How Hideo Nomo's Fake Retirement Changed Baseball Forever

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  • Опубликовано: 2 ноя 2024

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  • @joelvalles5396
    @joelvalles5396 2 года назад +156

    I caught bullpens for both Nomo and Irabu years back in Alhambra California, when I was in High school. Im still kicking myself I didn't get a picture with either of them. RIP Hideki Irabu

    • @trevorcarey3997
      @trevorcarey3997 2 года назад +8

      I want a photo 📷 with you for the man who caught Nomo and Irabu in the bullpen and a autogragh.

    • @elcee3292
      @elcee3292 2 года назад +3

      @@trevorcarey3997 😂😂for real. Probably took 10 minutes to catch 5 pitches

    • @therealbs2000
      @therealbs2000 2 года назад +3

      Irabu lived in the area

    • @joelvalles5396
      @joelvalles5396 2 года назад

      @@therealbs2000 I believe so, Don Nomura lives in SoCal. Irabu actually committed suicide in Orange County, very sad.

  • @wasabichips933
    @wasabichips933 2 года назад +49

    As a fellow Japanese often frustrated by our country's rigid culture, Nomo is my hero. He epitomizes the DGAF attitude that so many Japanese people lack. What an absolute G.

  • @rolmodel12.
    @rolmodel12. 2 года назад +72

    Nomo was an "all or nothing" kind of player. When he was on, he was electric: nearly unhittable (as shown by his two no-hitters). And his forkball was one of the most effective pitches in the game, in the late 90's. Up there with the like's of Randy Johnson's rising fastball, or slider; Greg Maddux's circle-change; Pedro Martinez's cutter, etc. It was that good.
    But, when he was off, he struggled with control. He would be all over the place, and when he could locate in those games: that forkball didn't break and his fastball had little movement. In other words, he would put men on, then got crushed.
    His high number of strikeouts and high amount of walks, resulted in high pitch counts. Paired with his overuse in Japan, he began to experience a dead arm and multiple nagging ailments, fairly early in his MLB career. Who knows how he would've done, if his career wasn't derailed by injury and inconsistencies?
    Some quick facts about Nomo's storied MLB career:
    ¤ Other than the Dodgers (two stints, totalling 5 years), Nomo played on one-and-done contracts; pitching for six teams in six season.
    ¤ Both of his no-hitters were unique, even for a no-no. He is the only player to throw one at Coors Field, becoming the first Japanese born player to do so. And the other (as a memeber of the Red Sox) against the Orioles, was his first start of the season, and his first for Boston. It is also the earliest day, ever, in a season for a player to pitch a no-hitter (April 4th). And was the first ever thrown in Camden Yards.
    ¤ Besides leading the league in strikeouts twice, and shutouts once. He has also led the league in walks and wild pitches in seperate seasons.
    ¤ In 2004, his 8.25 ERA was the highest ever allowed by a pitcher with at least 15 decisions (4-11, in 18 starts).
    ¤ There was a three year gap (in which he didn't play) between his last start (2005) and his last appearance: appearing in 3 games as a reliever in 2008, for Kansas City.
    Everything about Hideo was different: his story, his delivery, his statistical career... he epitomizes why I love the lore of this game so much.

    • @rolmodel12.
      @rolmodel12. 2 года назад +1

      @down bad dav yeah, I meant to write: Pedro Martinez's changeup, Mariano Rivera's cutter, etc...
      Good call.

    • @yiguangshi8722
      @yiguangshi8722 2 года назад +2

      Hideo Nomo threw lots of "wild pitches" because of his nasty fork ball. Not only do batters have problems with it, catchers also have problem. I would argue many of those wild pitches really should be pass balls.
      One disadvantage that Nomo had was Dodger's top catcher, Mike Piazza, was in the line-up for his bat and was mediocre defensively. To handle Nomo's nasty fork ball, Dodgers often benched Piazza when Nomo pitches, taking away a big bat out of the line-up. Nomo might have won more games had Piazza been in the line-up to give him more run support.

  • @tacorell4942
    @tacorell4942 2 года назад +69

    i am no where near flaccid now that you've uploaded

    • @DragonaAuntstar
      @DragonaAuntstar 2 года назад +3

      W-wow…

    • @enddhabzen9278
      @enddhabzen9278 2 года назад +4

      LOL I was in middle of drinking something when I read that n spit it all over my phone

    • @SaltyChip
      @SaltyChip 2 года назад

      Dude! I got hard too!!

    • @Sandickadino
      @Sandickadino 2 года назад +4

      Yea ya brothas are bricked up over eeeee

    • @YoshiClapz
      @YoshiClapz 2 года назад +4

      bro 💀

  • @jacksonpowers3947
    @jacksonpowers3947 2 года назад +14

    This is probably my favorite butterfly effect video you’ve made yet. This ballsy decision changed baseball forever and gave us great talents from the npb the ability to play in the mlb and give us many memories from many Japanese born players which might not have been able to happen without the courageousness of hideo and his agent.

  • @justinreinhart5214
    @justinreinhart5214 2 года назад +18

    As a Mariners fan, seeing the legacy that allowed Ichiro to arrive to MLB is incredible. Without Nomo we wouldn't have some of the best players to play the game.

    • @J.C...
      @J.C... 2 года назад

      Right. I'm glad I got to see Ichiro and Junior playing together in 2009. One of the greatest nights of my life. Pudge Rodriguez was playing and a couple of other future HOF'er, as well.

  • @BaseballisEverything
    @BaseballisEverything 2 года назад +21

    I would never have known this if It wasn't for this video, Crazy something so small could make a HUGE Change!

  • @christopherkimber7679
    @christopherkimber7679 2 года назад +10

    I literally was just thinking about Nomo on Friday. Thinking about all the great Japanese players to come through the mlb. My grandmother is from Okinawa, so I understand a little bit about the Japanese culture. It’s their way of life, and I respect it. But I hate that nomo is looked down upon in Japan. I was a kid when he came to the majors. I remember how much fun it was to watch him and his quirky windup. All my friends and I would imitate him in little league or in the backyard. The man will always be a legend to me. And to me, his windup is still the greatest by far. Such a gracefully funky enigma. Lol. And I love it.

  • @enddhabzen9278
    @enddhabzen9278 2 года назад +8

    SRS love all your videos ! Excited Everytime I see you drop a new one keep it up!

  • @oriolephan
    @oriolephan Год назад +1

    Not to mention the rise in salaries in the NPB that made the buffalos merge with the blue wave and made a team in Sendai.

  • @jcdova29
    @jcdova29 2 года назад +2

    Dude I loved your video. I was in Japan in 1995 so I got to see the joy from Japanese people when they say my Dodgers hat. I didn’t get to see Nomo pitch until the 1996 season. As a Dodgers fan I loved Nomo. He was the real deal.

    • @miraeja
      @miraeja 2 года назад

      Was in Seoul in 95. We all watched with intense support as well

  • @baronvg
    @baronvg 2 года назад +1

    Growing up in LA and watching Nomo arrive as a HUGE deal. I wish I could’ve understood the whole situation better to appreciate it more but either way, it was fun watching the Dodgers back in the mid 90s. And here it is, over 25 years later and the impact that we all knew he’d have.

  • @Genjo_N_Mojave
    @Genjo_N_Mojave 2 года назад +4

    *At Nomo's first game in Dodger Stadium, the amount of camera's flashing was unlike anything I had ever seen. The amount of Japanese Fans at the Stadium that night were at an all time high, with 50 percent of ticket holders having a camera around their neck. It was like being inside of a Roman candle!*

  • @joonlee2031
    @joonlee2031 10 месяцев назад +2

    Nomo doesnt get the respect and credit he deserves. He was a true Maverick who went against the establishment, NPB. He laid his future and reputation on the line coming to MLB.
    If he failed, he wouldve embarrassed not only himself an his family but shamed the entire country of Japan. His home country wouldve shunned him and probably would've been blacklisted in NPB. No Japnese players would follow Nomo to mlb.
    This man had to deal with not only rookie nerves but new country, new language, new food, and the judgement and honor of an entire country. He also had the pride of Asians on the table. This man had more weight on his shoulders than most men. This guy needs a special place in MLB history.

  • @ajamusic7322
    @ajamusic7322 2 года назад +2

    Butterfly effect idea: the Yankees trading JT Snow for Jim Abbott led to both the Rise and Fall of their dynasty.
    What I got so far: the 92 trade that set in motion the team building to win their world series championships, sent Snow to the Angels, who later traded him to SF, setting in motion building of their world series team that knocked the Yankees out of the ALDS in 2002. In 2003 the Yankees lost the World Series to the Marlins, who got their after knocking out the Giants in the NLDS with a series ending tag at the plate. The runner tagged out was JT Snow.
    If you can figure out how the trade affected their World Series wins and their 2001 WS loss to AZ, it should make for a wild butterfly effect.

  • @gardenboydon
    @gardenboydon 2 года назад +1

    Fantastic video!! This is the best one yall done for this series!

  • @mpaulm
    @mpaulm 2 года назад +17

    I love how the Dodgers paved the way for Negro league players, Mexican born players, and Japanese players. Amazing history.👌

    • @joooooe88
      @joooooe88 2 года назад +2

      and South Korean players (chan ho park)

    • @nolp19
      @nolp19 2 года назад +2

      Don't forget they also paved Mexican neighborhoods

  • @holdenolwine4547
    @holdenolwine4547 2 года назад +2

    Another one to do is how Oscar Taveras' death inclined the cardinals to trade for Jason Heyward from the Braves. They gave up Shelby Miller, who was then flipped for Dansby Swanson from the Diamondbacks. Taveras' Passing derailed the cardinals outfield for a few years which also made them give up Zac Gallen and Sandy Alcantara. The marlins then flipped Gallen for Jazz Chisholm from the diamondbacks. In short, Oscar Taveras' Death ruptured the cardinals outfield for the next 5 years, and caused many all stars to switch teams through trades.

  • @trevorcarey3997
    @trevorcarey3997 2 года назад +5

    ⚾️htani is on track to match Nomo's great rookie year with 13 Wins and 200 Ks as a pitcher and also could have over 30 HRs and 100 RBIs as a hitter

  • @mxcokoko
    @mxcokoko 2 года назад +2

    Something I've thought about but not fully figured out how the dots connect was how the White Sox losing the 2008 ALDS lead the Rays to losing Blake Snell (and potentially a World Series title)
    - James Shield's rookie year was in 2008, and one of his major victories was defeating the Sox in I believe Game 2 of the ALDS
    - White Sox obtain Tatis Jr.
    - Padres get James Shield via FA
    - Sox trade for James Shield (the Tatis Trade)
    - Padres need an SP, and so get Snell for prospects

  • @omariparker3769
    @omariparker3769 2 года назад +1

    Great video, brotha. Took me back to being a Dodger fan in the 90s. We friggin loved him and he was part of the 5-nation rotation in which we took pride. A point in trivia.. Who were the other cats in the 5-nation rotation? Could be a great video brotha!

  • @BroadswordMedia
    @BroadswordMedia 2 года назад +1

    It's been a long while since I've watched videos from this channel but that's mostly because I don't always log on to the channel on commenting from right here. I have a primary Channel I typically use a lot more, but anyways I've noticed a great increase in video quality and how professional looks. Not that the videos were ever bad by any means they were still good before but the fact that I'm noticing it that's quite a step forward for you guys

  • @elcee3292
    @elcee3292 2 года назад +2

    Great era for baseball. Ichiro and had a similar effect on baseball as Tiger had on golf.

  • @jamesesterline
    @jamesesterline 2 года назад +12

    If the Hall of Fame took foreign league stats into account, Nomo would absolutely be in the Hall. Also, I'd like to see videos on the following players:
    Zach Duke
    Jason Kendall
    Carlos Pena
    Francisco Rodriguez
    Jim Eisenreich
    Roy Oswalt
    Mark Prior
    Darin Erstad

    • @derkaiserzen
      @derkaiserzen 2 года назад +6

      they made a defunct Negro League stats official just couple years ago..
      isn't it ironic that they omitted "foreign league"..
      If they officially acknowledge NPB stats, Ichiro would easily be the the greatest hitters ever

    • @rolmodel12.
      @rolmodel12. 2 года назад +1

      Nice list!

    • @DOMSHOMIT
      @DOMSHOMIT 2 года назад +2

      Well…it’s the MLB hall of fame

    • @derkaiserzen
      @derkaiserzen 2 года назад +2

      @@DOMSHOMIT actually it's not.
      it's National Baseball Hall of Fame.
      It's like Hockey Hall of Fame in Toronto that not specifically for NHL player, they acknowledge the International contribution too

    • @Bobobo-bo-bo-bobobo
      @Bobobo-bo-bo-bobobo 2 года назад

      @@derkaiserzen or how the NBA Hall of Fame also counts ABA stats too

  • @adam1st1984
    @adam1st1984 2 года назад

    best times of my life...those years...thanks for bringing back the memories

  • @knifejail
    @knifejail 9 месяцев назад

    Nomo was the true pioneer. I hope he will become a MLB HOF one day.

  • @J.C...
    @J.C... 2 года назад +1

    I'm so, glad I got to see Hideo Nomo change MLB. 🙏🙏🙏

  • @joshuapatrick682
    @joshuapatrick682 2 года назад +1

    1:00 Matsui doing bat flips before they were the cool Thing to do…

  • @Skye-tb7oq
    @Skye-tb7oq Год назад +1

    Damn offering pay cut to your ace 😅

  • @SaltyChip
    @SaltyChip 2 года назад +1

    It’s strange to watch any retrospective video on a subject that I already know the answers because I lived while this happened and read about it in the news as it happened.

  • @Tykoon22
    @Tykoon22 2 года назад +1

    I think the 1997 comedy classic Liar Liar said it best, ‘I’ll be Nomo, you can be Jose Canseco!’
    One of the best and most underrated Jim Carrey movies of all time, not to mention a personal favorite of mine. It also makes me think something could be done with butterfly effects and baseball movies? Just a thought.

  • @josephmatthews7698
    @josephmatthews7698 Год назад

    Nomo is my favorite pitcher of all time. Inspired me to expand my pitching arsenal and experiment with my release.

  • @moisestorres9618
    @moisestorres9618 Месяц назад

    11:04 Haha, I was 17 and got myself a Nike Air Nomo Max back in the day. Those shoes were cool.

  • @joshuapatrick682
    @joshuapatrick682 2 года назад +2

    Hasegawa didn’t tell Nomo he wouldn’t make it, he said thier teammates in NPB told them that. Did you even read the article?

    • @MeneTekelUpharsin
      @MeneTekelUpharsin 7 месяцев назад

      I was surprised to hear that because Hasegawa seems like a nice guy and good teammate.

  • @binxboi7156
    @binxboi7156 2 года назад +1

    11:20 thank you to the Beastie Boys for teaching me who Sadaharu Oh was

  • @FerdinandCesarano
    @FerdinandCesarano 2 года назад

    0:55 - "This **raises** the question."

  • @J.C...
    @J.C... Год назад

    Hard to believe this was 27/28 years ago. It feels like it was just a few years ago that I watched Hideo Nomo play for the Dodgers.

  • @dontknowdocare
    @dontknowdocare 2 года назад +3

    Great video, but no mention of the Tazawa rule? That was a huge factor in keeping young Japanese players away from the majors. Thankfully it's abolished now. Might be an interesting video topic.

    • @theogeitondasamphilochos5630
      @theogeitondasamphilochos5630 2 года назад +1

      Yeah, as a Japanese baseball enthusiasts, I also want Tazawa rule butterfly effect video. Tazawa rule debacle is another incident about exploiting loophole of agreement between MLB and NPB, which would bring another interesting topic on here...

  • @patrickwerner4723
    @patrickwerner4723 2 года назад

    Brewers trading for CC sabbath is both leading to Milwaukee being a current contender and Cleveland’s WS appearance

  • @ST-hc6ux
    @ST-hc6ux 2 года назад

    I remember as a kid everybody was Imitating his wind up… like shooting out Kobe when throw something in the trash of Sheffield and Griffey’s batting swing

  • @SilverFox_69
    @SilverFox_69 2 года назад +4

    I’m still waiting for a Hideo Nomo MLB the show no hitter at Coors field card.

  • @bjjace1
    @bjjace1 Год назад

    This was great

  • @ripharambe4796
    @ripharambe4796 2 года назад +1

    let’s go SRS 🔥

  • @bigjared8946
    @bigjared8946 2 года назад +2

    I almost forgot Irabu. Never forget the fat toad.

  • @WallStreet06
    @WallStreet06 Год назад

    It was really fun to watch him pitch. Japan needs to get their shit together. You are breaking kids.

  • @michaelbolin9880
    @michaelbolin9880 2 года назад

    Please butterfly effect the tulo rockies drama that butterfly effected our star players to this day! Would love it with all the Rockies have lost since then like Nolan Dj Dahl gray ect.!

  • @OH_MY_DOGGG
    @OH_MY_DOGGG 2 года назад +1

    Nomo Tears
    -Ozzie Ozzborn..

    • @teen_laqueefa
      @teen_laqueefa 2 года назад

      Hit the road jack
      And don't ya come back
      Nomo
      Nomo
      Nomo
      Nomo

  • @darwinwins
    @darwinwins 2 года назад

    i believe he's also the only pitcher to have tossed a no-hitter at camden yards

  • @jinzo530
    @jinzo530 2 года назад +1

    The Nankai logo is half real half fake lol
    The actual bird was used as their logo. The Oakland A’s motif is fake.
    The person who posted on twitter said “I purposely mocked it to look like the MLB Oakland A’s. Because they both have green as a common trait.”
    So there you go.

  • @ruiming3817
    @ruiming3817 2 года назад

    What's the link to the outro beat I cant find it

  • @lucasborja3797
    @lucasborja3797 2 года назад +3

    This is amazing, please more international baseball videos, america needs to know the history and intricacies of other cultures playing baseball, especially asian baseball.

    • @Milk382011
      @Milk382011 2 года назад

      Nah

    • @lucasborja3797
      @lucasborja3797 2 года назад

      @@Milk382011 racist

    • @teen_laqueefa
      @teen_laqueefa 2 года назад

      I found out why Japanese porn be censored cause that poonani is like drugs

  • @I_IS_A_SPOON
    @I_IS_A_SPOON 2 года назад

    How Mike Tauchman robbing Pujols of a walk off homerun in May got the Giants the NL west division title by 1 game in 2021

  • @Runnerdude10000
    @Runnerdude10000 2 года назад

    Hell yeah! Brewers legend, Hideo Nomo!

    • @StarkRavingSports
      @StarkRavingSports  2 года назад +1

      Hideo Nomo was a legend for every last team he ever played for

  • @kevind7708
    @kevind7708 2 года назад

    NPB is still in the Pliocene. Believe me, the people which arranged Nomo's ruckus is still around the ballgame there.

    • @theogeitondasamphilochos5630
      @theogeitondasamphilochos5630 2 года назад +1

      "Pliocene" is kinda overestimate imo. I'd rather says NPB is just "different" from MLB. Yes, top players are still underpaid compared to MLB standard, and there are still many old mean f**kers still around. However NPB has its own virtues compared to MLB. For example NPB has much better treatment standard of players in minor league, and nurturing young players in general. Also don't remember there are now much more vocal supporters in NPB to young talented players aspiring MLB career. One of the best example is Hokkaido Nippon-Ham Fighters and its manager, Hideki Kuriyama to Shohei Ohtani. They offer Ohtani, who then willed to go to MLB, an ambitious deal which would plan his career in NPB into one huge training program nurturing his talent into unprecedented two-way player in MLB level, which basically shaped itself as a mere launching pad for his MLB career. After he signed their contract, the team and manager Kuriyama kept their promise and treated him like a jewel, avoiding any exhaustion, which resulted in no major injury in his NPB career. As a result Ohtani was able to challenge MLB in much younger age with high profile, and the rest is history.

  • @SchenckM1
    @SchenckM1 2 года назад

    Do one on the David wright/ Mike Hampton trade tree

  • @siniister710
    @siniister710 2 года назад

    he was such a stud

  • @Parlimant_Strifey
    @Parlimant_Strifey 2 года назад

    Those NPB GMs needed to start showing their guys the money. Hideo and Alfonso earned those demands. No honor. Sayonara!!

  • @jefffinkbonner9551
    @jefffinkbonner9551 2 года назад

    12:50 Anyone know what stadium that is??

    • @jeffrey6079
      @jeffrey6079 9 месяцев назад

      I think old rangers

  • @ryansack5198
    @ryansack5198 2 года назад +1

    Wait.. that;'s not true.. MLB players never stopped going over to Japan.. just the other way around..

  • @arthurcaron9271
    @arthurcaron9271 Год назад

    If Corey Patterson doesn’t get hurt in 03 does the Bartman Game even happen?

  • @jbj7599
    @jbj7599 2 года назад

    What was different with Kosuke Fukudome

  • @booradley6832
    @booradley6832 Год назад

    I wonder how many modern viewers would have a problem with the comment "Had more of a problem with the language than with opposing batters?"
    I think if it were about a group of Japanese players it would be stereotyping but with Murakami as a very unique individual they may actually know things about him as a person, so I choose to think its not motivated that way. It was also a compliment of his excellent pitching, that even if he spoke fluent English his pitching was still better. I dont know, just curious how other people see it looking backwards.

    • @khaikhuc1432
      @khaikhuc1432 4 месяца назад

      Even if it was about a group of Japanese players who produce well off the boat, I don't see it as stereotyping. Hell, you got to be groomed in a bubble or a bad faith actor to have a problem with that, as Riley Freeman puts it, "astute observation".

  • @teen_laqueefa
    @teen_laqueefa 2 года назад

    9:26 young Joe Burrow

  • @gsy971
    @gsy971 11 месяцев назад

    they need to do a 30 for 30 n this topic

  • @Brandon-sc3rz
    @Brandon-sc3rz 2 года назад

    i wonder what happened in the late 90s to boost attendance

  • @daneanderson7437
    @daneanderson7437 2 года назад

    “Eff you nomo you ***o” is what I was raised on as a Bay Area Giants fan.

  • @detectivejimmymcnulty1676
    @detectivejimmymcnulty1676 2 года назад

    That little sack of crap manager really made him throw 191 pitches in a game?

  • @nagasako7
    @nagasako7 2 года назад

    While Ohtani is modern great. They should make documentary on Nomo and his no hitter

  • @booradley6832
    @booradley6832 Год назад +1

    That pisses me off that they shunned Nomo for wanting to play in the MLB to see how he matched up. "Dishonorable," yeah the Japanese, especially of the 90's, know nothing about dishonorable conduct....
    say, hows coming to terms with those war crimes going? Still denying them? Just checking. This was at a time when most of the people who committed them were still alive.

  • @jacknelson6163
    @jacknelson6163 2 года назад

    If the Cardinals didn't trade for Ozuna they wouldn't have Nolan Arenado...

  • @anthonyandthebigwideworld5653
    @anthonyandthebigwideworld5653 2 года назад

    Corey Seager leaving lead to Freddie Freeman joining the Dodgers

  • @lost9573
    @lost9573 2 года назад +1

    yo

  • @charlieR72
    @charlieR72 2 года назад

    W

  • @nerychristian
    @nerychristian 2 года назад

    Baseball is evil

  • @OH_MY_DOGGG
    @OH_MY_DOGGG 2 года назад

    I remember his no hitter. Whats there to say...i was eating pizza and the game was on the TV....its possible the game was nationally televised if I wad able to watch it in a pizza shop.

  • @Wyland42
    @Wyland42 2 года назад

    I dont get how he didnt get hall of fame.... mostly cus he changed asian baseball

  • @sunsunavery4237
    @sunsunavery4237 2 года назад

    great evidence integration man

  • @gato3656
    @gato3656 2 года назад

    Koo

  • @nomercyinc6783
    @nomercyinc6783 2 года назад

    nomo retiring from the mlb didnt change the mlb in any quantifiable way. coincidence is not butterfly effect

  • @jmnyc2100
    @jmnyc2100 Год назад

    Sadaharu Oh could have played in the MLB and gets his 868 homers 😊