
*Robin da hood*, like it should be.
Also being the leader of a bunch of outlaws would require him the be able blend in and avoid detection or being recognised. Think if Big Bird from Sesame Street mugged someone, how long would it take the police to find the right 7' yellow bird?
I work at a theater, and everytime someone buys for Robin Hood, I can't help chuckle due to schaudenfreude
Schadenfreude, love.
I'm hitting like just because you used the word "schadenfreude".
@Akira Kurosawa Well, I didn't know how to spell it, so I used my voice recognition. It spelled the word as "schadenfreude".
If it's good enough for Google, it's good enough for me. 😜😂
Akira Kurosawa schadenfreude is right
@@para_momal German here, yes Schadenfreude is the correct spelling.
I thought it flopped because it just looked like crud
my boss' kid was telling me about this movie....lmfao he sucks at knowing good movies
Saw it coming. No one wanted to see king Arthur why would Robin hood work?
Charlezard GG agreed. not sure a younger generation cares about ancient (!) history currently. certainly not in the numbers to sustain a big budget movie.
If King Arthur was good, people would want to see it. People like seeing icons done well on screen. Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves was a box office hit, for example.
Charlezard GG ...there was also Assasins Creed that had the same type of look and feel as this movie. It was a disaster to watch. Everythings is now marvel movies or bust!
George Daugherty agreed but that was almost 30 years ago. I was thinking about today's youth although I am certainly no expert
If it was in a more traditional style, or even an updated version of what Sword in the Stone tried to do (which would make the multi film series idea more plausible if it meant you would age up the characters) could see a new King Arthur finding an audience.
Instead we got... A London gangster fantasy... I mean, that sounds cool, but at that point, give it a different name.
'We wanted to make Robin Hood more of a superhero, more of a badass.'
Just a subjective opinion of an old curmudgeon, but Errol Flynn's Robin Hood is more of a badass than a single character in The Avengers. He's also tons of fun to watch.
Haven't seen this film, but judging from this vid, I don't think I'll bother..
Its awful, but I found it fascinating. Its very left wing and subversive in its message. A bunch of capitalists signed of on a story about how the elites are evil all over the world.
It has a plot that makes no sense, a common criticism of movies but here it nags at you. The Cardinal and the Sheriff are sending money to the Arabs that meant for the crusades, which will somehow remove the king. No one knows how.
Step 1 Gather lots of taxes,
Step 2 Give it all to the enemy
Step 3 ???
Step 4 Profit!
"Errol's Flynn's Robin Hood is more of a badass than a single character in The Avengers."
Definitely disagree, especially with the likes of Captain America, Black Widow & Hawkeye on the team (not to mention the heavy hitters Thor, Iron Man & the Hulk), but I did like the part of "a subjective opinion of an old curmudgeon". There are people who prefer Adam West to Christian Bale &/or Ben Affleck. To each his own, though.
@@Batman88878 I don't have a problem with disagreeing on this.
I actually do like the Avengers-films fine (except Age of Ultron, which just felt like two hours of mindless clunking to me) but Errol Flynn is a fucking boss with his bow & bravado.
Robert Downey Jr's Iron Man would be the only one who could even hope to challenge that (if over-exposure hadn't kinda watered him down already. Less is more, says I.)
ps. Michael Keaton is the greatest Batman! The Dark Knight is undoubtedly the much better film in pretty much every aspect - except the look of Gotham. Bale is also much more convincing as Bruce Wayne, but purely seeing the caped crusader do his thing, I think the 1989 film is yet to be topped.
Affleck's Batman looks pretty cool to me with the Frank Miller look and all, but suffers from the teensy problem that Batman v Superman is one of the worst films I've seen in my life. Manos levels of tedium.
@Adrijana Radosevic, I guess it's because I've seen the best of the best superhero movies & I'm a comic book fan, but I can relate to the choices these characters make & their personalities. BTW, they can be hurt. Even the most powerful of them. They struggle against seemingly insurmountable obstacles too, both from disasters & those who cause them. It's all there in the material.
Well Jamie Foxx was in it for one. Jamie Foxx is just awful.
having been to the Nottingham forest visitor centre I can report that serious British historians/academics do stress that there is only one line or so in written text concerning Robin the real person, the rest is folk lore/pre mass media story telling.
Britain has regional heros with Arthur in the west, Beowulf in the east & Robin towards the north it's probably a similar phenomenon in other countries.
Who knows maybe telling the tales of these heros in old market places & inns got you some coins/a beer, & the more you embellished the more you got so no real change except the scale of it eh?.
William of Cassingham
Anyone using the word "badass" to describe a character should be instantly disqualified from producing film.
Unless the point is someone trying to be badass but failing horribly and have him be the comic relief.
AGREED---She's an incompetent fool .
Okay, so if you're making a Doom movie, how do you go about describing Doom guy/Doomslayer, a character that was made to personify badassery?
As a historian, I find placing a black man in England 1000 years ago a non starter. Not only was he in the wrong place at the wrong time, but he apparently, according to whoever made this mess of a film, exercises a modicum of power over the native inhabitants. This is ridiculous!
Hollywood used to shove whites into non-white history all of the time. Thankfully, that practice has slowly come to an end, but now we're getting the exact opposite, as if that's any better. If a film is set in medieval China, leave the white people out of it. If it is set in medieval Europe, leave the Chinese out of it. Not rocket science, this.
@@browngirlinaclownworld2077 I'm completely fine with someone playing a role of a group they're not from, as long as it doesn't interfere with suspension of disbelief. If they can effectively make a white person look asian, and that fits the part, political correctness be damned. They're actors; let them act. I had no problem with Dwayne Johnson playing Hercules, even though he's half-Black and half-Samoan. He was able to look the part, and that's what's important. We don't expect actors to actually be astronauts or explorers or murderers. It shouldn't matter if they have the exact genetics. The problem comes in when they don't look the part. Don't put Paul Reubens in a role where he's supposed to be Arnold Schwarzenneger. Yeah, they're both white, but he doesn't fit the part.
I felt somewhat that way about Morgan Freeman as Azeem in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves. I think he's an outstanding actor, and did a great job in the movie, but the Moors in Jerusalem were not sub-Saharan African. Even so, I felt they at least did a decent job of justifying the presence of a non-Anglo in England at the time.
@@throatwobblermangrove8510 Good point with regards to Azeem being miscast. The Moors would have looked more like Rami Malek than Morgan Freeman or Jamie Foxx. Why is THAT not a problem for people? There is FAR more representation of African Americans in Hollywood than there are Arabs or other Middle Eastern ethnic groups. The main narrative about why 'whitewashing' is bad is that it denies perfectly good non-white actors/actresses roles they could easily fill in a film industry where non-whites aren't exactly given the spiciest of roles in the first place. And I agree with this. But when you place a Sub-Saharan African in a role as a Moor or Ancient Egyptian Pharaoh or an Ottoman soldier, aren't you doing the same thing to Arab/Persian/Turkish/Armenian actors/actresses?
@@browngirlinaclownworld2077 Of course, Rami is a good case in himself, since he's Egyptian, and played Freddie Mercury, who has Indian descent. Again, he fit the role, even though he's not the "correct" ethnicity. I see whitewashing as less of an issue now because of the huge backlash against it. When it was most prevalent, there were fewer non-white actors who would draw an audience, and without an audience you have a bomb. If we could just edge away from this idea that an actor's lineage is more important that his or her fitness for the role, I think we'd get much better movies.
and jayme foxx is speaking American style English at this time period😑
ROBIN HOOD is TIMELESS, always was a BADASS & does not need introducing to a new generation as they already know who & what he is. PATHETIC.
Don't forget Diversity John.
They just can't stop rewriting history and remaking classics updated with all the crap of our time. It's not enough for them to make up new stories and movies, there can't be *anything* left untouched if it doesn't fit todays norms and includes each and everyone.
Cuckian - Of course not. The Left needs to destroy history, culture, and identity itself for their insane ideology to have any hope of taking root among the population.
Christopher White - Erasing mythology is functionally little different than erasing history.
You want a real fantasy? It’s the Marxism you believe in.
@@gabesteinberg6244 talking about insane ideology, how about making a comment about a crappy robin hood movie into a political attack against people you disagree with
Just make a simple Robinhood story. Something that tells about a long lost but interesting past. Then you can branch out a little.
like assassins creed
Robin and Marian (1976) great movie.
Put interesting and cool twists on an old, old tale? Heavens, no! Let's buy a generic action movie script and scribble Robin Hood in all of the blanks!
This is surreal.
The trailer itself was so bad i immediately lost interest. Only watching this vid to see how shit it was without actually viewing it
Clockworklemon yeah it’s like a knights tale trying to be wanted with some gta in there lol
2010 version with Russell crow was way better. I'm staying far away from this one. Far away.
I love Robin Hood. I have found *something* to enjoy in virtually every version I have seen (personal favourite: Robin of Sherwood starring Michael Praed), but the first tie I saw a trailer for this, I wanted to rip my eyes out, and found myself wishing that something would happen to somehow prevent it from being released. I instantly took it as an insult to everything I love about the character and the stories.
Ah, Judi Trott ...
@@Jehannum2000 yeesss... At the time, I was a teenager and while I found her attractive, I only realized how wonderful she was after I grew up a bit.
I just don't understand why anyone thought that this was a good idea. Anyone on the street could have told you that no one would want to see this.
They literally could have just walked outside and asked ten random people. 0 would have said it was a smart idea.
obviously hollywood career people wouldn't be caught dead talking to anyone outside that bubble
Little John got one hell of a tan
I have to say the Costner version is my favorite. I mean, really it was incredibly dark. His Dad hanging in the gibbet, Duncan's eyes burned out, etc. But it *WAS* fun. Alan Rickman (may he fly with the angels), and Morgan Freeman were amazing in it. Well, that and we got the tasty cameo of Sir Sean Connery as the Lionheart. I don't know *WHAT* these people were doing with this current film. I have to quit asking about this kind of thing saying , "How much more stupid could it be?" , they seem to be taking it as a challenge.
Haha, my guy is losing his hair faster than he's putting out quality content
The funny thing is that you could theoretically make a Robin Hood film that isn't about stealing from the rich to give to the poor, if you use the 14th century Rhymes of Robin Hood as a source material. In those Robin Hood is distinctly less heroic, and presents several interesting points of anti-clerical zeitgeist of medieval England. There is evidence of the clergy looking down on Robin Hood games, which took place on Sunday. There is the literary figure Sloathe, who doesn't know the Bible very well despite being a monk, but knows the rhymes very well, which is meant to be a dig at his character, given that the rhymes are recited in taverns and inns across the country at the time. There are parts of the rhymes which are outright hostile immoralities, such as Little John and Friar Tuck ambushing a monk who is going to alert the authorities to Robin Hood's presence, cutting his head off and burying him by the side of the road. There are stories of him restoring a dispossessed knight to his fief, which fits the 'steal from the rich give to the poor' narrative so loosely as to contradict it. And of course, there are the real histories of outlaws like the Folville gang, one member of which was pulled screaming out of a cloister an decapitated. You could do all of this and legitimately subvert the common tropes associated with the character, as they are in fact later submissions. And you could do all of it without treating the audience like absolute fucking idiots.
Another great video, by the way.
The folklore of Robin Hood of course never had a 'message' per se. It is an ambiguous storm of interests and influences, like all genuine folklore.
Robin Hood is really about restoring to people what was stolen from them by illegitimate authority that acted against law and tradition, hence restoring a knight to his fief.
@@derrickbonsell But how?
The folktale is ambiguous on that point.
You have dark relentless Robin Hoods and Robin Hoods of absolute enlightened virtue.
A Black Little John!? I'm fed up with race bending!
@RealBloppy To be fair, Hollywood has done quite a bit of forcing white people into non-white history in the past.
Vatsala काली Jhaveri, that was back when the population of America was 98% white. That's all they had.
Now, Blacks make up like 13% of the population but people scream their head off when blacks aren't represented as 50% in media.
It's different and don't pretend like it's the same.
@@verdanthyborian2322 Plus, even when it was done, there was normally some effort to make the white actor look the part, although now reviled because of its "racism", like when Christopher Lee was made up to look asian for Castle of Fu Manchu, or Alec Guinness and Anthony Quinn in Lawrence of Arabia. Although there has been a strange tendency to give a British accent to many of these non-British characters.
@@verdanthyborian2322 No, there have been more recent cases. And it wasn't that 'that was all they had', it's that they wanted big names that put asses in seats, and minorities were not doing that at the time because they were largely excluded from film altogether unless they were playing villains or comedic relief characters.
I actually agree that it's patently absurd when people complain about the lack of 'diversity' in films about, say, 18th century Europe. But when you say 'people', let's be clear, the 'people' that 'scream their heads off' about this sort of thing make up about 0.00000001% of the movie-going audience. Social media has amplified the voices of the lunatic fringe. It is not an indicator of where the majority of Americans are at. The majority of Americans, like me, don't give a flying flipping fuck about how much our ethnic group is portrayed on film. I can relate to Veronica Sawyer despite not being Jewish or white.
This movie is fiction.
I want to see a modern day adaptation of Robin Hood where our protagonist is an activist who tries to persuade the government to make taxation more progressive.
The reverse Robin Hood where the government steals from everyone.
Ooooohhh! A classic tale of derring do retold as preachy lefty-prog propaganda. Personally I'd rather have an ass-cancer riddled hippopotamus shit into my mouth from a hot air balloon
Finally got around to watching this film... And despite the trailer I was not expecting it to be quite such an anarchist black block propaganda piece. Right down to the antifa and anarchist flags being referenced in the trailer.
Corporate backed, written by committee to be safe, media trying to appeal to the edgy teen demographic is always garenteed to be a cringe fest.
Ah one of those movies no one really asked for doesn't do good. Wonder what happened...
😂
Red Letter Media's 'Ben Hurt' video comes to mind.
Beating a dead donkey.
I've seen a lot of movies with the whole 'jumping off the the wall in a fight' thing, and it has never actually served a purpose other than being put in the film simply because one of the writers got stoned, saw it in one of the other movies he was watching to not-so-subtly get 'inspiration' from and thought that it would look cool in their dumpster fire, too...
They must've been on some good shit because they even contacted a guy who does these retarded tricks while shooting a baby bow for a living to help with the "stunts"
It's cause they think they can mimic Jackie Chan's old films but they don't realise that You can't just duplicate the style of one of the greatest Martial arts actors/stuntman off all time while ignoring how creatively he uses tactics like that to drive his fight scenes.. Off to watch Wheels On Meals
I'm convinced that this movie doesn't exist and you made it up. I've never heard of this film.
Politically correct Robin Hood bombed. Who would have guessed? Lucky all female Ghostbusters was a blockbuster.
The new Ghostbuster flopped.
John Smith - That’s the joke.
Sound like another case of "Get Woke, Go Broke."
Uh, no. This one is a more classic problem of thinking you can shine shit up enough to make people think it's gold. That goes WELL beyond the politics you people love to bring up.
@@johnathonhaney8291 What do you mean "you people"....
@@keegobricks9734 What did it sound like? In case you missed the point, I'll just spell out: anti-SJW bullshit which has been the ongoing excuse for why film mediocrity has existed for the last two years. Having seen similar quality films through the three decades before that, I know this sort of ineptitude goes well beyond your pity party politics.
@@johnathonhaney8291 anti-SJW is literally anti-pity-party!
@@johnathonhaney8291 "Anti-SJW". You mean normal?
They had an opportunity to tell the Robin Hood myth in a dystopian, post-apocalyptic future, where society went in to a corporate/fascist system. That way it could feel different & familiar at the same time, all the while resonating with today's audiences & the wealth gap we currently live in, like all good sci-fi & fantasy should. And that way, they could've make it feel hip & fun.
Or a contemporary, real-world scenario, perhaps one set during the George W. Bush presidency, with a War in Iraq hero returning home and fighting the corrupt local sheriff; kind of Rambo/Robin Hood mashup.
@@wblake1 that kinda reminds me of the real world Battle of Athens, Georgia where WW2 vets staged a coup against the corrupt local government.
so kinda Mr.Robot?
@@MattM16 - Maybe a little more Mad Max-ian than Mister Robot.
@@wblake1 - Problem is Rambo is more of a victim of the system than Robin Hood, who is a hero to the people, the working poor & the blue collar worker. Not sure how compatible those two archetypes are. But yeah, that could work too. :)
Maybe next time hollywood should try, an old west 1800’s, where cowboys use machineguns, sniper rifle, RPG, with bullet time effects and wear an all black leather costume and sunglasses. 😂
😂🤣😂
WE WUZ ANGLOS
This isn’t something the average person would pick up on necessarily, but to and archer, the archery in this film is complete bollocks.
I’m English, I love archery and historical setting. This should have been an ideal film for me.
They fucked up every single facet of this movie.
PSA: If you haven't seen the 1938 film 'The Adventures of Robin Hood', please do; it's genuinely brilliant. (And it's in color, for those of you who don't like old films because they're black and white.)
Thanks for the recommendation, brother
Proud owner of the DVD copy, which includes a fascinating documentary on the development and implementation of Technicolor. Still a great film in its own right, as you say!
I'm still a huge fan of Prince of thieves, it's my favourite adaptation of robin hood even if not entirely accurate
Yeah, that's still the best. Errol is GREAT in the role.
@Adrijana Radosevic
Rickman is always awesome!
I love this nugget: He steals from the rich ? WTF !?! From whom should you still from ? The poor ?
The poor have less, but they are much more abundant, so it cancels out.
I personally love it when these Hollywood big wigs insist on SJWing every movie they put their gluttonous hands on instead of producing an awesome film, because to watch it flop horribly and hear that these greedy bastards lost millions in a bullshit re-do instead of investing in an original flick puts a smile on my face😀
RIP Robin Hood 2018...
Right next to Solo...
So what exactly is "sjw-ing"? I have seen people throw "sjw" left and right and no one seems to have a concrete definition.
Evil cannot create, it only corrupts.
Did anyone even know this movie was happening?
If you watch sports in America it was hard to avoid
This is the first I've heard of it.
I saw the trailer a couple of times back around the end of October, and honestly when it first came on I thought they were doing a movie adaption of an Assassin's Creed video game.
I only knew because i follow Tim Minchin on Facebook. No wonder he moved back to Australia
I saw literally one ad amd went "...what?"
So I guess animated Robin Hood is still best Robin Hood.
Next to Mel Brook's Robin Hood: Men in Tights.
Well the way Disney is going, we're going to eventually get that Robin Hood and a Disney King Arthur film at some point in the future.
You mean the one with the animals?
@@NelsonStJames Isn't there a King Arthur film by Disney already? With Clive Owen?
@@DrGregoryHouseIT Yeah the 2004 version.
The Disney animated version is my favorite. Another contemporary revisitation, and it still holds up because the creators weren’t talentless hacks. 🐾
The best Robin Hood had Dave Chappelle and Rebok Pumps.
We are men
Men in tights
We roam around looking for fights
Tight tights.
We're men, MANLY MEN!
We may look like pansies
But don’t get us wrong, or we will put out your lights *pow*
Faigellas?
"I can't understand what went so horribly wrong!" wails the EP. "We recorded _ALL_ the sound!" 😭
Wait, which bad guy is trump?
I get the impression, judging by the style of the setting, that they wanted to make a Thief movie... then chickened out.
"Make Robin Hood more of a Bad-ass character?" Perhaps you missed the prior century of movies about Robin Hood (with the possible exception of Men in Tights) but ROBIN HOOD HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BADASSED CHARACTER! Go watch Errol Flynn, ya twits! Sean freaking Connery. Witless.
I like how the whole "rob from the rich, give to the poor" thing and the Saxon-Norman political angle have distracted almost everyone from the fact that Robin Hood was originally just a bandit who lived in the woods, and he was the hero of the story because the kind of people who read back then thought that outlaws were cool. It probably helped that many bandits were ex-knights, and outlawry was something that prominent lords might have briefly experienced themselves.
Incidentally, even though it might not apply to this movie, it's hilarious to me that someone with the name "Robin", which is a French diminutive of Robert (also French), is commonly portrayed as a native Anglo-Saxon lord who fights against the tyranny of "Normans", i.e. the French.
Well, he probably did "give it back" in that they would ride into town and spend the money
@@mitchellhorton9382
Yeah
Think how many whores he bought
Trickle down economics at its finest
The kind of people that read back then thought outlaws were cool? You mean like Billy the Kid, or the Mafia in the modern times? People worship outlaws to this day. It has always been that way. That said, this film was an absolute insult.
@@girlspooptoo8567 Well trickle down is better than nothing
Great analysis, also, Disney's cartoon version now feels (to me at least) like Citizen Kane compared to this one
An it features zero northern accents - but game of thrones does, an thats not historical !
Well I mean it's Nottingham
It’s like they watched The CW’s Arrow, found out the main character is an homage to Robin Hood, and then tried to reverse engineer the story from there.
This was one of those movies that my father, brother and I stopped in to see just for lack of anything else. We regretted it.
My dad wanted to see this, but my brother and I resisted
So you are saying that it is not worth seeing _for free?_
Robin Hood and the Magic Negro didn't work again?
Prince Of Theives did it much better!
@@evertonporter7887 not much better.....
novideosarehere We wuz knights an shit...
@@otxoawolf9054 Yes, Prince of Thieves did it MUCH better. Morgan Freeman is that much better actor in the role (and probably in every role) Jamie Foxx is utterly miscasted in this movie. Its not his fault,. He can be great in the right movie but here he doesnt stand a chance. He looks as out of place as Michael B Jordan did in Fant4stic
you owe me for a new shirt...I just spit my coffee all over mine when I read your post...
Kevin Costner already did it better and Arrow Flynn before that.
Errol Flynn
At least the costume designers had a sense of humour.
Modern day Robin Hood is basically Green Arrow.
It'll turn out that Hawkeye from the Avengers is actually a direct descendant of Robin Hood😁.
@Clark Savage Jr. Hawkeye: The First Avenger
Forget what you know... Leonardo Decaprio isn't all he's cracked up to be.
Actually I do feel he's a bit overrated lol
I respectfully disagree. He's portrayed many iconic characters and has given many oscar worthy performances. Even in a supporting role he steals the show. (Django Unchained)
Patrick Todd point being is just because his name is Leonardo DiCaprio doesn’t mean it’s guaranteed to be good. He’s a quality actor, yes, but that doesn’t mean he’s a quality producer just because he’s famous.
A classic case of going with what they think was cool and forgetting the 1000's of years of story telling history which makes it unique and original and meaningful.
‘A product that was shat out.’ Sir I salute you. Excellent, it should have made it onto the poster.
I'd love a Maid Marian movie, loved that show as a kid!
Except in today's climate I wouldn't trust them to make it. Looking forward to ''strong, empowered, needs no man action girl number 8493838''.
@@clearspira Maid Marion and her merry band of Soyboys hoping for a pity fuck?
heheheheheheheheheheheheheh!
I think Larry might actually be some kind of demi-god, he's everywhere on RUclips
I loved that show too but can you imagine what modern day hollywood would do with it? Not the time for that I think
They could have done a movie about the Muslim cultural enrichment of France in the 8th century, I mean the invasion of France. We've seen hundreds of Robin Hood movies, why not something a little more realistic that directly parallels modern events.
jjaarr3208 because most people don’t know about those events. Idk what your talking about but it also depends on how stuff is marketed.
No offense here guys, but why us it that RUclips has such a terrible time detecting sarcasm? My comment is aimed specifically at the content creator's opening statement about the invaision of Iraq and is facetious not literal. I'm not going to bother explaining why.
because you cant show the Religion of Peace in anything but a positive light. Revealing to the historically illiterate that muslims were invading europe *centuries* before the first crusade, well that just goes against the approved groupthink.
You're right. A good movie about the 1400 years of Muslim invasion of Europe, the lost on 95% of Spain, the struggle of Vlad Teppes and why Europeans wouldn't live close to the Mediterranean shore for hundreds of years for fear of Muslim slavers.
That sad fact that Robin Hood men in tights is still the most accurate retelling of the Robin Hood story!
It seems that every time a Robin Hood movie gets released, an angel loses its wings.
"Given Robin Hood fans..." WTF? Did they think that there's a specific group of people who like the story of Robin Hood? Like: "Oh, the people who liked that Kevin Costner movie" or "The people who liked the Disney movie" or "People of the XX to XX age group"? Are they aware that Robin Hood stories have been around since the 11th Century?.. And that it's been popular for so long because "taking from the rich and giving to the poor" is a recurrent theme in History? They didn't??? ... well... that explains a lot.